Nonie Darwish
We are going to have an explosive breakdown of the clownish Nonie Darwish, another charlatan akin to Wafa Sultan who is milking the Islamophobic cash cow for all it’s worth. Jim Holstun, a professor at SUNY Buffalo wrote this great piece in 2008 that lays bear Nonie’s excessive Islamophobia, as well as her contradictions and lies.
Nonie Darwish and the al-Bureij Massacre
StandWithUs is a Zionist advocacy group in Los Angeles. It concentrates on US colleges and universities, offering fellowships, book donations, lectures, training and hands-on activism. I first heard about the group in 2005, after its Executive Director, Roz Rothstein, wrote my university’s president, provost and Arts and Sciences dean to warn them that I was teaching courses in Palestinian culture. She passed along some hysterical libels from anonymous community members (not my students), gave a detailed critique of my syllabuses, encouraged them to investigate me and two other colleagues, and helpfully suggested a few questions they might want to ask.
StandWithUs manages an impressive stable of Zionist speakers, including several who are Arabs, Muslims, or ex-Muslims: Brigitte Gabriel, Ishmael Khaldi, Walid Shoebat, Khaled Abu Toameh, and Nonie Darwish. Darwish, born an Egyptian Muslim, now an American Evangelical Christian, is one of the most energetic. She manages the website Arabs for Israel and has appeared on FOX News, on the website Frontpage Magazine, and in the film Obsession: Radical Islam’s War Against the West. She is also the author of Now They Call Me Infidel: Why I Renounced Jihad for America, Israel, and the War on Terror. Penguin Books publishes it under its Sentinel imprint — a special line of conservative titles. Since her book’s publication in 2006, Darwish has toured extensively, speaking primarily at colleges and universities.
Now They Call Me Infidel has blurbs from all the usual crew: Daniel Pipes, David Horowitz, Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’Or, former Senator Rick Santorum, Representative Tom “Nuke Mecca” Tancredo, and General Paul Vallely, who advocates the final ethnic cleansing of all Palestinian citizens of Israel. In the book itself, Darwish interweaves stories of her Egyptian girlhood with potted accounts of female genital mutilation, arranged marriages, polygamy, veiling, domestic abuse, honor killings, sharia law, jihad, censorship, hate-oriented education, the rejection of modernity, the cult of martyrdom, Islamic imperialism, and the pathological, groundless hatred of Israel.
In her interviews and in her book, she insists that she is not anti-Arab or anti-Islamic, and even suggests from time to time that she is still a Muslim. Then she pivots nimbly and attacks “the Arab mind,” “the seething Arab street,” and “the Muslim world,” with its “culture of jihad,” “culture of death,” and “culture of envy.” There are “no real distinctions between moderate or radical Muslims,” and no significant differences within or among Arab or Muslim cultures: for Darwish, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser’s secular Arab nationalism was essentially jihadist. Darwish is allergic to social history: “I realized that the Arab-Israeli conflict is not a crisis over land, but a crisis of hate, lack of compassion, ingratitude, and insecurity.” Instead of history, scholarship, and footnotes, she gives us a watered-down version of Raphael Patai’s The Arab Mind: a dictionary of Islamophobic commonplaces underwritten by the authority of an ex-Muslim native informant: I was there — I know.
Darwish’s portraits of Israel and of the US, to which she emigrated in 1978, are diametrically opposite but equally fatuous: Israeli Jews are tolerant, pragmatic, and peace-loving. From 1967 to 1982, they made the Sinai bloom. Americans are honest, charitable, industrious, self-sufficient, intellectually curious, and benevolent toward the foreign nations to whom they bring liberty. They err only in their excess of credulous goodness: because of “the simplicity of American values such as truthfulness,” they risk falling prey to duplicitous jihadist immigrants and dangerous professors, who “indoctrinate American young people with the radical Muslim agenda.”
Her outsider’s view of America complements her insider’s view of the Arab and Muslim world, for imperial states want not only other people’s land and labor, but their love. Here, we may compare Now They Call Me Infidel not only to recent anti-Islamic conversion narratives like Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s Infidel (her conversion was to neoconservative atheism and the American Enterprise Institute), but to earlier works in the genre. In her 1964 Editions Gallimard autobiography, O mes soeurs musulmanes, pleurez! (O My Muslim Sisters, Weep!), Zoubeida Bittari recounts her escape from Algerian Muslim patriarchy to French Christian bliss as a domestic servant to a Pied-Noir family; Nonie Darwish finds friends, family, and faith in southern California, including a Republican women’s group, an American husband, and Christian fellowship in Pastor Dudley Rutherford’s Shepherd of the Hills Church. As Bittari helped French colons feel better about their ungratefully rebuffed civilizing mission in Algeria, so Darwish helps Americans feel better about the long and bumpy road to global democratization.
There are occasional flashes of something more individual and authentic in Darwish’s book. For instance, her reiterated heartfelt attack on Nasser’s rent control laws (her mother lived partly off of her Cairo rentals) helps us understand why she feels so much more at home in southern California, where she arrived with enough money to buy a house with a swimming pool. But as a whole, the book is tedious, predictable, and badly edited — born to be bought, scanned and displayed, not actually read. But this will not diminish the demand for Darwish as a lecturer, which derives not from her writing but from her parentage: her father was Colonel Mustafa Hafez, head of Egyptian army intelligence in the Gaza Strip in the early ’50s, who was killed by an Israeli letter bomb in July 1956. Every lecture notice, every interview, even the title page of her book announces her as “a Muslim Shahid’s Daughter.”
Throughout her book, Darwish struggles to maintain love and loyalty both to the father she lost at age eight and to the Israeli state that killed him. In a parting flourish, she says that “My father — and potentially my whole family — was sent to his death in Gaza by Nasser, who was consumed by his desire to destroy Israel,” and she fondly imagines him surviving and flying with assassinated Egyptian president Anwar Sadat to Israel. But this argument sometimes requires a torturous chronology: “When, on January 16, 1956, Nasser vowed a renewed offensive to destroy Israel, the pressure on my father to step up operations increased. More fedayeen groups were organized, and their training expanded to other areas of the Gaza Strip. Often my father was gone for days at a time. In an attempt to end the terror, Israel sent its commandos one night to our heavily guarded home.”
The problem here is that this early, failed assassination attempt occurred in 1953, when Hafez was struggling to prevent destabilizing Palestinian infiltration from Gaza into Israel. Things changed dramatically in February 1955, when then military commander Ariel Sharon’s Gaza raid killed 37 Egyptian soldiers and wounded 31. This raid brought shocked international condemnation, the end of Israeli Prime Minister Moshe Sharett’s ongoing negotiations with Nasser, mass demonstrations of Palestinian refugees in the Gaza Strip, and Nasser’s decision to have Hafez organize and arm Palestinian fedayeen for cross-border forays. Israeli historians Avi Shlaim and Benny Morris see the raid as a turning point in Israeli-Arab relations. Darwish never mentions it.
Continuing with her discussion of the earlier undated raid on her family’s home (it actually occurred on 28-29 August 1953), she says, “My father was not at home that night, and the Israelis found only women and children — my mother, two maids, and five small children. The commandos left us unharmed. I personally did not even wake up or know of the incident until later in life, when I read a book written about my father. After I read it, I called my mother immediately, and she confirmed the story. The Israelis chose not [to] kill us even though the Egyptian-organized fedayeen did kill Israeli civilians, women and children.”
Young Nonie must have been a very sound sleeper, since one squad blew the gate off her house, injuring several civilians, and, by one account, proceeded to demolish the house. Grown-up Nonie seems not to know that the Israeli commandos were part of Ariel Sharon’s newly-organized Unit 101. While the one squad attacked her house, Sharon’s was cornered nearby in al-Bureij refugee camp. He decided they would bomb and shoot their way through the camp rather than retreat from it. General Vagn Bennike, the Danish UN Truce Chief, reported to the Security Council on the ensuing massacre: “Bombs were thrown through the windows of huts in which the refugees were sleeping and, as they fled, they were attacked by small arms and automatic weapons. The casualties were 20 killed, 27 seriously wounded, and 35 less seriously wounded.” Other sources estimate from 15 to 50 fatalities.
The Israeli army blamed the raid on rogue kibbutzniks, and Ariel Sharon tried to reassure his men, telling them that all the dead women were camp whores or murderous Palestinian infiltrators. But some of them remained shocked at what they had done. Participant Meir Barbut said they felt as if they were slaughtering the pathetic inhabitants of a Jewish transit camp: “The boys threw Molotov cocktails at [innocent] people, not at the saboteurs we had come to punish. It was shameful for the 101 and the IDF [Israel army].” Another asked, “Is this screaming, whimpering multitude … the enemy? … How did these fellahin sin against us?” In 2006, Palestinian journalist Laila El-Haddad interviewed a survivor for Al Jazeera English:
“Mohammad Nabahini, 55, was two at the time and lived in the camp. He survived the attack in the arms of his slain mother. ‘My father decided to stay behind when they attacked. He hid in a pile of firewood and pleaded with my mother to stay with him. She was too afraid, and fled with hundreds of others, only to return to take me and a few of her belongings with her,’ he said. ‘As she was escaping, her dress got caught in a fence around the camp, just over there,’ he gestured, near a field now covered with olive trees. ‘And then they threw a bomb at her, Sharon and his men. She tossed me on the ground behind her before she died.’”
Though Darwish never mentions it, the al-Bureij Massacre hasn’t exactly been a secret — both Zionist and anti-Zionist historians have described it clearly, with little disagreement save the number of fatalities, with the high-end estimate coming from an Israeli history. If it tends not to loom large in Palestinian historical memory, that’s because it was overshadowed just two months later by the Qibya Massacre, during which Sharon’s Unit 101 killed 67, women and children, demolishing buildings over their heads and shooting them down when they tried to flee — the tactic pioneered at al-Bureij. Given its propensity for civilian soft targets, this daredevil elite unit might be better described as a death squad.
We probably shouldn’t expect Nonie Darwish to alter her campus presentations anytime soon. The bookings by StandWithUs might dry up if she were to start supplementing her cautionary tales about sharia law, jihadi immigrants, and female genital mutilation with a serious discussion of Israeli massacres at Deir Yassin, Tantura, al-Bureij, Qibya, Kfar Qasim, Sabra and Shatila, and Beit Hanoun. In any case, Darwish prefers simple cultural generalities and intimate personal reflection to historical analysis. But since that’s the case, someone at her next lecture might ask if she remembers playing with any of the refugee children murdered at al-Bureij, and why the kindly Israeli commandos who spared her family decided to blow up Mohammad Nabahini’s mother.
Jim Holstun teaches world literature and Marxism at SUNY Buffalo and can be reached at jamesholstun A T hotmail D O T com.
February 19th, 2010 at 2:10 am
It looks like any Muslim/Arab wants to hit the “money jackpot” in the United States,he or she can do so by simply starts casting a bunch of lies about Islam,Muslims and Arabs. The number of Zionist sponsors and haters of Islam,Muslim and Arabs will initially spring-up like Mushrooms,but will eventially fades away,as those who were willing to sell themselves for money are fully consumed by their sponsors and no longer useful for the propaganda purposes of the sponsors.
Those kind of Muslims and Arabs deserve no anger from me but rather a profound pity and I am no Muslim but studied Islam,Arabic language,Arabic
literatures and Arabic history and cultures. Yes,Nonie Darwish deserves no anger from me,but profound PITY…
February 19th, 2010 at 7:24 am
Mooneye,You have really enlightened a lot of people like me who knew so little about this great person named Noni Darwish.It is strange that the people, who are the target of your hate turn out to be so excellent.
Like Mohammad who liked nothing but praise and disliked opposing opinion,you follow his footsteps and you do not have the moral courage to publish my comments. By the way Zakir Naik a great Islamic comedian.He is bankrolled by Arabs,how about you?
February 19th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
Thanks for bringing this piece to our attention. I think Nonie’s father must be spinning in his grave.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:15 pm
It is no surprise that the maggots who thrive in this industry are liars.
Nonie Darwish – liar
Wafa Sultan – liar – she has lied about numerous things, including a claim that she watched a professor get gunned down at her university
Walid Shoebat – well documented liar – even Debbie Schlussel and her visage of beauty have taken shots at this fraud
Ayan Hirsi Ali – lied to get into the Netherlands, and lied about her supposed oppression at the hands of her husband and family – and now she’s breaking up the marriage of Niall Ferguson, so much for women’s rights.
Brigitte Gabriel aka Hanan Tudor – exposed by Debbie Schlussel yet again
This entire enterprise is soaked with roaches trying to eat at the dung heap. As the heap lessens, they increasingly butt heads, which is why we’ve seen some friction among the different members of this odious movement, with Schlussel in particular demonstrating very thin skin. She even began attacking the Botox Queen at one point.
February 19th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
At first i thought that picture was smiling, but the more you look at it, the more it looks like an expression frozen in cosmic horror. Perhaps this inability to smile like a human being is a physical result of her spiritual transgressions.
February 22nd, 2010 at 3:34 pm
“Ayan Hirsi Ali – lied to get into the Netherlands, and lied about her supposed oppression at the hands of her husband and family – and now she’s breaking up the marriage of Niall Ferguson, so much for women’s rights.”
LOL Hirsi the feminist! I did not know about this.
February 23rd, 2010 at 9:56 am
I agree with Garo. I pity her and all that stand with her. May God have mercy on their souls.
June 21st, 2010 at 11:51 am
so if this woman lies about everything, then is all that she claims (and others) about “Sharia law” all lies as well?
in attempts to cut through all the BS with regard to the extremists on BOTH sides of the never ending conflict in the Middle East, where can i find the TRUTH about what Sharia law actually entails?
of course, i understand how people make up their OWN truths, but i guess i’m hunting for perhaps the least biased information about Sharia law. it would be helpful to find a source which is NOT from either group of people closely related to the matter.
thank you.
bbc
June 21st, 2010 at 12:36 pm
bernard: in attempts to cut through all the BS with regard to the extremists on BOTH sides of the never ending conflict in the Middle East, where can i find the TRUTH about what Sharia law actually entails?
I would suggest the following two books my Muhammad Asad:
(1) This Law of ours and other Essays
(2) The Principles of State and Government in Islam
Alternatively, you could listen to the following lecture by Hamza Yusuf
http://www.ilookisee.co.uk/Lectures/CD%20Lectures/Hamza%20Yusuf%20-%20Vision%20Of%20Islam.htm
June 22nd, 2010 at 2:26 am
You only have to look and see for yourself that everywhere where there is
political trouble, Islam is involved. If Muslims want us to believe that they are a peaceful religion they must first of all abolish all laws that make women second rate citizens and slaves, because what Nonie says is TRUE!! Then Muslims should open their mouths and condemn the hatred and
violence for which Islam is responsible. And THEN! STOP THE ANTI-SEMITISM! Why is Israel singled out for everything that is evil when they want to defend THEIR territory, but when gross human suffering happens in other parts of the world nobody bats an eyelid about that! Israel bashers, get your facts straight! @ bbc, I hope you get to the bottom of Sharia law, i.e. the truth, because that is what the world needs to know: TRUTH!
June 24th, 2010 at 11:45 pm
No matter how you twist and bend the truth- it will pop out somewhere. It is not rocket science to know who is lying. No person is as blind as he who do not wish to see. You will have fundamentalists in every religion – but have a look at which teachings are the most consistant. The truth is simple – as soon as you have to overexplain something – you are forcing it to fit your lifestyle. Christ said that if you seek the truth that you will find it – perhaps people avoid the truth for the simple reason that they will have to make a fundamental change to their fundamental lifestyle which could have some fundamental consequences… – just a thought
June 25th, 2010 at 1:41 am
Sonia
Have you ever been across the sea to Ireland ? Basque country in Spain ? Columbia ? I could go on but its boring . Its just not true that Islam is behind all terrorist attacks . Ask the experts, ask the FBI or Europol. Just look at facts they are out there .Maybe just not on Fox news or sites that deliberatly spread misinformation and lies .
Sorry I dont buy the anti semitism equals anti Isreal . Isreal is a political entity thus it is acceptable to hold a different political view point . ( and boy do I hold a different political view point ) they even have political parties in Isreal that dont agree with each other, how ever anti semitism is the hate of a whole race and hate is wrong .
John you are so right but maybe not in the way you intended.
June 25th, 2010 at 1:55 am
Sonia: You only have to look and see for yourself that everywhere where there is political trouble, Islam is involved.
Really? So the recent showdown between red shirt protesters and government troops in Bangkok were due to Islam? Or how about the Sri Lankan government’s fight against the Tamil Tigers, were they due to Islam as well?
I could go on and on, but only an idiot would still hold onto what you said.
June 25th, 2010 at 3:11 am
@ Sonia. You’re a woman, right? YOU, BECAUSE OF YOUR KIND I’M DOOMED IN THIS WORLD, how dare you speak? EH? Sorry, just joking
In case you didn’t get it, here you go:
Genesis 3:6 KJV “And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.”
Intermezzo: compare to Quran teaching:
Quran 2:36-37 “But the Shaitan made them both fall from it, and caused them to depart from that (state) in which they were; and We said: Get forth, some of you being the enemies of others, and there is for you in the earth an abode and a provision for a time. Then Adam received (some) words from his Lord, so He turned to him mercifully; surely He is Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.”
Anyway, let’s get back to business (emphasis added)
“You only have to look and see for yourself that EVERYWHERE where there is political trouble, ISLAM IS INVOLVED.”
WOW, that’s a bold claim. Let’s see the quality of Sonia who said this.
“If Muslims want us to believe that they are a peaceful religion they must first of all abolish all laws that make WOMEN SECOND RATE CITIZENS and slaves, because what Nonie says is TRUE!! Then Muslims should open their mouths and condemn the hatred and violence for which Islam is responsible.”
Excuse me? Do you wonder why the hell I put those bible verse above? And then compared it to the Quran? Right, to show you the truth. It is bible/torah that placed women in a such position. I am (MALE) doomed in this world because of EVE (FEMALE)!!!
Another proof that IT IS CHRISTIAN that put women as second rate citizen:
1 Timothy 2:11-12 NIV “11 A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. 12 I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” See? Do you know why is that? Because of the first bible verse that I quote above, as further said on 1 Timothy
1 Timothy 2:14-15 NIV “14 And Adam was not the one deceived; IT WAS WOMAN WHO WAS DECEIVED AND BECAME A SINNER 15 But women will be saved through childbearing—if they continue in faith, love and holiness with propriety.”
Another one:
Deuteronomy 24:1 NIV “When a man hath taken a wife, and married her, and it come to pass that she find no favour in his eyes, because he hath found some uncleanness in her: then let him write her a bill of divorcement, and give it in her hand, and send her out of his house.”
Anyway, which law are you referring to? Care to show us? You see, the way I see it: The pro-Geller and Cowardie Spencie reader of this website tend to just throw baseless accusation which is pathetic at best. See? If you said that ISLAM makes WOMEN as SECOND RATE CITIZENS (without giving any proof), I wonder what would you say to the above bible verses.
“And THEN! STOP THE ANTI-SEMITISM! Why is Israel singled out for everything that is evil when they want to defend THEIR territory, but when gross human suffering happens in other parts of the world nobody bats an eyelid about that! Israel bashers, get your facts straight! @ bbc, I hope you get to the bottom of Sharia law, i.e. the truth, because that is what the world needs to know: TRUTH!”
Contrary to you, WHEN GROSS HUMAN SUFFERING IS HAPPENING TO THE PALESTIANS, YOU ALL KEEP YOUR MOUTH SHUT!!! WHOSE territory is that? They claimed it as their land because their “scribe” told them to do so. THAT’S AGAIN HUMANITY and I dare say that THE SCRIBE IS NOT FAIR. The scribe instruct you to ROB and DRIVEN OUT the native inhabitants out of their homeland. Just as this verse said:
Deuteronomy 20:16 KJV “But of the cities of these people, which the LORD thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth”
Anyway, it is no wonder to me that you’re easily deceived by Nonie. As 1 Timothy 2:14 above pointed out, it is within your blood. You’re easily deceived by satan.
June 28th, 2010 at 9:56 am
So – she’s a liar, Mooneye is not. At least according to him.
Another website – she is a saint, he a liar.
Basically – who cares?
Those who get listened to get paid, those who are ignored go away.
Lesson here: give them no attention, they’ll go away.
July 1st, 2010 at 4:33 pm
Islam needs the time to grow up like christianity grew out of the dark ages.
Women were not treated very well either in those days in the christian world.
It took the west a long time to reach the society we have today which I
think despite it’s flaws has the best social structure in the world.
I fail to understand why some people coming from the muslim world into
the western world voice such hatred towards our western culture.
My suggestion is please go back where you came from and leave us alone.
If the muslim world is so wonderful and caring what the hell are you doing
in the west.
When we show intolerance towards the muslim women hiding behind their veils
you get upset. Do you show tolerance when our women come to your
country dressed the way they are used to ?
I hope for all our sakes that a renaissance will take place in your world.
It took us a couple of hundred years before we dragged ourselves out
of the darkness with our christian believes.
July 2nd, 2010 at 4:44 am
john T
I love the idea that christainity is grown up. News flash ! women are still not treated very well in many parts of the christain world either.
Find me an empty womens refuge ( safe place for victims of domestic abuse)
Please define ‘social structure’? please define ‘our western culture ‘
You assume you define for everyone what that is ? so tell us . What do you believe in rather than state what you think Islam stands for?
Then people can measure that against what they believe in.
July 11th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
I received an email of a short version of some of Nonie Darwish writings and quotes and I thought it sounded exaggerated, for the purpose of stirring emotional responses and hatred. When you google her name there are all sorts of opinions so one has to be careful not to presume that it is all correct. People do eventually find out the truth. What comes out of America is certainly extreme at times. Lets not be gullable.
There is a lot of quotes from Bible and Koran on this site. They both contain passages that are violent, to women, to homosexuals, to sinners. It led me to think of how Jesus came and put another law at work. His life showed us how he embraced the outcast, to include women in a society that was patriarchal that excluded them in many ways. Jesus presents New Covenant of peace, a Kingdom. I am a Christian, and I try to read the essence of the Bible truths but I cannot take the Bible as literal. It has violence in the Old Testament too. It contains the words of God but also words of men who were withing cultural situations that required a cultural answer at the time. ie St Paul. He himself says somewhere that the he thinks as he writes that he had the Lords mind… but it may have been his own thoughts. Lets get our good minds into some of these sorts of debates and get a hold of essence of Peace to help us live. We will never have any perfect formulas or rules set in place to live by. Never any perfect churches leaders or mosques. We are born each one of us to put into motion our decisions to see the cause and effect. We have many models and wise people who have lived to add good to this earth. The Beatitudes are a good start. Matthew 5. It wraps up all violence.
July 12th, 2010 at 4:21 am
Thanx to pisslamist leftists with your pisslamophobia!
YOU WILL TAKE OVER THOES LAND AND THEY ALL DESERVE WHAT THEY’VE GOT;IF THEY
BELIEVE YOU AND THOES PISSLAMISTS LEFTISTS ISTEAD 4 PPL LIKE HER!
SOME NEWS 4 YOUR JACKASSES;IRAN WILL BE FREE FROM YOUR SHIT SO ASIA WILL BE FREE AND I HOPE YOU GARBAGES GO BACK TO THE PLACE YOU MORONS COMES FROM
BEGIENING,back to your shitty planet!
JOIN MY WEBSITE;U PSYCHO TERRORIST!
July 12th, 2010 at 10:35 am
And the award for the most illiterate Islamophobe goes to…….MinaJoon!!!
A standing ovation for the idiot please!
July 13th, 2010 at 7:03 am
Thats great, Eye, but you forgot to explain to the interested listeners exactly why islam isnt the religion of choice – for murderers and other maladjusted types but please dont let me distract you from your ramblings.
July 16th, 2010 at 9:27 am
Sheila, I like the Beatitudes recommendation.
A Pharisee asked, Master which is the greatest commandment and Jesus said to him, “Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself. On these two commandments hangs all the law and the prophets.” Matthew 22:34-40
I may be wrong but, this does not sound like Our Lord was speaking about religions or nationalities. It sound like He was speaking about ALL of us here on this orb we call earth.
July 23rd, 2010 at 12:12 pm
I’m with BBC…what is the “truth”? I haven’t got a clue who’s right and who’s wrong. Perhaps they’re all right/wrong to a degree. But here’s my opinion:
I have no problem with muslims, christians, buddists, pagans, witches, aliens from outer space, etc. coming to North America. Afterall, North America was built by immigrants, with a some Native influence. However, we have our laws in this country…laws that should be enforced no matter what your religion may be. Honour Killings & domestic violence – a definite no-no and should not be tolerated. The Bible has some outdated “teachings” too. The Bible, the Quran, all the religious books were written by men, hundreds of years ago. Obviously no religious book or religion is perfect. It would be complete ignorance to believe that any one religion is completely correct. Western society is far from perfect but we’re trying. We TRY to ensure that human rights is at the top of our list of priorities. I’d like to think that the majority of us care about each other and live our lives with the goal of eventually, someday, having a near perfect society with no domestic abuse, little to no murders and certainly no “honour killings”. There’s no honour in killing, especially a family member (unless the person is terminally ill, in extreme pain and there’s no hope of recovery). I can’t imagine what would be going through a parent’s head as they were about to murder their own child…it’s barbaric! Even the barbarians probably wouldn’t have killed their own kin. And we do know that happens under Sharia law…we’ve seen irrefutable evidence of that done by muslim immigrants already in North America.
My grandfather was an asian immigrant in the early 1900′s. When he arrived here he understood that he was coming to North America, joining the North American culture and he decided to assimilate. Afterall, he was coming here to escape the problems of his own country. There was no sense in bringing those same problems here. He came to live in the land of the free. North American culture was obviously what he was after so why not immerse himself fully. In fact, when he recently died, we were cleaning out his house and found all kinds of “self-help” books on how to be a “North American Parent”, how to _______ the North American way. He even gave up his Buddhist religion to become Christian. I see that as going a bit far but that’s what many immigrants did back then. They knew North America was fundamentally a Christian society and they were leaving their war-torn/communist/etc. home countries for a better way of life, one that was inherently Christian. Now, in North America, because we are the land of the free, we are free to choose our own religions/cultures/beliefs, etc. but that doesn’t mean we should be able to choose the laws we want to follow. Unfortunately the Muslim religion seems to be too closely tied to Sharia Law. I think the USA and Canada need to stop being such pussies and stiffen up the immigration rules. Sure, come to America, practice whatever religion you want but you MUST obey our laws including no honour-killings, no domestic abuse, your family members must be afforded the same freedom to dress how they want without fear of violence, etc. If you can’t follow our laws, go back where you came from…if you want to live under Sharia Law, stay in your own country.
Just my opinion.
July 23rd, 2010 at 8:36 pm
Chantel
Sigh. “Honour killings” and domestic violence have no place in Islam/Shariah law either. Did you really believe that this is what the Shariah is about?
Your comments have more to do with what you incorrectly perceive as “Shariah law”, than about how Muslims understand or practice their religion.
August 9th, 2010 at 1:46 pm
What I fail to understand is why the folks behind Cordoba aren’t standing up and speaking out against all the anti-Muslim bigotry being propagated from the Right.
In college I remembered the MSA being FULL of informed, articulate and opinionated Muslims who’d speak out on things. Why don’t they go to Atlas Shrugs and argue against the anti-Muslim bigotry spewed by Geller’s groupies? Why don’t they write to the newspapers and tv news channels (even Fox News) condemning them for promoting bigotry or having the likes of Geller on their programs? There are how many Muslims in the US? If only 100 or so made a hobby of opposing anti-Muslim hate on the internet, it would trickle down (or up) to the media, and the national discourse.
How is it that someone who says THIS, gets to go on CNN or Fox and be treated like an Islamic expert:
“…it’s the Muslims who are dragging the rest of the world with them, in their genocidal dreams of annihilating goodness, creativity, production, inventiveness, benevolence, charity, medicine, technology, and all of the gifts of the Jews. Our goodness makes them ill.” – Pamela Geller, on her blog
???
August 9th, 2010 at 2:19 pm
During her recent interview on MSNBC Nonie Darwish stated…
“I am against this frenzy of mosque building…”
Later in the same interview…
[In a flusted voice] “The people who are on Loonwatch are those imams who are trying to fool the American people, who don’ want to stand up for our rights for religious freedoms in America.”
1. Nonie Darwish makes allegation Loonwatch is run by imams who do not stand up for religious freedom, but is against religious freedom herself when it comes to building mosques or cultural centers. Hypocrisy.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:15 pm
@JustAFan,
Thanks for the tip! Wow. We’ll have to do a rapid piece on that.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
@JustAFan
How did loonwatch come up in the interview?
August 9th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Oh….you didn’t know??
It pays to be an ex-Muslims/anti-Islamic…..!! It pays BIG MONEY!!
Anyone can disown Islam and cash-in for their souls in the West…..
And there will be more standing in line when the current ones are dead and buried. NO!! That’s no “death threat”. We will ALL be dead and buried one day!!
August 10th, 2010 at 4:12 am
Having read nearly all of the above comments, I came to the conclusion that this website is to be congratulated for allowing free rein to various opinions. In this regard it reflects a basic right written into the constitution of most western democracies. Freedom of expression.
It is good to see the ‘haters’ from both sides pour out their souls. But preaching hate and violence is also an offence in most western societies, the aim being to allow any person to live their own lives, free to worship their God, whether materialistic or spiritual, without persecution from extremists. This is why such organisations of the left and right are banned.
I have lived a life of total freedom, dressed as I like, worship as I like, make friends with whom I like, travel wherever I want to, married the love of my life and my choice, raised my children with the same values. But I realise that my freedom rests on the lives of the poor souls who perished fighting for these values over the last 1000 years. Mostly extremists, with their own twisted interpretation of religious texts, resulting in the Spanish Inquisition, etc.
I cannot comprehend a doctrine which enslaves women, forces them to wear a religious outfit, condones ‘honour’ killings, does not allow religious freedom, etc., etc. If such practices do exist, in any so-called religious organisation, they have to be stamped out. A man has no more rights over a woman than a woman has over a man. They are both entirely equal in God’s eyes and were created that way.
I am of course a Christian, which basically means a belief in the inspired spiritual writings of the 3000 year Old Testament, but also freedom from the excesses of the Jewish practices, such as circumcision, etc., etc.
My only purpose in writing is to try to extend the concept of peace and freedom. Our beloved Irish priest, sadly missed, often remonstrated the congregation with just one ideal – if you cannot shake your neighbours hand, be civil to all, then don’t even bother to come to Church, because you haven’t even grasped very basis of Christian ideals. I am sure the same can be said of most religions, it is the people in power who subvert these ideals.
Who is your neighbour? Everyone on the planet, Christian, Muslim, Buddhist, communist, fascist, etc.
August 10th, 2010 at 8:54 am
@ Garibaldi
Glad to be of assistance.
@ Les
Zead Ramadan brought up Loonwatch.com during the MSNBC interview and Loonwatch being as speedy as their usual selves already have a story at the address below…
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/nonie-darwish-on-msnbc-loonwatch-are-imams/
August 10th, 2010 at 4:44 pm
TNN, Jun 21, 2010
On Sunday, the family members of a girl allegedly killed her and her teenaged lover and hanged them as exhibits in their house for the village to see their “fate.”
According to police, Monika (18) and her lover Rinku (19), both from Jat families, were brutally killed for honour at Nimriwali village, near Bhiwani. The father of the girl, her brother, uncle and cousins are suspected to be behind the crime and are absconding.
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TNN, Jul 1, 2010,
The death of the Delhi-based journalist Nirupama Pathak in her Koderma home for her relationship with a boy from a different caste and the arrest of her mother shook the country that has professed to evolve a casteless society
HONOR KILLING ARE A CULTURAL THING NOT RELIGION LOOK ABOVE/\ …..CRIMES ARE THE LOWEST IF YOU LOOK AT THE STATS FROM PEOPLE THAT IMMIGRATE FROM MUSLIM COUNTRYS LIKE ASIA CHINA ME AND WHEN MUSLIMS TRY TO ASSUMILATE AND COLLAGE AND SCHOOL DEGREE ARE HIGHER FROM KIDS FROM THESE PEOPLE AND THERE IS A DIFFRENCE BETWEEN ASSIMILATE AND FOLLOWING RULES AND SELLING OUT ( LIKE YOUR GRANDFATHER WHO CHANGED HIS RELIGION THAT IS NOT ASSIMILATING ) WHEN THEY DO TRY TO ASSIMILATE AND WORK WITH IN THE SYSTEM THEY ARE TOLD THEY ARE PUSHING STEALTH JIHAD AND PUSHING ISLAMIC LAW SO ITS A A NO WIN WHAT EVER THEY DO…
August 10th, 2010 at 6:09 pm
So, there is NO correllation between Islam and the level of freedom of the native cizitens in any country they now dominate?
Look at what happens in each country that muslims ‘invade’ and begin out-reproducing the natives. The higher the percentage of muslims, the less freedoms that countries native citizens enjoy. The more muslims there are, the more dangerous that area becomes for infidels.
Read your history, both long-term and recent, with your focus on muslims and Islam.
Methinks thou protesteth too much.
August 21st, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Watch the crows! That is how u live.
August 28th, 2010 at 5:52 am
In response to noname I have probably included more text than necessary when quoting from the Bible, I chosen to do this so you can see I am not trying to take anything out of context.
The only reason that Adam and Eve were allowed to eat fruit from the forbidden tree was to provide all of us with an example from the very beginning of time that we are all created with free will, our choices every day are ours. Both Adam and Eve chose to eat, I suppose, because we are people with imperfections who doubt, fear, want more. Wouldnt the world today be so very different if Eve had gone running straight to God saying I have been told something else about the tree of knowledge. Continue on in the Bible from Adam and Eve and you have Jesus son of God who died the most horrific death simply to redeem us to make us righteous in the eye’s of our God, if we were all to look at our actions I dont know how many of us deserve heaven without that free gift from Jesus.
With regards to the whole man/female power struggle thing you seem to have happening, Eve was created as a partner not a slave but a partner, a lifelong helper. We as women are to submit to our husbands who in turn is to treat us as Jesus treated the church, Jesus died for her. When a couple marry they are to cleave together to become one, not one in front one behind but one flesh. Ephesians 6:5-9 is another nice quick verse that instructs us to do everything we do as though we were doing it for God (paraphrasing here)this covers everything we do and clearly states that God sees all without favoritism.
Ephesians 6:5-9
5Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ. 6Obey them not only to win their favor when their eye is on you, but like slaves of Christ, doing the will of God from your heart. 7Serve wholeheartedly, as if you were serving the Lord, not men, 8because you know that the Lord will reward everyone for whatever good he does, whether he is slave or free.
9And masters, treat your slaves in the same way. Do not threaten them, since you know that he who is both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no favoritism with him.
Genesis 1: 27 So God created man in his own image,
in the image of God he created him;
male and female he created them.
28 God blessed them and said to them, “Be fruitful and increase in number; fill the earth and subdue it. Rule over the fish of the sea and the birds of the air and over every living creature that moves on the ground.”
29 Then God said, “I give you every seed-bearing plant on the face of the whole earth and every tree that has fruit with seed in it. They will be yours for food. 30 And to all the beasts of the earth and all the birds of the air and all the creatures that move on the ground—everything that has the breath of life in it—I give every green plant for food.” And it was so.
31 God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the sixth day.
Genesis 2: 18 The LORD God said, “It is not good for the man to be alone. I will make a helper suitable for him.”
19 Now the LORD God had formed out of the ground all the beasts of the field and all the birds of the air. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds of the air and all the beasts of the field.
But for Adam [h] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the LORD God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs [i] and closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the LORD God made a woman from the rib [j] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.23 The man said,
“This is now bone of my bones
and flesh of my flesh;
she shall be called ‘woman, [k] ‘
for she was taken out of man.”
24 For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh.
Ephesians 5: 22 Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. 23 For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Savior. 24Now as the church submits to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in everything.
25Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her 26to make her holy, cleansing[b] her by the washing with water through the word, 27and to present her to himself as a radiant church, without stain or wrinkle or any other blemish, but holy and blameless. 28In this same way, husbands ought to love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife loves himself. 29After all, no one ever hated his own body, but he feeds and cares for it, just as Christ does the church— 30for we are members of his body. 31″For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh.”[c] 32This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. 33However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband.
Referenced from biblegateway.com New International Version (NIV)
My parting comment is our greatest gift is love, not our inane ability to blow the shit out of each other.
September 9th, 2010 at 1:03 am
The veilled fight between the christian world and Islam throws light on past history and their thirst to convert the world thinking that only theirs is the right path and all others are false.
Conversions always start diplomatically at first to portray that the converter is a good soul, yet when such foolery is not always gulped, conversions have always taken an ugly route ending up wiith the worst laws..even for their own..
The history this throws light on is of the Byzantines and the Islamists thirsted to break ancient Persia and her Religion of Zoroastrianism.Whilst the zoroastrians from having an empire ( From Archeminid of Cyrus the great to Darayus to the last sasanian empire) to being forced to flee their homeland and the subsequent break up of Persia.Armenia turning into the first christian nation….NOW 2000 years hence the Persian lands are still ravaged by wars byt and due to the thirst of this two to convert the world…
September 9th, 2010 at 1:29 am
Sadly, it is all about power and money. Religion is just an excuse, or a vehicle. The cockroaches and rats shall survive and inherit, and rightly so.
September 9th, 2010 at 11:17 am
‘Loonwatch’…hmmm…sounds so very credible.
September 11th, 2010 at 10:29 pm
Enough arguing.
To all Muslims reading here know this:
If you come to America you WILL abide by U.S. Law and will uphold the Constitution.
There will be NO SUBMISSION to Islam by America.
We don’t believe the Quran.
We abhor Mohammed. He was a terrorist. He was motivated by hate. He was only a human being and not a decent one, at that. Nothing, and I mean nothing, could be worse than for a child to be told about Mohammed and to be brainwashed into thinking he was a positive role model.
We know that Allah is the Arabic word for God and we know that Muslims love to play a word game and try to confuse people into thinking we worship the same God.
We don’t.
There is one God. Jehovah Elohim is his name. There is no other. The Allah of whom you speak is a sacrilege, the anti-God.
There is no other name given under heaven whereby one can be right with God other than the name Jesus.
Christian men and women who desired to live in liberty built this great nation.
So far, Islam has NEVER built any country as great as America.
Every Islamic republic is a totalitarian slave state that keeps its people in the dark and ignorant.
We are an open country, free and democratic. We are better than Islamic republics.
We will not have any Islamic influence in or on our government.
We are amused by the public relations offensive underway to make Shariah sound like a country club or something to be desired.
Sorry, we know better. Shariah law is the most debasing and debilitating code ever invented. It should be taken to the nearest toilet and flushed.
We will not have it here in America. We will not. We will not.
Tell your Mullahs, Imam’s and the rest of your religious leadership that they can forget trying to conquer America. It isn’t going to happen.
We’ve seen what Islam does to people. To bring that crap to our country would be a downgrade. We’re not interested in the 7th century.
We revolted to create this country and we’ll do it again.
Fair warning. Cross us and you will pay the consequence.
September 19th, 2010 at 7:25 am
@Nelson J What an ignorant hateful nut bag you are. I doubt you have ever even known anyone who was Muslim let along traveled in any Muslim majority countries. As for your claim about all of those countries being run by tyrants, how about Turkey? Did you know Turkey actually gives refugee status to gay Iranians fleeing persecution in Iran? How about Albania? Bosnia? Allah is simply the Arabic word for god, a Christian Arab would also use the word Allah. As for your paranoid conspiracy theories that someone is going to try to implement sharia law in the US, get real! Our judiciary is secular they do not recognize any religious law be it Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, etc. etc. etc. In addition, you seem to imply that this country was founded as a Christian nation or built on principles of Christianity. That too is false. Go hit the history books and do some reading about the founding fathers. Are you aware that Benjamin Franklin stated in his autobiography that while he believed there was a god he did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Thomas Jefferson stated in his autobiography: “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797 starts by stating, “As the government of the United States of America is in no way based on the Christian religion…..”
But of course, I don’t expect any of this to mean anything to you. Folks like you don’t care about true knowledge, aren’t interested in challenging your beliefs. You just look for whatever or whoever confirms whatever ignorances, bigotries and prejudices you already have. If you are really this delusional and fearful then I’m afraid that in your case the terrorists have one. That’s the goal of terrorism, regardless if it be committed by the IRA in Northern Ireland and elsewhere in the UK, by the ETA (Basque separatist group) in Spain, the November 17 group in Greece, the Beider Meinhof gang in Germany, radical Christians killing abortion providers and attacking gays/gay places or Islamic fundamentalists. They want to make you afraid. And you have allowed them to do so. I refuse to allow a handful of crazy fanatics make me afraid. As far as the US goes I will always strive to live up to the ideals of people like Thomas Jefferson, etc. I will not debase myself by falling for the hysteria of ignorant people. There is nothing patriotic, intelligent or worthy in anything you’ve written in your comment. It’s nothing more than the illogical ramblings of a terrible ignorant and fearful person. I pity you.
September 19th, 2010 at 10:08 pm
@NelsonI doubt you have ever even known anyone who was Muslim let along traveled in any Muslim majority countries. As for your claim about all of those countries being run by tyrants, how about Turkey? How about Albania? Bosnia? Allah is simply the Arabic word for god, a Christian Arab would also use the word Allah. As for your paranoid conspiracy theories that someone is going to try to implement sharia law in the US, get real! Our judiciary is secular they do not recognize any religious law be it Christian, Jewish, Islamic, Hindu, etc. etc. etc. In addition, you seem to imply that this country was founded as a Christian nation or built on principles of Christianity. That too is false. Go hit the history books and do some reading about the founding fathers. Are you aware that Benjamin Franklin stated in his autobiography that while he believed there was a god he did not believe in the divinity of Christ. Thomas Jefferson stated in his autobiography: “[When] the [Virginia] bill for establishing religious freedom… was finally passed,… a singular proposition proved that its protection of opinion was meant to be universal. Where the preamble declares that coercion is a departure from the plan of the holy author of our religion, an amendment was proposed, by inserting the word “Jesus Christ,” so that it should read “a departure from the plan of Jesus Christ, the holy author of our religion.” The insertion was rejected by a great majority, in proof that they meant to comprehend within the mantle of its protection the Jew and the Gentile, the Christian and Mahometan, the Hindoo and infidel of every denomination.” Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli, ratified by congress and signed by President Adams in 1797 starts by stating, “As the government of the United States of America is in no way based on the Christian religion…..”
But of course, I don’t expect any of this to mean anything to you. Folks like you don’t care about true knowledge, aren’t interested in challenging your beliefs. You just look for whatever or whoever confirms whatever ignorances, bigotries and prejudices you already have. If you are really this delusional and fearful then I’m afraid that in your case the terrorists have won. That’s the goal of terrorism, regardless if it be committed by the IRA in Northern Ireland and elsewhere in the UK, by the ETA (Basque separatist group) in Spain, the November 17 group in Greece, the Beider Meinhof gang in Germany, radical Christians killing abortion providers and attacking gays/gay places or Islamic fundamentalists. They want to make you afraid. And you have allowed them to do so. I refuse to allow a handful of crazy fanatics make me afraid. As far as the US goes I will always strive to live up to the ideals of people like Thomas Jefferson, etc. I will not debase myself by falling for the hysteria of ignorant people. There is nothing patriotic, intelligent or worthy in anything you’ve written in your comment. It’s nothing more than the illogical ramblings of a terrible ignorant and fearful person. I pity you.
January 19th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Nelson said, “… we know that Muslims love to play a word game and try to confuse people into thinking we worship the same God. …
There is one God. Jehovah Elohim is his name.”
Elohim is a plural formation of the honorific Eloah (See how similar it is to the Arabic, ‘Allah’?). Is that why you needed a plural form to describe your ‘One God’? And what happened to HaShem, Adonai, Shaddai and other such names from the Bible?
Are Jesus and the Holy Ghost still in the divine circle or are they out?
February 16th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I am constantly astonished at the number of so called Christians who quote from the Old Testament. Don’t they understand that the New Testament is the story of Jesus Christ, Christianity is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ and the Old Testament with its stories of bloodshed and wars etc. has no relevance to the teachings of Jesus Christ.
March 19th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I saw Nonie Darwish speak in 2006 and had no reason to think she was lying. Even if she doesn’t report every detail of her story, it doesn’t make her a categorical liar. Much of what she says, especially about Sharia Law and the inner workings of Islam are factual and reported by many other observers. Iran regularly stones women and homosexuals to death. Sometimes they’re hung on stretchy cords to make the death more prolonged and agonizing. There’s a lot of human rights abuses going on in the Muslim world – as well as elsewhere (though the barbarity of Muslim punishment affords it a special place in the conscience and consciousness of the world) – and not much attention paid to it.
The real question is: “Why would “Islamophobia” generate a profit stream? Does this hold for people opposed to Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, Hinduism, even Atheism etc.? What’s so special about those who oppose Islam? Why ARE there Arabs and apostate Muslims opposing Islam? Kind of sounds like what happens when someone leaves Scientology. (Well, Islam is really just a cult – like Scientology et al- except for the huge following Islam has. The proof is that like all classic cults, it’s very easy to join – at the minimum, there’s no study, no vetting, just say Allu Akbar three times and your in – but it’s a death sentence should you want to leave! That’s even harsher than Scientology!! lol Another sign that Islam is a cult is that Muslim’s, in what is the cleverest move of all on Islam’s part, are enjoined from criticizing fellow Muslims. This is why we don’t see terrorism denounced the way we would expect. This contsraint is beginning to loosen a bit but I’m never sure it’s real or just for show. Y’know, some PR guy figured out we expect it so they tell the spokesperson to throw in a little criticism of terrorist acts right before the predictable “whoa is us, our community will suffer attacks and prejudice because of the terrorists. We are a religion of peace.” The reason I’m skeptical is that I almost never hear a word of sympathy for the victims of an attack or any responsibility for their brethren’s henious acts, done in the name of Islam – only how the spokesperson is worried about reprisals against the Muslim community. Also like other cults, vis-a-vis the convert, estrangement from one’s family is all too common. The ummah, or community, becomes one’s “family” and the convert is encouraged to cleave to this new family, leaving their real family behind – especially if that real family hasn’t also converted to Islam. Btw, all the best parts of Islam were lifted straight out of Judaism. No lie – even Islamic scholars admit that. Too bad it’s so hard to convert to Judaism. You have to be turned down three times, study for a couple of years, and go before a Jewish court to prove you know enough and are fully committed before you can become Jewish. Maybe if it wasn’t so difficult, more people would choose Judaism over Islam.)
Could it be that historically, Islam has caused non-Muslims to feel everything from insecure to terrified? No other faith, since the Catholics engaged in the Inquisition, has caused so much fear. If that’s Islam’s intent, they’ve succeeded, brilliantly. Terrorists – yes there are other terrorists besides Muslim terrorists but it would be fatuous to claim that Muslims aren’t involved in much of it all over the world. The radical Muslims who engage in terrorism may be politically motivated, but they use Islam as their justification and inspiration. It is the context inside which they operate. If Islam wants to change people’s perceptions, they should rein in the extremists, stop calling non-Muslims “Infidels”, stop calling for the death of “Infidels,” stop abusing women, stop encouraging their children kill themselves by being suicide bombers, stop trying to impose Sharia Law on Western countries, etc., etc.
What other religion causes this many headaches for everyone? I’d like all haters of Western Civilization to go somewhere they feel more comfortable – like any country in line with their beliefs and mores. If Sharia Law suits you, there are plenty of countries in the Middle East where you’d be happy. If this is you, you have many kindred spirits in Saudi Arabia and Iran. Go there. Live your life as you want and let the rest of us live ours as we want. If our civilization is so terrible, it will fail all by itself. If that happens, be my guest – pick up the pieces and establish a new society. Until that happens, please leave us – and your women – in peace.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:06 am
@Historian
You are welcome to visit the country I originate from and see what Islam is like without the bias of Television and Books.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:55 am
Wow, so much wrong information in that comment, I don’t think I have any time to answer it all. Clearly shows that Nonie Darwish is a liar if you got such rubbish from her.
“The proof is that like all classic cults, it’s very easy to join – at the minimum, there’s no study, no vetting, just say Allu Akbar three times and your in”
Total rubbish. To become a Muslim you must recite the Declaration of Faith not “Allahu Akbar”. Anyone who has studied Islam for even a day would know that. It’s in the Five Pillars of Islam! The first one! The same five pillars of Islam taught in religious education classes to little children as an introduction to Islam.
“Another sign that Islam is a cult is that Muslim’s, in what is the cleverest move of all on Islam’s part, are enjoined from criticizing fellow Muslims. This is why we don’t see terrorism denounced the way we would expect”
Another blatant lie. People have criticised Osama Bin Laden many times — the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia likened him to a heretic in 1997. Muslims are free to criticise other Muslims if their behaviour is clearly wrong. This is evidenced by the petition in Pakistan condemning terrorists that got 62 million signatures.
“The reason I’m skeptical is that I almost never hear a word of sympathy for the victims of an attack or any responsibility for their brethren’s henious acts, done in the name of Islam – only how the spokesperson is worried about reprisals against the Muslim community”
Lies. One Example: Hamza Yusuf condemned 9/11 strongly. He called the terrorists “mass murderers pure and simple”. He denied that they were martyrs and pointed out that such people had been mentioned by the Prophet as being destined for hell. He also said “If there are any martyrs in this affair it would certainly be those brave firefighters and police that went in there to save human lives and in that process lost their own.”
I could go on. There are a lot of lies in your comment.
April 19th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
Hey, Robert where does the New Testament say it is THE new religion.
In the ‘new testament’ Jesus states that he comes not to change the Law (Jewish Law) but to confirm it. He also makes statementrs to the fact he is NOT god….(why do you pray to me? Do not pray to me but to THE father).
He also says he comes not with peace but with a sword….Finally he refers to non-jews as DOGS by saying not to give the dogs any of the scraps of food) when talking of his parables and information…How can you all honestly believe in jesus as ‘god’ or ‘son of god’ or even ‘god incarnate’.
The logic is unbelievably faulty.
September 27th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
It’s really a horrible thing this liar has done to herself and others who buy into her lies. With all her learning, she has not gone very far on the spiritual path. To lie is bad enough, but each and every time some one reads her lie, it is as if she is lying over and over again. That’s scary! What’s worst, she is blocking the truth from others. She will have to bare her burden and some of others she has caused to block the truth from. In the size of a lie there always contained a certain factor of credibility, since the mass of people will more easily fall victim to a great lie, opposed to a small one. This is an abominable lie told by this woman. I wonder how much the Zionist are paying her. No amount of money should be worth your soul. All you people who are so gullible and So ready and willing to accept this lie, go ahead and be my guest, but eventually the truth will undeceive you. This woman is being paid just as others are being paid to lie against Islam and the Muslims. This is undoubtedly a feeble attempt to discredit this beautiful way of life due to fear of change. The greed misers are loath to give up stealing people’s wealth, being able to control other countries resources at a whim, buy what they want or just take what they want, but everyone knows that change is constant no matter how we try to prevent it. There is truly a GOD and people like her and her comrades will suffer a great punishment for lying and capitalizing on it. She has tricked a lot of people with these lies, but after darkness comes the light. Women are honored in Qur’an. Muslim women were the first to be given equal rights on this planet. Sharia law is democracy but under GOD’S commands. Under Shariah Law, no one will lose their homes because they can’t pay their mortgage and rape is next to unheard of because it rarely exist due to strict enforced laws, the so called honor killings are not Islamic laws, but acts practiced by backwards people who are stuck in their customs, it not Sharia law and women circumcising is a crime and is not allowed in Islam, etc…. Why am I telling you all this? Just go read up on Shariah laws. Go to the source and check it out for yourselves and stop being easy prey of the Zionist killing machine. Go and seek truth oppose to falling prey to this Zionist Machine.
September 27th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Sheesh ‘Historian’, is there anything in your comment that is actually true? As Mosizzle points out it just proves the point of the article about Ms Darwish. If you can’t find anything objectionable in her speakings and you believe that your comment is 100% truth then you’ve nailed your own coffin.
Also, why do you all comment on old threads? And you make us real historians embarrassed, chose a different name…
November 2nd, 2011 at 9:55 am
THANK YOU NELSON J. FOR BEING STRONG AND COURAGEOUS. I CANT AGREE MORE WITH YOU.
AS FOR YOU JOHN J. I PIT YOU.
November 2nd, 2011 at 10:37 am
Cristina
There is no need to use caps all the time you know . It just makes what you say look even more foolish than the content .
I would suggest you try to read with an open mind rather than one that is closed and argue about any point you think incorrect .
November 11th, 2011 at 4:29 am
Do NOT believe the lies of the Islamophobic bigots and liars.
@Lawrence, you are a liar.
The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is NOT as they say and never did as they are saying.
The truth is that the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) saved the lives of people, spoke truth, spread justice, and is the MOST honourable and righteous man ever.
The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the MOST honourable, righteous, pious, kind, sincere, handsome, beautiful, pure, intelligent, honest, modest, and GREATEST of all God’s creation! Salvation is through him (SAW/Peace be upon him)!
The holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him) is the beloved of Allah (SWT) and is has the NOBLEST character.
The BEST man ever is the holy, pure, perfect, and infallible Prophet Muhammad (SAW/Peace be upon him)!
December 20th, 2011 at 10:22 am
For the Christians quoting phrases from the Bible, please do a favour just Google – “The Zionist-Created Scofield ‘Bible’ The Source Of The Problem In The Mideast – Why Judeo-Christians Support War By C. E. Carlson”. You will find the answer for the Islamphobia in the US and the never ending trouble in the MiddleEast and the start of the WW3.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
…for accepting Jesus Christ as her Lord and Savior. I hope her testimonies lead more people from spiritual darkness into the light.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
@Good for Her:
Um, you realize that her conversion story was not only ridden with fallacies, but also contradictory, right?
January 24th, 2012 at 4:27 am
Hmmmmm what a very interesting, and somewhat amusing site, NOT – the TRUTH is – BEFORE any modern day religion (Christianity, Islam, Muslim bla bla bla) we ALL lived in a Matriachal society (Spelling is not one of my fortes lol) – so just have a little think about that – ALL modern day religion/faith what ever BS you wish to call it put the male first. LIFE should be a JOINT VENTURE – MALE & FEMALE MAKING JOINT DECISIONS.
That’s it from me
PC
February 2nd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
It is interesting to me to see that some people think God gave Adam & Eve free will when he knew exactly what would happen when they exercised it. Do you know how dull it would be and have been for God had A & E and the rest of us remained innocent. I noticed that A & his partner( I heard her name was Lilith) were formed at the same time but apparently that didn’t work out so we had the first separation and Adam got Eve by giving up a rib. Comparing the Church to a woman is in itself kind of strange. Now Lilith went her own way and Eve got Adam in trouble by bringing him the fruit. This does not compare to a pure innocent church. And by the way how are christian slaves allowed. Maybe we know more about humans than we used to although not more than God knew. And at what time do we want to designate that piece of land now called Israel as being rightfully owned? While the Jews were still in Egypt? Before 1947? Now? What manner of barbarism is allowable to take over a place. What outside powers have the right to intercede. It must be might makes right because that is usually happens. But after all free will doesn’t enter into this activity. Someone already knows. And Christians should look in the past at their own zealots and judge Islam.
March 31st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
When I read the Koran I noticed that very frequently it commands ‘do not exceed the limits’. There are two ways of interpreting this, strict interpretation of the ‘Sharia’ or ‘do nothing which is hateful’ obey the golden rule. Taken in context in the Koran, the interpretation that do not exceed the limits means obey the golden rule is the only correct interpretation. If you look at Islam in the Golden Age, it is clear that at that time that is how it was interpreted.
Then the Mongols conquered Islam and caused the Koran and Hadith to be interpreted in the way they wanted. They wanted a strick orthodoxy which supported continued wars of conquest, so that became the ‘Sharia’ which is the Sharia of Genghis Khan, not the Sharia of Mohammed, pboh.
The same thing happened in China, where they converted to Confucianism and forced a strict Confucian orthodoxy on China. These strick orthodoxies killed free speech halted scientific thought, and froze these, then advanced, civilizations into stasis.
Nonie Darwish is exactly correct in everything she says about Islam today, she should not blame these faults on Mohammed, but on Genghis Khan, but aside from that she is absolutely right in everything she said.
None of you are Muslims, you are all liars and hypocrites. Allah knows what is in the hearts of men, he knows that you worship your own pride and vanity and do not ever care about him at all.
Enjoy your fate.
April 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I guess people accuse Islam and the Quran of blah blah blah … How much do you know about it ???? have you tried to read through it ???
THIS IS MY INVITATION TO YOU ALL … Go through it and if you ever believed that there is one thing you don’t like
April 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Dean;
I ‘accepted’ that ‘invitation’ many years ago while studying various religions and guess what? I’m a Muslim now. Now have you actually read the Qu’ran?
Jack
May 6th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
What he might wish to be a rebuttal of she says, but what he really exposes is his own antagonism toward and Israel that is threaten to extinction by the Muslims all around her.