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Rand Paul: We Wouldn’t Need Laws if Everyone were Christian

Posted on 26 May 2010 by Mooneye

Rand Paul

Charles Johnson over at LGF has a good post on Rand Paul, the victorious republican candidate and son of Ron Paul in Kentucky. At issue is his association with Christian Reconstructionist groups who espouse literal interpretations of the Bible and want to reinforce Biblical law, which on the face of it would go against the absolutist libertarian views that Rand Paul espouses.

Rand Paul: We Wouldn’t Need Laws if Everyone Were Christian

At ReligionDispatches, Sarah Posner has some more data on Rand Paul’s crackpot brand of libertarianism, which is inexplicably mixed with fundamentalist Christianity: Rand Paul: We Wouldn’t Need Laws If Everyone Were Christian.

Appearing on The Brody File, Rand Paul, who believes that portions of the 1964 Civil Rights Act need “further discussion” and may violate private business owners’ First Amendment rights, said that we wouldn’t really need laws in this country if everyone were a good Christian:

I’m a Christian. We go to the Presbyterian Church. My wife’s a Deacon there and we’ve gone there ever since we came to town. I see that Christianity and values is the basis of our society… . 98% of us won’t murder people, won’t steal, won’t break the law and it helps a society to have that religious underpinning. You still need to have the laws but I think it helps to have a people who believe in law and order and who have a moral compass or a moral basis for their day to day life.

Although Paul attends a mainline Protestant church, in his comments one might hear an echo of Christian Reconstructionism. RD contributor Julie Ingersoll, an expert on Christian Reconstructionism, once described it to me this way: “Reconstructionists claim to have an entirely integrated, logically defensibleChristian worldview. Reconstructionism addresses everything you have to think about.” In other words, as a society we should follow (preferable) biblical law, and dispense with all but a small handful of civil laws.

The younger Paul may not be an ardent Christian Reconstructionist — he may not even realize its influence on his views — but his father, Congressman Ron Paul, used to employ one ofChristian Reconstrutionism’s leading thinkers, Gary North, on his staff. North is the son-in-law of the founder of Christian Reconstructionism, R.J. Rushdoony.

Howard Phillips, the former Nixon administration official who founded the Conservative Caucus and Constitution Party (formerly the U.S. Taxpayers Party) and co-founded the powerful Council for National Policy, claims Rushdoony as his mentor. Phillips once observed, “Much of the energy in the home school movement, the Christian school movement, the right-to-life movement, and in the return of Christians to the political world, is directly traceable to Dr. Rushdoony’s work.” James Dobson, who offered a last-minute endorsement of Paul, had voted for Phillips in 1996 as “protest vote” against the GOP. Ron Paul spoke at the Constitution Party’s fundraiser in 2009, as did John Birch Society president John McManus.

The John Birch Society, R. J. Rushdoony, Gary North (who’s on record advocating the death penalty for homosexuals, atheists, blasphemers, and women who have abortions), the Constitution Party — the nomination ofRand Paul is a perfect storm of far right bad craziness, several streams of theocratic atavistic weirdness all coming together at this moment in US politics.

  • Dima

    Rand Paul is not a libertarian, at least not a consistent one. Look at his website and see for yourselves. His positions on abortion, (he supports a total ban even in cases of rape and incest and is pushing for a sanctity of life ammendment), assisted suicide (completely opposed) and stem cell research (also strongly opposed)are not compatible with libertarian ideology although they are in line with certain brands of (rightwing) Christianity. Worship of the free market and private business is also a key aspect of this brand of rightwing Christianity. (See Paul’s beyond shameless defense of BP and big coal.)

    It should be noted that Rand Paul also supports military tribunals for (alleged) “terrorists” and militarization of the border with Mexico. One problem with Paul’s statement, aside from the absence of any proof that “98% of us” won’t break the law, is that he is implicitly elevating the moral status of Christians above others. It’s also a question of how Christianity and “Christian values” law will be interpreted. Note also that Rand Paul won the endorsement of Sarah Palin.

  • Juan P

    Rand Paul is against the PATRIOT (unlike Obama then) act so he’s not that bad.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com Emperor

    Stephen, excellent comment.

  • http://www.mystic444.wordpress.com Stephen G. Parker

    I believe we need to learn not to ‘demonize’ a person because he/she has some viewpoints with which we disagree. Both Ron and Rand Paul have a lot of good things to say (from my viewpoint at any rate); a few things, though, are not so good. The same is true with just about anybody. I really disliked the policies of George W. Bush, but I imagine I could find something good about even him (grin).

    I love the libertarian emphasis on individual liberty and the antiwar principles (or principles of nonaggression). However, I believe that any defense of the right of privately owned businesses to practice racial discrimination is misguided to put it mildly. When a person establishes a business and opens it up to the public (like a restaurant), then he is operating under different rules than in his private home. A business is open to the PUBLIC, period. If Fred Phelps walked into a gay bar and ordered a drink – well, that wouldn’t be Fred Phelps, would it? But supposing he did, the owner should not be able to evict him unless Fred started making inflammatory and disruptive statements, or his behavior was disruptive. The same with David Duke in an establishment owned by a black person: if David Duke did not start making hateful statements or doing obnoxious things, the black owner should be required to serve him. If he didn’t want to serve Mr.Duke, he shouldn’t be operating a business open to the public. If an Arab Muslim wearing a turban walks into a restaurant owned by a Christian, the Christian should have no right to kick him out. If the Christian doesn’t want to serve the PUBLIC, he should restrict himself to serving meals in his house to invited guests.

    There are things, politically speaking, about Gary North that I find pretty good, and at least some things religiously. But I abhor his Trinitarian Reformed Christianity (note – the Trinitarian and Reformed aspects of Christianity; I myself am Christian in a non orthodox sense), and especially the Reconstructionist Theonomy to which he adheres. I’m not going to ‘demonize’ him on the basis of those misguided beliefs, though.

    I believe Hassan makes a valid point about the statement that if everyone were Christian, we wouldn’t need laws. I imagine there are many Muslims who feel the same way: if everyone were Muslim (at least, DEVOUTLY Muslim) there wouldn’t need to be any laws.

    If either Rand or Ron Paul started making anti-Islamic or anti-Buddhist statements, I would certainly repudiate them. But I don’t think they participate in such nonsense. Libertarians in general don’t at any rate. The belief in complete freedom of religion, conscience, and speech are vital aspects of libertarianism. Libertarians absolutely deny that the Constitution of the USA was based on the Bible and Christianity, and affirm that religious pluralism was a foundational aspect of our Constitution and nation – despite what might ‘appear’ to be the meaning of Rand Paul’s statement.

  • ConcernedCitizen

    Funny how Ron Paul was gaining in popularity before the elections, and then the media painted him as a nutcase. I am pretty sure that if he became president, the US (and the world) would be a lot better off than it is with a mainstream democrat or republican.

  • Hassan

    Eh, why is this offensive at all?

    Everyone believes that if everyone were a pious member of their religion, then there wouldn’t be any need for law or prisons. A nation of “good Christians” would likely be a much safer one indeed.

    All religions make the same claims- true piety equals goodness, and if everyone believed in accountability for their actions, the world would be a lot safer.

  • Jihan

    schmorgus,

    The Tea Party movement was started by Ron Paul. There are several Libertarians, Paleoconservatives and Independents that are active in the Tea Parties, it’s not just neocons, you know. My professor-an ardent Libertarian was one of the Tea Party spokesperson in my city last year and he is not at all like Geller, Spencer. Like I said, the Tea Parties are divided between neocon Republicans and Libertarians, Paleocons and Independents-that is why no two Tea Party events are the same. I know many Tea Party members who hate Geller and Spencer and preach to a different choir.

    I don’t know if you’re too involved with the news, but Ron already clarified the ghost writings that came to light two years ago during the time of the elections. He clarified it well on The Situation Room on CNN with Wolf Blitzer. Some people were suggesting that it might have been Lew Rockwell who was behind the racist ghost writings but if you read his writings,listen to his show and read books, it is not him either. So no, Ron is not associated with white supremacists, it goes against everything he believes in-individual liberty and free markets.

    Just because there are religious Christians who support Ron Paul (Chuck Baldwin to name one), doesn’t mean that he agrees with what they say. Plus, if you are a true RP supporter, you wouldn’t like him because he is only antiwar, you would accept and embrace him because he is a Constitutionalist.

    Peace

  • Jack

    Sorry to say, but Sarah Posner is making something out of nothing. Christian Reconstructionism is about taking biblical laws and making them into State Law and Federal Law.

    What Rand Paul is saying here, is that Christian values make him a law abiding, upstanding citizen. In fact, Christian Reconstructionism would be against his libertarian values.

  • schmorgus

    Wow Jihan you are still defending the tea partiers? After one of the Tea Party leaders called Allah a monkey god? Then he apologized to Hindus?

    As far as Rand and his father Ron go, then I was happy when they spoke out against the war, very eloquently as well, but it just so happens that their associations with White supremacists and Christian reconstructionists is beyond disturbing, it has totally turned me off.

    Then there is the issue of Pamela Geller being a keynote speaker at one of the Tea Party conferences. This is just plain sickening, and there is more I can go into.

  • ConcernedCitizen

    Interesting commentary on Rand Paul and the political establishment:

    http://www.amconmag.com/tactv/2010/05/25/a-teachable-moment-for-liberty/

  • Jihan

    Clearly, the publisher of this post has no idea who Rand and Ron Paul are. It amazes me how wide spread ignorance is. Rand Paul’s comment on the Civil Rights issue is correct. The government cannot and should NOT force private business owners whom to serve; no business owner has a right to your money just as no one has a right to an individual’s business. Should a black business owner be forced to serve a klansman because free speech is a political right? Of course not. Why should a private business be any different than some one’s home? After all, both are privately owned.

    Also, The Pauls are advocates for the Constitution and there are MANY of the Right who share their views and it is growing. The Leftists and the neocons are afraid of them and people who share their ideas which is why they are both doing whatever they can to discredit these brilliant, honest men. Of course, Ron Paul is the only one who is the most vocal about the anti war movement and is the only supporter in the House of withdrawing all troops from ALL of the countries, not just from Afghanistan and Iraq unlike the current radical, progressive president, who can’t even keep one of his promises.

    Gary North is also an extremely venerable antiwar individual who has been interviewed by Scott Horton from Antiwar.com several times. Just because these men are religiously Christian, does not mean they should be feared. So please, Stop misquoting Rand Paul. Thank you.

  • Ustadh

    Right on mindy, his rhetoric is outside the mainstream, but it is his strange philosophy that is causing this.

  • mindy1

    If he wants as many people to vote for him as possible, he should stop with the odd rhetoric

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