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N.Y. Anti-Mosque Leader Defends Group That Clashed With British Police

Hate blogger Pamela Geller

N.Y. Anti-Mosque Leader Defends Group That Clashed With British Police

(Newsweek)

A leader in the movement protesting plans to build an Islamic cultural center two blocks from Ground Zero in lower Manhattan is defending the actions of a right-wing, anti-Muslim group that was involved in violent clashes with British riot police over the weekend.

Pamela Geller is a conservative blogger, activist, and a principal organizer of Stop Islamization of America (SIOA), which seeks to block construction of the proposed center. The group is sponsoring a protest rally at the site on the 2010 anniversary of the 9/11 attacks, a week from Saturday. In a posting on her Atlas Shrugs blog, Geller expresses sympathy for the goals and actions of the English Defense League (EDL), a far-right group implicated in violent clashes with police during an anti-Islamic demonstration last Saturday in the northern English city of Bradford. “The stated goal of the EDL is to oppose militant Islam and the sharia,” Geller writes. “What’s wrong with that? Everything to the PC, leftist slaves in the media and the government.”

In an e-mail to Declassified, Geller affirmed her support for the EDL and defended the group’s actions in Bradford, which, with its nearby sister city of Leeds, has a substantial Muslim population, many of Pakistani extraction.

Geller wrote: “The media has been defamatory and libelous towards any and all counter jihad activists, including the EDL, which far from being neo-Nazi and racist, is pro-Israel and has Sikh and other non-white members and spokesmen. The EDL’s own explanation of what happened in Bradford ishere. As you can see from that statement, a group of Islamic supremacists and Communists actually began the violence by throwing rocks at EDL members. White supremacists at the demonstration did not represent the EDL, and EDL members actually removed them from the demonstration.”

British media reports—including accounts from outlets known for their conservative political slants—and official police statements on the Bradford clashes do not offer much support for, and in some cases contradict, the account offered by the EDL. In an official chronology of last Saturday’s events posted on the Web site of the West Yorkshire Police, the first reference to violence is a 2:30 p.m. entry that says: “Missiles have been thrown in the area around the Bradford Urban Gardens, however, this has been contained and the police are utilising their resources to manage the current situation.”

Bradford Urban Gardens is the location at which U.K. authorities had allowed the EDL to stage its rally; a left-wing counterdemonstration was booked a half mile away. (The EDL had wanted to conduct a march through the city, but authorities denied permission.)

report from The Daily Telegraph, a newspaper known for its conservative sympathies, says violence broke out “as chanting EDL supporters began throwing missiles towards Asian youngsters and anti-fascist activists who had been taunting them with shouts of ‘Nazi scum off our streets.’ ” The Telegraph said that as EDL protesters got off buses that had taken them to the site, they shouted slogans at locals, including “Allah-Pedophile,” “We want our country back,” and “We love the floods”—a reference, the paper said, to flooding that’s now devastating much of Pakistan.

The Daily Mail, a newspaper perhaps even more conservative thanThe Telegraph, also reported on the violence. The paper’s Web site carries photos of what it says are EDL protesters, with one caption reading, “Crossing the line: EDL supporters in hats, hoods and balaclavas hurl missiles at police in Bradford today.”

By her own account, Geller’s support of the EDL and other anti-Muslim groups in the U.K. has put her at odds with what are considered mainstream groups representing Britain’s Jewish community. In an interview with the conservative FrontPage Magazine Web site, Geller claims that rabbis and prominent Jewish groups in Britain had urged Jews to boycott a demonstration that a group called Stop the Islamization of Europe (SIOE) organized last December to protest plans to build a mosque in the North London neighborhood of Harrow.

According to Geller, the Community Security Trust, which keeps watch on extremist and anti-Semitic activities in the U.K., much like the Anti-Defamation League does in the U.S., urged Jews not to support the SIOE protest, as did unnamed rabbis who said the protest’s “only purpose” was “to spread hatred and fear.” Geller accused U.K. Jewish groups like the CST of “aiding and abetting Islamic jihad and Islamic anti-Semitism.” A person familiar with the views of British Jewish leaders, who asked for anonymity when discussing sensitive information, said mainstream Jewish groups regarded the English Defense League as “politicized football hooligans.”

In an e-mail to Declassified, Geller acknowledged that some epithets that The Telegraph attributed to EDL protesters in Bradford were “in bad taste, although in saying that I am not accepting the accuracy of The Telegraph account, and also understand that words said in anger are not always words the speakers would endorse in moments of reflection.” In a move apparently designed to avoid such embarrassments at her group’s upcoming 9/11 event, she said, “We have already published several notices warning that inflammatory signs will be removed.”

Geller said the EDL itself acknowledged that there may have been neo-Nazi thugs among its ranks: “The left and real neo-Nazis frequently attempt to infiltrate EDL rallies in order to discredit the EDL. This is amply documented. Both have an interest in seeing the EDL fail: the left so that there will be no serious resistance to its agenda, and the neo-Nazis so that there exists no respectable alternative to them in opposing the British elite, and also because the neo-Nazis have generally aligned with the Islamic jihad that the EDL resists.”

She added that while she would not assert that the EDL “can do no wrong, I just refuse to accept accounts of EDL misdeeds from sources that have been proven in the past to have lied about EDL activities.”

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  • Gareth

    “politicized football hooligans.”

    That’s being too kind. They’re just hooligans.

    EDL marches usually start in a pub where they get steaming drunk and chant racist slogans before ‘marching’ (which in the past have ended with them smashing up shops and businesses).

    Eg:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ic7H6CdNhY

    In the comments you’ll see reference to ‘firms’ which is what the football hooligan groups call themselves.

    To show how articulate and well regarded the EDL are over here I’d also like to present this video:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIPD8qHhtVU

    Thick bigoted idiot being made a fool of, brilliant.

  • Safak Ozgun: “The media has been defamatory and libelous towards any and all counter jihad activists, including the EDL, which far from being neo-Nazi and racist, is pro-Israel and has Sikh and other non-white members and spokesmen.”

    We should expect the next accusation to be something like: “They are part of the jihad against Western civilization!”

  • Believe it or not people, the Lukid Party has members that admire Hitler! These Israeli-party monsters (so admired Wilders) have also said that “Arabs and Muslims are animals that cannot be democratized.”

    We can swallow the notion that Lukid Party radicals and extremists hate Arabs and Muslims, but to admire Hitler demonstrates that radical and extremist thinking is a form of lunacy and possible mental illness!

    It appears to me also that the EDL, like Wilders’ PVV and people like Geller – actually hate their own country and culture and want to replace them with something totally against their own nation’s identity.

    Hating Muslims and restricting their rights is anti-American, anti-Dutch, anti-British, anti-freedom, anti-Constitution, a threat to peace and civility — and for Jews to want to play Hitler is really the height of Lunacy!

  • Safak Ozgun

    “The media has been defamatory and libelous towards any and all counter jihad activists, including the EDL, which far from being neo-Nazi and racist, is pro-Israel and has Sikh and other non-white members and spokesmen.”

    Man it’s easy to be taken away from accusations of being neo-Nazi and racist, just say you support Israel and you’re off the hook! Apparently only Israel can claim to be discriminated against…

  • Ricky

    The EDL is packed with Neo Nazis, despite what they claim. On Facebook, you can find them posting with the 88 on their logo, 88 being the numerical given to the letter H. 88 stands for HH, Heil Hitler. The EDL has allied itself with an ex-Jewish Rabbi, Nachum Shifren, who was ex communicated for supporting Neo Nazi candidates and having behavior contrary to the Jewish people. Here is a video showing him at an EDL gathering, with a funny Freudian slip:http://youtu.be/q_W466g0E9k
    Make no mistake about it, anyone who supports a group like this has fascist leanings.

  • Anj

    Since I’m from near bradford and have first hand accounts of what went down. My cousin works for the police and advises the chief constable of Yorkshire. The home secretary allowed the EDL march. The police and the community worked their socks off to make sure that Bradford didn’t descent into chaos. The Friday before the march the police had a heavy presence in most mosques and spoke to imams and the elders to keep everything in check!
    On sat the EDL came for their march.
    In bradford, money ran out for a massive shopping centre and currently there is a massive hole in the city centre and is surrounded by 10ft barrier.
    So the EDL were herded into this massive hole and surrounded by police. You could just about hear them but you couldn’t see them. They then got bored and started to fight amongst themselves.
    A few managed to creep out of the hole and were promptly chased down by teenage Asian kids back in. It was an absolute disaster for the EDL. The community responded well and shunned these bigots. I really dint think they gave the balls to come back.

    If you google a chap called nick knowles and he runs a blog called hope not hate! You will find all the information about the EDL and what a neonazi group they are. He has a price put on his head by the EDL. But this guy stays one step ahead and exposes their vile actions everyday.
    It’s well worth a look.

  • Crow

    So what’s the surprise? That This animal supports nazis? It’s obvious to all but her bigoted, racist, brain-dead followers that she’s scum. How’s that for un-pc for you? LOL!!!

  • HGG

    “and has Sikh and other non-white members and spokesmen.”

    I’m fairly sure that the “Sikh spokesmen” of the EDL is actually a “spokesman”, since he’s like the only one.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    It’s extremely interesting to look at Geller’s quotes because they provide an insight into how she views the world. Oh sure, some of it’s absolutely propaganda to try and spin the story in her favor. She has supported the EDL in the past. But every once in a while a real gem comes out revealing more than I think she wants to…

    > “including the EDL, which far from being neo-Nazi and racist, is
    > pro-Israel and has Sikh and other non-white members and spokesmen.

    Quite interesting to me, because she is implying that both Jews and Sikhs are apparently non-white. Never mind that many Jews – the Ashkenazim and Sephardim – have roots in Central and Eastern Europe and the Mediterranean (respectively) and that there are many white, black and even Latino converts to Sikhism these days…

    > “The EDL’s own explanation of what happened in Bradford ishere.”

    Remember the Nazis and Japanese also had their own accounts of WWII. That doesn’t make them true.

    > “As you can see from that statement, a group of Islamic supremacists and
    > Communists actually began the violence by throwing rocks at EDL members.”

    Yes, those damned Godless Commies get along so well with us Muslims who believe in one God. Why you can barely tell us apart. Must be the beards 😀

    > “White supremacists at the demonstration did not represent the EDL, and
    > EDL members actually removed them from the demonstration.”

    *rolls eyes*

    > “The left and real neo-Nazis frequently attempt to infiltrate EDL
    > rallies in order to discredit the EDL. This is amply documented.”

    Then why not take it to court? If they have the evidence it shouldn’t be a problem no?

    > “and the neo-Nazis so that there exists no respectable alternative to
    > them in opposing the British elite,”

    So the neo-Nazis are COMPETING with the EDL for membership? Wow… I didn’t realize there were enough racists in the UK to fill up quotas for both groups of knuckleheads and still have enough left over for the BNP…

    > “and also because the neo-Nazis have generally aligned with the Islamic
    > jihad that the EDL resists.”

    Oh yeah, those white supremacists get along sooo well with the Pakistanis and blacks. LOL.

  • Last year, members of the EDL were arrested for a bomb plot against mosques. I don’t know what happened to the charges. I believed they were dropped. The EDL tried to way an Isreali flags at rallies, but the majority of Jewish people were offended by this…

    While this ilk likes to talk about “political correctness” we have political correctness when it come to terrorism and terrorists. Radical right terrorists and their terrorism (against police as well as Muslims) is ignored and investigations from terroristic acts are slow to come. We have politically correct hate crimes, where there is slow investigation of hate crimes against Muslims. Notice what happened to Wilders’ hate speech trial…

    The reality is that the EDL is the most disruptive force infecting British communities today. The EDL is trying, like Wilders, to radicalize others in other parts of Europe. Geert Wilders is the most radicalized individual in the West today — and he is allowed to travel to the US at will to radicalize others, possibly for acts of violence against American Muslims.

    Just what would happen if the EDL was a Muslim organization or made up of immigrants or Leftists?!

    Lastly – I have a hypothesis that the strain of Islamophobia infecting Western/American discourse today comes from the Holland and the UK. We never had ANY of this CRAP about “Islam is not a religion” and “Muslims are anti-Western.” I sit about a few blocks from an Islamic center – it’s been there since the early 1980s, and we never had any questions about it! This Islamophobic lunacy was imported into the US from the Holland!

  • mindy1

    Where do people like her come from??? She is Jewish, and hanging out with Nazi wannabes 🙁

  • NassirH

    This is nothing. She has also defended Stalin (!) and his anti-Chechen pogroms.

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