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Republicans for Strip Club Near Ground Zero, but No Mosque

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Nothing says “family values” like preferring a strip club in your neighborhood over a place of worship.

Poll: More Republicans Support Strip Club Over Mosque Near Ground Zero (Huffington Post)

A new survey from the Democratic-affiliated firm Public Policy Polling finds that more Republicans support constructing a strip club than a mosque near Ground Zero.

Just four percent of Republican respondents said they support building a mosque two blocks from the site, whereas 21 percent said they would be fine with a strip club. Forty-nine percent of Democrats said they supported the mosque and 33 for the strip club. Among Independents, it was 34 percent for the mosque and 28 percent for the strip club.

“This shows the extent and impact of the recent rise in anti-Islam rhetoric in our society that people would rather have some kind of establishment perpetuating immoral behavior over a house of worship [run] by people who are trying to promote morality and ethics and righteous behavior,” said Ibrahim Hooper, spokesperson for Council on American-Islamic Relations.

During the debate over whether to build a planned Islamic cultural center near the memorial site, many media outlets noted that the “sacred” ground surrounding the area is home to all sorts of less-than sacred outlets.

“In a walk of the streets within three blocks of Ground Zero, the Daily News counted 17 pizza shops, 18 bank branches, 11 bars, 10 shoe stores and 17 separate salons where a girl can get her lady parts groomed,” reported the paper in August. It also pointed to a strip club called “Pussycat Lounge” just two blocks from where the World Trade Center once stood, as well as a place called “Thunder Lingerie.”

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  • Cynic

    He’s not an atheist BMD. Ask him to type out G-o-d. He can’t for the life of him lol. Some atheist eh?

  • Beautiful Muslim Doll

    Farlowe

    What does the strip club have to do with Misyar marriages? You apply your own narrow minded logic in that men choose strip clubs to look for Misyar candidates? Did you even read the article?. There is nothing in that Wiki link that says Misyar marriages are conducted with wives from strip clubs.

    They say better to remain silent and let people think you may be a fool rather than open your mouth and remove all doubt. Which is what you just did.

    The Wikipedia link you posted states this

    “In addition to the preceding cases, wealthy Arab men sometimes enter into a Misyar marriage while on vacation, in order to have sexual relations with another woman without committing the sin of zina. They usually divorce the women once their holiday is over.”

    You’re also quite hypocritical if you’re implying Misyar marriages are something that an atheist should object to. Since you claim to be an atheist, I am sure you support the right of consenting adults to have sex, and that right is often abused by unscrupulous parties.

  • Farlowe

    A strip club next to the Mosque. That’s convenient for temporary marriages…
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikah_Misyar

  • Yes, it’s very good Eternal, makes me laugh every time 🙂

  • Eternel
  • Jack Cope

    It’s Jack 😛 I’m not public yet but I like your stuff, can you email me at the.strangers.blog@gmail.com ? I hate cutting up someones work without showing it to them first.

  • @ Jake Cope:

    Yeah, feel free to re-post any and everything I’ve said here. 🙂

    @ Muhammad ‘Abd al-Haqq:

    Thank you brother

  • muhammad ‘abd-al haqq

    @Khushboo and Zakariya Ali Sher

    Jazak Allah

    Keep up the good work, both of you!

    Barak Allah fi kum

    WAllahu A’lam

  • AL2

    @Zakariya Ali Sher
    @muhammad ‘abd-al haqq
    See my comments below interspersed in your reply:
    My first post was removed, so I’ll try again – for the last time. It seems this website has a problem with winning arguments.

    AL, you already understand that there are multiple interpretations of the Holy Qur’an. Is it so hard for you to accept that some of us on this very site are Muslim? That we were born Muslim and/or choose to be Muslim? And coming here insulting someone’s religion is not going to make you many friends.
    AL: I understand most contributors to this site are Muslim and I’m not here to make friends. I’m here to debate the issues at hand.

    You say the terrorists are ‘devout Muslims,’ yet at the same time the 9-11 hijackers stopped at a strip club to get drunk and whore it up. Sure, they may wear the trappings of piety, but let’s face it, if they were purely ideologically motivated then why don’t we see Osama bin Laden sacrificing himself. After all, by your claim he believes he would gain entry into heaven, so what is stopping him? Earthly concerns.
    AL: Devout Muslims men, like devout Christian/Jew/Hindu/etc. men enjoy sex, strip clubs, porn, etc. That doesn’t take away from their conviction/belief.
    Do you realize that the 9/11 terrorists gave their lives to their cause? What other rewards can cause young men to fly an airplane into buildings and kill themselves if not the rewards of the afterlife? Bin Laden sees his role as a leader. His goal is to fight the West. I think that he fully expects to give up his life for Jihad and go to paradise.

    As a non-Muslim, you are an outsider, and getting your information from bull shit sources like Fitna you MIGHT be getting a wee bit of a bias there. Tell me, have you ever actually read the entire Holy Qur’an for yourself? Or living in a Muslim-majority country? Or visiting your local masjid? I’m not asking you to convert, but what I am asking you to do is look at us as fellow human beings and realize that the vast majority of us don’t believe the crap that the terrorist spew.
    AL: I’ve heard plenty of translation of Muslim scholars that indeed advocate violence, supremacism, misogyny, etc. I’ll be happy to send you the links. I don’t believe you or anyone else on LW has better expertise in Islam then these guys.

    Let me put it another way here. You are correct that both I and the terrorists are looking at the same scriptures and getting wildly different messages from it. Could not I say the same of you and your fellow Christians? Jim Jones and his ‘People’s Temple’ took inspiration from Christianity. So did the Lord’s Resistence Army in Uganda. The KKK and many white supremacists have used the Bible to justify ‘white’ and ‘Christianity’ culture dominating America. It doesn’t matter if they are kooks or mainstream, they are still doing the same thing.
    AL: Correction: I’m not a Christian. I’m an atheist. To me, religions (and I mean all of them) are BS although Islam, in especially violent and dangerous. In addition, since it’s also a political ideology, it opposes are democratic values I believe in. Now, to your point, I agree with you that there are kooks in other religions as well as in Islam but, in this day and age, Islam’s kooks are in control (e.g. Achmadenijad), they are NOT a fringe or negligible percentage, and they are far more dangerous, and their protected by the non-kook in Islam.

    We can even take the religious element out of it altogether. The Nazis were a nationalist ideology built on the idea of the supremacy of particular ‘race’ or ‘ethnicity’. They really aren’t that different from the EDL, UDC, BNP, SOIA and other groups. They viewed their ‘culture’ as superior, just as your own people view themselves as ‘superior’ to Islam. And by extension immigrants from Muslim countries. The very idea of nationalism itself, something that only came about recently, is probably responsable for more bloodshed than any religion, extinct or extent! And yet no doubt you view it as ‘patriotism’ and see it as virtuous.
    AL: I’ve heard this nonsensical argument before. Nazism, like Islam, is a political ideology. Although the Nazis were Christians, their ideology was not guided/motivated/supported by Christianity. They did not hold up the bible or shouted Jesus is Lord when committing their acts of terror. I’m not familiar with some of the organization you’ve mentioned, but I don’t think opposing an ideology that is oppressive and violent constitutes supremacism.

    Now I’ll be amongst the first to admit my shortcomings. I’m not the best Muslim in the world, and I don’t pretend to be. I see no need to pretend that I am some puritanical religious nutter. My faith is between me and God. I don’t have anything to prove to you, or to anyone else. I am a Muslim, and proud of it!
    AL: Good for you.

  • Khushboo

    Thank you Zak and Muhammad! I thought Al would be smart enough to get the gist of what I was saying but apparently not. He needs to look at the source directly instead of just believing radicals(Muslims and non-Muslims)or maybe he just wants to believe them because he wants to Hate! He can go on hating but misinforming others about a religion that he obviously knows nothing about is wrong and I’m here to set the facts straight. I’m glad I won’t have to waste anymore time on him thanks to both of you. 🙂

  • Jack Cope

    Zakariya, can I put your post on my blog? I like it 🙂

  • muhammad ‘abd-al haqq

    @Karim

    “The 9/11 attacks have more to do with targetting civilians/non-combatants rather than “suicide”.”

    The 9-11 attacks had to do with both suicide and targeting non-civilians so the ayahs and hadith about suicide are relevant. Do you erroneously believe there are no relevant ayah and hadith on targetting innocents? ihope not!

    “Showing invalidity of suicide doesnt hold if you understand that they dont consider it as suicide in the first place. OBL and friends hold the same ideology that the zionists, hate islam groups and some western foreign policies have ie. guilt by association. They consider them legal target by arguing the civilian/non-combatant population to be associates.”

    Can’t you see that inventing new meanings for suicide and innocents(civilians/noncombatants) is proof and acknowledgement on the part of the terrorists that there is something in Islamic ideology that refutes their positions?

    @AL “Practically, what you or I think about Islam or how we interpret Islam is irrelevant.”

    i am muslim so how i intepret islam and how the majority interpret Islam is most relevant.

    “What really matters is how the terrorists interpret Islam and the answer is obvious. Don’t take my word for it, listen to them and take what they say at face value.”

    Rationalizing the terrorists interpretation of Islam as valid is your first mistake. i have studied Islam and fiqh for nearly twenty years now and i can definitely tell you that the terrorists have definitely said that they flout Islam in order to achieve their objectives. It is the principle that “in times of necessity, the prohibited become permissible” They have misused this principle, firstly by redefining “necessity”. See a list of other islamic terms they have abused and redefined for their purposes, a list that includes taqqiyya, jihad, suicide, shahid, shari’a, khilafah, dhimmi, jizya. Ever wonder why Islamophobes and terrorists agree on the definitions of these terms and that both disagree with mainstream muslims?

    “They are devout Muslims and they commit these horrific acts as Jihad for the sake of Allah.”

    This false assertion and the one after needs to be directly confronted. They are bot devout muslims and they are not engaged in jihad but hirabah. Does the movie fitna tell you what that means?

    “In other words, Islamic ideology rewards them for these acts with entry to paradise and other such nonsense.” There is nothing Islamic about their ideology and they will not be rewarded for their acts. It is a clever lie to dupe would be martyrs. If Bin lAden and co. knew for sure they would be rewarded in heaven for it, there would be a virtually non-stoppable wave of “martyrdom operations”

    “A central problem, in my mind at least, is that “moderate” Muslims defend/explain/protect the ideology that motivates and guides these terrorists.”

    No, the central problem is you have no clue about the mainstream muslim position, and the media is flooding you with stories of extremists defending/explaining away/protecting “the ideology that motivates and guides these terrorists” and leading you to believe that these are the moderates.

    Allahu A’lam

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