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Herman Cain: Americans Can Stop Mosques

This is a GOP candidate who is getting 6% of the popular vote right now, and this sort of rhetoric is acceptable for a large portion of Americans.

Herman Cain: Americans Can Stop Mosques

Herman Cain said Sunday that Americans should be able to ban Muslims from building mosques in their communities.

“Our Constitution guarantees the separation of church and state,” Cain said in an interview with Chris Wallace on “Fox News Sunday.” “Islam combines church and state. They’re using the church part of our First Amendment to infuse their morals in that community, and the people of that community do not like it. They disagree with it.”

Last week, the Republican presidential candidate expressed criticism of a planned mosque in Murfreesboro, Tennessee, telling reporters at a campaign event that “This is just another way to try to gradually sneak Sharia law into our laws, and I absolutely object to that.”

“This isn’t an innocent mosque,” Cain said.

On “Fox News Sunday,” Wallace pressed him about those comments.

“Let’s go back to the fundamental issue,” Cain said. “Islam is both a religion and a set of laws — Sharia laws. That’s the difference between any one of our traditional religions where it’s just about religious purposes.”

“So, you’re saying that any community, if they want to ban a mosque…” Wallace began.

“Yes, they have the right to do that,” Cain said.

Cain has made a number of controversial comments about Muslims, including a vow to be cautious about allowing a Muslim to serve in his administration.

On Sunday, Cain defended his position, telling Wallace that it’s not discrimination.

“Aren’t you willing to restrict people because of their religion?” Wallace asked.

“I’m willing to take a harder look at people who might be terrorists, that’s what I’m saying,” Cain replied. “Look, I know that there’s a peaceful group of Muslims in this country. God bless them and they’re free to worship. If you look at my career I have never discriminated against anybody, because of their religion, sex or origin or anything like that.”

“I’m simply saying I owe it to the American people to be cautious because terrorists are trying to kill us,” Cain said, “so yes I’m going to err on the side of caution rather than on the side of carelessness.”

Original post: Herman Cain: Americans Have The Right To Ban Mosques In Their Communities

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  • Anticipated Serendipity

    I am not even arguing with you on theological grounds Sahra, I’m just pointing out that the Muslim world isn’t doing very great and there are certain things which are intolerable as they harm other people(stoning, killing apostates,mandatory hijab,etc),I am honestly sorry if my comments offend you but it is what it is and I don’t mean to sound narrow-minded but those types of things are not acceptable. If you belive music is haram, that a woman’s entire body, her voice included, is awrah and you have views unlike mine on similar personal matters that’s all good and we can agree to disagree but certain things are not tolerable.

  • Sahra

    @Anticipated… Why can’t you accept the fact that other muslims may hold different views than yours? Are you the “my way or the highway” type of people? If you’re a confess muslim, then Don’t the Qur’an call for deep reflection and to come to terms with your peers in case of disagreement? So let’s come to the term that we agree to disagree..salam

  • Anticipated Serendipity

    “…worst fanatics extremists radically fundamentalists christians from the GOP party, at least the MB are not trying to ban churchs in Egypt or having “hearings” or advocating for racial profiling of the egyptian christians copts”
    Whoa, how many adjectives do you want to use in a row? Calm down, now and if you insist on being so descriptive commas and accurate grammar wouldn’t hurt too much. Why on earth would I defend Christian fundamentalists? I believe that the government should have nothing to do with religion I am sure you believe that too – unless that religion is Islam and the government is imposing sharia law? Am I correct? I’d assume you have more in common with Christian fundies than I would. LOL. Do you know that a whole world exists outside of America and there are worse things happening to people in other parts of the world than congressional hearings and racial profiling? Was it not an MB member who recently said that the jizya should be brought back and imposed on the Copts? Was it not two New Years’ in a row when churches were bombed in Egypt? Are Muslim converts to Christianity not killed with the blessing of Egyptian “scholars” in Egypt? The hearings are pointless and won’t achieve much but I don’t see it as that huge of a deal. Ever watched an episode of “Criminal Minds”? Ever notice how whenever there is a serial killer on the loose the first suggestion is that the killer is a “white male in his thirties”? Why? Because statistically that is so. There currently is no established policy of racial profiling and as Muslims don’t have a look (I doubt either the shoe-bomber or underwear-bomber would pass of as “Muslim-looking” in the eyes of security personnel) it wouldn’t be very effective and I don’t think it’s a good strategy. Compare the Coptic body count in Egypt with the Muslim body count in the US and then get back to me with that BS?
    The GOP Party? I don’t even live in the US and though I do pay attention to US politics I don’t favour either party.
    “The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, despite what the islamophobic western media say about them are not a monolithic group, in fact the christians copts of Egypt favored and supported them for years more than they did with the corrupted secular leadership of the dictator Mubarak regime, who where maintained 100% by west. As for the female candidates of the GOP party, which one are you talking about? the equally pathetic racist islamophic lunatic females like Palin and Bachman? One said that bombing Irak was ordered by god(a.k.a jesus for them), while the other said the she is subservient to her husband. If one of these lunatics become president (may God forbit)then God help us all.”
    Is the “Islamophobic media” the same liberal lamestream media that O’Really? and Beck have been harping about? A political party is by definition quite monolithic and I would like proof of your outlandish claim that the Egyptian Copts supported the MB. “…equally pathetic racist islamophic lunatic females…”, again with all the adjectives and whatever we think of them they are in fact females, you’re changing the subject. I’d like to see an Egyptian woman running for president under the banner of the Muslim BROTHERhood (emphasis on “brother”). I am no fan of either Bachman or Palin I was using them to make a point. Do you believe the angels will curse you all night if you don’t submit to your husband’s urges? If you don’t pay attention to the Islamophobic/Zionist/illuminati media where do you get your news from? The nice, fair, free (no state-control here) and unbiased MidEastern stations? Press TV? Al-Jazeera?
    “#2.. I’ve lived in several muslim countries and i’ve never once saw or heard anybody stoning anyboby, even from the individuals with extrem views.
    ON that note read the comment of @ibnabutalib and lay off the western islamophic media.”
    Have you watched, read or heard about “The Stoning of Soraya M.”? Didn’t you hear about the woman who was recently going to be stoned to death in Iran? Just b/c you haven’t seen something, doesn’t mean it doesn’t happen. Hey, they say that rapes and murders happen in the West, but that can’t be true b/c I’ve been to many Western countries and I’ve never witnessed either nor have I come across support for either. Most of the Muslims I’ve come across believe in stoning and you’d know that if you spent more time on Muslim blogs/forums; LW is full of “modernists” and “progressives”. The Muslim blogosphere is full of self-described “real” Muslims.

  • Anticipated Serendipity

    @Sahra
    I’m pretty sure of who I am (I prefer Muslim only, if necessary Sunni Muslim and you can harp on about my usage of “liberal” b/c to me it doesn’t mean much other than that I’m no literalist or hadithist) and it bothers me none what you think of me. One thing I am is a realist; I’m also not very PC and rather than throwing out random accusations and shooting the messenger why not accurately refute my “anti-Muslim views”. I see the world around me and I make observations and form conclusions on that, there is no need to sugar-coat reality and that which can’t be denied.
    I think I just like arguing because like I pointed out I am Sunni (though I am not a huge fan of Hadith) as is my family and most of my Muslim friends and whenever a sectarian discussion ensues I always appear anti-Sunni in that I tend to point out that in most Sunni-Shi’a conflict in the world today it’s the Sunnis who blow up Shi’a mosques and persecute them and I actually believe that Sh’ism has no legitimacy from an Islamic perspective and is a complete heresy but the facts remain and I remember during one such discussion how my sister once said to me (one of my lifelong best friends is a Shi’a of Pakistani parentage btw) “have you secretly converted to Shi’a or what, why do you hate Sunnis?” You reminded me of that when you called me anti-Muslim. The point is I’ll defend what I believe to be the truth whether it’s favourable to “my people” or not.
    If we, as Muslims ignore or try to sugar-coat our ummah’s problems, that leaves only the anti-Muslim/Islam crowd to speak out (with atrocious exaggeration, bigotry and hatred of Islam) about them.

  • Anticipated Serendipity

    * = 🙂

  • Anticipated Serendipity

    @IbnAbuTalib
    You’re forgetting that Salafis are Muslims and their views aren’t too unpopular to a large section of non-Salafi Muslims, as anyone who has spent time on ummahforum or IslamicAwakening can attest to and the Iranian mullahocracy imposes most of the nasty things I listed above and they are very far from being Salafis, infact they’re considered kuffar by most Salafis.
    Timothy McVeigh was an agnostic who just didn’t like the government. He claimed he was an agnostic and science was his religion. Labelling the KKK Christian terrorists would be akin to labelling the Ba’athists or the MEK Muslim terrorists. The Spanish Inquisition and the Crusades (which started to counter Arab invasions of Europe and persecution of Christians in Jerusalem by the Seljuk Turks) happened hundreds of years ago.
    It’s sad to admit it but the Muslim ummah is not what it once was; it feels like the Muslim world is where Western Christianity was pre-Renaissance and that’s not a very good place to be.
    As for your last sentence great minds think alike  And I actually have thought this through.

  • Sahra

    @Anticipated… #1 Are you sure you’re not secretly anti-muslim, trying to pass for a “liberal muslim”(whatever the hell that mean)?? I’m noticing from your comments that you’re sticking up and defending the worst fanatics extremists radically fundamentalists christians from the GOP party, at least the MB are not trying to ban churchs in Egypt or having “hearings” or advocating for racial profiling of the egyptian christians copts. The Muslim Brotherhood of Egypt, despite what the islamophobic western media say about them are not a monolithic group, in fact the christians copts of Egypt favored and supported them for years more than they did with the corrupted secular leadership of the dictator Mubarak regime, who where maintained 100% by west. As for the female candidates of the GOP party, which one are you talking about? the equally pathetic racist islamophic lunatic females like Palin and Bachman? One said that bombing Irak was ordered by god(a.k.a jesus for them), while the other said the she is subservient to her husband. If one of these lunatics become president (may God forbit)then God help us all.

    #2.. I’ve lived in several muslim countries and i’ve never once saw or heard anybody stoning anyboby, even from the individuals with extrem views.
    ON that note read the comment of @ibnabutalib and lay off the western islamophic media.

  • NassirH

    In other words, Islamophobes are being profoundly hypocritical when they complain about the Indonesian legislation since they support similar legislation in the United States for the purpose of discriminating against Muslims. That is completely true, of course, if the said legislation actually exists in Indonesia, as you claim. Regardless, it’s still another case of Islamophobes attempting to undermine religious freedom.

  • JoinBack

    You need to be careful with what you’re criticizing. If you’re going to criticize Herman Cain, then do it for his support of banning Mosques, not for the legislation that exists in Indonesia. It’s the same thing the Phobes attack when Indonesian law allows a community to decide what can be constructed in their neighborhood.

  • IbnAbuTalib

    Anticipated Serendipity: The worst thing a Christian fanatic can do is ban gays from marrying, ban abortion, promote Christianity in schools, etc (TBH stuff that many traditionalist Muslims would agree with).

    Weren’t the Crusaders Christian fanatics? Weren’t those who carried out the Spanish Inquisition Christian fanatics? Weren’t the KKK Christian fanatics? Wasn’t Timothy McVeigh a Christian fanatic?

    I generally agree with what you say but this time you clearly did not think your thoughts through.

  • IbnAbuTalib

    Anticipated Serendipity: The worst thing a Muslim fanatic can do is mandatory hijab, stoning, death for apostasy, need I go on…?

    More like the worse a Salafi fanatic can do is……

  • “And that’s the difference b/w America and Indonesia”

    Yeah, I never get that from these people like bob… their logic often seems to be ‘well some tinpot dictatorship like Saudi does it so we should, like, totally lower ourselves to their level and show them that we are better and more superior dude’. Logic fail…

  • Anticipated Serendipity

    @sahra
    The GOP has a female candidate, the MB claims that a Christian or a woman cannot be president; these are the guys that preceded Hamas in Gaza and opposed women’s suffrage in Kuwait. You can’t compare the two, in fact oftentimes you can’t compare Muslim and Christian fanatics. The worst thing a Christian fanatic can do is ban gays from marrying, ban abortion, promote Christianity in schools, etc (TBH stuff that many traditionalist Muslims would agree with). The worst thing a Muslim fanatic can do is mandatory hijab, stoning, death for apostasy, need I go on…?

    @NassirH
    How about if a group of atheists/leftists in San Francisco opposed the construction of an evangelical Southern Baptist church? How about if Arabs in Dearborn opposed the construction of a synagogue? Cain’s logic is ludicrous. Many Americans opposed desegregating schools, should those in the Southern states – who know their own communities better and who know of the dangers of allowing whites and blacks to intermingle too much – have been allowed to continue with segregation because the majority of them support it. Your rights end where other people’s freedom begins. Any patch of land anywhere can be declared “hallowed ground” by anyone according to Cain. 
    It’s particularly funny considering most Tennesseeans support the construction of this mosque. 

    “It seems Indonesia has what Mr Cain is advocating already set up. I don’t see the big deal where a community is allowed to decide on the construction of a house of worship in their neighborhood.”

    And that’s the difference b/w America and Indonesia (even though we all know that Cain thinks that American communities have the right to object to only Muslim houses of worship in their neighborhoods, all other religions have freedom of religion); in the US there is freedom of religion and the majority cannot infringe on the rights of a minority.

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