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The Nuclear Card

2 Tennessee Pastors Burn Korans

Posted on 13 September 2010 by Garibaldi

The originator of the Burn a Koran day, Pastor Terry Jones based his vile act on Acts 19:19 which stated that the early Christians burned the books of some who practiced witch-craft. Terry Jones backed down from his threat to burn the Koran because he said he received a sign from God not to do it. However, some other ministers went ahead with it.

2 ministers burn Quran in Tennessee backyard

SPRINGFIELD — A Florida pastor’s threat to burn Islam’s holy book on the anniversary of 9/11 set off a nationwide furor and incited Muslim anger as far away as Afghanistan, but the incendiary plan ended quietly in the backyard of a home in Springfield.

After a week that included warnings that burning the Quran would endanger American troops overseas, a personal phone call from Defense Secretary Robert Gates and an appeal from President Barack Obama to listen to “those better angels,” the Rev. Terry Jones of Gainesville, Fla., relented and canceled his plans.

But the Rev. Bob Old vowed to stick with his plan to burn the Quran.

On Saturday, despite the national tempest and opposition from conservative Christian leaders including Middle Tennessee pastors, Old carried out his plan.

But for all the controversy and hype, his Quran burning took place in front of just a handful of people, most of them from the media.

Old and the Rev. Danny Allen stood together in Old’s backyard, answering what they say was a message from God.

The pair soaked two copies of the Quran and one other Islamic text with lighter fluid, ignited them and watched the books disintegrate into ashes on the ninth anniversary of the terrorist attacks carried out by Islamic extremists that killed nearly 3,000 Americans.

Old acknowledged that aside from Allen he had little other support, even from his family.

“I do this without the blessings of others,” he said.

Old did not address his critics directly, but he said that the Christian church has failed the people.

“The American people have a great deal to gain and a great deal to lose in supporting the Muslim faith,” Old said. “My belief is that we as a nation are in dangerous territory.”

“This is a book of hate, not a book of love,” Old said, holding the Quran, before setting it afire. “It’s a false book, it’s a false prophet (Muhammad) and it’s false Scripture.”

Then the two conducted what Old called a “peaceful demonstration” with little fanfare. Eight journalists gathered in Old’s backyard during the burning.

3 Protest Burning

Three protesters stood across the street from Old’s home, holding signs that read “My husband fights terrorism and your actions perpetuate it” and “Proud of my country but ashamed of my neighbors.”

Ashley Parsons of Fort Campbell said she protested to show support for her husband, Matthew, who is serving in Afghanistan.

“It’s been said by our military leaders and the president that these sorts of things cause harm to our troops over there,” Parsons said. “Why would someone take a national tragedy and make it controversial? It’s tragic.”

  • Ashley Parsons

    I am Ashley Parsons, the one who staged the protest, I want to thank all those for the words of kindness…

  • http://www.facebook.com/britpak Mohammed Abbasi

    Americans really need to rein in their fanatics

  • saeed

    Julian sorry Iforgot to add my final point , you said Jesus never raised an army, well during his life jesus PBWH was not persecuted,he would openly give sermons to thousands , he had people who did not like him but never had mass opposition or armys marching against him, it was not until he was taken that the threat against him became real, by then it was to late as you are standing against the largest empire on earth( Romans), Muhammed PBUH was persecuted from day one, his followers murdered and he had numerous attempts made on his life, to defend yourself and fight back was the only way and thats what he did, something done by many other prophets, David PBUH against golalith , solomon PBUH against numerous armies, even Moses PBUH killed an egyptian who mistreated a slave as well as leading the pharoah and his armies to their deaths in the parting of the seas, many other prophets also fought. Muhammed PBUH only done what many other prophets done before him, Jesus PBWH did not need or require the armies, and before anyone asks PBUH means Peace be upon him, PBWH means peace be with him, as we Muslims believe Jesus PBWH is alive and will return back to earth whilst Muhammed PBUH died and will not.

  • Nur Alia

    @Halal pork

    You wrote this:

    “…1:First of all Jesus-The Messiah,whom your forefathers crucified,would not tell his followers to kill 3000 innocent people and destroy their families..”

    In the Bible is says this:

    “…Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:13)”

    If you belive Jesus is personified God, then in some form Jesus ordered the murder of whole groups of people…according to the Bible, or Jesus isnt God. Choose one. Other wise…accept this.

    In the name of Jesus (according to the offenders) millions upon millions of people were murdered. Whole societies destroyed. In the name of Jesus…this world will never recover some of its diversity in the dictate you have to ‘bring the gospel to everyone’…even if it means killing them for thier own good. So…either Jesus isnt God…or you accept this.

    No where in the Qur’an does it say that God needs help with swords, guns, tanks and airplanes to do his will…and yet, you “in the name of Jesus” blindly excuse the murder of innocent people because they are Muslim…as revenge for a dispicable act by 19 people in the name of Islam. That is however, if the offical story is ‘fully’ true.

    Halal pork…remember again…the Bible says this:

    “Whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:13)”

    This also means why you…a Christian…would support people being uprooted form thier houses by force…thier houses bombed indescriminatly…thir land deprived by blockades…the people humiliated…all for the god of a nation state.

    Does this mean you would support the god of Nazi Germany…or the god of the former Soviet Union?…How about the God of the Congo…who rapes women…or the god of apartied South Africa.

    Get the point?

    Understand this Halal Pork…Justice always comes to the evil doer. They may be given a heros welcome and a medal on earth…they may win fame, fortune, political office, and glory by fanning hatred against others…but justice will come never the less.

    Do not get self righteous with me.

  • saeed

    Julian I did not say Hitler was a practising Christian so please do not lie or just try to read my point more carefully, if you read Mein Kampf the book Hitler penned whilst under lock and key he stated his hatred for Jews, one of those reasons was being the crucifiction of Jesus, also I did not say Nazism is a off shoot of christianity what I did say was that nazis built churches near concentration camps and many SS would worship there, they where not worshipping Hitler in those churches or Nazism, it was christianity, also I am sure the vast majority of us have watched Raiders of the Lost Ark with Harrison Ford, well it is not to far from the truth, Hitler sanctioned the SS to hunt down and find the spear of destiny( the supposed spear a roman centuriun used to pierce the side of Jesus whilst he was on the crucifix) Hitler thought because the spear had the blood of Christ on the spear it would have mystical powers, now why oh why would a non believing Hitler want this spear if he did not believe in christianity, many of the higher members of the Nazis including Gobbels where staunch christians, I suggest you actually read into the collaberation of the Church with Nazis in the Holocaust, and as Zakariya wrote in a much better way than me, one only needs to see how the teachings of Jesus where distorted by christians and how much blood has been split in his name, even the Iraq war had Bush and Blair both claiming to be guided by God, You asked me for proof well here it comes,
    Matthew 10:34 “I come not to bring peace but to bring the sword”
    Lev:26:7 And ye shall chase your enemies and they shall fall before you by the sword”
    Matthew 26:51 And behold one of them which were with Jesus stretched out his hand and drew his sword and struck the high priest and smote his ear”

    Regarding the spear of destiny I suggest you read the book by the noted historian Trevor Ravenscroft published by Neville spearman of London in 1974, there are also numerous other books on the topic as well,

    Quotes from Mein Kampf confirming Hitlers faith:
    “I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty creator by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord”
    Page 67-68

    “As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated , but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice, for as a christian I also have a duty to my people”
    Adolf Hitler speech 12 April 1922, Book called “The speeches of Hitler from 1920 t0 1936 vol 1 of 2 page 19, author Norman H Baynes, printed by Oxford university Press.
    There are numerous other speeches he and other leading nazis made but I will leave it up to you to do a bit of research yourself.
    Jesus PBWH I love , it those who have distorted his words and inflicted two thousand years of murder and mayhem I have a problem with.

  • http://www.counterculture-jihad.com Zakariya Ali Sher

    > Saeed, you equate Jesus with bringing a sword, but Jesus never killed
    > anyone and did not raise an army to kill.

    It’s not Jesus I have a problem with; it’s his fan club. Sorry to quote a bumper sticker there, but it’s true. Jesus didn’t raise a sword. His followers did, and have committed more than a few atrocities in his name. Look up ‘Ezana of Axum, Prince Vladimir, or Charles Martel. All of them instituted Christianity as a religion BY FORCE, more often than not punishing those who dared adopt another faith (or another denomination of Christianity; just read up on the conflicts between Catholics and Protestants in Europe if you don’t believe me).

  • http://www.counterculture-jihad.com Zakariya Ali Sher

    @ Julian:

    Hitler was areligious. The link you cited actually is in agreement on this; while he co-opted Germanic pagan symbolism, there is no evidence that he (or any of the Nazi higher ups, save for Himmler) actually BELIEVED in Germanic neo-pagan groups. In fact, Hitler actually made it a point of suppressing Theosophy and Germanic neo-Pagan societies after he came to power.

    More quotes from your own link:

    “Catholicism and Nazism have a more complicated relationship than some might think. Hitler both despised and admired various aspects of the Roman Catholic Church. Though the Nazi movement was superficially areligious, even anti-religious, the Nazi’s greatest piece of propaganda and self-aggrandizement, Leni Riefenstahl’s 1934 film about the Nuremberg Party Rally, Triumph of the Will, is in many ways profoundly religious. The film both makes use of Catholic religious imagery and draws on the Catholic sacramental tradition to give dignity and legitimacy to its construction of Adolf Hitler as the “god” of the Nazi movement”

    AND

    “Hitler himself was not purely or simply anti-Catholic or anti-Church, and certainly not so before his rise to power. He was a baptized Catholic, as was his propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, and a number of other prominent members of his administration. Interestingly, though both men rejected their Catholic faith and recognized that they had excommunicated themselves, neither ever formally left the Church and dutifully continued to pay church taxes until their respective deaths. Hitler’s own mother, to whom he was very close, was a devoted Catholic, and Hitler received Catholic schooling during his childhood in Austria… In his extensive, often contradictory writings and “table-talk,” Hitler reveals an ambivalent attitude toward the Catholic Church. As an institution on German soil, he is very much opposed to it, and he ridicules the teachings of Church fathers and the practice of the Catholic faith…”

    So Hitler had an ambivalent view of Christianity, and Catholicism in particular. This should hardly be surprising, as it is very much the relationship he had with any other group outside of the Nazi party.

    Hitler was also quoted as saying “I need Bavarian Catholics as well as Prussian Protestants to build up a great political movement.” Perhaps you should read this article: http://www.forteantimes.com/features/articles/915/how_the_nazis_stole_christmas.html. It does a very good job examining Hitler’s relationship with religion. A very telling quote:

    “There was, ultimately, no attempt to replace the two Confessions with a ‘national religion’. Hitler may have dreamt of at least uniting the disparate Protestant denominations into a ‘Reich Church’, but he seems to have had little sympathy for those within the party who wished to replace Christianity with a new, purpose-built ‘national’ religion; as early as his imprisonment in Landsberg prison, where he wrote Mein Kampf, he appears to have decided that his movement would not be of a völkisch-religious nature, and criticised those who promoted such ideas: “For the political leader the religious doctrines and institutions of his people must always remain inviolable; or else he has no right to be in politics but should become a reformer, if he has what it takes!””

    AND

    “Though nominally a Catholic, Hitler – like previous generations of nationalists – revealed a preference for the content of German Protestantism, which, from the mid-19th century had given rise to a particular type of theology based on the idea of the ‘nation’ (and, by extension, the ‘race’) as one of the Orders of God’s Creation; such ideas would feed directly into the Nazi vision of the sacred nature of the German national identity.”

    The picture that begins to emerge from this is that Hitler was a political opportunist, and that his ideology was UNIQUELY Western, based in large part on the imagined ideals of nationalism and the State. It was, in many ways, not so different from the ideology prevalent in much of Europe today. The BNP, UDC, PVV… all of these are very much intellectually the descendants of the Nazi Party. Right down to the idea of promoting a ‘national culture’ and being rid of ethnic and religious minorities. And it is a view that is only possible within the Western paradigm.

  • julian riotoni

    Saeed,

    “or the Holocaust which where all justified in his name”

    The Nazis were NOT Christians!!! Nazism was a blend of National Folk, Germanic Teutonic religion and runic symbolism. At no point did Hitler or his upper echelon profess to being Christian or committing the holocaust in the name of Christ.
    If you have links please post them, do not lie or speculate.

    http://www.adherents.com/people/ph/Adolf_Hitler.html

    “Hitler rejected Christianity”.

    “From the start of the Nazi movement, “the destruction of Christianity was explicitly recognized as a purpose of the National Socialist movement,”

    Saeed, you equate Jesus with bringing a sword, but Jesus never killed anyone and did not raise an army to kill.

  • Ibrahim Shareef

    Doesn’t halal pork have other things to do in his/her life than to troll around on this website? He/she’s around here a lot.

  • phatima

    WHOAAAA!!!!……PEOPLE QUOTE THE VERSE 5 OF CHAPTER 9 OF QURAN SO MUCH!!!!
    ARE PREASANT PEOPLE SOOOO IGNORANT THAT THEY CAN BELIEVE IN A WRONG WAY, SOMETHING PROVIDED TO THEM WITHOUT CONTEXT!!!!!?????

    @HALAL PORK:HAVE YOU EVER BOTHERED TO READ THE NEXT VERSE THAT IS THE 6TH VERSE???here it is for your information:
    ”And if anyone of the Mushrikûn (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allâh) SEEKS YOUR PROTECTION THEN GRANT HIM PROTECTION, so that he may hear the Word of Allâh (the Qur’ân), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not”.

  • smn

    What if the muslims start burning Bibles? wont the earth be shouting on them?? but muslims have brains!! they are not stupid to burn smthng tht God has recited into the Quran…and is tht wht says in bible in christianity? to burns others sacred books?? is this wht Jesus has thought??

  • Eternel

    Well, I used to think that Koran’s burnings were useless but I am not so sure now…

  • Cynic

    Don’t feed the troll people. Not worth it.

  • saeed

    Halal PIG I think you will find that within the bible there are numerous verses about killing, even Jesus (PBWH) is in the bible quoted as saying ” I have come with the sword” amongst others, but unlike you I do not blame Jesus for the crusades or slavery, or the Holocaust which where all justified in his name, as Jews burnt in ovens , the SS would attend church and read the bible, I do not equate their actions with those of the ones Jesus (PBWH) would teach. You however, being dropped on your head as a child can only see the world in black and white.

  • IbnAbuTalib

    dorky pork: First of all Jesus-The Messiah,whom your forefathers crucified,would not tell his followers to kill 3000 innocent people and destroy their families.

    No, he would do it himself.

  • Cynic

    CAPS LOCK 2 SHOW MY RAEG!!!!!!!1111!…………..I’m so baddass, and I know exactly what I’m talking about….DURP.

    /halal pork impersonation

  • http://googlemail halal pork

    @JUSTIN:I am not surprised at you quoting the HOLY BIBLE.Even the SATAN,quoted the Bible,when he tempted JESUS in the wilderness.SO,BE OFF SATAN.Why don’t the Muslims ever stop their people from burning the Churches,Holy Bibles and Christians alive in their Muslim countries like Pakistan and Egypt?Islam is not a religion but a vile and violent political ideology introduced by Mohammad.Muslims are too thick to understand that.The lust for 72 black eyed houries drives them mental and they are ready to kill innocent people without mercy.

  • http://googlemail halal pork

    @ Mindy 1:First of all Jesus-The Messiah,whom your forefathers crucified,would not tell his followers to kill 3000 innocent people and destroy their families.It was only the false prophet Mohammad who told his followers to kill Non_Muslims.Read the Quran Sura9:5 and there are hundreds of other verses which incite violence against others.Jesus did tell to turn the other cheek but he never told to keep turning for ever.Mohammad was a prince of terror and violence.His aim was to dominate the world to spread his evil ideology.You seem to be a bit soft in your little head.Try to live in the real world.If you ever kiss a poisonous SNAKE,it would never return the compliment.It is not in its nature.

  • RDS

    I think LoonWatch better run stories like when this one skateboarder snatched a Quran out from someone who tried to burn it. Not only that, another person snatched the lighter so the pastor is only left with a lighter fluid.

    http://amarillo.com/news/local-news/2010-09-12/protester-steals-quran-thwarts-burning

    ^that one I mean.

  • maruf

    I’m so sorry for these two reverends. If only they knew the conseqences of their wrongful acts, they’ll be so sorry for themselves as well. Well, I’m not Almighty Allah to judge but I can guarantee they will live to regret what they’ve done. They will be punished here on earth, in their graves, and in the after life. The quran doesn’t contains words of man but of Allah. He shall surely judge.

  • ST

    JD – no, it’s not like the guy who drives the company forklift through the office. Destroying a book hurt no one.

    Justin – If Osama isn’t mainstream, why is his name so popular?

    (Note that this is from 1999, when the Kenya bombings were probably his most recent attacks.)
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/390248.stm

  • JD

    hope they feel special who cares its just a book what counts is what is inside what they wanted media attention so people will come to there backup middle of the hill billy woods church so they can get money……

    You dont agree with it ok thats fine but why are you burning it(OTHER THEN GET ON TV)… that is like someone at a office meeting and they dont go with your idea so drives the company forklift thou the office

  • http://loonwatch NassirH

    Loons and bigots burning Qurans again?

    Been there, done that.

  • Justin

    Very interesting. I’m sure Spencer would whine (at least publicly) about how Terry Jone’s interpretation of Acts 19:19 is not in line with mainstream Christianity, but when Muslims use the same argument about Osama Bin Laden (that bin Laden is not mainstream) Spencer will cry foul. Spencer is not really interested in what Christianity says anyway, otherwise he would love his Muslim neighbors and he wouldn’t apply hypocritical double standards when he compares Islam and Christianity.

    Let me ask you Spencer, “Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?” (Matthew 7:3)Mr. Spencer, why do you ignore this teaching of Christ (and comparative religion departments in US universities)? Because you are not interested in Christ, faith, scholarship, or what is right. You just want to get rich selling your stupid hate-books and make a petty name for yourself, just like Terry Jones. People will forget you as they forget any bigot.

  • mindy1

    Is that what Jesus would do?

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