How do we know that Geller wants Muslims dead? She grieves when genocidal war criminals are caught.
Serbian War Criminal Mladic Caught – Pamela Geller Inconsolable
by Charles Johnson (Little Green Footballs)
War criminal Ratko Mladic was arrested yesterday in Serbia, where he was hiding from justice under an assumed name. Time’s Mark Benjamin has this excerpt from Mladic’s indictment, with horrifying details of his massacre of thousands of Muslim prisoners.
Between 12 July and about 20 July 1995, thousands of Bosnian Muslim men were captured by, or surrendered to, Bosnian Serb Forces under the command and control of General Ratko MLADIC. Over 7,000 Bosnian Muslim prisoners captured in the area around Srebrenica were summarily executed from 13 July to 19 July 1995. Killings continued thereafter. From about 1 August 1995 through about 1 November 1995, VRS units under the command and control of General Ratko MLADIC participated in an organised and comprehensive effort to conceal the killings and executions of the Bosnian Muslims of Srebrenica by reburying, in isolated locations, bodies exhumed from mass graves.
“The Serbs dared to fight.”It’s important to note that one of the most relentless whitewashers of Mladic’s monstrous crimes is none other than anti-Muslim lunatic Pamela Geller, and the reason is obvious: Mladic slaughtered Muslims, and that makes him an ally of Geller, Robert Spencer, and the rest of their thuggish crowd.
In her usual weasely fashion, Geller tries to have it both ways; she cheers on Mladic for “daring to fight,” but at the same time posts numerous articles at her website denying the genocide at Srebrenica as “a lie.” For example:
CANADIAN PM STEVEN HARPER, LEADER OF THE FREE WORLD, VETOES BOSNIAN LIE RESOLUTION
ISLAMIC BOSNIA: “IT BEGAN WITH A LIE”
It’s easy to make fun of Pamela Geller, because she’s so completely deranged. But there’s absolutely nothing funny about her support for war criminals and mass murderers, or her denial of genocide.
And she continues to defend this butcher, even today: JULIA GORIN: “ROASTING MLADIC”.
Instead of admitting their terrible mistake, the dhimmi Western powers are digging in their heels and further prosecuting the Serbs in their sisyphean and thankless efforts to stop Islamic imperialism.
Look, there are no heroes in the Bosnian conflict, but the Muslim atrocities were far worse. The Serbs dared to fight. That’s what this is all about. As Gorin so succinctly put it, “They are guilty of ….. daring to answer war with war.” The question is, why would the Western powers send in troops and pave the way for a militant Islamic state in the heart of Europe? The catastrophic consequences have not yet manifested themselves, but they will impact the geopolitical landscape in what promises to be a bloody 21st century.
Just disgusting.
May 31st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
“this is what war is all about” so killing unarmed prisoners is what war is all about, wow no wonder I don’t connect with militaristic assholes like geller.
May 31st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
A few days late on this.
She is a disgusting excuse of a human being. I wish I could seriously punch her in the face.
May 31st, 2011 at 1:30 pm
One thing–I object to fascists like spenser and geller being labeled mentally ill or delusional, I’ve worked with the mentally ill and they’re mostly tolerant and open to people, geller, spenser and the rest are motivated by what motivates most nazis, a hate of people they consider to be troublesome, the cause of all evil, inferior and subhuman. geller spenser and their followers are nazis not mentally ill. As for mladic, he should have his trial followed by a long drop with a quick stop
May 31st, 2011 at 1:30 pm
I wonder what she will say to the souls of the Jews killed in Hitler’s Holocaust, adopting the same mindset as the antisemites of the 20th century – “Muslim takeover”, “no mass killings happened” (echoing the “Holocaust was a lie” conspiracy theories), “The Serbs dared to fight back” (echoing the claims that the Jews “started” WW2 in the first place by “declaring war on Germany”, so Hilter was just fighting back but took it too far – which still places the ultimate blame on the Jews – “having it both ways” as it were.) Geller’s theories about Muslims are almost an exact replica of 20th century antisemitism, and what makes this most ironic is the fact that she is Jewish!
I’m not saying that Jews should be held to a higher standard than everyone else, but if “your people” went through such a horrifying experience, wouldn’t “you” be able to see the signs when the same thing is happening to someone else? Being blinded by hate makes people really dumb.
May 31st, 2011 at 1:39 pm
Isa, she has no problem attacking other Jews that do not fall in her line of thinking.
May 31st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
This is at least Geller’s fourth defense of genocide. Dozens more could probably be found if someone sane bothered to actually go through her deranged rants. The deafening silence of Gimli’s little brother (i.e. Robert Spencer) on this and countless other examples of prominent Islamophobes supporting genocide speaks volumes. Of course, the man was caught joining a genocidal Facebook group himself.
May 31st, 2011 at 2:05 pm
“Geller’s theories about Muslims are almost an exact replica of 20th century antisemitism”
The entire anti-muslim movement is an exact replica of the Nazi hate machine of the past (and whatever is left at present).
May 31st, 2011 at 2:20 pm
You said it before, I’ll say it again:
“It’s easy to make fun of Pamela Geller, because she’s so completely deranged.”
May 31st, 2011 at 2:22 pm
“The entire anti-muslim movement is an exact replica of the Nazi hate machine of the past (and whatever is left at present).”
A replica and an ally.
May 31st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Good people do not defend genocide of any kind. She is pure evil and there is only one place for these miserable creatures: Hell. She takes pleasure in demonizing and humiliating Muslims for money, one day she will come to regret it.
May 31st, 2011 at 2:45 pm
@Isa, you would think that Jews, having been victims of genocide many times should be compassionate to those who have also endured it. Alas, she is too full of hate to think with her head or heart, and what we are left with is a nut that I am ashamed to admit is Jewish
May 31st, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Anti-Islamic hatred pays. Ask Robert Spencer, Walid Shoebat, Ayan Hirsi Ali, Brigitte Gabriel, Ergun Caner etc. A large chunk of their income is from misinforming the unenlightened about Islam.
The problem however is that some are willing to pay top dollar to be lied to. I’m sure their audience don’t believe everything they hear or read, but they are happy to hear anything negative about Islam.
May 31st, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Dan…
Just as in other articles you comment on that contain autrocitys like this one…you dont condemn it…you either make excuses for it, or do what you did here…want to use violence against someone.
We should always condemn violence.
It is the Muslim thing to do.
May 31st, 2011 at 8:23 pm
It’s sad that Pamela would support a man who did a horrible genocide on a group of people when she herself is Jewish who many of her people were victims of a genocide as well. This is no different then bad people who deny the Holocaust and say that Hitler was “also a brave fighter”. She is no different then the people who mock the deaths of her people.
May 31st, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Looks like Roland Shirk has left JihadWatch. I’m sure the good folks over at JihadWatch will miss his calls for Tiananmen-style massacres of Egyptian protestors. Of course, let’s not forget Roland will share his fate with Hugh Fitzgerald, who also wrote articles calling for Americans to celebrate the deaths of Muslim civilians, among other things.
Robert Spencer’s only response is, “Your work has been a boon to the site. We will miss you. Thanks for your great contributions, and Godspeed.” The only contention Spencer ever had with Roland was his suggestion that Muslims suffered during the Bosnian genocide—Spencer was quick to point out that the perpetually evil Muslims were the bad ones and that they very much hurt the perpetually good Christians, as of course has been the case throughout history without exception. Spencer said nothing about Roland Shirk’s crazy rants; he only interrupted him to palliate the Bosnian genocide.
June 1st, 2011 at 1:33 am
There seems to be a lot of flak thrown towards Geller because she doesn’t like muslims, and fair enough too. But when I read the Quran I get the distinct impression that Mohammed doesn’t like people who don’t agree with him. e.g. Quran 8:55. Now I am NOT saying that Mohammed suggests that muslims perform ‘infidelicide’….far from it, but Mohammed does divide the world into ‘us’ and ‘them’ which in my view is divisive and can never be resolved peacefully. The only way Mohammed’s division can be resolved is if the entire world is muslim. I dont care if that happens but if it does then how is the division decided then? The entire world is Shiite? Sunni? Sufi? Where does it end? It won’t end!
I am not only criticising Mohammed. The New Testament also uses divisive talk when it describes the sheep and the goats and those who will burn in hell for their disbelief. In my view the purpose of such language is to cause division among people. Why? Why divide people in such a binary fashion? Satan is well known from the bible and Quran and other texts as the ‘adversary’, the ultimate human software quality assurance officer. Satan does a good enough job at quality testing humans without adding another pointless division of ‘us’ and ‘them’ over the top of all that. It seems a bit pointless to me.
As a mathematician I know that division doesn’t result in oneness. Divide any number and you wont get unity, unless you divide up x people by x people which gives a whole multitude of individuals……
June 1st, 2011 at 1:55 am
First sentence should be : “There seems to be a lot of flak thrown towards Geller because she doesn’t like muslims, and fair enough too (that she gets flak).”
June 1st, 2011 at 2:04 am
@NassirH
She also supports the genocide that Stalin committed of Chechan Muslims just after WW2 because “they supported the Nazis” which is a very weak claim at best.
This woman will deny Muslim victimhood at everyturn. Muslism cannot and never will be the victims. Muslims are always the aggressors as far as she is concerned.
I wonder if any news channel would ever a touch a person if they were a holocaust denier and supporter – and yet she is a genocide denier & supporter and they still allow this evil souless harpy to appear amongst civilized people.
June 1st, 2011 at 2:41 am
ROBERTSON: FIGHTING MUSLIMS IS JUST LIKE FIGHTING NAZIS – TOP
People for the American Way, 5/31/11
On the 700 Club today, Pat Robertson once again spoke out against American Muslims, singling out the construction of mosques and the purported threat of creeping Sharia law. Robertson likened critics of Muslims to opponents of Nazis and rejected claims that his opposition to rights for Muslims is bigotry, asking, “I wonder what were people who opposed the Nazis, were they bigots?”
“Why is it bigoted to resist Adolf Hitler and the Nazis and to say we don’t want to live under Nazi Germany?” Robertson said. “But oh it’s bigoted if we speak out against a force that slowly but surely is trying to exercise domination over the world.”
June 1st, 2011 at 3:05 am
Off topic but does anyone know a good bio of the Prophet Mohammad(saw). I’ve got one PDF about the Medina Years which explains it quite well but i need one. Thanks!
June 1st, 2011 at 3:08 am
Of course the old “the muslims started the war” line. What an absoulute bunch of nonsense, the Bosnian people had no army to defend them until half way into the war. It was just civilans arming themselves and tyring to survive the Serbs had full control of the Yougoslav Military. I absoultley despise little bloggers like Geller who carelessly write about things they have no clue whatsoever about.
June 1st, 2011 at 3:19 am
Anonomous: Off topic but does anyone know a good bio of the Prophet Mohammad(saw)
Allama Shibli Numani’s “Sirat un Nabi” is simply the best biography I have read so far. Every Muslim should read it, in my opinion.
June 1st, 2011 at 4:09 am
I got hold of Martin Ling’s book: Muhammad: His Life Based on His Earliest Sources. It’s awesome! Its written by a Muslim but it’s completely objective and relies on traditional sources and also clarifies lies. No need for a refutation just read that book. thanks!
June 1st, 2011 at 4:17 am
I’m very glad that this war criminal was caught, and there is NO disputing that the Serbian government wanted to get its hands on him. The capture of war criminals has been something that democratic, pro-Europe Serbia has been at for a few years now.
Let me emphasis this: There are very few people left in Serbia that celebrate these war criminals and their crimes!
This removes a major barrier for Serbia’s membership to the European Union, something that Serbia has worked hard for and earned. Good for Serbia and Serbia will be a great EU member!
June 1st, 2011 at 6:06 am
Farlowe, 8:55 was revealed about the Banu Qurayza. This is mentioned in the Tafsir but, most importantly, the next verse makes this clear as well. The Banu Qurayza had violated the Treaty they had made with the Prophet and sided with the invaders during the Battle of the Trench. Their ‘repeated treachery’ is what made them the “worst of creatures”.
However, I can understand your concern because the verse can apply to other disbelievers as well. The verse describes the disbelievers as the ‘worst of creatures’.
The explanation is that God has endowed humans with more intelligence and a sense of right and wrong than all of his other creations. If, despite this tremendous advantage that they have over other creatures, the human decides to disobey than surely he is worse than other creatures who do wrong but haven’t been blessed with the intelligence to know whether it was wrong. Humans not only have the power to think but they have been guided by God by several revelations throughout history, brought to them by thousands of Prophets each with miracles and other evidences to convince them.
A lot of people have talked about the ‘divisions of the world’ according to Islam, but I haven’t found any references to it in the Quran. As far as I know, the division of the world as “House of Islam” and “House of War” was made by medieval Islamic jurists to describe the political situation at the time. Jurists today don’t consider this to be relevant as Muslims can now peacefully live in non-Muslim lands.
Also, God admits to having divided the world, and makes no apologies for it
:
“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other)…”[Quran 49:13]
June 1st, 2011 at 6:28 am
@Mozille yeah the Banu Qurayza incident is used by Islamophobes when its different as they actually were plotting to cause treason and terrorism and they were judged by an independent judge Sa’ad ibn Mu’ath. It is used out-of-context
June 1st, 2011 at 6:29 am
“The only way Mohammed’s division can be resolved is if the entire world is muslim.”
Well that’s kind of the objective of ‘missionary religions’ such as Christianity and Islam. But from the beginning, God had assured Prophet Muhammad that converting the world is an impossible aim that only God can do; but has purposefully not done.
“If it had been thy Lord’s will, they would all have believed– all who are on earth! Wilt thou (O Muhammad) then compel mankind, against their will, to believe! [10:99]
Muslims are only told to try and spread their religion as well as they can, but they have to accept not everyone will believe in Islam. Making the whole world Muslim is not necessary; it is why Islam allows peace treaties and allows minorities to follow their religions even after Muslim armies had conquered a city.
June 1st, 2011 at 6:30 am
Its a relief this war criminal is caught. People who do acts like this must be tried in courts for disrespecting human lives
June 1st, 2011 at 7:38 am
Mladic is a HERO. He prevented the creation of an islamic theocracy in Bosnia. He is the modern Karel Martel. He will be remembered as a resistance hero.
June 1st, 2011 at 8:57 am
Make no mistake if the islamophobes could commit the same crimes and get away with it, they would commit them in heartbeat. They would justify it in a million ways in their own head. The hatred is just going to get worse. God forbid they get into power. Caine, bachmann or any other loon. The funny thing is that they use the bible as a tool to justify their hatred. They still posess the moronic crusader mentality.
June 1st, 2011 at 9:32 am
“Let me emphasis this: There are very few people left in Serbia that celebrate these war criminals and their crimes!
”
No worries, no one here condemns an entire group of people for the actions or beliefs of some.
Thats the job of Jihadwatch and other like-minded hatemongers.
June 1st, 2011 at 10:04 am
“Let me emphasis this: There are very few people left in Serbia that celebrate these war criminals and their crimes!”
Piss off, there are PLENTY of people in that cursed dump who think he’s a hero. As long as there are retards protesting his capture in Serbia, they shouldn’t be in the EU. Plain and simple. I feel bad for the Serbs who don’t want to have anything to do with these monsters, but there are plenty of Serbs who do think they are victims and keep citing crap from decades, even centuries ago, to justify their victimization mentality.
As far as I’m concerned, both Serbia and Pakistan have more in common than meets the eye: a sense of victimhood even though everything they do is their own damn fault.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:06 am
Mladic’s own daughter hated him; she committed suicide after learning what he had done. Also, there are still fucktards in germany and austria who try to justify the holocaust
June 1st, 2011 at 11:06 am
Kafir DERPby:
Explain this paragraph by Christopher Hitchens (who is not even a fan of Islam to begin with):
“Srebrenica is one of the best-documented atrocities in modern history. We have everything, from real-time satellite surveillance (shamefully available to the United States even as the butchery was going on) to film and video taken by the perpetrators, including Mladic himself. The production of this material in court will, one hopes, wipe any potential grin from his face and destroy the propaganda image of the simple patriotic man at arms. Whatever our policy on monsters abroad may turn out to be, at least we should be able to recognize one when we see one.”
http://www.slate.com/id/2295807/
And not only that he also interviewed Alija Izetbegovic, and it may be a surprise to you that when Hitchens asked about Rushdie to him, he stated that while he may not have liked the book, it would certainly be wrong to kill him for it. Is this the “theocratic” leader that you are talking crap about?
June 1st, 2011 at 11:18 am
“Piss off, there are PLENTY of people in that cursed dump who think he’s a hero. As long as there are retards protesting his capture in Serbia, they shouldn’t be in the EU. Plain and simple.”
And there are plenty that don’t, take it easy. Calling Serbia a “cursed dump” is uncalled for and comes close to the gross generalizations made by the very people this site fights against.
Regarding your second point, there are plenty of Austrians who like Hitler and/or vote for neo-fascists like the OFP, are we going to kick them out of the EU?
June 1st, 2011 at 11:25 am
mp11, how is it a generalization? These retards attack anyone different from them. Try having a gay pride parade in Belgrade and watch the thousands of Serbs come out of their villages to attack anyone who dares to call for equal rights. Try being a Jew in Belgrade and you are not spared anything either (Pamela is too stupid to realize that). Serbia is a dump and while there were many Serbs who were opposed to the nationalists, they are clearly outnumbered by the large majority who still think he’s a hero! And this is the same country that the loons want to present as “Western-leaning”?
As for Austrians, let me know when 13,000 Austrians protest in Vienna to praise the Third Reich. Until then, your point is void.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:36 am
The reality is that Serbia is a pro-European and democratic nation that has earned its membership in the European Union. Serbia would be a great EU member state and the leadership of President Tadic.
The nationalists are a minority that fade away the closer Serbia gets to EU membership — and set backs to Serbia’s membership drive do bring back nationalists.
Now – there is freedom of speech in Serbia, and allowing nationalists to protest means that they too have freedom of speech.
June 1st, 2011 at 12:03 pm
@ Farlowe, regarding this comment: http: //www.loonwatch.com/2011/05/pamela-geller-watch-serbian-war-criminal-mladic-caught-pamela-geller-inconsolable/#comment-76183 .
I believe Mosizzle has made some excellent points, but I would like to add a thought or two. First, 8:55 does not say that Muhammad (PBUH) considers those who disagree with him to be the worst of all beasts. It is said that GOD (ALLAH) considers those who reject Him (God) to be the worst of all beasts.
This rejection of God is not mere theological disagreement between followers of various religions. The context of both the passage from the Qur’an you cited, and the Biblical passages, clearly indicates that the rejection of God being spoken of relates to deeds and actions, not theological concepts. Certainly the Qur’an makes clear in a number of places that submission to God is the True Religion – and such submitters can be found throughout the world in at least all major religions. Christians, Jews, and Sabians who genuinely follow the Revelation given to them are specifically mentioned – and then it is extended by the statement that indeed, everyone who believes in God and does good works will have their reward with God. That doesn’t sound very ‘divisive’ to me.
Those who genuinely follow the Revelation given through Muhammad will not become ‘divisive’ over the differences between Sunnis, Sufis, and Shias (among others). They will no doubt regret the differences, but leave it up to God to resolve those differences at “the Last Day” – in such a way that the differences will be cleared up without losing the reward which belongs to those who believe and do good works.
A couple of verses from the Qur’an which overthrow the charge of ‘divisiveness’ are:
“[60:8] As for such [of the unbelievers] as do not fight against you on account of [your] faith, and neither drive you forth from your homelands, God does not forbid you to show them kindness and to behave towards them with full equity: for, verily, God loves those who act equitably. [60:9] God only forbids you to turn in friendship towards such as fight against you because of [your] faith, and drive you forth from your homelands, or aid [others] in driving you forth: and as for those [from among you] who turn towards them in friendship, it is they, they who are truly wrongdoers!”
And even in the ‘infamous’ 9th Sura, containing the much reviled “verse of the sword”, it is pointed out in verses 4 and 7 that the peace treaties with unbelievers (even polytheists, in this case) who have remained faithful to the treaty obligations, are to remain in effect until the agreed upon expiration date. At that time, of course, a new treaty may be arranged. So even the ‘worst’ of unbelievers (theologically speaking) can live at peace with the believers so long as they refrain from aggressive actions against the Muslims and maintain the agreements they established in those treaties.
Again, it is actions – not differences about theological concepts – that make the real division. I have no trouble at all, personally, about being ‘divisive’ about the difference between the persecutor and the one who defends the oppressed; between a Hitler and a Ghandi. Long live such ‘divisiveness’. But I certainly agree that bitter divisions over theological differences should be repudiated.
June 1st, 2011 at 12:32 pm
^Yes, very true. The disbelievers in this instance aren’t those who simply ‘disbelieved’ in God. I mean, how could it be? There were very few atheists or ‘freethinkers’ at the time, and the verse is clearly referring to those who ‘disbelieved’ by their actions. The Banu Qurayza were Jewish and believed in God and the Torah, but they disbelieved by committing treason.
In many places, the Quran accepts anyone who believes in God, the Day of Judgement and is generally good in this life as a believer who will enter heaven, even if he still believed in the previous revelations.
Obviously it’s preferable for you to ‘upgrade’ to the new version of the software, but God isn’t cutting His support for those who still feel more comfortable with the old version.
June 1st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Stephen G Parker, your insights are quite admirable. Masha’Allah!
June 1st, 2011 at 7:16 pm
@June 1st, 2011 at 7:38 am
From post-Communist Yugoslav supra-state to an independent theocratic Muslim Bosnia in a historical jiffy >
The planning required to do that, considering the history, culture & politics of real Bosnians (have you ever met any?) is worthy of top-grade Loony-tunes Conspiracy Theory if ever there were.
I don’t think that Serbia is ready for EU membership as the recent genocide was blessed from top to bottom, priests to plebs. It is far too early, rewarding those who supported the evil project.
Ironically I have sympathy for Mladic as his daughter became a heroine as soon as she realised the demon her “hero-father” had become. The wrong Mladic survived, or perhaps if he truly has feelings, that is the greatest punishment? Anyway, this shows how wrong extreme jingoistic nationalism can become, like Germany. My country right or wrong?
June 1st, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Not all Serbian people are like Ratko Mladic. There were ethnic Serbs who served honourably in the Army of the Republic of Bosnia & Herzegovina as both enlisted men and officers.
June 1st, 2011 at 11:17 pm
I mean this thing just morphed from a conflict to genocide! Russian soldiers and merceneries were involved as were the Greeks! It was like a mini crusade!
Makes me sick!
June 2nd, 2011 at 9:07 am
Her response to the matter amounts to Holocaust denial!
June 8th, 2011 at 10:29 am
“Serbs dared to fight back”
Of course! That is why Belgrade was surrounded for years and not Sarajevo, that is why majority of victims found in mass graves are Serbs and not Muslims or Croats…
Dear Pamela I sincerely apologize for daring to survive Mladic’s self-defense war. I also apologize that I grieve my murdered and butchered relatives, I have no right to grieve – after all I am Muslim and I am therefore not allowed to feel like a human being