Muslim non-victim of non-existent Islamophobia
An irony of Islamophobes is that they are among the most vehement Islamophobia-deniers. It’s sort of like how White supremacists believe that there is no such thing as racism, that their hatred of blacks is a logical and rational enterprise. Hey, they’re just out to preserve the purity of the White race.
I wonder what goes through the minds of Robert Spencer or Pamela Geller who are making a handsome living inciting Americans against the evil faith of Islam and its suspicious adherents when they see the picture of the 44 year old father above lying in the ER after he was slashed on the job for committing the grand old crime of being Muslim.
Ahmed H. Sharif came to this country 25 years ago. He worked as a chef for 10 years, and as a cab driver for 15. Like most American Muslims, he came to this country to earn a living on the merit of his hard work and sacrifice, in hopes of providing a better life for his family.
Unbeknownst to him, there has been a movement fomenting in this country blasting an incessant message over AM talk radio, the internet, and the right-wing TV talk shows telling gullible Americans that Mooslims like Sharif and his ilk are really here to “Islamize” America, abolish freedom and democracy and institute a Taliban-brand Shariah. The recent hysteria surrounding the building of the proposed Park51 Islamic center in lower Manhattan saw that Goebelsian message rise to a deafening pitch.
Michael Enright, 21, an art student by day, and a “soldier of freedom” by night, was listening.
On late August 24th he hailed Sharif’s cab.
"Anti-Jihadi Freedom Fighter" Michael Enright
Enright greeted Sharif with “Assalamu Alaikum.” A flattered Sharif responded. Enright asked Sharif how his Ramadan was going, and a compliant Sharif explained it was going well. Enright then gave Sharif a hint of what was coming by proceeding to ridicule Sharif’s faith.
At the end of the ride, before stepping out of the cab, Enright then left Sharif a little piece of “freedom fighting:”
“This is the checkpoint motherfucker” and “I have to bring you down motherfucker,” shouted Enright.
The New York Times reports that Enright then “withdrew a Leatherman knife and reaching through the opening in the plastic divider, slashed Mr. Sharif’s throat. When Mr. Sharif turned, he said, Mr. Enright stabbed him in his face, on his arm and on his thumbs.”
Mr. Sharif pleaded: “I beg of you, don’t kill me. I worked so hard, I have a family.”
Of course, Pipes, Geller, and Spencer will tell you that Sharif only has himself to blame for being a scary Muslim:
Says ailing Islamophobe Daniel Pipes:
“Muslims should dispense with this discredited term [of Islamophobia] and instead engage in some earnest introspection. Rather than blame the potential victim for fearing his would-be executioner, they would do better to ponder how Islamists have transformed their faith into an ideology celebrating murder and develop strategies to redeem their religion by combating this morbid totalitarianism.” (Islamophobia? New York Sun, 10/25/2005)
Mr. Sharif, We sincerely hope you had some time to “ponder” that before your throat was randomly thrashed in this non-Islamophobic attack.
Says the Queen of Islamophobia Pamela Geller, founder of the pro-genocide anti-Muslim hate group SIOA:
“What hate crimes, what hate crimes, there is no documentation, there is no backlash, this is part of this narrative, it’s part of this narrative, it’s part of this Islamic narrative… There is no [anti] Muslim backlash, that’s part of this Islamic narrative, you cannot cite any hate crimes, there has been no hate crimes, America has gone out of its way to make sure there is no backlash” (The Alyona Show, RT, 07/25/2010)
Hear that Mr. Sharif? Even if you were lashed from the back for being Muslim, it’s still not a backlash because there is no such thing as an anti-Muslim backlash.
Says the (anti) Islamic “scholar” Robert Spencer and co-founder of SIOA:
“This is why the fake term Islamophobia is so dangerous: It insinuates that any reservations about Islam must ipso facto be ‘phobic.’ A phobia is an irrational fear or dislike. Islamic preaching very often manifests precisely this feature, which is why suspicion of it is by no means irrational.” (jihadwatch.org, 08/24/2010)
That’s right, what’s so “irrational” about Enright’s behavior? Islamophobia? What Islamophobia?
So there you have it folks, as the “perceptive” commentator Jonah Goldberg would say: “the supposed Muslim backlash” in America is “mostly a myth.” (Islamophobia? Not really. Los Angeles Times. 08/24/2010)
August 26th, 2010 at 12:55 am
That’s a damn good article if I ever I read one. This site keeps me sane. Loonwatch admin, accept donations already!
August 26th, 2010 at 1:05 am
Blood boiling. Fingers trembling. Trying to control. Thinking of the Prophet and calming down – aaaahhh. Sorry, but that’s what happens almost every time I think of any fellow Muslim “non-victim”.
August 26th, 2010 at 2:42 am
I am just glad he is going to be okay
August 26th, 2010 at 2:52 am
Do you know how hard it was for me to read through this article? An underpaid Bengali Muslim taxi driver trying to make a meager living – may Allah (swt) bless him. I hope his company compensates for the injuries he’s sustained. This just isn’t fair.
August 26th, 2010 at 4:23 am
Michael Enright looks like the typical nerd who got picked on at school…what a dufus!
August 26th, 2010 at 5:40 am
Allah ysallamu.
When will they start taking pictures of their crimes and selling them as postcards, just like in the lynching days?
The mistake made in much of these discussions is thinking that America culturally and politically speaking has ever in its existence been different; that anywhere in its culturral and political makeup it is capable of anything else.
August 26th, 2010 at 7:00 am
That’s why I had to write an article, “Islamophobia, it exists”
http://muslimmatters.org/2007/12/10/islamophobia-part-1-it-exists/
I wrote this more than 2 years ago… and its every bit true now:
August 26th, 2010 at 7:28 am
The NY Post has an editorial saying the anti-Islam propaganda is not linked to this crime. The man was a criminal and should not be associated with people who have genuine concerns.
It beggars belief that they don;t also point out that the criminals who carried out 9/11 , and claimed to do it for Islam, should not be associated with people who profess to have the same faith.
Double standards much?
August 26th, 2010 at 7:35 am
The insane harpy is claiming that the stabber worked for Park51, that woman has no shame.
August 26th, 2010 at 8:15 am
Epic Turd Robert Spencer is accusing him of faking it!
http://www.jihadwatch.org/2010/08/muslim-brotherhood-libelblogger-charles-johnson-blame-geller-spencer-for-leftist-pro-mosque-group-em.html
Yes, Really!
August 26th, 2010 at 8:57 am
Why should his company compensate? It would seem fair to me, morally speaking, the likes of Geller and Spencer should compensate. They ought to be held accountable for the foreseeable outcome of the hatred they spread.
It’s ironic, less than a week ago, a cartoon poked fun at the hysteria surrounding the Ground Zero Mosque by pointing out that hundreds of Muslim cab drivers circle ground zero every day.
Now it seems certain folks won’t even stand Muslims driving cabs.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:36 am
LOL @ the Islamophobic conspiracy theorists. The guy was without a doubt an anti-Muslim bigot. This was a hate crime. See here:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2010/08/enright_different_upon_return_from_afghanistan.php
Student Charged In Muslim Cabbie Slashing Kept Diary Filled With Anti-Muslim Writings
…
His diary equated Muslims with “killers, ungrateful for the help they were being offered, filthy murderers without a conscience.”
August 26th, 2010 at 10:46 am
I second jon_fsc. Why dont you folks start accepting donations to see if you can do this full time? The work you are doing at loonwatch has more impact and is more needed than whatever your day-jobs are (I think). You folks should seriously consider this.
August 26th, 2010 at 11:08 am
The best thing about Jonah Goldberg article in the NYP is that there’s a picture with what looks like a woman throwing up a “hail hitler” and the caption “Mosque opponents: Victims of hateful stereotyping.” Priceless.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_islamophobia_myth_bat1YgL8IeUom5pMxE5TsK
August 26th, 2010 at 11:33 am
I was just reading through some of the comments associated with this story on Fox News, just to see what the whack job’s reactions are and 99% either support this attack or blame liberals for it. This just shows you how disgusting and twisted the right has become. They will the downfall of this country NOT Islam.
August 26th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
This term “Islamophobia” is used as a social scientific term – for want of a better term.
For example, it is extensively discussed in Peter Gottschalk and Gabriel Greenberg’s “Islamophobia Making Muslims the Enemy” (2008) on hate of Muslims in America and in political cartoons as foster Islamophobia.
August 26th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Good post.
August 26th, 2010 at 1:36 pm
I am deeply saddened by this tragic event. Just what did he do to deserve this? May Allah protect all Muslims from these evil people.
August 26th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
Robert and pamela are freely spreading hatred and inciting violence agaisnt muslims someone has to stop these bigots and they should be tried under the hate laws otherwise there is going to be alot of more innocent people killed and alot more blood not only on the streets but all over.
August 26th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
This is really sad. On Ramadan too. Bless this man and his family. I hope they keep to their faith and will be able to accept this as a blessing in disguise, for according to the Prophet,
“When Allah intends good for His slave, He punishes him in this world (to expiate his sin), but when He intends an evil for His slave, He does not hasten to take him to task but calls him to account on the Day of Resurrection.”
Explains a lot about this world, really.
August 26th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
‘An irony of Islamophobes is that they are among the most vehement Islamophobia-deniers. It’s sort of like how White supremacists believe that there is no such thing as racism, that their hatred of blacks is a logical and rational enterprise. Hey, they’re just out to preserve the purity of the White race.’
Very well said. The Serbs too say with exactly the same logic they never committed genocide against the Bosniaks. They say there never was any such thing as genocide in Bosnia, their genocidal crusade was a rational and logical enterprise, for they were just defending themselves against jihadists and being enslaved by a reborn Ottoman Empire. And the guy who committed this execrable crime surely thinks along the same lines, that he was only defending his country against the evil moozlims.
I’m just reading about how the Spanish put down the uprising of the last Spanish muslims in Granada in the 16th century; how many of the Castilian soldiers were only mercenaries out to pillage plunder and rape; how it was not so much subversion on part of the Ottomans (they were busy afirming their position in the Balkans then) or the Moroccans (the kings of Morocco were then rather weak) but6 oppression, persecution and destruction on part of the Spanish Crown, the nobles and the Catholic church which led the Moriscos to revolt. What the Castilians did to the Spanish Muslims is exactly the same as the Serbs did in Kosovo. And the hate and contempt they felt for their victims is the same hate and contempt the Serbs feel for their Bosniak and Kosovar victims. That then those victims responded with the same degree of hatred and violence should come as no surprise; yet the anti-Muslims then and now begrudge the Muslims that. I’m not talking about the Twin Towers here; but that the Bosniaks and Kosovars have all the right in the world to defend themselves against Serb misrule, Serb persecution, Serb oppressiohn and Serb destruction as the Moriscos had to defend themselves against a corrupt and morally rotten authority that oppressed them, forced them to convert to Christianity, enslaved and robbed them and finally exterminated or expelled them. So, even in the 16th century some suggested that all remaining Spanish Muslims should be put on boats and these then towed out to sea and sunk.
It is plainly disgusting to see that this guy and the intellectual authors of his crime, the anti-Muslim hate-mongers seem to share the same sick and morally rotten attitude of the average Serb, those 19th century and medieval bigot racist murderous ideas, the same mindset the 15th and 16th century average Christian Spaniards had too! The West really has taken a great step backwards here, and it will be still greater if more gullible and ignorant people believe the venom those hate-mogers spew, which is exactly the same the Catholic priests in 16th century Spain spewed from their pulpits onto the ignorant peasant masses (some of them still do), and the same that Serb Orthodox priests continue to spew from their pulpits onto the ignorant Serb peasant masses since 1804 to this very day. And in Russia and Bulgaria too; not to forget Greece! A great step backwards, and it will eventually not lead back to the Fascist times of the 1930s and 1940s but right back to the Dark Ages.
And this little reptile Enright looks just like the criminal he is. See this expression of sullen incomprehension on his face? As if he was saying “What have I done wrong? I have done a good deed!” I have seen that same expression on the faces of many Serb war criminals.
August 26th, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Great Post Zingel! Its so sad to see this tho..These sort of attacts only make the muslim community Stronger! Thank you for the great work Loonwatch!
August 27th, 2010 at 7:26 am
The SPLC seems to think there is a general incline in the number of Muslim-hating attacks in the country:
http://www.splcenter.org/blog/2010/08/26/wave-of-hate-crimes-directed-at-muslims-breaks-out/
Then again, the NY Post insists there is no wave of Islamophobia:
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_islamophobia_myth_bat1YgL8IeUom5pMxE5TsK
Who to believe???
/eyeroll
August 27th, 2010 at 2:39 pm
@ Abdulmajid rant
Projection much ?
August 27th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
JihadBob (Spencer)
Was it not in this video (“Bullies and the Armenian Genocide – New Jihad Watch”), that you, yourself, stated that often terrorists deny their crimes and tell their victims, rather cruelly, that everything is going to be ‘alright’ and that ‘nothing’s happening’.
How come denial of the Holocaust is a crime but Muslims grievances are ignored?
Spencer, you put the HIPPO in Hypocrite.
August 27th, 2010 at 7:36 pm
@JihadBob: I don’t think Abdulmajid is engaging in Psychological Projection. Some Serbs did do horrible things to Bosnian Muslim civilians during the Yugoslav Civil War of 1992-1995. Catholic Croats were victimised, too. Cut him some slack. He, like thousands of others may have lived through that hell.
August 28th, 2010 at 1:42 am
I wonder what Spinster would say to this series of hate-crimes against Muslims for the past few weeks. If this isn’t called Islamophobia, then what is?
August 28th, 2010 at 6:39 am
jihadbob aka lawrence aka christofascist pig flamer, SHUT YER TRAP and may your hate consume you!
August 28th, 2010 at 7:46 am
@menj: “I wonder what Spinster would say to this series of hate-crimes against Muslims for the past few weeks. If this isn’t called Islamophobia, then what is?”
That whites are bigger victims of hate crimes than Muslims are.
So, I guess we would conclude the unyielding spate of anti-white bigotry in the US.
But you won’t see a cover story on that.
August 28th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Hi Robert
First of all I am glad you admit who you are . Being shy is so not you .When will Pam be so brave ?
Could you please provide evidence for your statement “whites are bigger victims of hate crimes than muslims are ”
Is is yet another of a long list of things you just make up?
First of all muslims are not a race its a religion as you well know being a self procliamed expert, so how can you compare crimes based on hate of race with crimes based on religion?
If a white muslim is abused does he or she count twice ?
What “unyeilding spate of anti-white bigotry in the US” are you talking about . Another myth although I would guess made up by the KKK as they seek to scare donations from poor white folks . So your president is black WOW but the other 40 where er are er white as you would call them.
Truth is a rare bird on your site as it lives better in an atmophere of love not hate .
love and big hugs
Sir David
August 28th, 2010 at 9:31 am
Thank you Sir David, nicely said,
That comment was stupid and Racist. by Jihad Bob.
Is this loser aware that nearly a quarter of american Muslims are native converts? Ibrahim HOoper, one of the founders of CAIR is a WASP Muslim, so is Suhaib Webb,
The Ummah is colour blind, we have all colours and races from black, white, yellow, red skinned people to almost every race on the planet, Chinese, Russian, East European, African, Arab, Asian, Oriental, mountains tribespeople, the far off oceanic islands are reporting conversions to Islam as are native Europeans.
Jihad Bob is a racist and an Islamophobe, and the reason he doesn’t show his anti-semitism is because a Jew pays his wages.
He is nothing but a media whore.
August 28th, 2010 at 10:22 am
{{Tips his hat}} Thank you BMD
August 28th, 2010 at 10:24 am
So . . . are Islamophobes like JihadBob blaming Muslims for getting stabbed by their fellow Islamophobes?
I’m not surprised.
August 28th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Every time a Muslim is a victim of a hate crime, it only serves to further undermine the cause of these Zionist instigators, who want the image of Islam and Muslims to be that of a monolithic, megalomanical terrorism, bent on war, destruction, enslavement, misogyny, lies and deception. The idea that Muslims are in fact victims is one of the many realities that is the antithesis to their cause. Their only way around it, is to either deny it (no matter how ridiculous they sound by doing so), downplay it (in spite of its significance) or make up some nonsensical conspiracy theory about it (no matter how devoid of truth it is).
The reality of Muslims being victims instead of perpetrators, also undermines the Zionist evangelical slant to Islamophobia, as they wish to see only themselves as victims in this world, since victims in their view are more often than not, on the side of good, truth, etc. while the perpetrators are more often than not on the side evil, lies, etc.
Unfortunately, the way these Zionist, anti-Musilm, anti-Islam nutjobs wish to view the world, and the way it actually is, are almost polar opposites of each other.
August 28th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Here you go, David:
WASHINGTON — Hate crimes directed against Muslims remain relatively rare, notwithstanding the notoriety gained by incidents such as recent vandalism at the Madera Islamic Center.
Jews, lesbians, gay men and Caucasians, among others, are all more frequently the target of hate crimes, FBI records show. Reported anti-Muslim crimes have declined over recent years, though they still exceed what occurred prior to the 9-11 terrorist attacks.
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Whites, Jews and Gays are bigger victims than Muslims are.
Yet, members here have already denied this fact, ie., they deny that there is anti-White racism in the United States.
Perhaps the folks at loonwatch.com should start balancing out articles on Islamophobia with the more rampant problem of Caucasian based racism.
It would only be fair, after all.
Or are some victims more equal than others ?
August 28th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
Behold how Bob the liar misrepresents facts
Jews are not attacked because they are WHITE, they’re attacked because they ARE JEWS. NOT ALL AMERICAN JEWS ARE WHITE.
Gays are not attacked because they are white, BLACK GAYS AND NON WHITE GAYS ARE ATTACKED
The only attacks that could be described as being anti white, are those that are comitted against white skinned people SIMPLY BECAUSE THEY ARE WHITES.
You lied, and now you try to cover your lie by saying gays and jews are ONLY WHITE and non white GAYS and non white Jews are not attacked?
sheeeeeeeeeeeesh,
August 28th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
JihadBob must be Robert Spenser.
And teh way he talks about whites being victims only show what he is – a Klansman, a fascist, a Nazi.
And history has shown – the crusades, the Reconquista in Spain, the Palestinian conflict, the Serb anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade in Bosnia and the attempted Serb anti-Albanian genocidal crusade – that mostly, Christians have been much more cruel to Muslims than vice versa, and no islamophobic babble can deny that.
I was fortunate not to have lived through the hell that was Bosnia in 1992-95 but I do know personally quite a few people who did. And I am allowing nobody to slight them.
And as for JihadBob Spencer and all the other evil anti-Muslim idiots who follow his 19th and 15th century ideas I say that the Cross will NEVER bring the Crescent to its knees!
August 28th, 2010 at 2:37 pm
What would please me more than that some survivor of the Srebrenica genocide would publicly slap Robert Spencer in his face just like Beate Klarsfeld slapped then German chancellor and former Nazi Party member Kurt Georg Kiesinger in his face on 7 November 1968.
August 28th, 2010 at 4:18 pm
LoL.
So pointing out that whites are victims of racism makes one a klansman.
Wow.
That’s the most racist comment I’ve heard lately.
Abdul, to cure some of the hatred you seem to have, perhaps it would be a good idea to build a church at or near Srebrenica.
You know, for understanding.
@ Muslimdoll:
I haven’t misrepresented anything. Apologies for the misunderstanding.
Attacks against Jews and Gays – both groups who are targeted more than Muslims – are not included as attacks against Whites.
So, yes. Whites, Jews and Gays, individually, are bigger victims than Muslims are.
I think it would be a great idea for the folks at loonwatch.com to highlight ‘racist’ attacks against these groups just as often they seem to do for Muslims.
After all, there are no shortage of individuals who would deny or minimize anti-White racism, as we have seen on this thread alone.
August 28th, 2010 at 5:40 pm
JihadBob
The vast majority of victims in the Islraeli-Palestinian conflict are Arab Muslims. Does that make Muslims the victims? Well, according to your logic, YES.
Of course you will never admit to this because in your mind Muslims (innocent or not) are never victims and the “Judeo-Christians” who kill them are part of a “self-defensive Crusade”.
August 28th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
NassirH:
Are whites and Jews bigger victims of racial hatred in the United States than Muslims ?
Yes or no.
Also, do you condemn the blatantly racist comments made by Abdulmajid and others in this thread ?
August 28th, 2010 at 6:18 pm
Dear Robert Spencer, I have a better idea. Let’s rather build a new mosque in Belgrade first. In fact the Serbs HAVE built a new Orthodox church on expoliated Muslim land near Srebrenica and the priest there defends and justifies not only the Srebrenica genocide but the whole genocidal serbofascist crusade. I hope someday the serbofascists will ber forced to tear it down – with their bare hands. They should not even be given a chisel but consume their fingernails. They should be paid back with the same degree of inhumanity as they dealt out in 1992-95 and with interests too. For generally Non-Muslims have always been more cruel to Muslims than vice versa. History is full of examples, like the crusades, the ethnic cleansing of Sicily’s Muslims, the reconquista in Spain, the Palestinian conflict, the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans from 1878 on, Palestine, the INdo-Pakistani and Kashmir conflicts, and of course Bosnia and Kosovo. What was the crime of Muslims? that they were there, and for teh Christians they are undesirables. That is their only guilt. Who smears them as criminals is as much of a fascist and a Nazi as those who smeared the Europeam Jews in teh 1930s and finished by exterminating them. And since you too seem to defend this genocidal crusade then I see you as guilty of it as Milosevic, as Ratko Mladic, as any Serb soldier who pulled the trigger, wielded a knife or raped Little girls young as eleven just because they were Muslims. And all and any such people are as medieval as the Spanish Christians, their kings and their church of the 16th and 17th centuries – barbarians, murderers and robbers. For what reason you have a hatred of Muslims I do not know nor do I care, but your talk is potentially murderous so I hope for your own good that we never meet in person but should you feel the need to come to Bosnia as a volunteer in the next round of genocidal anti-Bosniak crusade then I hope you will meet a very sticky end.
I am just reading a book on how the Habsburgs and the Catholic church committed ethnic cleansing in Spain in the 15th, 16th and 17th centuries, with what unremitting hate and scorn even the populace looked down on people whose only crime it was to be born of Muslim parents; and no, it was not written by some resentful Arab, but by a renowned Spanish author who researched it very carefully and used sources from contemporary Spanish chronists. it was the same the Serbs did to Bosniaks and Kosovo Albanians. The same medieval and 19th century ideas all anti-Muslims share caused this genocide, and I find it execrable that somebody would actually defend it! I would like to spit in the faces of such people weren’t it that I would then soil my spittle. I want to give them back soem of tehir hatresd, I have never believed in turning teh other cheek. And I hope their hideous unremitting monstrous hatred of people they don’t know anything about will come down over their own heads and consume them. Of such people it is written, and not only in the Muslim revelations, that their abode will be the Fire and they will be consumed in a searing flame.
As for the Bosnian Serbs my message to them is simple: learn to live with the Bosniaks ! Accord them the same respect that you claim for yourselves, then you will be accorded the same respect. For it is nothing but a dirty propaganda lie that we would want to force you to become Muslims. But like in 16th century Spain you would force us into Christianity or exile or death. You don’t want to accord us that respect, then go to Serbia and never come back! And likewise I say to you Americans, do not treat Muslims as second-class human beings! Don’t hold them hostages to what happens in other countries!
August 28th, 2010 at 8:58 pm
JihadBob, Jews and Whites probably are the victims of more hate crimes than Muslims in the US. Of course there are more Jews and Whites in America than Muslims and the hate crimes being done against those two groups are not being done by Muslims, more likely by Neonazis and nonwhites.
Muslims are probably subject to more hatred (not violent crimes), I’m sure more people in the USA hate Muslims than hate Whites or Jews.
Do you JihadBob, go on Jihadwatch and condemn people who about post their fantasies about nuking Muslims? Of course not.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Abdul, thanks for your loon, racist rant.
Nassir, your silence speaks volumes.
’nuff said.
August 28th, 2010 at 9:16 pm
JihadBob, you’re pathetic.
“Nassir, your silence speaks volumes.”
Either you were too stupid to read my comment or you were too stupid to understand what I wrote–either way your ignorance speaks volumes.
Also, what was racist that Abdul said?
August 28th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
Nassir, I agree with you that whites are bigger victims in the US than Muslims are. Disagree that there is more hatred against Muslims than against Jews or whites.
Apologies if referring to Abdul’s evil rant as ‘racist’ offended you.
Liberals have a tendency of calling the same type of rant, if one switched the names and players around a bit, as being racist.
Though I did appreciate the subtle threat against Robert Spencer’s life and Abdul’s desire to see an Orthodox church built near Srebrenica destroyed and its parishioners punished.
Abdul, three American Christians were killed today helping the people of Pakistan out after the devastating floods. I guess your wish to see Christians massacred, with interest, has been granted.
I know their deaths won’t be reported on this site since we all know that Kuffarophobia doesn’t exist.
Non-Muslim victims of hate crimes carried out by Muslims just doesn’t make the headlines, it seems.
Perhaps we need better PR ?
August 28th, 2010 at 10:17 pm
So Bob, let meget your argument in check here. You’re trying to refute the fact that there has been a spike of anti-muslim attacks recently by pointing out that “Hurr the whites are bigger victims than Muslims” Are you freaking serious? This isn’t a competition to see who’s the biggest victim genius, it’s pointing out an alarming trend that is in all likelihood a direct result of the polemics pushed at your site among others. Here’s some food for thought, why don’t you check out the ratio of Muslim-whit
August 28th, 2010 at 10:42 pm
Cynic is right. JihadBob is using a red herring.
I could say that millions of innocent Muslims have died because of Non-Muslims and I would be right. I could say that in recent decades, innocent Muslims have suffered the brunt of causalties in wars and I would be right.
JihadBob in his hatred and ignorance disagrees with both above statements.
Of course if JihadBob, like I said, believes Muslims are never victims.
August 28th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
JihadBob, do you believe that Muslims are practicing mass Taqiyya?
What is your opinion on how Spencer uses the word “Taqiyya”–like by claiming Muslims charities are deceptive and Muslims are trying to fake attacks?
August 29th, 2010 at 12:31 am
JihadBob
The reason only attacks on Muslims are covered at Loon Watch is because the site is about Islamophobia. That doesn’t mean we approve or condone attacks on “kuffar” or whatever word you used above. I cannot fathom why you are complaining, when you yourself at your own site, never highlight attacks on Muslims.
Loon Watch is not a hate site, unlike Jihad Watch. Abdul Majid didn’t make racist comments.
You bring figures of attacks on Muslims in America, then use an attack in Pakistan to make a point. Do you think that is a fair comparison? why aren’t you holding demos’s outside the Pakistan embassy over the attacks you mention? Why isn’t Geller instead of being determined to punish americna Muslims over the Cordoba House project?
Surely it would make sense to hold demonstrations outside the countries you keep accusing of exporting hatred and attacking Christians?
Are we talking of attacks on Christians in America or in Pakistan? Oh and i’ve asked Islamophobes here this, yet never an answer, why do you and the likes of lawrence/halal pork not hold demonstrations outside the Saudi embassy for “exporting hatred”
“Abdul, three American Christians were killed today helping the people of Pakistan out after the devastating floods. I guess your wish to see Christians massacred, with interest, has been granted.”
August 29th, 2010 at 12:55 am
“Non-Muslim victims of hate crimes carried out by Muslims just doesn’t make the headlines, it seems.”
You’re fucking kidding, right?
August 29th, 2010 at 10:36 am
@ Cynic:
“You’re trying to refute the fact that there has been a spike of anti-muslim attacks”
What spike would that be ? Even if there were a spike, it would be a ‘mathematical mirage’ as attacks against Muslims in the US are rare.
“This isn’t a competition to see who’s the biggest victim genius”
For groups like CAIR and members like Abdul it is.
@ Christian Zionism Exposed:
“Loon Watch is not a hate site, unlike Jihad Watch.”
Really ? Loonwatch seems to attract haters. No one here has so far managed to condemn Abdul’s hateful rant.
“Abdul Majid didn’t make racist comments.”
Ok, so pointing out that whites are victims of hate crimes in greater numbers than Muslims makes one a skinhead/Klan member.
Gee, great logic there.
BTW, I still extend my invitation for members to condemn what Abdul wrote.
Here, let me quote one of the many disgusting lines Abdul wrote:
“I hope someday the serbofascists will ber forced to tear it down – with their bare hands. They should not even be given a chisel but consume their fingernails.”
*Crickets*
“Do you think that is a fair comparison?”
For supposed progressives, it sure is.
Why should victims of attack be ignored because of their religion and the religion of their attackers ?
Your predictable response ‘but JihadWatch does it’ is rather weak after you just finished saying that JihadWatch is a hate site.
So, this site emulates a so-called hate site ?
Really ? Is that your argument ?
Good grief. The loons here never cease to astound me.
August 29th, 2010 at 11:15 am
JihadBob
We know you have respect for the hate site JihadWatch. The fact that you call Loonwatch a hatesite but Jihadwatch a “so called hate site” reveals your epic double standard.
The people who write for JihadWatch call for a “reconquest” of majority-Muslim land and think nuking Mecca is a viable option in ending conflict. They think Muslims who run centers for abused women and give charity are deceptive. These beliefs aren’t just held by the loons that congregate on JihadWatch but the people who run the hate site.
No article written by Loonwatch comes even close to the disgusting hate that pours out of Jihadwatch–in fact Loonwatch is very mainstream and welcomes people of all religions (unlike Jihadwatch), both conservatives and liberals. Abdul may be harsh on the Serbs but he isn’t calling for the killing ALL of them–something your fellow Islamophobes do quite often.
BTW, what is your opinion on Spencer’s ridiculous use of the word “Taqiyya”?
You conveniently never answered that…
Could it be that you believe in the many anti-Muslim conspiracies popular with the far right?
Also, if this isn’t a competition to see who is the biggest victim than why did you claim Whites and Jews are more victimised than Muslims in America?
I think it’s you hypocrisy/
August 29th, 2010 at 11:24 am
JihadBob
Can you condemn the arson at a Tennessee mosque site?
Abdul wanted to tear down a church built over land taken from Muslims–I personally don’t care if they built a church there–but this Islamophobe actually is using fear (terrorism?) to stop a mosque.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/37052_Fire_at_Tennessee_Mosque_Site_Ruled_Arson
Will you again judge Muslims by a standard “Judeo-Christians” can’t meet?
August 29th, 2010 at 11:51 am
@JihadBob “Even if there were a spike, it would be a ‘mathematical mirage’ as attacks against Muslims in the US are rare.”
There is no such thing as a “mathematical mirage”. You’re grasping at straws.
http://www.bsu.edu/news/article/0,1370,-1019-12850,00.html
1600% surge in anti-Islamic hate crimes in the days following 9/11 is nothing that deserves even a bogus term like “mathematical mirage”.
While attacks are rather uncommon, a sixteen-fold increase from a few dozens in 2000 to a few hundreds in 2001 is nothing to be swept under a rug. But yet compulsive liars like Robert Spencer will do exactly that, and shrieking lunatics like Pamela Geller go on TV and screech that an anti-Muslim backlash was: “NON-EXISTENT!!”
Either try harder, or stop being a hypocrite.
August 29th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
jihadbob what racist rant are you talking about?
Besides that, I don’t want anybody dead just because he is a Christian or whatever, but as for christofascist Muslim-hating scum, this is quite a different matter, and I claim self-defense because left to their own and if I had the misfortune of falling in their hands these, ah, people, would cold-bloodedly slit my throat after having me forced to watch my daughter being raped, they did that all the time in 1992, So if someone has blood of innocent Bosniaks on his hands then he deserves to be paid back with the same he did.
You defend with your words and ideas the genocidal crusade the Serbs carried out in Bosnia-Herzegovina in 1992-95 and before that in 1941-45, and which they defend and justify to this very day. I know personally several victims of this genocidal crusade who lost their homes, their loved ones and their homeland in this crusade, I share their pain and the only feeling I have for those who caused my friends such suffering, and those who spit in their faces and urinate on the graves of their loved ones are that I don’t particularly care for their lives very much.
And to your provocation to have yet another Orthodox church built in Srebrenica as a mock gesture of reconciliation, actually as a symbol of conquest, my response is that it must disappear. And that those who caused the native population of Eastern Bosnia so much suffering be paid back in the same measure. And any voice speaking out for the enemies of my brethren and for the execrable crimes they commited, most often without any provocation, must be silenced, for what you people do is not “criticism of Islam” nor “free speech” but hate speech and incitation to murder and rape. And insult to the victims of genocide.
August 29th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Yes, sphinx. It is a math mirage:
“According to the FBI, hate crimes against Muslims increased by a staggering 1,600% in 2001. That sounds serious! But wait, the increase is a math mirage. There were 28 anti-Islamic incidents in 2000. That number climbed to 481 the year a bunch of Muslim terrorists murdered 3,000 Americans in the name of Islam on Sept. 11.
Now, that was a hate crime.
Regardless, 2001 was the zenith or, looked at through the prism of our national shame, the nadir of the much-discussed anti-Muslim backlash in the United States. The following year, the number of anti-Islamic hate-crime incidents (overwhelmingly, nonviolent vandalism and nasty words) dropped to 155. In 2003, there were 149 such incidents. And the number has hovered around the mid-100s or lower ever since.”
The author goes on to conclude:
“In 2001, there were twice as many anti-Jewish incidents as there were anti-Muslim, again according to the FBI. In 2002 and pretty much every year since, anti-Jewish incidents have outstripped anti-Muslim ones by at least 6 to 1. Why aren’t we talking about the anti-Jewish climate in America?
Because there isn’t one. And there isn’t an anti-Muslim climate either.”
August 29th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
@ Abdul:
“jihadbob what racist rant are you talking about?”
What is racist to point out that whites are bigger victims than Muslims are in the US ? Where is the media to ask questions if the United States is Euro-phobic ?
“And to your provocation to have yet another Orthodox church built in Srebrenica as a mock gesture of reconciliation, actually as a symbol of conquest, my response is that it must disappear.”
Sounds like a great idea, actually. Build that Orthodox church as high as gravity can hold it. So it can be a symbol for peace and reconciliation to all who crane their necks out to the sky. Have the church bells heard for miles in the distance. Let no one forget that Christianity is a religion of peace.
But it is interesting that building a church is an act of provocation. Perhaps the irony is lost to only a few, more vocal members here.
“you people do is not “criticism of Islam” nor “free speech” but hate speech and incitation to murder and rape. And insult to the victims of genocide.”
I’m sorry to point this out to you, but hate speech is protected speech in the United States.
August 29th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
What is your point JihadBob? That there isn’t either an Anti-Muslim or an Anti-Jewish climate in America?
The article is about an attack on a Muslim by a man who had an anti-Muslim diary. An Islamophobe killed a Muslim, anyone surprised?
Also, who commits the vast majority of anti-Semetic hate crimes in the US and Europe? Obviously White Supremacist groups like Neonazis.
Also, I would like it if you answered my posts.
August 29th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
JihadBob, do you think 28 hate crimes jumping to 481 hate crimes is a mathematical mirage! Where did you go to school? Did you learn math from Robert Spencer? He isn’t exactly a genius.
In that case the Israel causalties compared to the Palestinian causalties represent a mathematical mirage; as the number of innocent Muslims dead in the conflict far (by the tens of thousands) outstrip the vice cersa.
You are sooo pathetic. lol
And stop trying to use Abdul as a red herring. It’s is sad really. We all know you can’t refute the articles posted on Loonwatch.
August 29th, 2010 at 4:30 pm
Pointing towards anti-Jewish hate crimes (which are just as deplorable) in no way diminishes a sudden jump of hate crimes against Muslim people. And besides, there’s no use denying some sort of anti-Muslim climate in the US when people like Pammy Geller keep getting a bigger platform to screech on how awful Muslims really are, while Bob Spencer has articles posted at his site by that idiot Marisol trying to create fear against regular Muslims, because seriously.. You can’t trust any of them *cough*.
When confronted with numbers you pull absurd concepts like “mathematical mirages” out of God-knows-where and acknowledge them while denying them at the same time. When innocent Sikhs are mistaken for Muslims and murdered because you Islamophobes are too friggin stupid to tell the difference, then yes, something is deeply wrong. What do you intend to achieve by claiming the opposite?
But hey, you just want to stick to the narrative: Muslims bad, never were right, never victims, deserve no sympathy, should all go to hell. You’d do us all a favour by just admitting it, instead of us going through the trouble of proving it for you by your own dratted statements.
August 29th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
@JihadBob
A spike is a spike…no matter how rare said attacks are. And you can’t be serious about your “mathematical mirage” concept. Your arguments hold absolutely no water. Why don’t you stop pointing fingers, as you were the one who pointed out that whites are a bigger victim than Muslims (fun fact: their population is is multiple times that of Muslims), and not Abdul or CAIR. So let me ask you, what do you prove with your half-assed responses? That you can only engage in tu quoque and point out irrelevant and illogical things is my best bet.
August 29th, 2010 at 9:14 pm
Ouch…
JihadBob, you got burned by our hate-phobic logic and facts.
August 30th, 2010 at 2:45 am
Since when were ‘white’ and ‘Muslim’ exclusive? Some of those attacks on ‘whites’ would include attacks on Muslims, either ethnic Albanians, Bosniaks, Poles, Greeks, Macedonians and the like, or more recent ‘white’ Euro-American converts. That’s not counting the fact that census data probably would include many Arabs, Persians, South Asians and such as ‘Caucasian’.
I think this exposes JihadBob as just another white racist. Like so many of the tea party ‘activists’. It’s not about terrorism, it’s not about 9-11. What it is REALLY about is hatred for Islam, hatred for ‘foreign’ cultures, hatred for everyone who is ‘different’ from you. You want to cry about these ‘unpublished’ crimes against whites? About multiculturalism and the big bad ‘left-wing’ media? Well then, you are starting to become more and more like the people on stormfront and other racist sites.
I’m an American Muslim. I’m proud of what I am. You… seem frightened by it. Tough luck, though, cause I’m not going anywhere.
August 30th, 2010 at 3:31 am
This guy is worth his weight in gold. Max Blumenthal’s latest gem about Geller and her Islamophobia.
Blumenthal is one of the best sources for exposing the Christian Right and the neo cons like Geller. His father (Sidney Blumenthal) was the power behind Bill Clintons throne, hence his connections for information are invaluable. He is also a contributor to Al Jazeera.
—————–
Neocon Pogromist Pam Geller Attacks Her Allies And Supporters. Why?
http://maxblumenthal.com/2010/08/neocon-pogromist-pam-geller-attacks-her-allies-and-supporters/
After working tirelessly to inspire a nationwide pogrom against Muslim citizens of the United States, the leading online race hustler Pam Geller is pantomiming outrage about a video showing her supporters harassing and nearly assaulting a black man they mistook for a Muslim at the rally against the construction of the Cordoba House Islamic center on August 22. Geller’s reaction to the video was couched in a typically unhinged tirade against me; she described me as a “kapo” and “notorious Jew hater.” Geller then claimed, “I have no idea what this rally is,” and went on to attack the heavily-promoted, well-publicized demonstration as a “half-assed effort,” calling it, “harmful to the cause of freedom of expression.”
August 30th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
@ NassirH: “What is your point JihadBob? That there isn’t either an Anti-Muslim or an Anti-Jewish climate in America?”
Yes, Nassir. I believe that was the author’s main point. Additional arguments the author made is how overblown hate crimes against Muslims really are in the US and the media has political axe to grind in delivering a narrative that the US is ‘Islamophobic’.
By the same logic, if America is ‘Islamophobic’, then we’re Nazi Germany when it comes to hate crimes against Jews. There are six times as many hate crimes against Jews than there are against Muslims, for those whining over ‘ratios’.
And if we’re so virulently Antisemitic as a society, then why doesn’t the mainstream media highlight the disturbing levels of Antisemitism in the US ? Why doesn’t Newsweek or Time feature a cover story asking if America is an Antisemitic nation ?
If Christians carry out terror attacks in the name of God and blow up a few Americans tomorrow, will the President address the nation on live television and assure all of us that Christianity is a ‘religion of peace’ ?
Will the media warn over the impending wave of anti-Christian attacks that’s just right around the corner ?
Are there any ‘loonwatch’ websites for anti-Christian bigotry on the part of the Left or in the Muslim world ?
Do Leftists ever go out of their way to repeat Christian talking points after an abortion clinic is blown up ? And if you don’t agree with these Christian talking points, will Leftist bloggers claim you’re a ‘Christiano-phobe’ or a ‘racist’ ?
I doubt you could answer ‘yes’ to any of these questions.
August 30th, 2010 at 1:56 pm
@ Zakariya Ali Sher: “I think this exposes JihadBob as just another white racist.”
Funny how you would assume I’m white.
I couldn’t help notice the subtle (yet acceptable) racism in your comment.
I believe you’re the fourth member accusing me of being a racist – yet no member here has managed to condemn Abdul’s screed.
Care to re-produce the comment I wrote that was racist ?
Funny how members will heroically come to Abdul’s defense. Of course, none of his supporters will condemn his threat on Robert Spencer’s life, his rant and rave on how ‘evil’ non-Muslims (particularly Christians and ‘Zionists’) are or his desire to see Christians paid back ‘with interest’ including his comment on wanting an Orthodox Church *DEMOLISHED* and its members physically punished.
For a comparison, imagine the cries of ‘racism’ and ‘Islamophobia’ if someone here expressed their support for demolishing Finsbury Park Mosque (the mosque that held annual celebrations of the 9/11 attacks). I guarantee everyone here would have condemned such a statement, let alone have defended the poster.
But here, the racist views of the members have been fully exposed.
If you hold a contrary opinion, then you’re automatically accused of being a ‘white racist’ (‘Klansman’, Neo-Nazi, etc). Unbelievable.
The sheer amount of racism and hate held by members here and the acceptability and impunity the members feel they have in expressing their views is shocking.
August 30th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
JihadBob you’re sooo funny! Someone calling you accuse us of racism and yet you are the one who played the race card in the first place!
“So, I guess we would conclude the unyielding spate of anti-white bigotry in the US”
I noticed you never answered my other questions, probably because they would reveal your lunacy.
Many Muslims would be considered white: Bosnians, Albanians, Circassians, Chechens, Tartars, etc. Besides what does white, brown, or black mean anyway? Turks are fair skinned for the most part and many have brown hair and green or blue eyes. Many Arabs, Persians, and Afghans have those traits. Many people from Central Asia have East Asian features. Many Berber people look alot like blacks.
Stop trying to play the race card, especially since right wingers accuse “Leftists” of doing it. It is very hypocritical.
Coming from a guy who thinks a jump from 28 to 481 hate crimes is a “mathematical mirage”, I’m not surprised.
Also, I don’t think anyone should kill Spencer, it would make him a martyr. It would be easier to ridicule him and reveal his outright lies and disinformation.
August 30th, 2010 at 2:57 pm
Why do you let that hateful hypocrite poisonous idiot jihadbob rant and rave here so much? His rant is conductive to hate crimes and if some hate crime can be traced back to his rant I guess it would be all right if someone paid him back in the same coin. I find it incrfedible that in our times there are people who have the same views about Muslims as the 16th century Spaniards had; even back then there were some influwential people like the bishop of Valencia who said “put them in boats and tow them out to sea and sink them” or “castrate all their males, even the children” in the end they “just” robbed them of all they had and deported them. No different than today’s Serbs with their medieval ideas. But that there are Americans who think that way is an outrage, a scandal. For me, they are not true Americans, and they would have Benjamin Franklin, Abraham Lincoln and FDR spinning in their graves.
So it is all right for Christians to hate Muslims but not vice versa. What he says about building a huge Orthodox church at Srebrenica is beyond good and evil. He is against my wanting to tear it down but he conveniently sweeps under the carpet that 1) there was always an Orthodox church in Srebrenica, and as long as the Bosiaks, the Moozlims controlled Srebrenica it did not receive even a scratch (nor should it). As soon as the Serbnodfascists moved in and slaughtered 8.347 men and boys (and I think that unspeakable idiot will deny that too) they razed all the mosques. 2) the one I am talking about was built illegally on land robbed from Muslims, and therefore it should be torn down. The cruelty of this expropriation is so great that I wish those who did it be paid back with the same. I think that tearing down a church that was illegally built on land that was stolen from its owners because they were Muslims is perfectly justified but this idiot will not just see the point. Most surely he doesn’t even know where Bosnia, of for that matter Srebrenica is, nor does he care. He surely does not know any Muslims but rants and rants about them all the time. He talks of the conquering people building a church on conquered ground as a “symbol of peace and reconciliation” when all he say is only hate, hate , hate.
Jihadbob, calling you a Nazi would do you too much honor. You are one pathetic simple soul and I don’t know what is worse, your blind idiocy or your blind hatred. You think you are sooo great but you are not. You decry “anti-white racism ” and then you say “What makes you assume I’m white?” For how stupid do you take us? Let me wise you up buddy I have more education and knowledge than you could ever get if you lived to be 200 (God forbid!) Woe betide us if you and your tea party friends would ever gain power for then you would start a crusade against Muslims worldwide that would make Hitler look like Albert Schweitzer, and the Japanese militarists of WWII like angels.
You say Christianity is a religion of peace, but the way it has treated the Spanish Muslims, the Africans it enslaved, the Native Americans in both South and north America, and the Australian Aborigines; then the way Christians behaved against Muslims is but one example in a pattern that repeats itself time after time after time; one of pure hatred and vicious destruction combined with incredible cruelty and violence. What is the difference between what the Spaniards in times of Philip II did to the Spanish Muslims in Andalusia and to the last Incas in Peru, what the French did to Algerians during the Algerian war of independence, to what Serbs did to Bosniaks and Kosovo Albanians. None, none at all. History has shown that Christians in the name of Christianity did more cruel and horrible things to non-Christians than vice versa. Christianity may claim it is a religion of peace ands love, that’s what they always preach but never practice (except maybe for mther Theresa; but for me the more true representative of Christianity is Francisco Pizarro); that’s what they taught me when I was a kid and I did not fall for it even then. What people like you show is only murderous, immense, blind hatred. Pure hate, hate, hate. I hope you will choke on it. Boil in your self-righteous anger and burst a blood vessel. You minus man. Come on, will you glorify Radovan Karadzic or Ratko Mladic in one of your next rants? Man, when I read the serborthodox fascist Russian press with their anti-Bosniak rant I could think you are one of them. So Ejup Ganic was cleared (for ther third time! ) of all war crimes charges, yet these idiots still pigheadedly maintain he is an evil war criminal because he was allegedly in charge when a Serb military convoy was attacked – during the war, no less – and maybe a handful of Serb soldiers were killed; and they conveniently forget that their own Mladic is respopnsible for the deaths of over 80.000 Bosniaks, 8.347 alone at Srebrenica, and not counting those who died of hunger or insufficient medical care. Maybe you would like to come to Bosnia next time to take part in the next round of genocidal crusade; and if not, if you find an excuse for not coming, you are only a parlor pink, er, brown, only blah blah blah and nothing behind it, 10% evil, 90% hot air, but I will be waiting there for you, and next time around we will not be led like lambs to the slaughter as in 21992-95, you can be assured of that. We will give you a very warm reception indeed.
The way you talk you could very well be the intellectual author of the execrable hate crime committed by that moron Enright and if it can be traced back to you I hope somebody will pay you back for it. As for that idiot Enright I hope they lock him up for 300 years and somebody will stab him in jail, with one of their homemade blades which is much more painful.
If Nelson Mandela could defend the Black South Africans’ right to fight their oppressors with violence if need be, then I do not see why I should turn the other cheek. Actually that too is a feudalist invention to justify why the poor and defenseless folks must always be kept in the hole. Like “Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s” ha ha ha, when that was written, all coins had Caesar’s effigy on them, so all were Caesar’s, and today all currency has a state emblem; it means submit to all taxation no matter how unjust!
I know Christian religion and I know Muslim religion and as for me there can be no doubt which one I consider better, and I would not give it up if you tortured me and threatened me with death. Like my Spanish brethren of the 16th century and my Bosniak brethren of today. We face the same enemy with the same ideas.
And with that I have devoted more than enough time to an unspeakable evil idiot.
August 30th, 2010 at 4:00 pm
JihadBob,
You have no regard for the rules of commenting here, then cry “censorship” when your comments that violate them, don’t get posted, yet when they do, they’re dodgy.
You deliberately incite others, either against Muslims, or against you, with your nonsense, and then play innocent when there’s a reaction.
You are a charlatan and a mischief-maker.
The good news is, anyone with any common sense, can see right through you. The bad news is, it isn’t everyone.
August 30th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Awesome, you got it right. This guy jihadbob, like the rest of them, is nothing but a charlatan and a mischief-maker. I can see right through him. For me that guy is none better than Hitler or Karadzic or Geert Wilders. The world woudl be better off if such unspeakable jerks had never been born. Unfortunately his words are conductive to hate crimes.
Nevertheless if someone killed him (and mad dogs must be killed) he would be undeservedly made into a martyr like that idiot Theo Van Gogh was. At least we would be rid of his disgusting and preposterous babble. Now if somebody would give him the thrashing of a lifetimne he so richly deserves that would be something else, now wouldn’t it? But still better is to expose and show him for what he is and ridicule him. Such people, exactly like the sadistic ogres of WWII and of the Bosnian Serbs are only powerful if people fear them; if they do not fear them they will quickly drag their tails between their legs and run away.
Like I said this guy is just a parlor pink, just blah blah blah and hot air. He is probably harmless. But his speech is not. Even though most of the time he does not know what he’s talking about. I have come across many such guys on other forums concerned themselves with the Bosnian genocide, and they all continue to peddle their ideas that there is no islamophobia and there never was an anti-Muslim genocide in Bosnia and in Kosovo, that the Serb or generally teh anti-Muslim cause is just and holy, they only defended themselves, they never did anthing wrong, it’s all the Bosniaks’ (the Moozlims’) fault and so on and so on at enless nauseam, just parroting their master Karadzic who denied all those things at exactly the same time everybody could see them happening. Trying to convince me that black is white, the Earth is flat, pigs can fly and 2+2 = 5. Such people disgust me. I do not think I care about their lives or well-being very much. And those who actually committed crimes against Bosniaks are like mad dogs, rabble, good-for-nothing, evil jerks who never did one single good thing in their lives but were given an AK-47 and terrorized people who never had done them the slightest thing in their lives except being more industrious and therefore well off and thereby causing their envy. The Michael Enrights of Bosnia and Serbia were let loose on a helpless population whose only crime was being Muslims. And what pathetic characters those evil guys always are. Himmler was so squeamish he fainted when he saw blood. Karadzic looks so pathetic when stripped of the attributes of his ill-gained power. That guy Enright looks so sullen and confused. What jihadbob looks like I will better not speculate on.
One must never forget that in the case of the Bosnian Serbs it was their leadership and their church who gave them the ideological basis for their hate crimes. Just like that guy Enright has not the intellectual capacity of thinking up such a thing, others did it for him.
And when I said I hope somebody stabs him in jail, I was not thinking of some Muslims doing it because he is an anti-Muslim but rather just any other guys, be they Muslim or whatever, for him being a jerk, a complete asshole, and even that is too good for him.
Yet watch out and don’t let the far right take over, for then they will make the Third Reich or the Gulag look like a kiddie camp in comparison.
August 30th, 2010 at 7:47 pm
@ Abdul:
“You say Christianity is a religion of peace, but the way it has treated the Spanish Muslims, the Africans it enslaved”
That’s pretty funny Abdul. I seem to recall these perfect Spanish Muslims you keep on bringing up massacring African Muslims, women and children alike.
But perhaps you just haven’t gotten that far into that book on Spain you’re currently reading.
If you want to play a game of tit-for-tat, I have no problem going down memory lane to bring up the sacking of Istakhr, where 40.000 Kuffar were slaughtered by the armies of the ‘rightly guided butchers’ as they leveled an entire city using siege weapons and cut down families with the sword, the mass murder and enslavement of the inhabitants of Dvin, Bahnassa, Nikiu, Caesarea, Constantia (Cyprus) and countless other cities and towns ravaged by Islamic conquerors.
And this is within thirty years of prophet Muhamamd’s death !
I’ll be more than happy to cite every instance of early Muslim atrocity I can find and compare it to the worst excesses of Christian history. Say, perhaps, to the crusades ???
I think we’ll find that the first generation of Muslims were no better than those ‘evil’ crusaders you’re fond of harping on about. Perhaps then, you’ll realize why non-Muslims dismiss Muslim claims that Islam is ‘the religion of peace’.
After all, you can’t accept that Christianity is a religion of peace because of its historical record, so how could you blame any one else for doing the same for Islam when it was at its purest ?
August 30th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
@ Nassir: “Stop trying to play the race card, especially since right wingers accuse “Leftists” of doing it. It is very hypocritical.”
LoL !
How many members in this thread alone have managed to call me a ‘skinhead’, ‘klansman’, ‘white racist’, ‘racist’, ‘mischief maker’ and ‘charlatan’.
And you want to lecture me on playing the race card ?
Good grief, son!
August 30th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Race card my ass JihadBob! Calling you a charlatan isn’t playing the race card–although I wouldn’t expect you to know.
You want to lecture us on the race card? Well first of all you can’t because Muslims and Loonwatchers consist of every race–and are obviously far more diverse than the loons on Islamophobic hate sites.
Also, wasn’t it you who mentioned “So, I guess we would conclude the unyielding spate of anti-white bigotry in the US…” in the first place?
You were the one who played the race card first.
Skinheads and Neonazis are both Islamophobes that play the race card. You have to forgive some of us for mistaking someone who played the race card as shamelessly and irrelevantly as you as one.
Now run along to your hate site and remember not to condemn anyone for calling for the slaughter of ALL Muslims–cuz you’ll get censored.
PS: The fact that you simply ignored many of my questions is revealing…
August 30th, 2010 at 10:48 pm
JihadBob,
Anyone can check out the first 30 years of Islamic history here:
http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/
You offer nothing, besides an anti-Muslim, anti-Islam spin. For intellectuals, the only thing your spin is good for, is entertainment.
At this point, I, and the rest of the loonwatchers here, have more claim to scholarship on Islam, than Spencer does.
August 30th, 2010 at 11:01 pm
@ JihadBob: I don’t know where you’re getting your history from, but if its from Spencer and other racists, then maybe you should get some new books. The Moors – that would be the Muslims in Spain (most of whom were of African descent themselves) – were generally tolerant and enlightened rulers.
I have NO idea where you get the idea that the Moors were slaughtering African Muslims. As I said, most of them were of African descent themselves (albeit having been living in Europe for centuries). In fact, quite the opposite. The Almohads, or Muwahiddun as they are known in Arabic, were a fundamentalist dynasty from Morocco who overthrew the previous Almoravid dynasty and took over al-Andalous for themselves.
It was AFRICANS who conquered (or re-conquered) Muslim Spain, not the other way around.
Maybe you haven’t read that closely on the history of Spain, Bob, or maybe you are confused because you are getting your “facts” from the wrong source. Perhaps you are thinking of some other, much later, incident. Like the collapse of the Songhai Empire, maybe? Songhai was a black African empire that dominated the Sahel region of West Africa in the 15th and 16th centuries. The Songhai were, and still are, predominantly Muslim. They built the Islamic university at Timbuktu for instance, and controlled the salt trade from Taghaza for centuries.
Needless to say. Wealth and success attracts rivals. Arab, Berber and Jewish traders from the north were well acquainted with black Africa, but they had never been able to dominate trade. Instead it was the Touareg who controlled the trans-Saharan trade routes. Morocco, under the Saadi dynasty at this point, sent a military expedition to conquer Gao (the capital of the Songhai Empire) in 1591. The expedition was led by a SPANIARD, albeit a Spaniard loyal to the Saadi dynasty.
The irony is that this was one Muslim state (or Muslim majority state) conquering another Muslim state. It has little to do with race. Previous Maghrebi dynasties like the Almohads had no qualms about conquering fellow North Africans/Mediterraneans in al-Andalous. And, in fact, the black Songhai, Fulani and Mande were probably wealthier than their co-coreligionists in the north, as West Africa had become very wealthy in the trade of gold, slaves, ivory, copper, salt and other luxury items to the Mediterranean. This is an example of greed, plain and simple.
If you want to examine history, lets look at something that has absolutely nothing to do with Islam, because it happened well before the birth of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). Are you familiar with the Visogoths, the Germanic tribe who dominated Iberia before the Moors? What you may or may not realize is that all of the Germanic barbarian tribes were invaders from the east. They were not native to Iberia, or Western Europe in general.
So you probably shouldn’t be surprised to learn that another tribe had reached Iberia before the Visogoths (lit. Western Goths). They were called the Vandals, and contrary to modern views on the barbarians, they were very cultured civilizations. The Vandals in particular were accomplished shipbuilders. They, like most of the barbarians by the 5th century, were Christian. BUT the Vandals had adopted the ‘wrong’ kind of Christianity.
They followed a version called Arianism, after the Armenian Bishop who first formulated it, which denied the Trinity and taught a rather more humanistic side of Jesus. Guess what that meant? The Church in Rome labeled them ‘heretics’ and the Vandals had relatively poor relations with the other Germanic tribes. The larger and more powerful Visogoth civilization actually drove the Vandals out of Iberia, but being master seafarers, the Vandals simply resettled in Roman Africa (the modern day Maghreb region).
Now, the Romans had never really penetrated inland. They mostly settled along the fertile coastline, and stayed in their cities. The population was Roman or Romanized Africans (Berbers who had chosen to move to the cities, adopt Latin, etc). As could be expected, these Romans were staunchly anti-Arian. To their credit, the Vandals left the Roman infrastructure intact, but they did kill the more vocal of the Roman Archbishops and established and officially Arian state in North Africa.
Of course, the Romans in the East (whom you would call Byzantines) couldn’t tolerate this. They launched the Vandalic Wars in 533 as part of their campaign to reconquer the entire Mediterranean. Remember that the Byzantines (legitimately) saw themselves as the heirs to the Roman Empire of classical times. They were also orthodox Christians, so there was a religious motive. The war itself is well documented by the contemporary historian Procopius Caesarensis if you are interested in reading about it, and the atrocities committed during said wars.
Suffice to say that at the end of the war, the Eastern Roman Empire had crushed the Vandals, intermarried into their nobility and conscripting the men to serve on the eastern frontier. They vanished as a distinct people. The Byzantines held North Africa and the entire Mediterranean for about a hundred years, until the Islamic conquests which Spencer focuses so much on. However, he is intentionally ignoring what happened before, and I think you can see why.
August 31st, 2010 at 10:58 am
Bah, leave that guy jihadbob alone with his half-truths and pseudoscientific spin, he is just one malevolent idiot, if you respond to his provocations he will only say more outrageous and fantastic things; it suffices to know that the Cross will no more bring the Crescent to its knees as it did in Spain from 1492 to 1614. After all the Catholic Church has long since given up any military agendas it had against Islam. As for the Serb or the Russian Orthodox church I ‘m not so sure but this is not of importance here. Anyway, the Cross will never chase teh Crescnt out of Bosnia no matter what all the anti-Bosniak jerks say.
August 31st, 2010 at 4:31 pm
@ Zak: “I have NO idea where you get the idea that the Moors were slaughtering African Muslims. As I said, most of them were of African descent themselves (albeit having been living in Europe for centuries). In fact, quite the opposite. The Almohads, or Muwahiddun as they are known in Arabic, were a fundamentalist dynasty from Morocco who overthrew the previous Almoravid dynasty and took over al-Andalous for themselves.”
No surprise. Another wanna be scholar.
Abdul, read and weep:
http://books.google.com/books?id=3IdlPgY2wn0C&pg=PA67&lpg=PA67&dq=ibn+hud+atrocity&source=bl&ots=yLSv6dJewx&sig=uMRIucBgVIPr8c5fcxuyBWtonEM&hl=en&ei=GH19TNH2EMGjnAfZ6L2dCw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CBIQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false
August 31st, 2010 at 4:50 pm
@ Nassir: “Also, wasn’t it you who mentioned “So, I guess we would conclude the unyielding spate of anti-white bigotry in the US…” in the first place?”
yes, absolutely. Whites are bigger victims of hate crimes in the United States than Muslims – that’s according to the FBI.
Remember, I was called a skinhead for pointing this factoid out.
But it’s good for reminding some here that outside of their fantasy land, non-Muslims, not Muslims, have more to fear.
So, have I played the race card by pointing this fact out ? Well no, I haven’t. I simply stated something that was factually accurate and I have no problem stating it again and again – Whites, Jews and others are bigger victims of hate crimes than Muslims are.
Am I demanding the President to address Americans on national television to tell them that Whites are peaceful or that Judaism is a religion of peace ? Do I want the media to condescendingly inform Americans that Christian extremists are a tiny minority and that most Christians are peace loving ? Do I want the PC brigade to come down on anyone who doesn’t accept the media and government’s mantra of a peaceful Christianity ?
Well no, I don’t. I don’t know where you got that idea from. I’m afraid you’ve been reading too many other posts because I certainly don’t believe that. I could care less what other people think – I only pick on Abdul because of the self-righteousness of posters here. There’s no doubt that there would be calls of ‘racism’ ‘Islamophobia’ and a lot worse if anyone advocated the demolition of Finsbury Park Mosque and the brutalization of its members. Obviously, he is one of many wackos who infest this site.
But hey, this is the only format that people like him and you actually matter. So I’m cool with that.
August 31st, 2010 at 5:30 pm
@JihadBob
First of all–JihadBob–everyone knows that your feelings have been hurt because you made yourself look like an idiot. We know you responded to only part of mine and Zac’s comments because you wouldn’t stand a chance against the bulk of what we posted–it’s obvious especially because of your baseless nitpicking and outrageous claims.
Here is a factoid for you. Believe it or not, there are more Whites in America than Muslims!
I know, it sounds crazy–like Stealth Jihad–but it’s true! Now you may be thinking that 2-7 million Muslims need to have the same number of hate crimes commited against them as the number commited against 228 million Whites (thousands of whom are Muslims–I say this to annoy you) but that is just your epic double standard at work.
Here is another example of your hypocrisy–”I only pick on Abdul because of the self-righteousness of posters here”
Coming from a guy that frequents sites that call for the death of 1.5 billion people and still retain their false sense of moral superiority, it means nothing!
“There’s no doubt that there would be calls of ‘racism’ ‘Islamophobia’ and a lot worse if anyone advocated the demolition of Finsbury Park Mosque and the brutalization of its members”
So you think that if someone calls for “the demolition of Finsbury Park Mosque and the brutalization of its members” there shouldn’t be outrage?
Yet another difference between you and rational people.
Loonwatch is a mainstream site whose mission is to confront anti-Muslim bigotry and bigots (someone’s gotta do the dirty work). The worse comments made on here are usually better than the “best” comments made on Jihadwatch. And I’m saying that knowing the anti-loons dedicated to Loonwatch are far, far more tolerant than the loons dedicated to one of your hate sites.
Playing that race card kinda backfired? Didn’t it JihadBob?
August 31st, 2010 at 5:47 pm
@ Nassir: “So you think that if someone calls for “the demolition of Finsbury Park Mosque and the brutalization of its members” there shouldn’t be outrage?”
Sorry, I couldn’t help but be reminded of this comment on this very thread:
“Serbs HAVE built a new Orthodox church on expoliated Muslim land near Srebrenica and the priest there defends and justifies not only the Srebrenica genocide but the whole genocidal serbofascist crusade. I hope someday the serbofascists will ber forced to tear it down – with their bare hands. They should not even be given a chisel but consume their fingernails. They should be paid back with the same degree of inhumanity as they dealt out in 1992-95 and with interests too. For generally Non-Muslims have always been more cruel to Muslims than vice versa. “
August 31st, 2010 at 7:08 pm
@JihadBob
“I hope someday the serbofascists will ber forced to tear it down – with their bare hands. They should not even be given a chisel but consume their fingernails. They should be paid back with the same degree of inhumanity as they dealt out in 1992-95 and with interests too. Serbofascists should be punished for the atrocities they commited.”
Abdul specifically said “Serbofascists” should be punished–not the majority of Serbs who are peaceful, law abiding people who don’t want to kill all Muslims.
Wouldn’t you agree that if a Muslim murdered somebody then he should be punished–I’m sure you would want it to be harsh punishment.
The fact that you didn’t disagree with [if someone calls for “the demolition of Finsbury Park Mosque and the brutalization of its members” there shouldn’t be outrage?”] is quite telling.
August 31st, 2010 at 10:31 pm
Islamophobia is real, since the fear of Islam is very irrational (hence, it’s called “Islamophobia”). It’s irrational because it has no rational basis, anymore than the fear of enclosed spaces does. It is simply paranoia.
When you view an entire group of people, as all being monolithic, possessing certain characteristics and/or inhibitions, without any actual evidence to draw this conclusion from, that is “irrational thinking”. The idea behind terms like “stealth jihad” is that there’s a secret jihad going on. However, there isn’t any actual evidence to support this so-called “stealth jihad”. The concept of “stealth jihad” is therefore, only a symptom of “Islamophobia” (the irrational/paranoid fear of Islam).
It is unfortunate that this sort of paranoia in particular, has become such a lucrative business for the likes of Spencer and Geller, as the money aspect only serves to further fuel it, and inadvertently (or perhaps deliberately), create incidents like this one. But then, this dirty campaign against Muslims and Islam wouldn’t get the support it would need, without rabble rousers like Spencer, to “fan the flames”.
However, there is a rational fear of Islam. It is not the one that useful idiots like Enright have, nor the one that opportunistic instigators like Spencer try to fan. It isn’t terrorism, misogyny or religious supremacy either. This fear, is the one the money changers have, and it is the fear of Islam’s laws against usury. Since that’s how they make their money and stay in control, it’s a very problematic idea, and so it only makes sense for them to want to get rid of it.
August 31st, 2010 at 11:54 pm
@NassirH
“Abdul specifically said Serbofascists should be punished–not the majority of Serbs who are peaceful, law abiding people who don’t want to kill all Muslims.”
Then why is it that “Islamofascists” is widely assumed to be code for Muslims in general?
September 1st, 2010 at 2:55 am
@George Carty: Strawman.. But hey, while we’re at that, explain why Robert Spencer uses scare quotes when writing the term ‘moderate Muslims’ and posts articles by the intellectual flyweight Fjordman on how all the ‘ “moderate” Muslims’ are either non-existent, fully oblivious about their own religion, or just as dangerous as the rest of them.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:02 am
NassirH, you really are a tool.
But let’s just hope that Finsbury Park Mosque is torn down and Islamofascists in Britain are made to go through the same degree of suffering they dealt out to others, with interest too. The Islamofascists in Britain who attended the Mo-toon protests, celebrated the 9/11 attacks and held other Islamofascist rallies or attended Mosques and Masjids where Islamofascists preached hatred against non-Muslims, ‘apostates’, ‘moderates’, ‘homosexuals’ and others should be forced to tear their mosques down, especially the Finsbury Park Mosque travesty, with their bare hands until their flesh is ripped from their bones.
What do you say Nassir ? Sounds like a good idea to me.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:05 am
@ Awesome: “However, there is a rational fear of Islam. It is not the one that useful idiots like Enright have, nor the one that opportunistic instigators like Spencer try to fan. It isn’t terrorism, misogyny or religious supremacy either. This fear, is the one the money changers have, and it is the fear of Islam’s laws against usury. Since that’s how they make their money and stay in control, it’s a very problematic idea, and so it only makes sense for them to want to get rid of it.”
Ah, another loon quickly steps in for Nassir and Abdul.
September 1st, 2010 at 9:09 am
@ The Sphinx: “Strawman..”
Wrong. When we use the term Islamofascist, we’re not talking the peaceful Muslims but only those who directly take part in terrorism or support the violent texts and teachings of Islam, as per Abdul’s own criteria of ‘Serbofascists’ and his other rantings.
BTW, anyone notice Abdul hasn’t popped up with an angry rant on how the Spanish Muslims were victims of Christianiofascists ?
Perhaps that link of Spanish Muslims slaughtering Berber women and children got to him ?
September 1st, 2010 at 9:14 am
Robert
If you are looking for a radical mosque then you are well behind the times looking at the Finsbury Park Mosque. They tidied their own house many years ago .
But then you think all mosques are radical as you are a loon .
September 1st, 2010 at 10:04 am
Bah what did jihadbob want to prove anyway?
September 1st, 2010 at 10:10 am
Like I said, what does jihadbob’s linking to that book prove in his favor anyway? And another thing is, I have to work to earn my living and am not paid for sitting behind my computer for hours and hours to throw mud against people who happen to be Muslims.
September 1st, 2010 at 11:03 am
@JihadBob,
You’re inability to construct a proper response is apparent. How ironic that a loon like you should call someone else a loon. But then, you don’t really know what you are talking about anyway, so I guess I shouldn’t be that surprised.
September 1st, 2010 at 11:10 am
“Also, do you condemn the blatantly racist comments made by Abdulmajid and others in this thread ?”
Jihadbob that is such a classic Bobby Spencer line. I feel like Bobby is always asking Muslims to refute something someone else has said or done. He tries to show a link between people that don’t even know each other and never met.
Why not keep the hate on your own site or are you just trying to create fuel for your fire and label all reads of loon watch with a broad stroke of your key board like you have done to others. Word of advice to all ignore him and do not give him any material to write back to his loons about. You will never change his heart or his mind. Even if you win an argument with him he will never admit it. He will just change the facts or the fight and continue. His heart is a hard as a stone and not even Jesus himself would be able to save this man from the hate that lives with in him. I am sad for him.
September 1st, 2010 at 12:06 pm
LoonWatch,
If JihadBob is Spencer, as he said but didn’t say above (if that makes sense) he shouldn’t be given airtime here.
He is hogging the site, and my guess is he wants to hijack it and turn it into a hate site by inciting people.
I am surprised you let him post when he has not addressed any of the excellent articles rebutting his garbage with Danios.
Plesase do not allow him to post here. Let him address Loon Watch properly, and talk to Danios officially.
September 1st, 2010 at 12:38 pm
@Bob “Wrong. When we use the term Islamofascist, we’re not talking the peaceful Muslims but only those who directly take part in terrorism or support the violent texts and teachings of Islam, as per Abdul’s own criteria of ‘Serbofascists’ and his other rantings.”
So that means that you too believe that 99% of Muslims are not “Islamofascists”. Why do you twits then keep on harping on the term?
And besides, the only ones believing in “violent texts and teachings of Islam” are the likes of Al-Qaeda and the rabid Islamophobes like Pamela Geller. Because these “violent texts” – put into the right context – are not exactly what these two categories of boneheads wish they would be.
Terrorists profit on that to justify their political violence. Jihad Watch profits on that to rake in cash. To hell with all of them.
September 1st, 2010 at 2:34 pm
JihadBob comes out of the closet. He wants to tear down a mosque in a country where there is a widespread dislike of Muslims. The mosque WAS run by idiots but is now run by mainstream Muslims.
“Following the 2003 raid the Mosque was reclaimed by mainstream Muslims, including representatives from the Muslim Association of Britain, who installed a new board of trustees and imam. The Mosque now offers courses open to the general public, and weekly attendance has tripled. It is open for public visits, awareness weeks, community open days and it claims it aims to promote Islam as a religion of tolerance and co-operation.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Finsbury_Park_Mosque#cite_note-6
I’m a tool for the truth Bob–not lies and bigotry.
BTW, if you wanted be humiliated and refuted again by the people you hate then go ahead and make another retarded comment.
September 1st, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Well, unfortunately the Muslim Association of Britain as well as most other Muslim groups in the UK are not as ‘moderate’ as they would have the mainstream believe:
“Mainstream Islamic organisations ‘share al-Qaeda ideology’
The report, sent to the government’s Office for Security and Counter Terrorism (OSCT), was not intended for publication but has now been leaked on the internet.
Entitled “Preventing terrorism, where next for Britain?” it says the ideology of non-violent Islamists is “broadly the same as that of violent Islamists” adding “they disagree only on tactics.”
…..
Among the mosques identified are Finsbury Park mosque in North London, formerly run by the extremist preacher Abu Hamza but now under new management, along with East London Mosque and Birmingham Central mosque.”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/7928377/Mainstream-Islamic-organisations-share-al-Qaeda-ideology.html
BTW, I would like to see evidence that Orthodox priests defend genocide from the Church Abdul would like to see demolished and its parishioners physically punished, ‘with interest’.
Also, Abdul – did you read my link yet ?
September 1st, 2010 at 6:53 pm
Abdul, JihadBob wants you to read about medieval racial tensions among Andalasian Muslims because it is very relevant to the article.
“it says the ideology of non-violent Islamists is “broadly the same as that of violent Islamists” adding “they disagree only on tactics.”
“broadly the same”? What the heck is that supposed ot mean? Modern day, US installed, democratic Iraq has religion in its government–its constitution has several strong Islamic influences and the country is “Islamist”–like many US allies.
Here are some parts of the constitution of Iraq
-Islam is the state religion and a basic foundation for the country’s laws, and no law may contradict the established provisions of Islam.
-The Islamic identity of the majority of the Iraqi people and the full religious rights for all individuals and the freedom of creed and religious practices is guaranteed.
-Iraq is part of the Islamic world and its Arab citizens are part of the Arab nation.
JihadBob, do you want to invade Iraq again? It is more “Islamist” than it was 8 yeats ago.
September 1st, 2010 at 7:17 pm
It’s interesting how JihadBob very carefully dodges the specifics, and tries his hardest to stick to making generalities.
Indeed, what does “broadly the same” mean? What exactly is the “ideology of al-Qaida”? Also, what is an “Islamic supremacist”? Using such ill-defined buzzwords undermines the discussion.
September 2nd, 2010 at 8:09 am
Actually, awesome, I comprehensively responded to Spinx’s last post.
That was only one among several of my posts in this thread that did not make it past the ‘admin approval stage’.
It seems that some don’t want opposing viewpoints to be heard.
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:32 am
Some think-tank submits a report to the British government claiming with no further substantiation that all those organizations are radicals. What does that prove? Nothing. Besides, just a while ago you were talking about people “actively taking part in terrorism”, now you’re pointing at those who allegedly “agree with their overall goal of creating a single ‘Islamic state’ which would bring together all Muslims around the world under a single government” You’re suddenly shifting talking points. Stay on subject if you want to be taken seriously.
Besides, this is only talking about Britain. There are 2.4 million Muslims in Britain today. That’s just about 0.16% of the Muslims in the world. How many of those are truly extremist? Not a lot, by any standard.
So what does this prove, concerning my last point? Again, nothing.
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:52 am
@JihadBoob,
It’s hard to tell if you’re just saying that to save face, or if it’s actually true. However, given that I do see some of your “comprehensive” responses up, I’m inclined to think that:
1) You’re only saying that to save face
or
2) Your posts violated some rule (or were automatically filtered), and therefore didn’t get posted.
In the case of (2), I suggest you look at what the rejected posts have that the accepted posts don’t, try removing it, and see what happens.
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:57 am
I love how Bob’s latest red herring is that he does in fact “comprehensively” respond…but his posts don’t make it to the comments section. Funny because, last time I checked…Loon Watch doesn’t moderate the comments anymore. Long time readers will notice that when they comment now, it isn’t “Awaiting Moderation”; but rather is posted directly. Can your arguments get any more shitty Bob?
September 2nd, 2010 at 3:17 pm
In the past two days, some of my posts needed admin approval – it also depends where I post from.
The most recent post that didn’t go through had a link in it and I submitted my post immediately after I responded to another member.
I had the good sense of saving it so I can easily copy/paste it again if I care to.
@TheSphinx: How have I shifted my goal posts ? I thought I was pretty clear on what makes an extremist Muslim and I am much more liberal when it comes to judging Muslims than I am Christians. But that’s just the reality of the world we live in that Muslims need lower standards than Christians/Westerners do.
For instance, in the US Christians who oppose gay marriage are labeled religious extremists/bigots by liberals/leftists in this nation.
Yet these same liberals would brand any Muslim left of Osama bin Laden a ‘moderate’, even ones who support the introduction of religious laws in the Western nations they live in and certainly are in favor of criminalizing homosexuality.
A good litmus test for gauging religious extremism, is to find out their views concerning homosexuals. If in doubt, always imagine what the Muslim spokesperson/imam said and imagine a Christian pastor or politician uttering those same exact words and picture the liberals going into a frenzy.
September 2nd, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Riight…..so you deliberately witheld your alleged posts, knowing that omitting the links should do the trick…to use as red herring in future situations. Considering how likely it is that you did, it’s just as likely that you didn’t post anything at all and are lying. Really sheds some light into how truthful said posts are, if anything.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:37 pm
Very interesting that my post has now been deleted.
Loonwatch is better than Red China at hushing up the facts.
September 2nd, 2010 at 5:43 pm
@ Cynic: “Riight…..so you deliberately witheld your alleged posts, knowing that omitting the links should do the trick…to use as red herring in future situations. Considering how likely it is that you did, it’s just as likely that you didn’t post anything at all and are lying. Really sheds some light into how truthful said posts are, if anything.”
You mean the post that was just deleted ? That one ?
Hey, if I’m lying and I didn’t hit ‘submit comment’ and my post didn’t go to ‘admin approval’ then perhaps the people behind this website should call me out for lying.
I can guarantee that I submitted my post yesterday and that post, which was never published, went to the spam filter where the admins decided to bottle it up.
Now, the admins have seen fit to outright deletion of posts.
Disappointed but not surprised.
September 2nd, 2010 at 6:55 pm
Oh poor JihadBoob! Boo hoo, sniffle, sniffle…
You know everyone is very skeptical of your claims JihadBob?
The irrelevant, off topic (often had very little to do with Islam or Islamophobia) crap they let you post on this site is amazing.
When Jihadwatch comes even a little close giving us the amount of freedom you enjoy on this site, then you can complain. Until then, make another stupid comment and prepare to be refuted/humiliated by people smarter than you.
September 3rd, 2010 at 9:36 am
@ Nassir: “You know everyone is very skeptical of your claims JihadBob?”
Every time I post on this now obscure thread, you seem to pop up. You wouldn’t happen to be an admin here, now would you ?
Hey, as I said, just ask the powers that be call me out as a liar. I have no way to prove that my post has now been deleted since I didn’t take a screen shot of it.
So, Danios and his ilk could easily lie and claim my post was never erased. I would just know what type of pond scum I was dealing with.
Anyways, for the *third* time, here’s is an abridged response to Sphinx:
(I think it was my quoting of Islamic scholars that did me in the last time)
Sphinx: “So that means that you too believe that 99% of Muslims are not “Islamofascists”. Why do you twits then keep on harping on the term?”
Perhaps, but according to surveys, more than 40% of Pakistanis supported suicide bombings against non-Muslim civilians to defend the honor of Islam.
To be fair, that was before the recent terrorist attacks in Pakistan by Islamist terror groups, so current polls show that most Pakistanis are against terrorism. It’s just that most Pakistanis are against terrorism because they now have received a taste of their own medicine.
Another poll showed that most Pakistanis (80%) support the death penalty for blasphemy (as Abdul seems to also), apostasy and adultery. 77% or so are in favor of hand chopping for thieves. Presumably, they would support cross amputation and crucifixion for ‘mischief-makers’ as well.
So, what could your definition of an ‘Islamo-fascist’ possibly be and care to provide evidence that 99% of Muslims are ‘moderates’ ?
No ?
Didn’t think so.
“And besides, the only ones believing in “violent texts and teachings of Islam” are the likes of Al-Qaeda”
Let’s quote some Islamic scholars:
September 4th, 2010 at 3:11 pm
Islamophobia is a perfectly healthy reaction against these freaks trying to spread their stupid backward beliefs.
Islamophobia is only common sense…
September 4th, 2010 at 5:15 pm
100% of Islamophobes–that includes you JihadBob & Eternal–support the following:
killing Muslims, a worldwide genocide against Muslims, nuking Mecca and other “Muslim places”, invading Muslim countries, supporting Communist and oppressive governments who kill or oppress Muslims, deporting all Muslims, discriminating against Muslims, stealing land inhabited by Muslims…
As you can see, in the words of one of our resident Islamophobes, “Islamophobia is only common sense…” (this is where you laugh)
September 4th, 2010 at 6:04 pm
@JihadBob
“Every time I post on this now obscure thread, you seem to pop up. You wouldn’t happen to be an admin here, now would you ?”
No JihadBaby, I’m not the admin. That’s just one of the many wackjob conspiracy theories you believe in.
If you haven’t noticed (because of your general incompetence), a visitor of this site can look at recent comments by clicking on the second tab in the gray box below Jon Stewart.
I noticed you took the chance to bash Muslims in the post.
According to Gallup 60% of Pakistanis support a tougher stance on terrorism. Only 13% don’t.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/113455/Pakistanis-Support-Tougher-Stance-Terrorism.aspx
72% of Pakistanis believe the Taliban is a negative influence, a meager 4% believe the opposite.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/126602/Taliban-Increasingly-Unpopular-Pakistan.aspx
Anyone can play your game.
67.5% of Shaun Hannity listeners don’t want a mosque to be be built at all. No matter how far away from Ground Zero.
http://www.hannity.com/poll/view/11451
September 4th, 2010 at 11:58 pm
Your post has been there for 2 days now….are you going to stop bitching now?
September 5th, 2010 at 6:27 pm
jihadbooby wrote: “Another poll showed that most Pakistanis (80%) support the death penalty for blasphemy (as Abdul seems to also), apostasy and adultery.”
When did I say that?
You dirty LIAR!
But certainly a guy with ideas like yours should be, as they say in Germany, “be shot dead with cat’s excrement.”
September 9th, 2010 at 12:10 pm
@Islamophobia-phobic
Well, your attempt to demonize the anti-islamic battlefront is ridiculous, coming from backward, male chauvinist, histerical religious freaks.
You muslims will be responsible of your own collapse. Islam grew and lived by the sword, it’ll die by the sword, it is as simple as that.
I agree that the total war you described should be avoided if possible but this bad joke called islam must be stopped and repelled. There is a simple way to prevent it : change islam, make it evolve QUICKLY, or, even better, drop it out. “Islam is perfect and eternal” is a nonsense you ought to forget.
We are no longer in the Middle Ages when barefoot crusaders walker hundreds of miles to fight the infidels. Nowadays, a push button is enough, the might of our industrialized societies would make any total war swift and ruthless.
Is it really what you want ? Peoples in the West and all around the world are loosing patience, consider it !
Don’t think I am inhuman, the story of mankind teaches us that we can reach agreements or fight to the bitter end. I am simply realistic and resolute to stop that fairytale because it has to be stopped.
Let’s better ourselves and face, men and women together, the great challenges of the future !
Look at the stars, try to reach them ! Wake up !
It is no use kneeling many times a day to honour a god which exists only in your imagination or anyway is paying no attention to your play-acting…
September 9th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
Eternal, I always find it amusing when Christian fundamentalists pretend to be atheists. I’m not quite sure what you expect to achieve, but it does little to lessen the bigotry and hatred in your words.
If you really believe that we are wasting our lives believing in a ‘fairy tale’ then why do you care so much about proving us wrong? If you REALLY believe that we are wrong, then we will die and that’s it. The end. You wouldn’t need to get so worked up about something that (you claim) doesn’t exist…
No, what I think this really boils down to is the western mentality of convert or kill everyone. You can’t tolerate the fact that there are some people who would rather not become assimilated and homogenized by your system. I happen to prefer doing things my own way. I could care less about some vapid TV show or McDonalds or polo shirts. That’s just not my thing.
You, on the other hand, gleefully celebrate the idea of having thousands, perhaps even millions of your fellow human beings killed with a push of a button. You view everyone outside the west as ‘primitive’ and ‘sub-human’. It’s painfully apparent from the way you word your messages. If it weren’t Muslims, then you would be fighting against American Indians, Hindus, East Asians, Catholics… anyone who is different from you. Prejudice, plain and simple.
September 9th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
@Zakariya Ali Sher
1 – I was born Christian Catholic but I don’t believe (believe it or not) in God
2 – I am sad that millions of human beings waste their time and energy on that fairy tale, I feel bad when I see the fate of “your” women in the backward muslim countries and even in some of our Western cities now. But what makes me loose my temper is your will to convert others to your bad joke (my sense of humor on that matter is low). Mankind has to go up in the long run, if we can…
3 – Clearly, soap operas, Mac Donald’s and T-shirt are not the only way of life in this world. Don’t be assimilated, fair enough (please evolve a liitle bit nonetheless)! It is good according to me to maintain diversity. So why you muslims (the true ones) are trying to convert the whole world ?
4 – I respect others cultures and peoples, the problem lies in your “religion” admit it. Chinese, Hindus, Christians, Animists are all fighting your beloved islam. Is it a Western conspiracy ?
You are blinded by an old cult which may have altered your common sense. Or you pursue other unknown goals (political, racial, etc) ?
It is sad because we could be friends in another dimension…
September 13th, 2010 at 5:42 pm
loonwatch, comments are still being slated for moderation
September 13th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
is loonwatch closing down comments sections now?
i’m not shouring conspiracy here its just u think if a comment sectuion is closed it should say so
congrats on no longer moderating posts..will posts still be edited(snipped)
September 13th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
@un eternel, who wrote
“I am sad that millions of human beings waste their time and energy on that fairy tale, I feel bad when I see the fate of “your” women in the backward muslim countries and even in some of our Western cities now. But what makes me loose my temper is your will to convert others to your bad joke (my sense of humor on that matter is low). Mankind has to go up in the long run, if we can…”
do you believe that the fate of our women in muslim majority countries is due to Islam or corrupt non Islamic governments, supportes by western democracies? do you also believe that “relieving” us muslims from our fantasy is somehow not comparable to our so-called will to convert others?
“4 – I respect others cultures and peoples, the problem lies in your “religion” admit it.do respect other peoples cultures and religion, but not mine?
”
” Chinese, Hindus, Christians, Animists are all fighting your beloved islam. Is it a Western conspiracy ?”
Would you care to elaborate on the root causes of chinese, hindu, christian, opposition to Islam? is it all chinese, all hindu, all christians, and all animists?
“You are blinded by an old cult which may have altered your common sense. Or you pursue other unknown goals (political, racial, etc) ?”
you are blinded by your new religion, atheism
September 13th, 2010 at 6:00 pm
@Eternel
do you respect other peoples and cultures, but not mine?
why is it ever time i hear someone claiming to respect others religion and culture, there is a subtle “except for muslims” comment lurking?
September 14th, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Eternel is all over other comment sections and refuses to answer my questions…here they are again with a few more to boot:
1.Do you respect other peoples and cultures, but not mine?
2.Do you believe that the fate of our women in muslim majority countries today is due to Islam or corrupt non Islamic governments, supported by western democracies?
3.Do you also believe that “relieving” us muslims from our fantasy is somehow not comparable to our so-called will to convert others?
4.Would you care to elaborate on the root causes of chinese, hindu, christian, opposition to Islam? is it all chinese, all hindu, all christians, and all animists?
5.Do you have new proof that Islam grew and lived by the sword,
6. Since you say that Islam it’ll die by the sword, do believe that this death will be accomplished by murdering all muslims? Is this holocaust justifiable in your view?
7.Since you believe that “Islamophobia is a perfectly healthy reaction against these freaks trying to spread their stupid backward beliefs.
Islamophobia is only common sense…”, tell me what you know of Islam and where and from who did to learn of Islam in order to reach such a conclusion?
September 15th, 2010 at 6:28 pm
Dear Muhammad, eternel will not answer. becauase he has nothing to say. His condescending, arrogant contemptuous attitude towards Muslims drips from every word. He considers us Moozlims to be lesser human beings. His hatred is only surpassed by his ignorance of what Islam is and what Muslims are. Such individuals do not deserve to walk this Earth; the idea that he can annihilate millions of human beings at the push of a button – that is with nuclear weapons – and that Islam will die by the sword, that is annihilated through genocide – does anyone need to say more to expose himself for what he is?
I am a convert from Catholicism too. Even as a kid I saw the contradiction between what Christianism preaches and what the Western world practices, even in its atheist manifestations like Nazism and communism says it is based on Christian cultural values. As a kid I saw teh great monuments of Muslim culture in Spain and I read teh “Tales of the Alhambra ” and other stories, and I always wondered, what became of these people, where did they go, why, and how were their towns and cities altered beyond recognition? When the genocidal anti-Bosniak Serb crusade started in Bosnia in 1992 I knew. And when the Bosnian Croats were persuaded by teh Serbs (and by Lord Owen) to stab the Bosniaks in teh back, and the Vatican stayed silent, then I knew, I was on the wrong path! I had some startling experiences in Morocco, but even so, I documented myself very carefully and pondered the idea for quite a while, but I have not regretted embracing the True Faith some years later. Even though I realize that there are some very evil and deplorable things happening in teh Muslim wortld, the rampant corruption and nepotism, terrible patriarchalism among the more primitive and uneducated rural populations say in Kurdistan, Pakistan or Africa; brutal police regimes of clerical-fascist (Iran) or Neo-Stalinist (Iraq under Saddam Hussein; Uzbekistan) orientation, utter anarchy and chaos in IraQ (but that was certainly not homemade, and the brutal police regimes in most of the Muslim world are supported by the imperialist powers); lack of political coherency (except for the Ottoman Empire, but it was finally destroyed in 1918 after Russia, Britain and France had tried to destroy it for over 200 years). So what? Is a person in our beautiful free Western society of any account either? Teh only difference between here adn the totallitarian dictatorships in the Third World is that here you can only be made homeless and destitute, a panhandler, ad there they can just shoot you and drop youin a ditch, but that’s about all. As an ordinary citizen without connection to the big shots, you are as powerless and broke here as there. That is what I have seen in Europe and America and in the Third World. Yet, I found God in Islam; not unliek the Japanese monks who were sent to Rome in the late 16th centuryto become real Christians and who disliked everything about European ways and culture they found (“they’re all filthy” they said) who also said they found God. Yes, I was appalled by Sept. 11th and I see it as a stupid and futile evil gesture done by some very desperate people who were denied what they thought to be their rightful place in society (in MODERN society!) and a future. And who were supported by a very evil man who only wants to gain notoriety. The Herostrates of our time; but then, with a college degree that can’t bring you a good job with decent pay, and thus the possibility of making a future for yourself – from the university straight to the dole line, or destituteness, even with top marks…I understand their feelings, even if I do not condone their motives. What dietinguishes me from them is that I know committing such an act will not get my faith and my brethren anywhere; no more than Pearl Harbor got the Japanese anywhere.
But to the Islamophobes it is all the same. Just for being a Muslim I am guilty by association. And a lot of evil opportunistic demagogue politicians blab what these people say. To the genocidal crusaders in Bsonia it was also the same that the Bosniaks had been their neighbors, and even friends. Such people view us with the same hate and contempt as the Spaniards of the 15th and 16th century viewed their Muslim countrymen. Whom they forcefully converted, burned at the stake, robbed and expelled, got rid of! Like the Bosnian Serbs see the Bosniaks whom they persecuted, murdered, raped, robbed, dispossessed, expelled, got rid of! With the same condescension and ignorance. And like them they have no right and no justification, it is only out of envy and greed, or just plain malice. And who like jihadbooby , halal swine and all the other genocidal anti-Muslim MORONS of that Enright, or Karadzic and his willling executioners (almost all Bosnian Serb males and a lot of the females from age 15 up!). Soem may be insane, but most are plainl yevil. They talk ABIUT Muslims but they refuse to talk WITH Muslims! Those who do sometimes chaneg their minds. Pastor Terry Jones talked to an Imam, and guess what? He dropped thhe idea of burning the Qur’an! (at least for now. I, as a Muslim , have never considered burning the Bible or the Torah, for to a true Muslim the Torah and the Gospel are REvelations from God too. So it says in the Holy Qur’an.) There was a young Serb guy named Marko Vasic in Eastern Bosnia. Some Bosniak thugs (okay, I know, not all Bosniaks are angels) murdered his grandparents; he hated all Bosnian Muslims; even though he has Muslim relatives; you would be astonished to know how many families in Bosnia have Muslim, Catholic and Orthodox relatives; one of the victims of Srebrenica, a Catholic man named Rudolf Hren evenhad Slovenian, or Slovak and German ancestors (may God bless him; he stood by his Muslim friends,to the end.) In any case we talked sensibly to Marko Vasic; we convinced him drop his hate for ALL Muslims and to seek redress from the Bosnian justice; I actually share his pain and his loss; he’s a good guy at heart. Unlike the Islamophobes. Would you call him a dhimmi?!? Allah said that he had created people into different nations and tribes with the purpose that they mayn get to know, that is, to respect each other; it is stated in the Holy Qur’an that there be no force in faith – no forced conversion; to do unto others as you wish to be done unto yourself. So where is the message of hate and destruction the islamophobes are costantly blabbing about? If xomebody comes to me with that I see only the enmity and malice he directs at me. And I will respond accordingly. It is my right to defensd myself. Even Nelson Mandela claimed that right for his people! Turn the other cheek? Forget it! That is just a delusion to make us poor folks accept authority. The same with “Give Caesar what is Caesar’s” that is, accept enslavement and taxation. No way! I refuse to discuss with such individuals. They are evil half-idiots at best and murderers and fanatics at the worst.
September 15th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
@Abdulmajid
i felt like u were writing me a personal letter
i appreciate all your comments
masalama
September 19th, 2010 at 8:51 am
@ Abdulmajid I’m with you! Don’t let jihadbob get to you. He is just a hateful person spreading hate. I doubt he would be willing to condemn the attrocities comitted by the Milosevic regime. Any one who defends Milosevic and his cronies are by extension also defending such things as ethnic cleansing, the wholesale slaughter of civilian populations, genocide, rape, torture, mass graves, etc. So that speaks volumes about jihadbob’s character and what kind of person he truly his. Don’t let him get to you, you’re a better person.
September 24th, 2010 at 12:50 am
You people sure like to whine. Whine, whine.
And are we to feel sorry for, for what?
Do Western Civilization a big favor, move back to the sand dune from which you spawned from.
You just can’t live in peace with any other culture/society/people unless they are as demented as you. You have to shove it down people’s throats.
Check out the news from Europe: people are fed up with all this muslim B.S., and with good reason. Your sharia law is 100% against freedom, startng with free speech. How about the freedom to leave Islam for, let’s say, to become a Jew. What of it? You make such a big deal out of fear. You all ought to try and act mature. You live your own life and let others live theirs.
September 24th, 2010 at 4:24 pm
dear miss manners,
do us a favor and SHOVE your Muslim-bashing where it belongs!
If you have nothing intelligent or reasonable to contribute here but only hate speech and blah blah blah, SHOVE IT, SHUT UP and leave us Moozlims IN PEACE!
Were I holding some conference or lecture and somebody heckled me like YOU do I would have him or her removed by security FORTWITH! Thrown out! Kicked in the butt! But not before exposing at great length how PHONY, stupid and evil he or she is!
History and recent events show that consistently, Christians have been more cruel to Muslims than vice versa! So have the Chinese and Hindutva fascists! I havwe known that ever since I was a little kid, from my Catholic catechism classes to seeing the Alhambra, the Mosque in Córdoba, Cuzco, Mexico City and other such places, reading all kinds of books related to the subject, from Gibbon to “Tales of the Alhambra” to T.E. Lawrence’s “Seven Pillars of Wisdom” to Marko Attila Hoare and Noel Malcolm, and countless others. More than you have probably ever read in your life.
I have seen what Hinduism, Christianity and Judaism are and I have no desire ever to convert to any of them, not even under threat of death, nor do I wish for any of my descendants to do so; I feel much more comfortable in the Moulay Yazid Mosque in Marrakech or in the Gazi Husrev Beg Mosque in Sarajevo than in most churches, and I have seen many very beautiful old ones and many HIDEOUS new ones. I also have seen that they have some very similar things liek the wooden door screens; and that the message of the Qur’an only reiterates and CONFIRMS that of the Torah and the Gospels. What is it you want, eh?
And history also has shown that the number of converts to other religions from Islam is MINIMAL, quantité négligéable compared with those who converted TO Islam! And NOT, as you evil half-idiots always say, under the sword!
AND if Jews can consider any of their own who had himself baptized as a worse shame than if he had been HANGED, if Hindus find all us who are not Brahmins to be FILTH, then kindly allow us Moozlims to look down anybody who apostasizes from Islam (except if somebody had REALLY forced him to convert). You evil hypocrites always say “live and let live”, yet like Karadzic you say we should be exterminated or deported. That was your message: “move back to the sand dune from which you spawned from.” “from which you spawned freom” Shows all your education! And: NO! We will NOT! Learn to live with us! Learn to RESPECT US! Give us the same respect you want for yourselves, treat us as EQUALS! Stop holding Muslims in the West accountable for the shortcomings in their countries, STOP holding us guilty by association of “international terrorism” and THEN we will respect you! Treat us with the same hatred and condescension the Chriostain Spaniards, from the King rioght down to teh lowliest beggar traeted our brethren in Spain, adn which Karadzioc and his will8ing executioners did to my brethreen in Bosnia – well, we have learned the lessons of Spain and of Bosnia very well. Alhama de Granada 1482 and Srebrenica 1992: 500 years and more have passed and NOTHING’s really changed – people who declare themselves to be good Christians still only deal with us Mooslims with condescension, despisal, arrogance, HATE and CRUELTY! Their talka and their actions are no different from back then. And in Bosnia it was even worse, it was war and state-instituted xenophobia exactly like in Spain 500 to 400 years ago! Is THAT what you want? is it what you want? Answer me that! Answer me yes or no, don’t try to give me any subterfuges! But you will not, you STINKING COWARD!!! But I do know your answer, you have said it to me clearly enough “move back to the sand dune from which you spawned from.” You STINKING FASCIST BIGOT RACIST XENOPHOBIC C O W A R D! Your hate speech is not different of that of Karadzic and his propagandists liek Risto Dzogo or Petko Cancar! I have seen the evil their hate speech caused to my brethren there. And you are just the same. Such as you do not deserve to walk this Earth but even the Devil himself would not want to admit you in HELL! I’D like to give such stinking Cowards BACK a little bit of their hipocrisy, falsehood, dishonesty, malice, cruelty and hate! At least a little bit, even though they deserve to get back all of it, and with interest too! Somebody talked to me to my face like that, like you do, SPAT in my face actually and I get the notion that I have to PUNCH his nose until he BLEEDS! Or even if it were a woman, SLAP her face until my hand gets numb. And if it were a child, even if only four years old, box his ears (just once) and then go and slap his parents, in front of him, for instilling evil into such a young mind. Grab them by their HAIR and KNOCK their head against the WALL until they BLEED! And KICK their ASS! And tell them “next time you try to get wise with me I will give you the thrashing of a lifetime you so richly deserve, so that this here will seem to you like a caress from a loving girl in comparison!!!” And why not! For utter evil and stupidity combined in one tiny brain! After all they want to expel me from my country of kill me like they did back in Spain and in Bosnia! Of course I won’t intentionally do that, I will NEVER go out in the street and try to find an Islamophobe to beat him up, for those, ah, persons, are just 10% evil and 90% hot air, and thus not WORTH that I soil my hands on them, let alone have myself turned in for them; but watch their hypocrisy, the contrast between what they preach and what they practice. Has not the Messiah Jesus whom you call the Christ, said that “What you have doen to the least of my brethren you have done to me” Already forgotten that! And their hate speech causes such simpletons and good-for-nothing BUMS like Milan Lukic in Bosnia to rape 11-year old schoolgirls and burn their parents alive, Axel Wiens to stab a preganat woman to death just because she wore Hijab; or that little reptile Enright to treacherously stab a humble cab driver just because he is a Mooslim; as for those guys, well, shouldn’t they be put down? Yes, because only then will they cease to be a danger to others!
September 24th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
And, miss manners I can curse you and swear at you in at least six languages. Not that I like to use profanity, but in your case, just like with the other half-idiot who wanted me to “move back to Saudi Arabia and then we evil mooslims could fight each other there with flintlock muskets and knives”, here goes: a little bit from Moroccan Arabic: “Aatini’mmuck zabba wa-l-qalawi dial hmar!” And from Bosnian: “Jebem ti majku!” And from Russian: “Jeb tvoye mat!” And French “Va te faire foutre!” And from Latin American Spanish “Me cago en tus muertos!” And Spanish Spanish “Vete a tomar por el culo!” And Italian “Vaffanculo!” And German “Man sollte dich mit Katzendreck erschiessen!” Want to know what that means? Well, have it translated! Ah, I forgot: English is a little poor in colorful metaphers; I can right now only thnik of one ‘#§$& you!” At least in Spanish I know at least 26 expressions for “Stupid” Want me to dedicate them to you?
September 25th, 2010 at 2:43 pm
Hello everybody ! I am sure that you missed me a lot.
Wise men and women from all over the world, consider the situation and the hard choices we will soon be obliged to take against that backward cult called islam. Think about Abdulmajid’s insane rude words ! The guys like him have no future, because if they have one, then mankind has none…
September 26th, 2010 at 4:52 am
well, eternel, I am rude at people who deserve it: at those half-idiots who believe that committing genocide against Muslims is all right. I have said it often enough befoer, I am putting a mirror to their faces. So guys like me have no future? Do you mean to say you and the other crusader scum intend to commit genocide against us? Obviously you do. Your statement was very revealing. Thank you for revealing your true intentions to me. I have taken notice and I will be prepared accordingly. Should I ever have to face a situation like the people of Srebrenica did, that is, some christofascist thugs, epigones of Karadzic and of his willing executioners like Milan Lukic try to slaughter me, I promise I will take down at least six kafir sideboys with me. Six crusader murderers I will send to Hell before they waste me. That is a promise.
And believe me, were I in the USA and in Ahmad Sharif’s place I’d get me a .45 at the very least. And take some shooting training. To exercise my right of legitimate self-defense. Somebody ask me about my religion or ethnic background I’d ask him “Why do you want to know? What is it to you?” and be very wary about this guy. Never turn my back on him. Of course that is what the islamophobes want, to create an ambient of mistrust between non-Muslims and Muslims. However a sound dosis of mistrust can prolong your life, or help you avoid an early and violent death. And I would not hesitate to act in an appropriate way to defend myself. In Europe this is unfortunately a bit more difficult. Maybe I should take karate lessons again. Why should I let mnyself be stabbed to death anyway?
September 26th, 2010 at 10:33 am
@Abdulmajid
Yes you could get a revolver (a Western device isn’t it ?)but you could as well sail home or even better drop out your bad fairytale.
No you can’t of course, I almost forgot you were a loony…
September 26th, 2010 at 12:35 pm
Ah, shut up. No FASCIST PIG has any right WHATSOEVER to bash and bait me or my brethren as YOU are doing nor to seek for our extermination or expulsion. AND were I in the USA and working as a cabbie yes I WOULD get myself a .44 Magnum or something like that, and rightly so, just for reasons of self-protection.
Eternal, you are a FASCIST PIG! you are NAZI SCUM, a racist, a bigot, a potential mass murderer. You might as well admit it.
And to your idea of how to deal with us mooslims I tell you “Not like that HERR HITLER!” Because even if you really succeeded in having all Mooslims her errounded up and sent back to their countries, or their males castrated, or put them in boats or sunk, (that’s what a Spanish bishop prpoosed for the Spanish Muslims in teh 16th century; in the end tehy were content “Just” with expelling them all and murdering all those who resisted.) or just plainly murdered, next you would take it up with Hispanics, gays, African Americans or other “undesirables”. No need to deny it. I know exactly what people of your ilk are like, I have testimony form the survivors of the Serb anti-Bosniak genocidal crusade, I have teh statements form Karadzic and his ilk, they’re no different from yours. You may think of yourself as a heroic defender of Western values but you ‘re just a cowardly fascist pig. Your hate comes from fear, and I can smell your fear from here. And yes, if I knew a person with ideas like yours personally I would see to it that he gets the thrashing of a lifetime he so richly deserves, and just so you know, I HATE!!!! Fascists of your ilk from the bottom of my heart and to my last breath! You do not deserve to walk this Earth, anybody who sent you to Hell would do mankind a favor, but even Satan himself would refuse yu admittane in Hell!
May God open your eyes, and if not, may HE have mercy on your soul.
September 29th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
Some freaks seem upset. I understand. As Talleyrand said : “there is one thing more terrible than calumny, it is truth”. I shall continue to underline the true nature of islam.
Hysterical silliness and terrorist methods don’t work any longer, peoples are waking up even within some islamic countries.
Regarding the Hitler thing, it is very old fashioned you know. The nuts who wrongly use that “final” argument should be cautious. We were not born at that time and we only know the winners’ version of History.
Russian, English and American, helped by the Jewish people, won the war. Hitler could never have been defeated by less advanced countries, so you should all be thankful to these Western countries.
Be careful with your threats, insults and bad behaviour not to make too many Westerners wonder whether the outcome of WW II was after all such a good thing. Just a piece of advice…
Another fairytale comes to my mind, Three Little Pigs. Poor little PIG is so afraid of the big bad wolf who SMELLS HIS FEAR.
Well, I’m glad to know that you want to eat pigs. Try it, it’ll change your life and your country for the better ! It’s a very useful and tasty animal, unlike muslim loonies.
Fortunately, my house is made of hard bricks.
At the end, the wolf gets cooked.
September 29th, 2010 at 11:32 pm
Abdullah,so what’s wrong with exterminating those who wish you harm? Seems to me like a perfectly rational thought.
And, by they way, the year is 2010, and not some crazy made-up date from the past, like maybe when the white man spoke with forked tounge to the red man. Oh, for shame! What a pity! Too bad!
But wait! That was yesterday, not now. Now the year is 2010, understand?
Let’s all try to at least stay on the same year here, okay boys?
September 30th, 2010 at 5:53 am
eternel disgusting half-idiot where do you think your gratuitous provocations will bring you? Have they got the serbs somewhere? 4 wars started, 4 wars lost.
If YOU are what defines himself a good Christian then I know I did the right thing and I’m glad I do no longer belong to that cruel, murderous, false and hypocrite lot.
I see God has chosen not to open your eyes. May He have mercy on your soul.
October 8th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
@abdulmajid
Leave my soul alone please and go to work, try to develop your forlorn countries ans your brain capacities as well.
Too many lazy bastards, that’s your problem and it could become ours as well if we are not cautious enough.
October 8th, 2010 at 3:27 pm
Bah, what is there to discuss with a half-witted xenophobe who has resigned from the human race anyway? What is there to debate with those who use crude jingoism and Muslim-bashing? Whose medieval attitude has, as their hate speech demonstrated, not changed in the last 500 years?
October 8th, 2010 at 4:19 pm
“Medieval attitude” !
I love this one, you are really hilarious you know.
Please continue to make us laugh with your fairytale, as long as possible…
October 10th, 2010 at 10:32 am
Yes, medieval attitude, you are one of those who think that only a dead Mooslim is a good mooslim, like the Christian Spaniards said back then, and youo’re just the same
Heil Hitler, Eternel!
October 10th, 2010 at 10:45 am
Mr Anonymous Says:
September 24th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Hate to say this to these islamophobic idiots: the more you attack Islam, the more it will increase around the world. Anyway, wishing violence on a religious civilization consisting of 1.8 billions must be really “STUPID”.
Couldn’t have said it better myself.
And:
Ahmed Says:
October 7th, 2010 at 7:14 pm
Too all of you who live to hate, and hate to live, let me surprise you with the fruits of your hate effort….Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world. God almighty said in the Qu’an ,” Islam will reach to the four corners of the world, and into every house”, and there is nothing you all hate mongers can do to stop it. Thanks for your hate. Islam is increasing its reach, reaching out to millions, and millions who revert to Islam around the clock.
Islam couldn’t have done without your hate…..We Muslims see it as blessing from God almighty. Keep up the hate…..
Couldn’t have said it better myself either. Yu will not bury the Muslims, neitehr in the USA, nor in Europe, much less in those countries where they make up the majority. And since most of us are not interested in world revolution or world-conquest as you always falsely accuse us of, but have rather enough to do with our everyday lives, it is high time you’d finally leave us IN PEACE, will ya, fellers? And give us teh same respect you want for yourselves, or are we some second-class human beings? And you have no right whatsoever to take us hostage for what happens in other countries! To put you straight: even if in some place like Sudan they ate the livers of non-Muslim chidren raw (which they DON’T!!!!) this gives Nobody here any right whatsoever to as much as scratch one of us!
October 10th, 2010 at 11:02 am
@Abdulmajid
One of my worst nightmares is that the extremist Islamophobes will join forces with Malthusian Greens in a genocidal coalition. (The Islamophobes wanting to exterminate the Muslims to defeat the Islamic threat, the Greens wanting to do so to solve the “overpopulation problem”). For this reason I think that Muslims who encourage hysteria over climate change may just possibly be cutting their own throats.
Fortunately the Islamophobes are found mainly on the Right and the Green extremists are found mainly on the Left…
October 17th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
@Eternel
“Think about Abdulmajid’s insane rude words ! The guys like him have no future, because if they have one, then mankind has none…”
You’re a fine one for calling Abdulmajid’s language rude!
And BTW, it is ‘Eternal’ not ‘Eternel’, get your alias right at least bigot-boy.
ASA, Abdulmajid!
October 22nd, 2010 at 7:37 pm
I agree with miss manners and everyone else who dares to write the truth. Some of you sure do a lot of quoting from some very well writen books, just too bad you didn’t actually learn anything from them.
One can easily say that “The Seven Pillars of Wisdom” was a warning to the West.
The point being is that without a reference in common sense, one cannot defend islam in any shape or form, unless, of course, you support stupidity to the highest degree. What you going to do, burn the Mona Lisa?
Destroy all the statues of great people? Ban all musical instruments?
Take your sharia law and shove it down your throats, please, and leave the rest of us alone. Thank you. I’m sure Pam would agree with me, don’t yo?
October 23rd, 2010 at 7:31 am
Cheryl:
Truth? What truth are you talking about? I’m not a Taliban and most of my brethren aren’t either. Burn the Mona Lisa? Me? Who gave you that crazy idea? How dare you equalize me with those who destroyed the Buddhas of Bamiyan? Withhte Islam equivalent of the Khmer Rouge? How dare you say we are all primitive barbarians? No you go to hell with your bigotry, your hate and your FEAR! Most of you Islamophobes rant so much because yopu are half-crazed with FEAR! And you are full of willful ignorance! Lawrence of Arabia was no enemy of the Arabs, or of the Muslims in general, but he was a poor tortured soul after having been raped by a sdistic Turkish officer (and don’t you DARE say that we Mooslims are all like that or else…!) and after having witnessed how the imperialist powers betrayed those people he had befriended, and instead of giving them the freedom they had promised them they gave them colonialism and the Zionist occupation of Palestine! He finally broke down after being a double agent for so long, in Afghanistan (again!) and that is why he committed suicide. Your rant is so typical. For over 1000 years we have heard only the same thing from you. But then, you christofascists (or secular fascists) have always treated us only with condescension, scorn, hate and desire of destruction. May all that you wish for us fall on your own head instead. So according to your logic Ratko Mladic should be awarded a medal instead of being put in the dock at The Hague and locked away for the rest of his miserable life, and likewise should Radovan Karadzic, for by killing 8000 of us at Srebrenica and fighting the Mooslim hordes they have done a good deed, right? And don’t you try to deny it, don’t insult my intelligence by saying you never intended to commit genocide, and don’t you try to put up a smoke screen by talking about alleged uslim atrocities; for History has shown that in most cases non-Muslims have been much more cruel to muslms than vice versa, and if you are a friend of Pamela Geller then, like to her I say stick your tongue up your… and stop insulting decent and honest people. You cowardly dastardly so-and-so, the likes of you refuse public debate and instead choose to smear us on the internet. Your case is so typical. I was once at a conference on the Bosnian war and the speaker was a Marxist, “pseudo-anti-imperialist” Turkish professor, a renegade, and he stood for Miosevic’s standpoint and derided the Bosniaks as “fundamentalists” Me and my friends we ripped his “arguments” to SHREDS! And we could name and quote documentary evidence. He could not. We made heim walk off the stage. We did not let Evil prevail. And likewise, as long as I am alive I will fight the gretest evil in the world, and that is X E N O P H O B I A, with all means at my disposal. You cowardly dastardly unspeakable unprintable (expletive deleted] you refuse public debate because you know full well you have NOTHING WHATSOEVEr TO STAND ON! You only have hatred and willful ignorance. Even the chronicler of the 16th century who wrote down the rebellion of the Spanish Muslims in the 16th century and how it was crushed in blood, admitted that the cause of said rebellion was the mistreatment and oppression of the Spanish Muslims by their Christian overlords and masters, and NOT subversion on part of Turks or Moroccans, for both countries in the end declined to help them and left them to their fate. Just like the Muslim states of today declined to help the Bosniaks during the war (except with token and symbolic gestures) And KNOW THAT THE CROSS (or the Dollar) will NEVER bring the Crescent to its knees!
If you spew hate then you stand fopr mass murder and genocide and know that I have as little compumction in being the intellectual or dierct author of your demise as you have towards me and my brothers. And I’m not attacking you, I’m only geiving you back your evil XENOPHOBIA! All acts of Xenophobia or all opinions and statements of Xenophobia are a CRIME! All XENOPHOBES are BASTARDS! No matter who and where they are!
October 23rd, 2010 at 7:58 am
Cheryl
One does wonder if you get paid as much as Sponge Bob for writing stuff that is so poor. Maybe you and Robert can compare notes ?
Have you actually read ‘the 7 pillars’ Your comments suggest not.
November 13th, 2010 at 12:08 pm
Abdulmajid can u please tell me the book u read on the ill treatments of the muslims at the hands of the 16th century spaniards?
muslim history is one of those things they don’t teach in their schools.
thank u.
November 13th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
@laila
I wouldn’t say that muslims didn’t suffer in 16th century Spain but bear in mind that they were not killed or tortured. Fears ran high among the population that the Moriscos were traitorous, especially in Granada. The coast was regularly raided by Barbary pirates backed by Spain’s enemy the Ottoman Empire, and the Moriscos were suspected of aiding them.
Given the context and the harshness of the time, it was according to me a proof of self-restraint.
They were expelled
November 17th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
Just because fears are high does not mean it is okay, to expel or kill Muslims. And have you seen the kind of torture devices used by the inquisition? Some of the techniques were also seen at Abu Ghraib, you know, cos the army men were scared of the Mooslims.
What about the Jews that were tortured, killed and expelled by the peaceful tolerant Catholic leaders? Is their massacre also justified because Spanish people were afraid?
“I wouldn’t say that muslims didn’t suffer in 16th century Spain but bear in mind that they were not killed or tortured”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morisco
Too funny. The Moriscos were people forcibly converted to Christianity under the “Religion of Love” and they were expelled because there was too much brown in their blood. They weren’t Muslims but many might have practiced secretly because they were forced to openly convert. You obviously ignore what happened to the brave Muslims that chose not to convert or leave. They were tortured and killed.
November 17th, 2010 at 5:16 pm
Congrats Mosizzle! You made it big man.You are on jihadwatch.!!
November 17th, 2010 at 5:20 pm
Just to let you know Spencer..I wanna be famous too..How about this..
Yesterday i saw you in my dreams and you were lying dead in a pool of muslim shit.hahahaha!
November 17th, 2010 at 5:32 pm
Look Spencer’s disciple going mad at us when their terrorist leader aka Robert Spencer was insulted at loonwatch(btw we do that all the time)
Author Profile Page sumdum | November 17, 2010 3:16 PM | Reply
It doesn’t stop to surprise me that they project onto their enemies the things they are or do themself. They call us fascists, accuse christians of abductions of children to convert them, and now this.. yet it all applies and is true of them.
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Another of his disciple showing jihadwatch’s true colours:
Author Profile Page SaleemSmith | November 17, 2010 3:18 PM | Reply
Muhammad was an insane goat and camel f**ker.
Who then went on to become a murderer,
A rapist,
And a child molester.
Many of Moh-dumbf**k-hammerheads sheep are perpetually lost…
They cannot and will not be “saved”…
So don’t waste your valuable time and effort trying to do so…
YOU MUSLIMS really are ****ing pathetic…
LOLLLLLLlllllllllllllllllllllllllll
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And spencer fumes just coz he was called a cancer…
Mr Spencer..Why don’t you go and FCUK yourself.
November 17th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
To,
Spencer and your goons,
We are still waiting to hear some more excuses to avoid a radio debate with Danios.
And for your kind reminder we also called you a chicken and a thug..
Please vist the website spencerwatch.com for further information.we dedicated this website to you ……so enjoy!!
http://spencerwatch.com/2010/11/01/jihadwatch-afraid-to-debate-loonwatch/
November 17th, 2010 at 5:58 pm
And one more thing ..Next time please don’t forget to mention the name..
It’s………….LOONWATCH
November 17th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Yeah, Lol, apparently poor wittle Robert Spencer took my joke as a death threat. He just needs another excuse to defame this site. As usual his post didn’t include a link to Spencerwatch, in case his readers saw the truth.
http://spencerwatch.com/2010/11/08/spencer-upset-muslims-take-on-extremists/#comment-2026
I have replied on that page about the comment. He was looking to find negative comments to attack this site with. I’m so sorry, guys!
November 17th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
@Mosizzle..you don’t really need to defend your point…he is a master at defaming people,community and anything that goes againt his hate agenda..
If he wants to show this website as a hate-site,he will do it anyways withou you or me doing anything and his readers are going to take it up as a sermon without checking the facts for themselves…You can imagine the fear when he has not for once mentioned loonwatch’s name in the article..So just chill!!
December 9th, 2010 at 6:32 am
This is by no means evidence of islamophobia, it is merely an isolated incident of one nutter doing something bad. There’s nothing in American law or in Chirsitan teachings telling this boy to go out and commit this crime. And while you publicise this one white nutter assaulting a Muslim, wh don’t you write something about all the Christians attacked and killed daily in Muslim lands for none other than being non-Muslims. People put on death row because they don’t agree that Muhammad was a prophet. Islamophobia doesn’t exist, it’s an invention of violent islamist murderers to try to deflect from their own phobia. Phobia is an irrational fear of something, so how about this then: Islam denies it’s women the right to marry non-Muslims, why? Because their children will be non-Muslim. What’s that if not an irrational fear? Islam denies it’s adherents the right to convert away from Islam, why? Because then there will be more non-Muslims and less Muslims. Do you see what I’m getting at here? Islam has the irrational fear of non-Muslims, not the other way around. Islam is infidelophobe. Islam tells Muslims not to take sides with a non-Muslim against a Muslim in an argument, why? Because they don’t ever want to admit a non-Muslim might be right. Irrational fear!
December 17th, 2010 at 4:43 pm
Barnaby,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Alalhu A’lam
December 28th, 2010 at 12:20 pm
@Barnaby
“Islam tells Muslims not to take sides with a non-Muslim against a Muslim in an argument, why? Because they don’t ever want to admit a non-Muslim might be right. Irrational fear!”
It is not an irrational fear, it’s a clever piece of dogma, forged by a cunning warrior politician.
We constantly harp on Hitler nowadays but we tolerate such an alien totalitarian backward cult !
That won’t last, fortunately, but the collateral effects will be terrible.
December 28th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Wow… I’m amazed at the absolutely abysmal grammar used by our resident Islamophobic bigots. If you are going to claim you are ‘championing western culture’ or some other such nonsense, at the very least do us the favor of using PROPER English. It’s not a difficult language to acquire proficiency in.
@ Cheryl:
> One can easily say that “The Seven Pillars of Wisdom” was a warning to
> the West.
Did you actually READ the book? It was written by T.E. Lawrence, aka ‘Lawrence of Arabia,’ a British officer who was largely sympathetic to the Arabs and led the Arab revolt against the Turks. Yes, he sensationalized things and left a somewhat mixed record, but he was hardly anti-Muslim.
> What you going to do, burn the Mona Lisa?
What? That’s a non-sequitur… nobody is calling for burning the Mona Lisa. But the key difference here is that you immediately see any acceptance of Islam – or things from the Middle East – as being a betrayal of ‘western’ civilizations. The cultural achievements that you list off are not universal. They are only focused on Euro-American culture. We have our own achievements too, and I find it especially amusing since the Mediterranean world in particular has a long history of contact and exchange with the Muslim world. Is what happened in Venice, Constantinople or Madrid really so different from Cairo, Aleppo or Baghdad? I think not.
You praise the achievements of Europe and view them as the be all, end all. But what about al-Azhar University in Cairo? What about the Taj Mahal, Lal Qila, and Sankore Mosque at Timbuktu? You claim we have no culture, yet we can claim musicians like Nusrat Fateh Ali Khan, Farida Mohammad Ali and Youssou N’Dour. We can claim writers and poets like Amir Khusrau, Rumi, Hafez and Sir Muhammad Iqbal. We have Alf Layla wa Layla (the Thousand and One Nights), Layla wa Majnoun, Kalila wa Dimna, and the Haft Paykar…
Western culture is all very well and good. I’m not going to disparage the great achievements of Europe and America. Quite the opposite, I greatly appreciate the 18-19th centuries in particular. BUT… that doesn’t mean you can’t also acknowledge and appreciate other cultures as well.
> Destroy all the statues of great people?
There are those in Muslim countries too. Remember the hideous statue of Saddam Hussein being torn down that became an iconic image of the Iraq War? There are statues of historical figures like Timur in Toshkent, ibn Khaldun in Tunis, and one of Cheng Ho outside the Museum of History and Ethnology in Malacca. Another very famous one is the big statue of Saladin and the Crusaders in Damascus that was unveiled sometime around 2000 or so. I think that there’s a statue of ibn Battuta in Tangier too…
> Ban all musical instruments?
You mean like ‘oud, qanun, ney, daff, darbuka, saz, santoor, tar, cümbüş, rebab, zill, ghaida, mezouad… you know, all the instruments which are widely played in ‘traditional’ Arabic, Turkish, Persian and Kurdish music? Some of those instruments actually related to European instruments too. The santoor and qanun are dulcimers, the ‘oud is the ancestor of the lute (and from that also guitars and banjos), mezouad are bagpipes, etc.
> Take your sharia law and shove it down your throats, please, and leave
> the rest of us alone.
You know… here in the US I have far more to worry about with the evangelicals trying to force THEIR religious laws down my throat than even the most extreme of my co-religionists. Do you expect Hindus, Wiccans, Jews, Sikhs, Buddhists and others might feel the same way too?
> I’m sure Pam would agree with me, don’t yo?
Who cares what Pam does?
@ Eternal:
> Regarding the Hitler thing, it is very old fashioned you know. The nuts > who wrongly use that “final” argument should be cautious. We were not
> born at that time and we only know the winners’ version of History.
> Russian, English and American, helped by the Jewish people, won the war.
> Hitler could never have been defeated by less advanced countries, so you
> should all be thankful to these Western countries.
> Be careful with your threats, insults and bad behaviour not to make too
> many Westerners wonder whether the outcome of WW II was after all such a
> good thing. Just a piece of advice…
Man, eternal, what the heck is up with you? This isn’t the first time you’ve made posts where you talk about admiring Hitler. It’s… kind of creepy really, but perhaps not too surprising. Hitler was decidedly ‘white’ and ‘Western.’ And moreover, he tried to assure the ‘supremacy’ of his racist ideology by killing those who opposed to him, and implementing anti-miscegenation laws (something which existed in America at one point).
Perhaps its at least something to be thankful for, as you Islamophobes violently disagree with one another as much as you hate us. Perhaps it will keep you disorganized and distracted.
December 29th, 2010 at 8:58 am
“Perhaps it will keep you disorganized and distracted”
You are right, that’s your best chance to spread your creepy fairytale around the world.
But I wouldn’t bet too much on that…
Westerners and non-Westerners are beginning to unite against your so perfect “religion”. Wake up, born-muslims, drop Mohammad’s cult, it’ only a joke if start thinking about it.
December 29th, 2010 at 9:14 am
^^ I have no problem with ‘Atheism’, in fact most of my family are Atheists, but I do have a problem with ‘Evangelical Atheists’ like the one above. He/she/it has just droped out of one ‘religion’ and picked up ‘Atheism’ or whatever he/she/it follows to preach instead. Dull…
December 31st, 2010 at 5:15 am
Whatever happens, whatever you think, remember to keep FACTS out of any reasoning process. Go through life parroting others, never deduce, always repeat what you’ve read and heard others say. Always believe what those who have power over your narrow field of world vision tell you and, consequently, want you to believe is true. You’ve learned to follow and your handlers point you out to others as “an example” of correct behavior. You pride yourself on your reasoning ability yet you fail to take into account the information that you process is deeply flawed so you cannot begin to grasp your failed conclusions are a product of mass missinformation. Your rulers are proud of you because whenever you look into the mirror in your mind you see them. So, go ahead, believe you are smarter than others and believe that, because others think the way you do, you are “right”.
You are actually too immature to comprehend the above paragraph, but that is to be expected. You take to easy way out by shifting the “blame” to others when, in fact, either there is no reason for “blame” or it is missdirected. You think and act as if you know the answer when, in fact, you can’t even formulate the question.
You look around and, even though bags of money has arrived over the past forty years, you have a hard time finding clinics, day care and schools, hospitals, parks, and what one would expect to find in an advanced civilization. What you do find are new street signs renaming a road or square after the latest suicide bomber.
And yet you are sitting on your high horse, but it’s only in your mind.
December 31st, 2010 at 5:49 am
“Whatever happens, whatever you think, remember to keep FACTS out of any reasoning process. Go through life parroting others, never deduce, always repeat what you’ve read and heard others say. Always believe what those who have power over your narrow field of world vision tell you and, consequently, want you to believe is true.”
(…)
“You take to easy way out by shifting the “blame” to others when, in fact, either there is no reason for “blame” or it is missdirected [sic].”
(…)
“And yet you are sitting on your high horse, but it’s only in your mind.”
^ I don’t know about you, but this coming from a rabid islamophobe is the height of irony.
December 31st, 2010 at 9:25 am
“You look around and, even though bags of money has arrived over the past forty years, you have a hard time finding clinics, day care and schools, hospitals, parks, and what one would expect to find in an advanced civilization. What you do find are new street signs renaming a road or square after the latest suicide bomber.”
I’ve never had a problem finding those things in Muslim countries. But I haven’t found a single road or square named after a suicide bomber. Perhaps you are confusing Gaza with the rest of the Muslim World. Since you have such a problem with suicide attackers being venerated perhaps you can also say something about the 10 000 Israelis that have made pilgrimage to the grave of Dr Baruch Goldstein who lay down his life to kill innocent Palestinians as they prayed in the Cave of the
Patriarchs Mosque. He was celebrated as a martyr when he died by extremist Jews. One Rabbi called him the “greatest Jew” and “100 percent perfect” because of his terrorism. He is buried near a park named in memory of extremist Jew and founder of terrorist group Kach, Rabbi Meir Kahane
If you are so ignorant about the state of the Muslim world that you assume there is just an empty, undeveloped desert from Morroco to Malaysia, then please do a quick Google Search and tell me where the world’s tallest building is and where they are holding the world’s highest fireworks display tonight.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Burj_Khalifa_building.jpg
December 31st, 2010 at 11:24 am
^ I can see those fireworks out of my window, terribly showy but interesting, this *is* the country that insisted on having the worlds biggest fireworks display for the opening ceremony of the worlds most luxury hotel, five times larger than the Olympic display (saw those from my window too)
But yes, it’s the standard stuff that I’ve come to expect coming from up there, ignorant to the extreme. Oh, and regarding so called ‘development’, I’ve come across plenty of places in the so called ‘developed’ west with none of that stuff mentioned and plenty of places in so called ‘undeveloped’ countries that have. I’d ask you to get some knowledge before spouting off like that.
December 31st, 2010 at 11:50 am
Really Jack, I’m not seeing a great deal of fireworks. But then again, I don’t live in PJ.
December 31st, 2010 at 12:24 pm
I’m in the UAE for New Year (flying back to KL on the 2nd), I can see the whole skyline from where I am
Did you get that email?
December 31st, 2010 at 1:41 pm
cheryl, eternel et al,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5hfYJsQAhl0
Allahu A’lam