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Dutch MPs Vote to Ban Religious Slaughter

Posted on 30 June 2011 by Emperor

Is it more “humane” to slaughter animals by shocking them first? That is what most Dutch politicians seem to think.

Dutch MPs Vote to Ban Religious Slaughter

(AlJazeera English)

A bill which would ban halal and kosher slaughter methods has passed through the Dutch parliament, despite opposition from Muslim and Jewish groups who say a ban would impinge on their religious freedoms.

The bill, which was passed overwhelmingly by parliamentarians on Wednesday, still has to pass through the Dutch senate, which is unlikely before the summer recess.

The Dutch cabinet said on Monday that the law may be unenforceable in its current form due to the ambiguity of a last-minute amendment that says religious slaughter licenses can be granted if they can “prove” that it does not cause animals more pain than stunning.

If the Netherlands outlaws procedures that make meat kosher for Jews or halal for Muslims, it would be the second country after New Zealand to do so in recent years. Luxembourg, Norway, Sweden and Switzerland also ban religious slaughter.

Henk Blekers, the Dutch deputy secretary of economic affairs and agriculture, said that the cabinet would “look at how it fits with freedom of religion”, citing the European Convention on Human Rights.

Both halal and kosher slaughter rules prescribe that animals’ throats must be cut swiftly with a razor-sharp knife while they are still conscious, so that they bleed to death quickly.

‘Animal rights over religious rights’

But the Party for Animals, the main proponents of the proposed law, argue that sparing animals needless pain and distress outweighs religious groups’ rights to follow their respective slaughter practices.

“They (livestock) stay conscious for up to 5 minutes. They lose a lot of blood and they can choke on their own blood and the cut should be one time, but research shows that with kosher slaughter (they are cut) on average 3.5 times, and with halal 5.5 times,” Karen Soeters of the Party for Animals told Al Jazeera.

But defenders of the practices said that religious slaughter methods could be humane.

“With halal, the animal can’t be stressed. It can’t see other animals being killed,” Abdulhakim Chouaati of the Dutch Halal Feed and Food Authority told Al Jazeera.

“It’s our religion we’re practicing, and expressing religion in our modern industrial society is not a thing which is appealing to the public,” Ronnie Eisenmann, a Jewish community leader in the Netherlands told Al Jazeera.

In an open letter pleading with parliament not to pass the law, a a committee of rabbis said the impact on the Jewish community would be “deep and large”.

“Older Jews are frightened and wonder what the next law will be that limits their religious life. The youth are openly asking whether they still have a future that they can or want to build in the Netherlands,” the letter continued.

Only Christian political parties opposed the ban, arguing that it undermined the country’s tradition of religious tolerance.

A solid majority of Dutch voters say they support the ban, and parliament voted for it by a margin of 116 for to 30 against.

The support for the ban comes from an odd pairing of the political left, which sees religious slaughter as inhumane, and from the anti-immigration right, which says it is foreign and barbaric.

  • abdul

    These people who are against religious slaughter, shoud be hanged upside down and shocked and be givin paper cuts on there necks and see how it feels@!

  • Skhan

    @ Safak Ozgun: No. Torturing the animal, beating it, shocking it, poisoning it, or eating a carcass automatically makes the meat un-halal. the animal cannot have suffered in anyway. Otherwise, God has no reason to protect the one who consumes the meat from disease, etc. Incision through the spine is forbidden. It is a sharp, swift cut to the neck that allows the animal to lose consciousness and feel no pain because it bleeds out. This not only causes little to no pain, but it also keeps the meat from getting infected because the blood flows out. Also, we must pray to God at the time of the slaughter for blessing us with the food and for allowing us to take the life of one of his creations to sustain ourselves.
    peace.

  • Safak Ozgun

    im not getting all the arguments here. ure killing an animal, how the hell do u make that “paineless”?? halal, kosher, bolt through the head, im sure the cow or sheep would rather none actually happened!

    besides, i thought that in halal’s case the cut is through the spine, thus instantly paralyzing the animal… not sure if thats accurate, but thats the way ive seen it happen…

  • RDS

    Admins, why is there flame war erupting about India-Pakistan thing while the article clearly is not?

    *sigh* you guys.

  • http://thebandofstrangers.blogspot.com/ Jack Cope

    Kal, as you say you are no expert on the slaughter of animals and your post proves it.

    “Theoretically kosher and halal slaughter seems humane and efficient, but in practice the animal rarely dies after one knife stroke and often withers for a period of time and after more cuts before collapsing.”

    Incorrect, a trained and competent butcher will be able to kill the animal with a single fast stroke to the neck which, as detailed by myself and Lo, is extremely painless and quick. I am aware that there are plenty of butchers out there who are bad at their jobs and these people should be taken to one side, trained and have their licenses removed until they are able to make the cut (pardon the bad pun). Your ‘withering’ on the floor, as I stated in my first post, is in fact nerve reaction and not the animal being ‘alive’, twitching can happen for a long time after death.

    “A bolt to the brain completely knocks out the animal and is instantaneous, thereby limiting the period of suffering to a minimum.”

    I am not completely aware of the biology surrounding the bolt-stun method of slaughter but that doesn’t matter, the important work here is ‘stun’ which, as again detailed by both Lo and I previous, involves large amounts of electricity being passed through the animal to make it ‘go to sleep’ so we can all feel better.

    “A vast majority of Dutch citizens cannot be anti-Semites and Islamophobes in supporting this ban”

    If such a thing were true then why is it now, when to get to the top of the tree in politics one must bash Muslims, that this issue has been raised? Why wasn’t it an issue years ago?

    I’m also with Lo, if people really care about things like being humane then do something about it. Don’t eat from fast food chains for example; their record is atrocious and a lot of their beef is grown on slash and burn farms in the Amazon and skip Starbucks who also get their coffee from slash and burn farms. And yes, go vegi once in a while and eat more chicken and less beef and pork (chicken is many times more efficient to produce), grow stuff in your garden and eat fish from sustainable sources (or your local river, lots of fish is grown on farms in horrible conditions) and shell out a few pennies extra to but ‘fairtrade’ stuff. Check where your stuff is coming from as well, is your tuna from a factory farm in Vietnam where they grow fish in paddy fields and the workers work 14 hour days? But all these things are hard right? Much better to make a loud noise once in a while so you feel better and then stuff your face with a big mac. Oh humanity where art thou?

  • JD

    or maybe you should read about Narendra Modi the man in charge in Gujrat who help hindu kill muslims during the riots… yeah India love each other they hold hands and sing We are the world …..Yea right and bet that was propaganda also let me guess made by ISI and Pakistan

    2.What i said about kashmire is the view also of Human right groups who say the same thing

    I also want to apologize to all here takeing this conversation this direction but people like Kal aka Dan cant be allowed to spread lies without someone answer back to them

  • JD

    Bombay Riots-275 Hindus and 575 Muslims died
    2002 Gujarat violence-790 Muslims and 254 Hindus were killed 223 more people were reported missing

    Hindu-Christian Violence Flares in India Aug 2008-The remote, destitute state of Orissa, marred for years by Hindu-versus-Christian violence, erupted in a retaliatory killing on Monday after the murder of a Hindu leader led a mob to burn small Christian churches, prayer halls and an orphanage that had housed 21 children.
    The police said a woman’s body, charred beyond recognition, was found inside the church orphanage. The church’s pastor, whom the police did not identify and who was injured in the fire, told the authorities that the body was that of a nun working there. No children were injured.

    or maybe you should watch this speech by 13 year old Hindu girl

  • Ummer
  • Nur Alia

    If this was about the treatment of animals, then there would be more of a ban on how the animals ment for slaughter are kept, treated, fed, and inciminated by those big companies.

  • Dan

    Khushboo, JD and other Pakistanis commenting here, how do you feel about this creeping extremism that continues to infiltrate the universities of Pakistan right now? http://news.yahoo.com/pakistan-college-contest-praise-bin-laden-162707344.html

  • ilfdinar

    I’m sick of you guys
    here is an article in general about cruelty of animals
    http://www.turntoislam.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5211

  • Rahnuma
  • Lo

    A biology lesson to those who think delivering electricity directly into the human body is less painful than dissecting the carotid arteries:

    Stunning uses electricity. Pain in the body is transmitted via neurons in the form of (guess what?) electrical charges. So, yes, stunning hurts. It’s not rocket science. Why do you think it was such a popular and effective method of torture in the past?

    Slaughter involves dissecting the carotid artery and letting the blood drain out, therefore cutting the oxygen supply to the brain. The pain is almost identical to that of carotid dissection, which is a medical emergency, and similar to aortic dissection, also a medical emergency. Google those conditions. The pain experienced is focal at the site of incision and it is the same sort of pain one feels when a muscle 3mm thick is sliced with a sharp knife, which is nowhere near as painful as childbirth. By another comparison, a butchering with a blunt knife is almost but not quite as painful as spontaneously tearing up a 3mm-thick muscle.

    Consequently, from the lack of oxygen to the brain, there may be headache. From the lack of oxygen in general, there may be shortness of breath and drowsiness. From the loss of juicy warm blood in the system, there will be coldness (remember, a soldier bleeding to death does not immediately complain of the hole in his stomach, but of the fact that he’s freezing). In fact, up to 15% of patients experiencing spontaneous dissections felt no pain, just a sense that something very wrong is happening very fast. There are plenty of medical literatures out there that talked about painless aortic/carotid dissection in strict medical context.

    Most of the ‘humane’ things we do today are only humane for those who are forced to watch it, not experience it. Why else did we go from beheading (instant brain death) to lethal injection (asphyxiation and heart attack)? You want to be humane? Recycle, don’t patronise companies that benefit from wars and logging, stop hunting, or go vegetarian if only for a few weeks every year.

    /rant

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