Pamela Has a Big Head-Courtesy of Lex, Agent of Chaos
Pamela Geller, is up to her usual game, objecting to Turkish Prime Minsiter Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s statement that Islamophobia is indeed a crime against humanity.
Fear of Islamic Terrorism and Jihad is a Crime Against Humanity
According to the ummah, islamophobia is a crime against humanity. Hmmmmm. Well, perhaps because humanity has become inhumane and good is evil and evil is good. So fear of jihad is a crime against humanity.
Not surprisingly, Pamela illogically argues that anti-Islamophobia means pro-jihad and pro-terrorism. And so being pro-”Islamophobia” means you’re against those things and it is therefore the common sense approach to Islam. Of course, being against Islamophobia means you’re against intolerance, irrationality, and hatred. But in Pamela’s alternate reality, it means you’re for evil. Islamophobia indisputably exists. In its worst form, it can manifest into a violent movement. What was motivating the murderer of Marwa Sherbini if it was not Islamophobia?
The Runnymede Trust defined eight components of Islamophobia which are widely accepted by racism and xenophobia monitoring organizations. These are:
1.) Islam is seen as a monolithic bloc, static and unresponsive to change.
2.) Islam is seen as separate and ‘other’. It does not have values in common with other cultures, is not affected by them and does not influence them.
3.) Islam is seen as inferior to the West. It is seen as barbaric, irrational, primitive and sexist.
4.) Islam is seen as violent, aggressive, threatening, supportive of terrorism and engaged in a ‘clash of civilisations’.
5.) Islam is seen as a political ideology and is used for political or military advantage.
6.) Criticisms made of the West by Islam are rejected out of hand.
7.) Hostility towards Islam is used to justify discriminatory practices towards Muslims and exclusion of Muslims from mainstream society.
8.) Anti-Muslim hostility is seen as natural or normal.
Consider that this accurate definition of Islamophobia was developed in 1997. Public perceptions of Muslims have only worsened since 9/11 and these eight components are resonating stronger among the public. I used to think that the anti-Muslim/anti-Islam sentiment would have lessened over time when people were able to examine the situation with a clear and open mind. To my surprise, the opposite is true: Islamophobia is on the rise.
Antisemitism and Islamophobia are on the rise across Europe, according to a survey of global opinion released yesterday.
In contrast to the US and Britain where unfavourable opinion of Jews has been stable and low for several years at between 7 and 9%, the Pew Survey of Global Attitudes found that hostile attitudes to Jews were rising all across continental Europe from Russia and Poland in the east to Spain and France in the west.
The survey found that suspicion of Muslims in Europe was considerably higher than hostility to Jews, but that the increase in antisemitism had taken place much more rapidly.
Islamophobes like to explain the rising antisemitism in Europe as being a product of rising Muslim immigration. This however does not explain, as an example, the rising antisemitism in Hungary, a country with virtually no Muslim population. It also does not explain, as the Guardian article pointed out, that antisemites also tend to be Islamophobes as well.
Pamela then quotes Robert Spencer, who asks (notice the quotes around Islamophobia):
Is “Islamophobia” really like anti-Semitism? Let’s see. The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a forgery. Jews really don’t have a secret plan to control the world. Is concern about Islamic supremacism similarly trumped up? Or does Islam include a political manifestation that teaches world domination?
Yes, it is. The Islamophobes, whether they know it or not, mimic the tactics of classical anti-Semites. Antisemitic conspiracy theorists believe that Jews control the world through banking, by secretly taking over governments around the world, and by causing wars for their own self-interest. Similarly, Islamophobic conspiracy theorists believe that Muslims, through a combination of violent jihad and stealth Shari’ah, are out to “Islamize” world civilization and issue a dhimmi status on those who do not comply. Both are loony toon theories, however, only one at the moment is socially acceptable to espouse.
Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was making the humane point that, like antisemitism, Islamophobia must also be socially unacceptable for those who want to live in a tolerant society. Denying the fact that Islamophobia exists, believing it’s only a politically correct fantasy, is not only factually inaccurate, but a dangerous view that is meant to continue tensions between Muslims and non-Muslims. After all, correcting the misconceptions and lies against Muslims will put people like Geller and Spencer out of the polemical anti-Muslim business.
I end by sharing an excellent take on Islamophobia by a German cabaret artist (English subs).
December 29th, 2009 at 12:29 pm
Pamela Geller should know that when the Protocols were at the height of their popularity they were not considered a forgery. Henry S. Ford and Sir Winston Churchill are two prominent leaders who believed in their authenticity.
It was later that they were proven false and fabricated.
I wouldn’t say she is ignorant, i’d say Islamophobes deliberately mirror that technique, “tell a lie long enough and it starts to be believed”
Islamophobes and anti-semites are two sides of the same coin. A lot of the Dominionist supporters of Israel are anti-semitic, though that gets glossed over because of their support for Israel.
Orianna Falaci, exchanged Jew hatred for Muslim hatred. The BNP leader Nick Griffins who denied the Holocaust, suddenly discovered that Muslims are a bigger threat, and then made the obligatory conversion to being an Israel supporter, and thinks his being a Muslim hater is some kind of atonement that Jews should welcome him for.
They’re sick. Geller is sick.
December 29th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Who is this guy !
Wonderful stuff.
Any Chance Loonwatch handing out awards
No I dont mean for Pams Plastic Pouting but to this guy, he really hit the nail on the head .
December 29th, 2009 at 1:01 pm
Is that new headset Pamela Geller’s crown as Queen of Loons? Oh sorry, it’s a big head. I guess that’s her brain leaking out at the top, no wonder she is such a nutter.
Lex, thanks dude
December 29th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I love the video, thanks for sharing. Please put up more of this guy, he’s hilarious
December 29th, 2009 at 1:05 pm
OMG is she for real? Does someone just pay her to be stupid?
December 29th, 2009 at 1:09 pm
Even if there is a huge conspiracy among Muslims to take over the world, any fear of it would still be called “Islamophobia.” Just because they think the fear isn’t real, doesn’t mean the fear doesn’t exist. NB: I don’t think there is a conspiracy.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:35 pm
Sir David,
His name is Hagen Rether. I’ve seen this video several times. I really enjoyed it, so I’d thought I’d share it with loonwatch readers. Glad you liked it!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hagen_Rether
December 29th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
Reza,
LOL, I think that is Pammy’s new headset! Ha. Queen of loons.
On another note, I think Lex is a woman.
December 29th, 2009 at 1:45 pm
Thank you Darter for this update on this most crazy of Loons,
I can sympathise with Geller when she laments Jews being attacked, for example Ilan Halimi, but not her campaign to recruit the young confused girl Rivka Barry. She is kid, and Pamela should be prosecuted for that. she see’s Rivka Barry as a goose who will lay golden eggs for her. Preach how horrible Islam is, Pamela is hoping to probably be her mentor or something, friends so that she can use her for her own agenda.95% of her website is garbage, 80% is pure lies, the rest are half truths, made out to mean something they are not, and white lies.
The German video “hit the Muslims” was spot on. Muslim bashing is fashionable.
Nice pic, by the way. She looks like the devil there, with horns and eyebrows…or maybe it’s my dislike that makes me think so
December 29th, 2009 at 1:59 pm
I do not know if I should be relieved or frightened that others see what I have been telling my friends for months: that anti-Islamic sentiment is eerily familiar to this Jewish woman, and I cannot tolerate it. In a way, I keep hoping that I am wrong, but after visiting here and seeing more and more credible evidence, I can only say God help us.
December 29th, 2009 at 2:55 pm
“Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan was making the humane point that, like antisemitism, Islamophobia must also be socially unacceptable for those who want to live in a tolerant society.”
Erdogan supports and denies genocide and he also supports hamas, do you see the hypocrisy in claiming to try to expose hate while using a bigot as a source?
December 29th, 2009 at 4:11 pm
Cassidy
I suggest you bring sources to back up your claims. Your posts here have been less than truthful, usually they are just rants and personal prejudices, where you twist the meaning of what people say to suit your own prejudices.
In future if you make a claim, bring a source to back it up, otherwise please don’t bother.
1. Can you bring a reliable source, that shows Erdogan supporting genocide
2. Supporting Hamas.
3. A bigot is someone who intolerant of a religious group. If you have proof that Erdogan is a bigot please bring it and show us. Do remember, that criticising the Israeli or Zionist regime is NOT bigotry, so don’t even think of using his anti Israel comments as proof of his bigotry.
Oh and Cassidy, Make sure it’s not MEMRI or SITE sourced (Israeli right wing backed propoganda machines exposed as lying and distorting facts to suit the Likud agenda)
December 29th, 2009 at 4:44 pm
@Cassidy
What do you object? Is Islamophobia, like antisemitism, a crime against humanity? Do you deny that Islamophobes employ the tactics that classical anti-Semites used to demonize Jews?
Let’s focus on the statement itself. You enjoy changing the subject and engaging in character assassination instead of responding to the main point of the piece. I won’t allow you to distract readers by going off on a debate on Hamas, an example you seem to use in every other comment. Either provide your thoughts on Islamophobia or do not comment at all.
Thank you.
Darter
December 29th, 2009 at 5:09 pm
@Darter
I don’t deny that the tactics are more or less identical I think it’s absurd however to hold up such a vile individual as Erdogan as a source. I wasn’t intending to discuss hamas I brought it up to illustrate that Erdogan is clearly an anti-semite. And please spare me the talk about ‘character assassination’, Erdogan is on record denying the armenian genocide, supporting the darfur genocide and supporting hamas.
However getting back to the topic of islamophobia I don’t think it’s really that different from other forms of bigotry; the ‘muslims are going to islamicize the west’ myth sounds identical to the idea that Hispanics are going to ‘take back’ California.
December 29th, 2009 at 5:22 pm
Pot. kettle. black Cassidy. All you do is belittle the struggles of Muslims, deny the oppression of Palestinians and have serious trouble just sticking to the topic. You are a bigot, that much is obvious from your posts.
Of course, Cassidy is likely to say statistically we are not that bad off- failing to recognise that these things cannot be captured by stats and most hate crimes or incidents go unreported. The same mentality that stopped my parents’ generation from reporting racist abuse still exists and arguing whether Islamophobia exists or not only fuels the thinking that is it useless to report things and causes alienation. It is a key factor of depression amongst young Muslims and for people like Gellar and Pipes to tout it as something reasonable is beyond repulsive.
Hagen Rether is just so brilliant! Love that video, he really touches on the issues in Europe, and in that very efficient sounding German accent!
On a related note- Islamophobia doesn’t seem to be in my MS Word dictionary (corrects to Islam phobia) but ‘Islamism’ is- anyone else think that is messed up?!
December 29th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
@Nissa
I haven’t belittled any anti-muslim hate crimes I simply pointed out that they are not the work of the vast majority of Americans, I have never posted hateful anti-Palestinian material on here and I have gone off topic sometimes but so have quite a few people such as the two individuals who posted a repulsive defense of slavery. And yes American Muslims do enjoy high levels of tolerance, there was no anti-Muslim backlash after the fort hood atrocity for example. Also why is that you take issue with me but have remained silent about bigoted posters such as Canadian Muslim?
December 29th, 2009 at 5:44 pm
Rofl–yep, that image of the turban is taken from the infamous Danish anti-Muhammad cartoons. It had a bomb and a lit fuse originally I believe, and was ALWAYS in Pamela’s (and Spencer’s, among others) sidebar. As I always say, “photoshop is reciprocal”, and nothing seemed more perfect for Plastic Pammy’s head than one of the “Mo-Toons”, as the loons call them.
Glad you enjoyed. I’m about to get back into photoshop myself. I asked for a bit of religious tolerance in Facebook from a VERY anti-Christian hipster-artist chick I’ve never bothered before to stand up to. One little comment led to a complete storm, with her and her undereducated cronies attacking me in places where I was blocked from commenting (sounds like a Charles Johnson move, eh?) until I finally blogged it myself, now making it clear to me this polar opposite of Pammycakes, Spencer, et al.
I could have left it all alone, but dammit, her posts were reading like Pamela’s except for being under the cover of the double-standards in place that make it socially acceptable to bash my beliefs. Eh, let her blog about it or seem outraged, The only thing striking me was the fact that the loons covered here are basically just not in the mainstream of acceptability, while posts & jokes against Muslims are ubiquitous.
How do you handle it at all? I’m asking my Muslim friends here: how the hell can you live with these ignorantly hateful posts and comments? I’d nave given it all up by now.
XOXOXOXO to all friends who have felt that bite of bigotry, call on me WHENEVER you need back-up/ Rare for me, but, I’m actually serious this time.Call on me any time.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:16 pm
Darter thanks for this.
and I agree, how can this woman say Islamophobia is not a crime. Of course it’s a crime.
Does this woman even know that Muslims are at the forefront of this battle against “jihad” that she keeps blaming on Islam. Look what Pakistan is doing, Saudi Arabia is battling al Qaeda in Yemen after leaving it too long before acting,
Pehaps she can make some constructive suggestions, or better yet, instead of obsessively typing away at her blog 24 hours, why doesn’t she work with real Muslims if she cares so much about this. She allies herself to fake Muslims, or self hating muslims, or ex wannabe Muslims, and makes herself look like a mean stupid bigot.
Lex
“giggle” Lex the artistry is very apt, I can’t say Pam’s ugly face deserves decoration, but at least it get’s the point across
H’mmmmm, these captions crossed my mind..
“Leather Faced Wicked Witch, Geller, Going up in a Puff of Islamophobia”
“Pamela Geller Canonised! Behold the halo of Islamophobia”
Or something more risqe.
Headline in The Enquirer
“Queen of Islamophobia. Geller Head Ornament Hides Sordid Secret Of Atlas Shrugs Success”
Readers tune in next week for more scandal as revealed by a former best friend, Lex.
December 29th, 2009 at 7:21 pm
“How do you handle it at all? I’m asking my Muslim friends here: how the hell can you live with these ignorantly hateful posts and comments? I’d nave given it all up by now.”
Lex I always keep in mind that Allah is testing me to keep my patience. The other thing is that I do keep in mind that these are professional hate propagandists. And, you may disagree with this one, I do keep in mind… divine justice on judgment day! Whatever it takes to keep you sane ya know?
Thing is we Muslims welcome questions about Islam, even ones that may irritate us, as long as you’re not trying to deliberately piss us off and sincerely want your confusions cleared. But yea, the anti-Muslim bigotry can get to you, thick skin or not. This is why I advise more sensitive Muslims not to browse through comments and read hateful blogs because it’s only going to make you upset.
I appreciate your support.
December 30th, 2009 at 2:55 am
@Arab Business
I can easily prove everything I said about Erdogan, first off he denies the Armenian genocide by doing that he clearly shows that he is a bigot:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/dec/18/armenian-genocide-apology-turkish-rebuttal
Second he supports Omar al-Bashir and invited him to Turkey while claiming that a muslim cannot commit genocide by doing that he supports the Darfur genocide and he clearly couldn’t care less about the Black victims of the Darfur genocide thus he is a bigot.
http://www.news.az/articles/1941
Third he supports hamas while insisting that they have nothing to do with Iran and he claims the media is ‘Jew backed.’
http://www.abbc.net/islam/english/jewishp/turkey/erdogan_anti_israel.htm
And no I’m not going off topic by bring all this up by, Darter kinda loses the high ground when he writes a post decrying anti-Muslim bigotry while upholding such a vile man as Erdogan who this website has previously praised.
December 30th, 2009 at 10:28 am
Cassidy is an obfuscator, pure and simple.
I’ve also noticed how touchy he gets when people who are strongly opposed to Israeli war crimes are brought up.
Erdogan, is no anti-Semite, and that is what irks you the most. He is a strong leader who condemned Israeli war crimes that is why you are upset. You won’t even address Israeli war crimes without bringing up other people’s crimes, your retort is “it’s okay cuz they are worse than Israel.”
Erdogan, has clearly condemned anti-Semtisim, he also signed a peace agreement with Armenia, something I m sure Armenia wouldn’t do if they thought Erdogan hated Armenians. Furthermore, his comment that “a Muslim cannot commit genocide” is not a hint at supremacism, what an idiotic comment “Cassidy” but it is a teaching he is reiterating of ISlam AGAINST KILLING!! He might be naive on Bashir, but don’t try to put into his mouth what he didn’t say.
December 30th, 2009 at 10:55 am
@Cassidy
No you haven’t posted anti-Palestinian comments but you have denied and minimised their suffering, called the free Palestine movement ‘BS’ and done a lot of victim blaming.
Terrorism is not the act of the majority of Muslims- yet we still are called to answer for it.
What fuels these men? Is it because they are so ‘American’? Then surely you should be condemning them constantly and taking some share of the blame right? I mean that is what is expected of Muslims…why are you making excuses- you must support them then!
See how it works for us? You get the liberty to distance yourself and not look back, we don’t.
There wasn’t an open backlash of violence but there was a backlash in other ways, ones you can’t see because you don’t think having to read articles questioning whether Muslims can be trusted are anything other than dandy.
I am less clear on America but just because Muslims in the US or UK are not persecuted like the Copts doesn’t mean we should all just thank our lucky stars and ignore the actual crap we deal with. I am not going to think it is OK that some moron aggressively yells at me in the street every time there is a negative story about Islam in the media just because he didn’t smash my head in with his beer bottle.
Would you think that is a high level of tolerance and be OK with it or would you not want these incidences to get the same press as other hate crime and for people to realise that the growing anti-Muslim sentiment is real and affecting people across society- not just thugs with Nazi tatoos.
The article does not make out like America is a bigoted nation- it highlights that Islamophobia is increasing.
I don’t remember any of Canadian Muslims posts…If he has said something bigoted and I read, then I would call him on it but since you have addressed my posts directly and he hasn’t I haven’t had the chance.
December 30th, 2009 at 2:15 pm
Isn’t it wrong to call Islamophobia a crime, on the grounds that there should be no such thing as a thought crime?
Or are you using the word “Islamophobia” not to refer to hatred or fear itself, but to its consequences – wars motivated by hatred of Islam, hate crimes against individual Muslims, or incitement of anti-Muslim hatred in the media?
December 30th, 2009 at 3:02 pm
Cassidy
1. No Erdogan cant be called a bigot because he denied the Armenian Holocaust. Many countries don’t recognise that term, and only 20 do. Turkey believes that genocide isn’t the correct term to use. Azerbaijan, their ally during the war agrees with them. ~Also remember, the lead up to the Armenian genocide (Enver Pasha lost all his men, and he blamed the armenians for collaberating with russians) This is not to say that Erdogan is right, or that i agree with him, but he and Turkey wants terminology that correctly reflects what happened at the time.
Even Israel says, it’s not for politicians to decide what is a holocaust.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_Genocide
In November 1914, the Ottoman Empire entered World War I on the side of the Central Powers. Minister of War Enver Pasha developed a plan to encircle and destroy the Russian Caucasus Army at Sarıkamış, to regain territories lost to Russia after the Russo-Turkish War of 1877–1878. Enver Pasha’s forces were routed at the Battle of Sarikamis, and almost completely destroyed. Returning to Constantinople, Enver publicly blamed his defeat on Armenians living in the region actively siding with the Russians.[36]
….The Republic of Turkey, the successor state of the Ottoman Empire, denies the word genocide is an accurate description of the events.[12] In recent years, it has faced repeated calls to accept the events as genocide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recognition_of_the_Armenian_Genocide
Many governments, including the governments of Israel and United Kingdom, do not officially use the word “genocide” to describe these events.[20]
Israel and Denmark believe that the genocide recognition should be discussed by historians not politicians
2. According to the link you posted, it could be interpreted as Ergodgan having said that in private to Al Bashir to mean, that he won’t publicy humiliate him, but in private tell him, “no muslim should do this”. How do you know he didn’t? He was hinting, that he did, probably to save face all round and not offend anyone.
“I can’t comfortably talk about this [Gaza] with [Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin] Netanyahu, but I can comfortably talk with Omar Bashir and tell him to his face that ‘what you’re doing is wrong.’ A Muslim cannot commit genocide. If there is such a thing, it’s impossible not to identify it. We can comfortably talk about that as well. We say: ‘You cannot do such thing. You don’t have the right’,” Erdogan was quoted by NTV as saying in his TRT interview”
The way i interpret the link you posted, is to mean that Erdogan wanted to preserve his friendship with Bashir and not wanting to publicly humiliate him. Erdogen hinted that he may have had words with bashir in private. He said he can say things to him that he couldn’t say to Netanyahu for example.
3.”Third he supports hamas while insisting that they have nothing to do with Iran and he claims the media is ‘Jew backed.’ ”
He used the wrong words here. Instead of Jew backed he should have said “neo con controlled” or “zionist likud right wing controlled” That is certainly true. WE know what he means when he says Jew backed. even your own article confirms that. The examples he gave were MEMRI fabrications. Brian Whitaker of The Guardian did an excellent piece about MRMRI and how it lies and distorts and misleads Americans. ERDOGAN IS 100% RIGHT and he also said in that link you posted
“I am (also) a leader who has said that anti-Semitism is a crime against humanity,” he said.
The media in america is neo con controlled, Israel has a freerer media, that is why people like Shoebet, wafa stalin, daniel pipes, brijite gabriel would be booed and spat at if in Israel. Sheobat was refused a visa to visit Israel.
MEMRI and SITE are propoganda outlets made in likud israel, that fooled Americans for a long time. Thats why European and British media is popular in the US now.
Hamas have a better organisational structure, (hospitals, schools, welfare) than any other Palestinian organisation. The Israeli noted military analysit Zeev Schiff recommened that Israle talk to Hamas.
I myself would have voted for Hamas if i had been living there, because they are the least corrupt. That is why people support them, even if they don’t agree with their political agenda regarding Israel. Erdogen is not alone in that. the others are corrupt, mahmud abbas, PA,
If Israel can nuclear weapons, i see no reason why Iran can’t so i don’t oppose Iran’s bid for nuclear weapons. I also support the others, Saudi, UAE, Jordan too.
Either the whole world goes nuclear free, or any country can have nuclear weapons. What? You think we’re not going to develop nuclear weopnosn when neo cons want a greater Israel from the river to the nile and will use nuclear weapons to acheive that?
Never! Of course Iran has the right to weapons if Israel has 200 nuclear war heads. The Armeggedonites and Likud extremists have threated to do just that. They are only stopped because the majority wont let them, but that could change one day. After all Hitler came into power didn’t he? and look what he did.
“Darter kinda loses the high ground when he writes a post decrying anti-Muslim bigotry while upholding such a vile man as Erdogan who this website has previously praised.”
No Darter didn’t lose the high ground, why isn’t Israel recognising the term? are you going to say Israel is a bigoted nation now?
Just because Erdogan doesn’t use the right terms does’t mean he is vile.
Please don’t parrot MEMR and DEBKAFILE propoganda here. We are not stupid and we know the history of our own leaders.
ever since Ergodan has threatened to break of relations with israel, the neo con controlled media have started talking out agianst him. THey don’t want turkey to join the EU if it is hostile to Israel. THAT IS THE REASON
Case dismissed
Cassidy, I have asked you before to pack your bags and go. But you insisit on wasting our time here. This is not a debate site. It’s a place to fight Islamophobia. Kindly go away now, you’d be happier at a forum. You bring nothing of value here. even Dolly and Durendal and Lou, manage to stay on topic though they are Islamophobes, but you are here to divert attention.
If you’re not a sabateour, you’re just a confused, poorly educated (about Islamic history ) person, who is wasting your and our time here. Are you a lonely keyboard warrior? why don’t you join an anti erdogen or anti hamas forum?
To the other readers, I would have you know that i have asked Cassidy on a number of occasions why he posts here, but he refuses to answer.
I can understand pro Islam and anti Islam people posting here, but pet peeve is to always chide us
“do you see….you’re supporting this when he supports that”
“do you see…islam stole the knowledge of the nations and claimed it as it’s own,”
“do you see…he is a Hamas supporter, as if Hamas would be there if Israel were not occupying palestinan land”
Enough said!
(Loon Watch, i apologise for going off topic, but i hope this will shut Cassidy up once and for all)
December 30th, 2009 at 4:36 pm
@ J street
Bravo!
December 30th, 2009 at 6:39 pm
“Cassidy is an obfuscator, pure and simple.”
Hmmm interesting why is that you object to me but have never refuted any of the bigoted posters on here such as canadian muslim?
I’ve also noticed how touchy he gets when people who are strongly opposed to Israeli war crimes are brought up.”
An example please?
Erdogan, is no anti-Semite, and that is what irks you the most.”
Realllly? Then why is that he thinks hamas should be recognized and that the media is controlled by Jews?
“He is a strong leader who condemned Israeli war crimes that is why you are upset. You won’t even address Israeli war crimes without bringing up other people’s crimes, your retort is “it’s okay cuz they are worse than Israel.”
Actually Israel has played a very small part in my arguments I don’t want to turn this into another debate about israel. If you do want to debate about that email me at:
Wilburwhately48@gmail.com
“Erdogan, has clearly condemned anti-Semtisim”
In that case do you also believe that Robert Spencer doesn’t hate muslims? After all spencer claims that he doesn’t hate muslims.
“he also signed a peace agreement with Armenia, something I m sure Armenia wouldn’t do if they thought Erdogan hated Armenians.”
If he doesn’t hate Armenians then why is that he got offended at the thought of a richly deserved apology to Armenia?
“Furthermore, his comment that “a Muslim cannot commit genocide” is not a hint at supremacism, what an idiotic comment “Cassidy” but it is a teaching he is reiterating of ISlam AGAINST KILLING!! He might be naive on Bashir, but don’t try to put into his mouth what he didn’t say.”
Wrong very wrong, by staying that he was denying the darfur genocide, did I mention that he claims that there is no genocide in darfur?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-192402-prime-minister-erdogan-reiterates-no-genocide-in-darfur.html
So clearly the man’s a bigot since he whines about palestinian Arabs 24/7 but couldn’t care less about the thousands of Black victims of darfur.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:18 pm
@J Street Supporter
1. You’re comparing apples to oranges, yes quite a few countries haven’t recognized the genocide, however Erdogan’s case is quite different, he got offended at the thought of apologizing to Armenia and is on the record denying the genocide, thus he clearly has a Turkish supremacist mentality. If an Israeli politician claimed that the Republic of Serbia doesn’t owe Bosnian muslims an apology and the ethnic cleansing of Bosnian muslims never happened would you be okay with that?
2. First off we have no way of knowing what Erdogan said to al-bashir and he didn’t want to offend anyone he shouldn’t have invited in the first place. Your interpretation of his words don’t matter since you admitted that Erdogan wants to be friends with bashir, why is it that that doesn’t bother you? If Robert Spencer wanted to be friends with ratko mladic who slaughtered countless Muslims at Srebrenica would you be okay with that as well? As this article proves Erdogan has zero sympathy for the victims of the darfur genocide:
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-192402-prime-minister-erdogan-reiterates-no-genocide-in-darfur.html
3. For starters by saying that the media is ‘Jew backed’ he revealed that he has anti-Semitic fantasies about Jewish control and his ‘condemnation’ of anti-semitism is nothing but a ploy Robert Spencer claims that he doesn’t hate muslims but like Erdogan his actions and words say otherwise. And I’m not going to reply to your rant about nukes because it has extremely to do with what I actually posted and your fantasies about the media being neo con controlled are just that; fantasies.
“No Darter didn’t lose the high ground, why isn’t Israel recognising the term? are you going to say Israel is a bigoted nation now?”
I’m afraid he did when you praise somebody who made bigoted remarks while claiming to condemn bigotry the point’s kind of lost. Second of all you’re comparing apples to oranges yes there are nations that don’t recognize the genocide however have any of them offended at the thought of an apology to Armenia and have blatantly denied the genocide and those countries have never imprisoned anyone for speaking out against the Armenian genocide like Turkey has.
“Cassidy, I have asked you before to pack your bags and go.”
Your hypocrisy amuses me, why is that you haven’t asked the people here such as Canadian muslim who posted offensive material on danios’ shariah entry? Second of all (Nabeela) you have defended islamic slavery, which means that you are in no position to try to take the high ground.
“If you’re not a sabateour, you’re just a confused, poorly educated (about Islamic history ) person, who is wasting your and our time here. Are you a lonely keyboard warrior? why don’t you join an anti erdogen or anti hamas forum?”
Interesting, in multiple parts of your post you didn’t use proper grammar and yet you claim I’m poorly educated….. Also I’m afraid that you’re the keyboard warrior here since you beat your chest about how you’re ‘fighting islamophobia.’
“I can understand pro Islam and anti Islam people posting here, but pet peeve is to always chide us.”
As for those quotes you posted yes islamic invaders did indeed steal knowledge from others such as the fact that ‘arabic’ numerals were actually invented by Hindu Indians and yes the claim that hamas would just go away if Israel did this or this is absurd since Hamas’ ultimate goal is the destruction of Israel. Also I don’t call myself anti-islam since that implies that I want to demolish mosques or ban hijabs or something like that.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:29 pm
@Nissa
Yes the free palestine movement is bs since there’s no shortage of anti-semitism in the movement and a lot of support for physical force Irish republicanism, (the PLO and the PIRA go way back) so I can’t support something like that. Second of all I don’t believe that American Muslims should be expected to condemn terrorism 24/7 that would be as absurd as expecting Basque-Americans to condemn ETA terrorism 24/7. And I wasn’t trying to minimalize hate crimes against American Muslims, it seemed to me that emperor was attempting to paint America as a land of people who hate muslims something that irritates me and I brought up Egypt to illustrate the difference between a nation that has institutionalized oppression and a nation that doesn’t.
“I don’t remember any of Canadian Muslims posts”
Check out danios’ post about sharia.
December 31st, 2009 at 2:24 am
Cassidy,
Same old rehashed nonsense, and are you blind, or have a short memory? Nissa made it clear she is not interested in debating you offline, but once again you insist on inisist.
To the other readers,
I think Cassidy is here to harvest IP addresses so don’t email her/him. His/her presence here is really peculiar. Why doesn’t he go to forums instead of accosting members here and then ask them to email him/her under the guise of “debating”
and Cassidy, I don’t believe you actually read what is there, but only see what YOU want to see, you also interpret it how you want, and not how whomever was saying/meant to say.
Therefore i am not going to waste time, going through your garbage.
I don’t hesitate to take on time wasters if i see them, so there is no need for you to point out who I may have missed. If you note, people object to your presence here, mainly because you have nothing to offer and you’re a “diverter”. You’re a nuisance.
“As for those quotes you posted yes islamic invaders did indeed steal knowledge from others such as the fact that ‘arabic’ numerals ”
You’re just an envious bigot, who wants to discredit Islam using any means possible. The facts speak for themselves. Check the links i gave you and learn, but you’re not interested in that. Your comment about the numerals display spectacular ignorance, or i’d say just plain envy.
Now pack your bags and get out of here.
You’re a total timewaster, you repeat your prejediced line again and again, same old, same old… You see what you want to see, and hear what you want to hear, and ignore the rest…it was obvious in the posts above what was meant but you insist on painting Erdogan a vile bigot, perhaps you would also agree that the US is too, for supporting the Israeli genocide of Palestians, but you won’t say that, and if you don’t like it, you twist it to fit your narrative.
I can rebut every sentence of your garbage that you wrote above, but i’m not going to waste time, as you wouldn’t read or understand but just repeat your own nonsence.
Cassidy, You’ve outstayed your welcome here. You’re an annoyance. Do the right thing and go. Come on, now, PACK YOUR BAGS. OUT.
Shut the door after you
December 31st, 2009 at 4:03 am
@Cassidy
Well then you really shouldn’t be so pro-Israel since the entire Zionist project is built upon dehumanising Arabs (and by extenstion Muslims) and the anti-Arab racism present in the IDF, Israeli politics and the neo-con movement that supports Israel so blindly is part of how they gather support against the Palestinians.
Your logic is totally flawed, the civil rights movement had elements of racism and anti- does that mean it was not worth supporting? You just characterised everyone who is for a fair and just resolution in Palestine as an anti-semite….it is a tired tactic to discredit a movement that is by and large about justice. And it isn’t just the movement- you have on more than one occassion denied that Palestinians have suffered at all bringing up the Copts as having it worse- as pointless as oppression olympics are- I do think the Palestinians would win gold.
America does have institutionlised oppression, it might say one thing in your constitution and you might not think it is as bad as Egypt but the reality is quite different for a lot of minorities and you don’t live it.
December 31st, 2009 at 4:35 am
Does anyone see the contradictions and pirouhettes in Cassidy’s posts? Too numerous to mention. I can’t believe his sheer stubborness, hemust have a lot of time to waste.
The analogy of Erdogen being an anti-semite and comparing that to Robert Spencer saying he doesn’t hate Muslims, is breathtaking in its sheer stupidity. Is Cassidy really this stupid? If so then, he needs to go back to school. He also has the gall of comparing apples to oranges when that is all he has ever done here. He only addresses that which he wants and ignores the rest. Selectively picks out what he can use to further his prejedice and ignores that which proves his ignorance.
There are holes so big in his statements (and his other analogies and comparisons) that elephants could walk through.
His obsessive insistence on debating by email is extremely suspicious.
Hey Nissa, he seems to have developed an unhealthy interest in debating with you. Beware of temptation, though, he could have been sent by one of teh Loons to harvest IP addresses by email, by pretending to want to debate.
It’s more appropriate to ask why Cassidy doesn’t support Iran’s nuclear programme, because Israel has over 200 nuclear war heads. Every country in the Middle East is justified in developing nuclear weapons until Israel gives up her nuclear weaponery. Cassidy should also be asking why the international community is not helping Saudi Arabia, UAE, Jordan, Lebanon, Syria in developing nuclear weapons. What is sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander.
Cassidy cannot lay out his thoughts in a coherant manner. I think he doesn’t know how to, that’s why he jumps from one point to another completely unrelated subject, and tries desperately to link them together. Even when there is no link.
Astonishing. Even more astonishing is that he refuses to leave Loon Watch.
Cassidy, go and start your own forum on Blogger you moron. It’s free and you have nothing to lose. Nobody here is interested in your ramblings.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:05 am
“The analogy of Erdogen being an anti-semite and comparing that to Robert Spencer saying he doesn’t hate Muslims, is breathtaking in its sheer stupidity. Is Cassidy really this stupid?”
You really missed my point which is that Erdogan’s ‘condemnation’ of anti-Semitism doesn’t set him apart from other bigots, countless anti-gay morons for example claim that they don’t hate LGBT people however like Erdogan their actions and words say otherwise.
“Hey Nissa, he seems to have developed an unhealthy interest in debating with you. Beware of temptation, though, he could have been sent by one of teh Loons to harvest IP addresses by email, by pretending to want to debate.”
How’s that tin foil fez feel? Also the middle east nuke issue is a different topic, I’m not in the mood to discuss that, mkay?
December 31st, 2009 at 7:27 am
@1001 Muslim Inventions
First of all it amuses me that your ‘reply’ is shrill whining and baseless accusations (apparently I’m part of a conspiracy to harvest IP addresses) and no real response to my post.
“Therefore i am not going to waste time, going through your garbage.”
That’s because you don’t have a leg to stand on, second of all if you didn’t want to waste your time you shouldn’t have typed up this laughable whiney reply.
“I don’t hesitate to take on time wasters if i see them, so there is no need for you to point out who I may have missed.”
You miss my point people on here such as DrM have posted bigoted yet you remained silent about them but yet you whine about me? A clear example of hypocrisy.
“If you note, people object to your presence here, mainly because you have nothing to offer and you’re a “diverter.”
Yes I’ve gone off topic a few times but so have other posters here.
“You’re just an envious bigot, who wants to discredit Islam using any means possible.”
You have defended islamic slavery and tried to paint it as ‘humane’ so you’re the bigot here and yes I’m critical of islam however I’m not an anti-muslim fanatic like geller or spencer.
“Check the links i gave you and learn”
Ah yes your links, one website you posted muslimheritage claims that islam abolished slavery a complete lie that mirrors genocide denial; so I think if anyone here needs to learn it’s you.
“it was obvious in the posts above what was meant but you insist on painting Erdogan a vile bigot”
If he isn’t a bigot why can’t you refute the facts I posted?
“perhaps you would also agree that the US is too, for supporting the Israeli genocide of Palestians, but you won’t say that, and if you don’t like it, you twist it to fit your narrative.”
A terrible argument I’m talking about an individual not an entire country or government second of all you are in no position to criticize Israel since you have defended islamic slavery and your whining about Israel is nothing more than attempt to divert attention from the fact that you lost this argument.
“Cassidy, You’ve outstayed your welcome here. You’re an annoyance. Do the right thing and go. Come on, now, PACK YOUR BAGS. OUT.”
Wow I had no idea that you own this website!
December 31st, 2009 at 7:43 am
@Nissa
First of all I’m not fanatically pro-Israel I have zero support for the settler wackjobs for example. Second of all if zionism is nothing more than one big collection Arab haters that doesn’t really explain why Arabic is an official language in Israel and why the Israeli Supreme Court also ruled that the government cannot allocate land based on religion or ethnicity, and may not prevent Arab citizens from living wherever they choose.
“Your logic is totally flawed, the civil rights movement had elements of racism and anti- does that mean it was not worth supporting?”
A poor comparison the civil rights movement despite those racist elements was a peaceful movement, I can’t recall Martin Luther King encouraging bombings and even the most militant Black nationalist groups look like kittens compared to palestinian terrorists
“You just characterised everyone who is for a fair and just resolution in Palestine as an anti-semite”
No I merely pointed out that anti-semitism run heavily through anti-Israel movements, just look at the hateful protests that took place during operation cast lead.
“it is a tired tactic to discredit a movement that is by and large about justice.”
I’m sorry but given the sheer amount of support for terrorism (I’ve lost count of the pro-palestinian websites that praise the PIRA) and anti-semitism the movement is not exactly about justice.
“America does have institutionlised oppression”
I’m afraid that’s false due to anti-discrimination law, the closest thing America has to institutionalized discrimination would be states that don’t allow for same sex marriage.
December 31st, 2009 at 10:44 am
hey i have a question is Islamophobia a lot of people, or just few people but with high positions in society? I always thought it was the latter, but now im not sure.
December 31st, 2009 at 3:29 pm
Using Loony Gellers’ logic, Anti-Semitism is not a crime against humanity and celebrating the death of 6 million jews is pro-humanistic. Well done Geller, you leathery-faced old bitter zionist hag!!
December 31st, 2009 at 4:53 pm
This intelligent cabaret singer is called Hagen Rether.
January 7th, 2010 at 5:43 am
@Cassidy
I didn’t say you were fanatically pro-Israel…but by your own logic since everyone who is pro-Palestine is fanatically so and you paint the whole movement with the anti-semitic brush then I will have to think you do support those whackjobs jsut because you support Israel.
Elements in the pro-Palestine movement might OK terrorism…that ignores the much larger part that is about social justive, civil disobedience and non-violent resistance plus global activism.
I was at the marches during operation cast lead- they were not anti-Semitic…if anything, the little thugs who were burning Israeli flags were actively stopped and derided for their actions by people on the march. Also, the pro-Israel marches and demos were extremely anti-Arab, anti-Muslm and offensive in they way they lied and cried anti-semitism (You can see it on the net and I heard things from friends who held counter demos at the same time and were intimidated and verbally attacked) No word on that?
Arabic is an official language because a huge proportion of Israel is Arab. It isn’t them being charitable and fair. The Supreme court might say one thing…but reality on the ground is different and it means nothing when literally a couple of KM away they are walling in and ruining Palestinisn lives whilst denying Israeli-Arabs the ability to assert their Palestinisn identity and connections.
Institutions are not just codified laws….and actually the US’s laws do discriminate against Aboriginal and Native Americans. Institutional racism and oppression exists in everyday way these institutions function….since you are probably a middle aged white man- you would not have the same experiences as someone from a minority, especially a villified minority as Muslims are now.
January 12th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Ustahd, I aim to please and few are better subjects than Pamela. She posts so many pics of herself on her blog, which is a big plus. My kids cheered me on when I stuck her head on Godzilla. Heeheehee!
Wow! I’d LOVE to thank the person who wanted to check out my little Holiday Serving of Bigotry after reading my comment way above only to get to my pre-internet and now-internet arch-enemy and leaving a nice comment for HER. Gee, thanks. That girl is the punk far-left (and I’m pretty darned left myself) version of Pamela Geller.
And again, Muslims here, how the heck do you deal with stupid post after idiotic blog after insane and/or homicidal comments against Islam? I mean, talk about tolerance, I can’t even imagine being insulted for my own Faith on such a regular basis! And I’m not even that religious!
March 2nd, 2010 at 3:47 pm
Seems to me that Pam Geler’s islamophobia borders on the pathological at times . How could she ever deny that the Bosnians were victims of a crime against humanity ? Or maybe she doesn’t realize that no two cases of genocide are going to be identical in every single respect . Or maybe she’s too far gone to even think of that possibilty ?