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What if they Were Muslim?: Creeping Halacha in Orange County?

Posted on 01 September 2010 by Emperor

Imagine if Muslims had put up a similar sign, or if Muslim women were scowling at visitors who dressed in daisy dukes and halter tops. Islamophobes like Bikini Vlogger Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer would be howling to the moon about how Muslims are trying to take over America and impose Islam on the masses. (hat tip: ELi)

Welcome to Kiryas Joel: Please Dress Accordingly

KIRYAS JOEL, N.Y. (CBS 2) – You may never see a more unusual “Welcome” sign in Orange County.

A sign in Kiryas Joel, the Hasidic Jewish enclave, is evoking mixed reaction.

Monroe resident Jessica Pantalemon stopped to cash a check in Kiryas Joel wearing a bright pink tank top and white shorts. She said she noticed scowling faces.

“Just from the women, mostly,” she said. “The guys let me walk by, the women stop and stare, start whispering to each other…I just ignore them.”

The tradition in the village of Satmar Hasidic Jews is modesty. Even on the hottest of days, most residents cover up from head to toe. But visitors don’t necessarily follow that tradition, and now the main synagogue is asking them to comply.

Congregation Yetev Lev posted signs at the village’s entrance – in both English and Spanish – asking outsiders to cover their legs and arms, use appropriate language and maintain gender separation in public.

“It’s a way of respect,” said one resident.

In fact, most residents say it’s simply a polite reminder to respect the local culture, and many visitors take the signs in that spirit.

“It’s nice to request that people behave in a way respect to their beliefs,” said Barry Kaufmann of Wantagh.

But the sign struck a sour note with some.

“They’re telling us that we can’t come into their community unless we dress a certain way,” said Adia Parker, an Orange County resident.

“I feel like my constitutional rights are being violated,” said Tyrone Wheeler, a day laborer in the village seeking work.

A village trustee pointed out the signs said nothing about consequences for violating these guidelines – because there are no consequences.

“We’re not threatening anyone,” said Rabbi Jacob Freund. “Everybody is free to come in and be the same, like all other places in the United States.”

So dressing like Jessica Pantalemon may elicit a scowl, but it won’t earn you a summons.

The New York Civil Liberties Union said because the signs were paid for privately and are not on public land and they pass constitutional muster.

  • shlomo

    Good job fellow Jews and Westerners. We’ve been righteous enough that in order for liberals to justify a religion of repression and blood they have to turn to condemning Jews for uncomfortable stares and blood libel.

    Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness, who put bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter.
    Isaiah 5:20

  • saeed

    Good on you my Jewish brothers and sisters. Nothing wrong with asking others to show a bit of respect.

  • http://www.facebook.com/britpak Mohammed Abbasi

    This simply proves two things:

    1. We Muslims are closer to our Jewish brothers and sisters and

    2. The Baptist/Rapturist Fanatics are our common enemy

  • nat

    Sorry Justin. I must have missed the sarcasm in your comments. I getcha now. It’s just so many people say such things in earnest, I’ve lost my sense of humor about it all. Apologies. :)

  • julian riotoni

    “And it hasn’t. Putting up sign requesting modest dress doesn’t violate any law.”

    But isn’t this creeping Halacha Law? Hasidic Jews dictating what people should and shouldn’t wear. It’s just a sign you say? Really?

  • nat

    @ julian riitoni

    “Because this is America and Jewish Law SHOULD NEVER TAKE PRECEDENCE OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW!”

    And it hasn’t. Putting up sign requesting modest dress doesn’t violate any law.

  • julian riitoni

    “eh why”?

    Because this is America and Jewish Law SHOULD NEVER TAKE PRECEDENCE OF CONSTITUTIONAL LAW!

    Understand?

    @ Michael

    Yeah, not sure what planet I was on when I wrote that…planet vodka. But you are right and it’s not an anti jewish article.

    Although towns can set their own ordnance rules they have to follow constitutional rules, unless it’s on private property.

    I think the signs, and the slurs are pretty forward and religiously intolerant, expecting “outsiders” to conform to Hasidic regulations.

  • Michael Elwood

    “That’s non story right there.”

    It’s a story to the non-terroristic Muslims the group labels Islamic terrorists. Isn’t pointing out the double standards against Muslims kinda the point, or story if you will, of the “What if they were Muslims?” articles?

    “Dont let this blog become anti Jewish please”

    Don’t worry, Julian. It won’t. You, me, and others won’t let that happen. :-)

  • julian riotoni

    Michael

    That’s non story right there. Dont let this blog become anti Jewish please

  • Michael Elwood

    Muslims get arrested for shooting paint-ball guns, but Jewish terrorists can play G.I. Joe with real guns unmolested:

    http://rt.com/Top_News/2010-09-02/israel-veterans-usa-training.html

  • George

    I can see why they would have gotten upset with that woman–who wears white short shorts? You can completely see her butt in those things!

  • nat

    @ moorishamerican

    that’s a low blow.

    @ julian riotoni

    Eh, why?

  • http://loonwatch NassirH

    I have nothing against Jewish modesty but I do take issue with Islamophobic hypocrisy.

  • mindy1

    My two cents-if you are in a modest community, be modest out of respect. But it should be voluntary,and people who choose not to comply should not be insulted for it

  • julian riotoni

    “Gender separation in all public areas.” Huh? Is this the USA? Is this Georgia in the 1950′s?? Screw this, we should all just turn up, thousands of us, gay black muslim hindu christian jewish buddhist tao agnostic and just walk through that bloody place holding hands reading from the Constitution and handing out flowers.

  • http://loonwatch NassirH

    If Muslims did anything like that there would be far right protests.

  • moorishamerican

    Wow! Never thought I’d see “polite” and “Hasidic” in the same essay.

  • Av tu Rav

    Beirut is beautiful. But don’t get too comfy, Yisrael might attack at any time. Surely supported by Kiryas Joel?

    I know it is a bit of a non sequitor but I couldn’t help it. Also strictly speaking there is nothing wrong with their sign but I see what you are saying about how if Muslims did it it would be the definite end of the world for most people.

  • Daniel

    No harm, no foul…but you’re absolutely right, if Muslims do it, it becomes “stealth Jihad.”

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