Spencer is working hard to disassociate himself from one of his fans
The anti-Muslim loons of the world are in a major bind right now. Their intolerant anti-Muslim attitude and constant fear-mongering is responsible for the horrible terrorist attack that occurred in Norway at the hands of self-professed Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller supporter Anders Behring Breivik. Recent reports suggest that Breivik was inspired by the writings of anti-Muslim bigots like Spencer and Geller, as well as others in the anti-Muslim circle such as Bat Ye’or and Fjordman.
Spencer himself has come out and attempted to dismiss the connection between Breivik’s violence and his own anti-Muslim bigotry, saying “no one has explained or can explain how this guy’s supposed anti-jihad views have anything to do with his murdering children.” A fair question in light of the tragic violence that Breivik was responsible for. Did the anti-Muslim hatred inspire the violence in Oslo?
Spencer lays out his version of the logic this way, saying:
1. Freedom fighters preach free speech, freedom of conscience and equality of rights for all people, against Sharia and Islamic supremacism that denies those rights, advocating only legal means of protest and dissent.
2. Some nutcase who allegedly expressed allegiance with the freedom fighters kills people, none of whom are preaching Sharia or Islamic supremacism.
3. Media assumes that #1 caused #2 and blames freedom fighters.
The obvious problem with Spencer’s logic is that it does not include his and other anti-Muslim loons’ consistent denunciations of “leftists” as jihad-enablers. This is a key tenant of the so-called anti-jihadist movement. They hate the left, or more specifically, anyone who treats Muslims with a smidgen of fairness and tolerance. Spencer and Geller consistently and constantly portray the left as those who would sell out the West to the scary Mooslems. Spencer’s hate site Jihad Watch is filled with posts denouncing the “Leftist/Jihadist alliance,” warning his readers of how the left will happily allow the Mooslem hordes to overthrow the West and “dhimmify” its population.
Breivik adopted this view of the left. Paul Woodward notes that Breivik argued “that cultural conservatives should not identify their main opponents as Jihadists, but instead should focus their attention on those he regards as the ‘facilitators’ of Jihadists, namely, the proponents of multiculturalism.” It was these liberals and “multi-culturalists” that were the target of his rampage.
Therefore, a more logical set-up would be as follows:
1. Anti-Muslim bigots vilify Muslims as a threat to Western culture and civilization, and argue that the left is most responsible for allowing Muslims to undermine Western civilization. In fact, the left is more the enemy than the anti-jihadists themselves!
2. A right-wing self-proclaimed anti-jihadist chooses the capital of a famously liberal, leftist, and socialist country as the target for his attack.
3. Media is perfectly justified in establishing a link between #1 and #2.
When you preach bigotry and fear on a daily basis, don’t be surprised when one of your followers takes the next logical step. But Robert Spencer has a reason to feign surprise and indignation over what his hatred has incited, as the link between his hate-writing and this act of terrorism becomes clear: Richard Silverstein notes that the right-wing terrorist Anders Behring Breivik cited Robert Spencer 46 times in his manifesto. He was clearly quite the fan. This certainly seems to be right-wing anti-Muslim terrorism inspired by the king of Islamophobia himself, Robert Spencer.
July 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am
He is such a loser. The perpetrator was also a fan of Spencer’s drinking buddy Geert Wilders.
July 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Looks like Spencer has become the inspiration for violence.
July 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
KILLER MORE ANTI-NORWEGIAN THAN ANTI-MOSLEM
This psychotic mass murderer was more anti-Norwegian than anti-Moslem. His hatred for Norwegians was greater than his hatred of Moslems. If not he would have car bombed a Moslem mosque followed by a shooting spree of believers in a Moslem neighborhood.
July 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Lol. Screw you Spencer! Come on man, all this guy wanted to do was show everybody how much he learned from his mentor! At least acknowledge his devotion to your “scholarly” mutterings! Don’t be a d*ck, Mr. Spencer. (Oops! TOO LATE!)
July 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Loon Watch
Did you ban Jihad Bob from commenting here, or did he skulk away himself?
July 24th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
@ ApolloSpeaks
The article clearly shows(with a link) how Robert Spencer fosters antagonism against Muslims, and the liberals, or anyone for that matter who treats Muslims with a “smidgen of fairness and tolerance.” Anders does not hate Norwegians, nor does he hate Norway. He hates that fact that people who don’t share his cultural values are allowed to emigrate into his country, and intended to punish the people whose policies bring about such assault to his xenophobia and bigotry.
At the end of the day, he still hates Muslims and the people left of his politics. Not one more than the other. Almost identical to how Osama bin Laden went “Loon.” His initial criticisms were for the Saudi government… and the rest is history.
July 24th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
That is not someone I would want as a fan, so I almost can’t blame his denial. Doesn’t make it right, I just don’t blame him for it..
July 24th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Why he targeted non-Muslims, from his manifesto:
Pg 1255
Fight category A and B traitors NOT Muslims or ANTIFA (anarcho-Marxists/Marxist Jugend)
DO NOT for the love of God aim your rage and frustration at Muslims. Muslim or Paki bashing is a sure way to hurt our cause as this is what the cultural Marxist elites WANT you to do. They want you to waste your efforts on fighting Muslims and they will do anything to prevent you from aiming your efforts at them. They want the indigenous Europeans to busy fighting Muslims as that will guarantee their positions. We will never have a chance at overthrowing the cultural Marxist if we waste our energy and efforts on fighting Muslims.
This can easily be illustrated:
When the pipe in your bathroom springs a leak and the water is flooding the room, what do you do? It’s not very complicated, after all. You go for the source of the problem, the leak itself! You DON’T mop up until after you have fixed the actual leak. Needless to say, our regime is the leak (all category A, B and C traitors), the Muslims are the water.
Disgusting.
July 24th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
From Pamela Geller to Anders Behring Breivik — how Islamophobia turned deadly in Norway
by Paul Woodward on July 23, 2011
The Oslo killings, however, should be seen in a different light since there is a wealth of evidence to suggest that the perpetrator of this atrocity, even if it turns out he was acting alone, was very much part of a political movement — a movement whose leading ideologues regularly appear on Fox News and have high public profiles.
Anders Behring Breivik, the 32-year-old Norwegian man widely assumed to be responsible for the mass murder that took place in Oslo yesterday, is being referred to as a Christian fundamentalist in many press reports.
His comments appearing on the political website Document.no suggest however that this is a rather misleading description. His views, as revealed there, are ideological rather than religious with his preeminent focus being his opposition to multiculturalism. (Quotations of Breivik appearing below come from a translation provided by Doug Saunders.)
In the United States, one of the most prominent public faces of the movement to which Breivik belongs is that of the notorious right-wing, pro-Israel, Islamophobic blogger, Pamela Geller, whose principal mouthpiece is Atlas Shrugs.
The poster below shows a recent event which she backed, along with Robert Spencer who operates Jihad Watch.
The World War Two iconography they employ — battleships, tanks and squadrons of bombers — makes it clear that they regard their campaign against “Islamization” as a kind of war. One of the battles in that war played out in Oslo yesterday.
read more here
http://warincontext.org/2011/07/23/from-pamela-geller-to-anders-behring-breivik-how-islamophobia-turned-deadly/
July 24th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
One thing is sure, the terrorist is not a Nazi, he is a Christian Zionist, loves Israel, hates Muslims and leftists and is a fan of Islamophobe bigots like Spencer, Geller, Wilders etc. All of these bigots are linked to Israel. Their lunatic terrorist targeted the leftist Norwegians because they declared on the 18th of July that they would support a Palestinian state in the UN in September.
July 24th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
“Some nutcase who allegedly expressed allegiance with the freedom fighters kills people, none of whom are preaching Sharia or Islamic supremacism”
seriously though, i wonder what the reaction would be if he did do what he did at a muslim neighbourhood. would spencer and the rest still try and distance themselves?
if someone preaches hatred for an entire decade, eventually somebody else insane enough will come along and do something like this… i hope this isnt just the beginning.
July 24th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
hey everyone, Bill Warner, the private investigator, has an excellent blog up, he has been covering this. He has investigated Geller in the past too,
Check out the full blog it has excellent links, he also has a plethora of info on his site, not found elsewhere
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UPDATED Norway Mass Murderer Anders Behring Breivik Is Anti-Muslim Right Wing Nut Linked to Stop the Islamization of Europe, EDL, Pamela Geller and Jihad Watch.
Posted: July 23, 2011 by pibillwarner
Norway Mass Murderer Anders Behring Breivik Is Anti-Muslim Right Wing Nut Linked to Stop the Islamization of Europe (SIOE), the EDL, Pamela Geller of “Atlas Shrugs” and Robert Spencer’s “Jihad Watch”, it appears that these people and groups inspired Mass Murderer Anders Behring Breivik.
According the website Atlantic.com, Anders Behring Breivik expressed extremist Islamophobic views on forums and criticised immigration policies. He argued on a Swedish news website that the media were not critical enough about Islam and claimed that Geert Wilders’ Party for Freedom in the Netherlands was the only ‘true’ party of conservatives.
Norway mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik is the white face of the Anti-Muslim right wing nut world inspired by Pamela Geller of “Atlas Shrugs” and Robert Spencer of “Jihad Watch”, told you so about these people. Time for the FBI to shut down Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer’s SIOA hate macine. SIOA/SIOE/EDL Neo Nazi Summit in Europe this Summer Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller To Officiate The Hate Fest in France Que Up The Riot Police
read more here
http://pibillwarner.wordpress.com/2011/07/23/updated-norway-mass-murderer-anders-behring-breivik-is-anti-muslim-right-wing-nut-linked-to-stop-the-islamization-of-europe-edl-pamela-geller-and-jihad-watch/
July 24th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Norway suspect laid out detailed plans for violence against “traitors,” Muslims
Submitted by Ali Abunimah
This is according to a 1,500 page manuscript Breivik himself wrote. Norway’s public broadcaster NRK reported on the manuscript and that Breivik had admitted to writing and disseminating it (Google translation of NRK report).
The manuscript consists of hundreds of pages of political analysis and ideology, plus a lengthy diary-like section setting out Breivik’s meticulous planning for yesterday’s attacks. Breivik also extensively cites anti-Muslim Dutch far-right anti-Muslim politician Geert Wilders.
Breivik signed the manuscript in terms which suggested he viewed himself as a crusader:
Andrew Berwick Justiciar Knight Commander
Knights Templar Europe
Knights Templar Norway
Breivik is a strong supporter of Israel and particularly of far-right nationalists such as foreign minister Avigdor Lieberman and his Yisrael Beitenu party. From a rapid assessement there is no indication that his attack was in any way motivated explicitly by such views, although he clearly viewed Israel as being engaged in the same “war” of which he saw himself as a part.
I downloaded a copy of the manuscript from a link provided on Twitter by a Norwegian journalist, however I have decided not to post a copy, because the manuscript in addition to Breivik’s political writings contains detailed instructions for how Breivik obtained guns and manufactured bombs. It also appears from the manuscript that Breivik was planning the attack for several years, including elaborate fronts like his farm business.
Here are however a few excerpts that may shed light on Breivik’s views and motivations:
read more here
http://electronicintifada.net/blog/ali-abunimah/norway-suspect-laid-out-detailed-plans-violence-against-traitors-muslims
July 24th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Do you know that Breivik also recommended “reading everything” by Robert Spencer?
It is well known in Eurabia mythology that “leftists/Muslims” form some kind of deviant alliance. Hate of Leftists is just about as intense as hate of Muslims. Nobody that has read the works of this violent Islamophobes is buying this crap after the revolutions of the past 48 hours!
Spencer, Geller, Wilders — all have blood of innocence on their hands…
July 24th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
‘Norway attack suspect aired anti-Muslim, pro-Israel views’
1,500 page manifesto credited to Anders Behring Breivik, accused of killing spree, lays out worldview including extreme screed of Islamophobia, far-right Zionism, and venomous attacks on Marxism and multiculturalism.
In a jab at left-wing Jews, Breivik writes that pre-war German Jews were disloyal to their country, “at least the so-called liberal Jews, similar to the liberal Jews today that oppose nationalism/Zionism and support multiculturalism. Jews that support multiculturalism today are as much of a threat to Israel and Zionism (Israeli nationalism) as they are to us. So let us fight together with Israel, with our Zionist brothers against all anti-Zionists, against all cultural Marxists/multiculturalists.”
He also says that Israel is the homeland for Jews largely due to the persecution suffered by Jews at the hands of Muslims, saying “if one acknowledges that Islam has always oppressed the Jews, one accepts that Israel was a necessary refuge for the Jews fleeing not only the European but also the Islamic variety of anti-Judaism.”
The manifesto also serves as a call to arms of sorts, in which Breivik lays out his reasons for launching the attack, focusing on what he describes as the importance of nationalism and the growing scourge of Islam in Europe.
Ben Hartman – The Jerusalem Post
read more here
http://www.jpost.com/International/Article.aspx?id=230762
July 24th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
anti Islamic websites should be treated like “Jihadist” websites, they should be block in most countries and monitored 24/7 by Intelligence officials
July 24th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Apollo
The thesis of his manifesto is that the western world is at war with Islam. In his mind, the war began when the ‘liberal, globalist, culturally marxist’ Nato decided to bomb Serbian forces. He describes in detail how the different phases of the war will evolve up until Europe comes out victorious in 2084.
So he didn’t mass murder political youths because he was ‘anti-norwegian’ (really?), but because he considered them to be traitors in the ongoing war.
July 24th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@Apollo
The thesis of his manifesto is that the western world is at war with Islam. In his mind, the war began when the ‘liberal, globalist, culturally marxist’ Nato decided to bomb Serbian forces. He describes in detail how the different phases of the war will evolve up until Europe comes out victorious in 2084.
So he didn’t mass murder political youths because he was ‘anti-norwegian’ (really?), but because he considered them to be traitors in the ongoing war.
July 24th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
What Really Lies Behind The Oslo Attacks – And Why It May Happen Again
Abigail R. Esman
Breivik has simply taken a different approach: he attacked what he sees as the enablers — frustrated, perhaps, by a failure to vote them out of power. It is a new form of protest, and he is the first to use it. But I fear that, unless Europe begins demanding that its Muslim population live according to its Enlightenment traditions and the values of democracy, he will not be the last.
read more here
http://blogs.forbes.com/abigailesman/2011/07/23/what-really-lies-behind-the-oslo-attacks-and-why-it-may-happen-again/
July 24th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
On 3. September 2011 in Berlin
Meeting of four fascists
Gert Wilders
Robert Spencer
Rene Stadtkewitz and
Oskar Freysinger
Four liars, four fascists!!!
July 24th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
that fat hairy little troll has blood of innocent children on his filthy little paws. the police should shut him down.
July 24th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
If you don’t like the system, build a better one. Don’t go out and kill people.
July 24th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
I think the best thing to do is to monitor his site and do surveillance checks on these loons. They are truly dangerous people! I know we have freedom of Speech and all that, but if loons can get away with establishing anti-Sharia Laws then why not shut down hate sites??
July 24th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
This guy is an Islamophobe by all accounts.
July 24th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
The Oslo Terrorist’s ‘Counter-Jihad’ Ideology
Blood on their hands
Charles Johnson
But I’ve seen a lot of people mistakenly attributing the articles that make up most of the manifesto to Breivik himself. In fact, the blog source that’s probably cited the most throughout Breivik’s book is Jihad Watch, run by anti-Muslim demagogue Robert Spencer; Breivik cites Robert Spencer more than 40 times, always approvingly.
And a very large number — more than three dozen — of the lengthy articles reprinted in the book are the work of the anonymous white nationalist blogger “Fjordman,” who apparently gave Breivik permission to use them.
Back in the day, I linked to Fjordman’s articles myself; he was a big self-promoter and would email and ask for links every time he posted something. But sometime around 2007 (when I criticized him and other “counter-jihad” bloggers for making deals with extreme right wing European groups) it became clear that his seeming erudition and extreme logorrhea was a cover for a particularly nasty form of European white nationalism.
And this split is actually reflected in the articles by Fjordman that Breivik put in his book. In the early pieces you’ll see complimentary links to LGF, turning into insults and revilement in the later pieces when I called them out, then wouldn’t back down or “apologize” to these racist cretins.
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Unlike Jared Loughner (the shooter of Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords), with Anders Behring Breivik there’s no doubt whatsoever where he got the inspiration and the ideology that led inexorably to the horror in Oslo.
When Gabrielle Giffords and several others were shot, I was critical of the right wing blogs and Sarah Palin in particular, for encouraging a climate of violent rhetoric. But in the Norway atrocities, the responsibility is far more evident and direct.
People like Fjordman and Pamela Geller and the right wing blogosphere who refused to denounce the extremists among them now have the very real blood of children on their hands.
read more here
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/38928_The_Oslo_Terrorists_Counter-Jihad_Ideology
July 24th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Exploiting a tragedy (updated)
Posted By Stephen M. Walt Sunday, July 24, 2011 – 9:35 AM
As soon as the shocking and tragic news from Norway hit the airwaves, it was entirely predictable that various right-wing Islamophobes would type first and think later. They were so eager to exploit the tragedy to peddle their pre-existing policy preferences that they blindly assumed the acts had to have been perpetrated by al Qaeda, by its various clones, or by some other radical Muslim group.
This is the sort of bias one expects from an ideologue like Jennifer Rubin (who gets taken to task for her rush-to-judgment by James Fallows here). Sadly, it is also not out of character for the supposedly respectable Wall Street Journal, whose editorial page has been a reliable source of threat-mongering and distortion for years. Even as Norwegian officials were cautioning that they had no reason to suspect Islamist groups, the Journal was plunging ahead with an editorial entitled “Terror in Oslo,” which drew the following utterly bogus conclusion:
Norway certainly did not buy itself much grace from the jihadis for staying out of the Iraq war, or for Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg’s demand that Israel open its borders with Gaza, or for his calls for a Palestinian unity government between Fatah and its terrorist cousin Hamas.
Norway can do all this and more, but in jihadist eyes it will forever remain guilty of being what it is: a liberal nation committed to freedom of speech and conscience, equality between the sexes, representative democracy and every other freedom that still defines the West. For being true to these ideals Norwegians have now been made to pay a terrible price.”
Given that remarkable statement, the Journal’s editors must have been deeply disappointed to learn that the person who was actually charged in the case, Anders Behring Breivik, was not in fact a jihadi, a critic of Israel, or even a Muslim. Instead, he is a right-wing Norwegian Islamophobe who is reportedly obsessed with the dangers of multi-culturalism and a contributor to extremist websites like Jihad Watch and Atlas Shrugs. In other words, he’s the sort of person who might well subscribe to the Wall Street Journal not for its coverage of the business world, but for its predictably hardline editorial “insight.”
As I write this (Saturday noon EDT), the editorial has still not been removed from the WSJ website and no apology or retraction has been issued. The Journal and its editors are obviously free to continue to sow the seeds of hatred and paranoia, but the rest of us are equally free to view them with appropriate contempt. And let us also take time to reflect on Norway’s sorrow, and to remember that hatred and violence can erupt from many directions.
read more here
http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/07/24/exploiting_a_tragedy
July 24th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Using Spencer’s logic, now let’s ban Spencer’s books because they incite violence.
July 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
@safak
he and his fans would just yawn at this like they do to every anti muslim incident after all whenever a muslim goes though anything anti muslim related they blame the victim.
July 24th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Anti-Muslim bigotry is rife among the right wing media. See what Fox “news” did before the details came out.
“In the ‘Back of the Book’ segment tonight, two deadly terror attacks in Norway, in what appears to be the work, once again, of Muslim extremists.”
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201107230001
July 24th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
BBCNEWS 1015 word article 40 paragraphs This was all that was writen
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Mr Breivik’s lawyer Geir Lippestad told Norwegian media: “He thought it was gruesome having to commit these acts, but in his head they were necessary.
“He wished to attack society and the structure of society,” Mr Lippestad said.
He added that the actions had been planned for some time.
The suspect is reported to have had links with right-wing extremists.
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Now lets think if this was a muslim guy They would have brought up his mosque people he hung out with his background how religious he was motivation of couse one listed would be quran and of cource past attacks done by people like him This is like the media going out of its way to avoid saying anything about this guy people he hung out with
July 24th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
Fjordman was Anders Breivik under a pseudonym, which makes the links even more devastating.
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=476_1311415657
July 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
here’s an example of his Breivik / Fjordman ‘s writing on Geller’s Atlas Shrugged site. maybe Geller’s Facebook page would like to be reminded as it seems to have forgotten.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2010/04/fjordman-book-review-wafa-sultans-the-god-who-hates.html
July 24th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
^so basically they’re saying it’s political, not religious. BULLSH*T!!
July 24th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
These are some of the stuff he has written about his religious beliefs in his manifesto:
“(…)I was completely ignorant at the time and apolitical but his total lack of respect for my culture (and Western culture in general) actually sparked my interest and passion for it. Thanks to him I gradually developed a passion for my own cultural identity. This was apparently very annoying for him, as I was unwilling to convert to Islam. Instead, I suggested he convert to Christianity and embrace our norms and culture.
(…)
Personal facts:
Religion: Christian, Protestant but I support a reformation of Protestantism leading to it being absorbed by Catholisism. The typical “Protestant Labour Church” has to be deconstructed as its creation was an attempt to abolish the Church
Religious: I went from moderately to agnostic to moderately religious
(…)
Regarding my personal relationship with God, I guess I’m not an excessively religious man. I am first and foremost a man of logic. However, I am a supporter of a monocultural Christian Europe.”
I wouldn’t say it was religiously motivated, or, I guess it depends on how you look at it. He seems to emphasize the cultural and historical aspects of Christianity rather than his own religious beliefs, so in that sense it’s politically/ideologically motivated.
On the other hand, people would be quick to emphasize the religious background of the terrorist if he happened to be a muslim, regardless of what motives he might’ve had, but two wrongs doesn’t make one right.
July 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Or screw that, the whole crusade thing (christian jihad, anyone?) and him wanting to create a christian version of Al Qaida definitely makes to religiously motivated. Nevermind what I wrote above.
July 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Or screw that, the whole crusade thing (christian jihad, anyone?) and him wanting to create a christian version of Al Qaida definitely makes to religiously motivated. Nevermind what I wrote above.
July 24th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Another extract from his manifesto:
“Page: 1363
Q: Do I have to believe in God or Jesus in order to become a Justiciar Knight?
A: As this is a cultural war, our definition of being a Christian does not necessarily constitute that you are required to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus. Being a Christian can mean many things;
- That you believe in and want to protect Europe’s Christian cultural heritage.
The European cultural heritage, our norms (moral codes and social structures included), our traditions and our modern political systems are based on Christianity – Protestantism, Catholicism, Orthodox Christianity and the legacy of the European enlightenment (reason is the primary source and legitimacy for authority).
It is not required that you have a personal relationship with God or Jesus in order to fight for our Christian cultural heritage and the European way. In many ways, our modern societies and European secularism is a result of European Christendom and the enlightenment. It is therefore essential to understand the difference between a “Christian fundamentalist theocracy” (everything we do not want) and a secular European society based on our Christian cultural heritage (what we do want).
So no, you don’t need to have a personal relationship with God or Jesus to fight for our Christian cultural heritage. It is enough that you are a Christian-agnostic or a Christian-atheist (an atheist who wants to preserve at least the basics of the European Christian cultural legacy (Christian holidays, Christmas and Easter)).
The PCCTS, Knights Templar is therefore not a religious organisation but rather a Christian “culturalist” military order.”
I’ll let you judge for yourself whether or not he’s a christian fundamentalist, and whether or not it was religiously motivated. I’ll stfu for now, g’night.
July 24th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Norway killings put U.S. extremists in spotlight
By Scott Shane
New York Times
Posted: 07/24/2011
The man accused of the killing spree in Norway was deeply influenced by a small group of U.S. bloggers and writers who have warned for years about the threat from Islam, lacing his 1,500-page manifesto with quotations from them, as well as copying multiple passages from the tract of the Unabomber.
In the document he posted online hours before the attacks, Anders Behring Breivik, the sole suspect in the bombings and shootings that left at least 93 people dead, showed that he had closely followed the acrimonious U.S. debate over Islam.
His manifesto quoted Robert Spencer, who operates the Jihad Watch website, 64 times, and cited other U.S. and European writers who shared his view that Muslim immigrants pose a grave danger to Western culture.
More broadly, the mass killings in Norway, with their echo of the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City by an anti-government militant, have focused new attention on the subculture of anti-Muslim bloggers and right-wing activists.
Critics have asserted that the intense spotlight on the threat from Islamists has unfairly vilified Muslim Americans while dangerously downplaying the threat of attacks from other domestic radicals. The author of a 2009 Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism withdrawn by the department after criticism from conservatives, repeated Sunday his claim that the department had tilted too heavily toward the threat from Islamists.
Marc
Sageman, a former CIA officer and consultant on terrorism, said it would be unfair to attribute Breivik’s violence to the writers who helped shape his world view. But at the same time, he said the counterjihad writers do argue that the fundamentalist Salafi branch of Islam “is the infrastructure from which al-Qaida emerged. Well, they and their writings are the infrastructure from which Breivik emerged.”
Sageman, who is also a forensic psychiatrist, said he saw no overt signs of mental illness in Breivik’s writings. He said Breivik bears some resemblance to Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, who also spent years on a manifesto and carried out his mail bombings in part to gain attention for his theories.
Breivik’s declaration did not name Kaczynski or acknowledge the numerous passages copied from the Unabomber’s 1995 manifesto, in which the Norwegian substituted “multiculturalists” or “cultural Marxists” for Kaczynski’s “leftists” and made other small wording changes.
read more here
http://www.mercurynews.com/crime-courts/ci_18542273
July 24th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
Norway gunman had links to UK far-Right groups: Killer claimed to have discussions with English Defence League
The man who allegedly killed 93 people in a massacre in Norway has been linked to the English Defence League (EDL).
Anders Behring Breivik, 32, wrote in one online post: ‘I have on some occasions discussed with… EDL and recommended them to use conscious strategies.
‘The tactics of the EDL is to ”entice” an overreaction from jihad youth/extreme Marxists, something
And anti-extremist group Hope Not Hate has called for the EDL to be ‘formally classified as a far-right organisation’ in the wake of the Norway attacks.
Director Nick Lowles said: ‘Incredibly, the EDL are not currently classified as an extremist right wing group. That severely limits the capacity of the police to gather intelligence on the EDL, its members and its activities.
‘Given the mounting evidence of connections between the EDL and alleged violent extremists like Anders Behring Breivik, we don’t see how this situation is sustainable.’
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The manifesto also referred to a secret meeting in London in April 2002 to reconstitute the Knights Templar – skilled fighters endorsed by the Church who fought during the Crusades in the Middle Ages. They are sometimes revered by white supremacists
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It said the meeting was attended by nine representatives of eight European countries with another three members unable to attend, including a ‘European-American’.
The document does not name the attendees or say whether they were aware of Breivik’s planned attacks. It is thought that investigators will now try to determine if these people exist and what their connection is to Breivik.
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The Norwegian prime minister, Jens Stoltenberg, said officials were working with foreign intelligence agencies to see if there was any international involvement in the slaughter.
‘We have running contact with other countries’ intelligence services,’ he said.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2018179/Anders-Behring-Breivik-Online-postings-reveal-link-English-Defence-League.html#ixzz1T4vjQC1v
July 24th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
In my experience, Christian fundamentalists are not real Christians.
Second of all, given the megabytes and bandwidth he gave to the Islamophobic loons who inspired him – I hope he gets to tell us all about it in a show trial ;-]
Yep – tell Planet Earth that he massacred 90+ people to start a “European civil war” to prevent the “coming Eurabian night.” Tell the global media about what an inspiration Bat Ye’or and that one should read everything ever written by Robert Spencer. And – what a great political party the “Freedom Party” of Geert Wilders is … yep … mass murderers should join the PVV…
Breivik will tell us at his trial that he is not criminally responsible for the cold blooded murder of 93 of his fellow Norwegians because he “was saving Norway from islamisation” and “saving Western civilization from cultural Marxists.” This is sort of like self defense in taking the lives of others …
Yep – let the show begin!
July 24th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
“Marc Sageman, a former CIA officer and consultant on terrorism, said it would be unfair to attribute Breivik’s violence to the writers who helped shape his world view. But at the same time, he said the counterjihad writers do argue that the fundamentalist Salafi branch of Islam “is the infrastructure from which al-Qaida emerged. Well, they and their writings are the infrastructure from which Breivik emerged.”
Sageman, who is also a forensic psychiatrist, said he saw no overt signs of mental illness in Breivik’s writings”
Sorry Mr Sageman , epic fail plus you obviously missed your last appointment with your optition
July 25th, 2011 at 12:10 am
i like pamela geller’s efforts for damage control better though. and by better, i mean funnier:
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2011/07/extraordinary-deception.html#comments
title of her article is “extraordinary-deception” (lol oh the irony…), and here is her panic attack:
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It is almost inconceivable that one passing reference in a 1,516-page screed would be sufficient for the Islamic/leftist machine to assign blame to yours truly, and to those of us who are working diligently to educate the people. It’s extraordinary that this is being swallowed whole by the mainstream media. It’s extraordinary that we experience thwarted plots, acts of jihad on a weekly and sometimes daily basis, without the mainstream media ever referring to the very ideology that inspires, commands, and prescribes such violence. But the left wing alternative media is madly running with this.
We’re still waiting for the Department of Defense to speak to the religious motivation in the Fort Hood jihad. And yet here we are with a mass murderer who has been planning this for nine years, long before I ever heard of a blog, and who sought to use us, to use our work as a basis for his maniacal, homicidal rampage — and we are held responsible. Notice that no attention is being paid to last week’s jihad attack in Mumbai. Is it because it’s Islam, and the media is Sharia-compliant? Is it because it’s brown people? Are we going to go there? That’s what the left would say if conservatives were not paying sufficient attention to murders in a non-Western country.
There is only a single and insignificant reference to me in Breivik’s manifesto. The 55 references to Spencer are mostly quotes from Muslim scriptures. But Breivik cites LGF numerous times, in a very different way. He includes a long diatribe against Charles Johnson, whom he clearly admired until he felt betrayed enough to snap. The killer speaks about Charles Johnson obsessively and wrings his hands about Johnson’s turn to the left. Could this perhaps have been the provocation? Could this have been what caused him to snap?
Breivik also refers favorably to Obama. Does that make the president culpable as well?
This whole exercise is ridiculous. Anders Behring Breivik is responsible for his actions. If anyone incited him to violence, it was Islamic supremacists. If anything incited him to violence, it was the Euro-Med policy.
Spencer wrote, “This disgusting neo-Nazi, excluded from SIOE because of his Nazi ties, epitomizes the disrespect for life and the contempt for humane values that terrorism embodies, and that we have dedicated our lives to resisting. Whether the challenge to human rights and to the dignity of the human person comes from neo-Nazis or Islamic supremacists, we are determined to continue to resist it, and to do everything in our power to defend the principles of freedom upon which the best of human civilization has always been based.”
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notice how she frantically tries to save herself by first blaming the unfair coverage in the left-controlled media and blames the left, then points the finger to other blogs like LGF, then mentions obama, then says breivik is responsible for his own actions and that NOBODY is to blame (lol), and finally concludes by holding (surprise surprise) “islamic supremacists” responsible… and finishes off by posting spencer’s own sad attempts at damage control, which is basically just him being extremely diplomatic, ending with a promise to resist “neo-nazis” as well as “islamic supremacists”. whatever, i dont see “jihadwatch” changing its name to “jihadandneonaziwatch” anytime soon…
July 25th, 2011 at 1:26 am
“There is only a single and insignificant reference to me in Breivik’s manifesto. The 55 references to Spencer are mostly quotes from Muslim scriptures.”
I smell jealousy… poor Pammy, too mad even for this madman to be included in his manifesto in any reasonable way! Sucks huh?
July 25th, 2011 at 1:37 am
Nice one Jack the truth hurts .
The killer actually stated that he spesifically recommended Robert Spencer Books. Cannot be clearer than that . He also said that Bat Y’Or was difficult to read but I personally think that this could be because they are compleat bollocks.
Pammy can ike Lady MacBeth she can wash her hands but the stain is still there
July 25th, 2011 at 1:38 am
Whooops my last statement should read
Pammy can like Lady MacBeth she can wash her hands but the stain is still there
July 25th, 2011 at 2:04 am
Killings in Norway Spotlight Anti-Muslim Thought in U.S.
Published: Sunday, July 24
The man accused of the killing spree in Norway was deeply influenced by a small group of American bloggers and writers who have warned for years about the threat from Islam, lacing his 1,500-page manifesto with quotations from them, as well as copying multiple passages from the tract of the Unabomber.
In the document he posted online, Anders Behring Breivik, who is accused of bombing government buildings and killing scores of young people at a Labor Party camp, showed that he had closely followed the acrimonious American debate over Islam.
His manifesto, which denounced Norwegian politicians as failing to defend the country from Islamic influence, quoted Robert Spencer, who operates the Jihad Watch Web site, 64 times, and cited other Western writers who shared his view that Muslim immigrants pose a grave danger to Western culture.
More broadly, the mass killings in Norway, with their echo of the 1995 bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City by an antigovernment militant, have focused new attention around the world on the subculture of anti-Muslim bloggers and right-wing activists and renewed a debate over the focus of counterterrorism efforts.
In the United States, critics have asserted that the intense spotlight on the threat from Islamic militants has unfairly vilified Muslim Americans while dangerously playing down the threat of attacks from other domestic radicals. The author of a 2009 Department of Homeland Security report on right-wing extremism withdrawn by the department after criticism from conservatives repeated on Sunday his claim that the department had tilted too heavily toward the threat from Islamic militants.
read more here
http://www.the-dispatch.com/article/20110724/ZNYT03/107243018/-1/news?Title=Killings-in-Norway-Spotlight-Anti-Muslim-Thought-in-U-S-
July 25th, 2011 at 2:10 am
Though Robert Spencer’s direct links to international terrorism is not fforthcoming just yet, he is certainly a figurehead, or a rallying point for loose disjoint anti-muslim anti-immigrant Right-wing Euro and American jihadist terrorism.
He only needs to move to the carlsbad caverns or to a non-descript compund iwht high walls somewhere in Langley.
the other side of the coin?
July 25th, 2011 at 2:11 am
Loon Watch, you got a mention in the ABC report below, the article above was linked to by Jeff Sparrow.
Islamophobia manifested in Oslo
Jeff Sparrow 25 July 2011
But have a look at Breivik’s manifesto. It’s hateful, yes, but it’s perfectly coherent. The guy’s not a professional writer and the translation is pretty rough but the text is certainly not the ravings of a schizophrenic.
Indeed, what’s most striking is how familiar much of it is. Huge swathes of the document are indistinguishable from what you’d find on any of the big ‘counter jihadi’ blogs of the Islamophobic right.
Sergey Romanov, a blogger at Little Green Footballs (a site that has broken with the Islamophobic right precisely because of its increasingly violent rhetoric), has posted (scroll down) a word cloud based on Breivik’s writings. The most-used terms are ‘cultural’, ‘conservative’ and ‘multiculturalism’.
Romanov describes how Breivik harbours “resentment against the mainstream media for pushing a culturally Marxist agenda and covering up Muslim wrong-doing and the negative effects of mass immigration and multiculturalism in Europe generally … he felt that the politically correct agenda was completely unchallenged by the mainstream press”.
These are standard talking points for anti-Islam conservatives. Romanov points to the following assessment from a blogger writing for the symptomatically-named Islam Versus Europe site:
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The connection that Breivik drew between radical Islam and leftist supporters of multiculturalism is, again, a staple of the Islamophobic right.
In his manifesto Breivik cited, some 46 times, the work of Robert Spencer, the co-founder of Stop Islamization of America, and a prolific Islamophobic author. As Loonwatch points out, Spencer’s site “Jihad Watch is filled with posts denouncing the ‘Leftist/Jihadist alliance’, warning his readers of how the left will happily allow the Muslim hordes to overthrow the West and ‘dhimmify’ its population”.
Breivik concurred, arguing that the task for the nationalists should not be to focus on Muslims, so much as those he saw as their enablers – that is, the proponents of multiculturalism. Hence the particular targets he chose.
read more here
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/2809244.html
July 25th, 2011 at 2:20 am
The Crusader
Anders Breivik as ideological blowback
by Justin Raimondo, July 25, 2011
It had to happen: the rise of a “counter-jihadist” terrorist outfit that is the mirror image of al-Qaeda. That it first arose in Norway, rather than, say, in the US, is just a coincidence, although I’m sure Anders Behring Breivik, the perpetrator of the Norwegian mass murder in Utoya, has his American collaborators, as he claimed in his manifesto, “2083: A Declaration of European Independence,” [.pdf] and an accompanying video. Indeed, a good many of the sources he cites in “2083″ – which is basically a compendium of previously published works by others – are American. Material from David Horowitz’s website, Frontpagemag.com, figures prominently, along with articles taken verbatim from the Horowitz-affiliated “Jihad Watch,” run by professional hater and make-believe “scholar” Robert Spencer.
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The second part of the video details the threat posed by an inherently aggressive and implacable Islam, the long history of Islamic imperialism, and the submission of the subject peoples to “dhimmitude.” This section relies heavily on the writings of the professional Islamophobes such as Robert Spencer, Bat Ye’or, Andrew G. Bostom, Bernard Lewis, etc., that reads like the table of contents for a routine edition of Horowitz’s online magazine.
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For years, neoconservatives have been telling us the decadent West is no match for the holy warriors of Islam, and what is needed is a revival of the Crusader spirit so that we can defeat our Eternal Enemy once and for all. We in the West must be put on a permanent war footing, they tell us, in order to put “an end to evil,” as two of them put it in a book title. Like the neocons, Breivik and the EDL are staunch supporters of Israel: the Israeli flag flies at EDL rallies, and the Jewish state comes in for undiluted praise in the Knights Templar manifesto.
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The similarity of Osama bin Laden’s vision and Breivik’s is remarkable, right down to the glorification of martyrdom which prefaces part three of the video.
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For years, neoconservatives have been telling us the decadent West is no match for the holy warriors of Islam, and what is needed is a revival of the Crusader spirit so that we can defeat our Eternal Enemy once and for all. We in the West must be put on a permanent war footing, they tell us, in order to put “an end to evil,” as two of them put it in a book title. Like the neocons, Breivik and the EDL are staunch supporters of Israel: the Israeli flag flies at EDL rallies, and the Jewish state comes in for undiluted praise in the Knights Templar manifesto.
Before Breivik was identified as the culprit, neocon columnist Jennifer Rubin rushed into print with an assessment by two of her fellow neocon “experts” – Gary Schmitt and Thomas Joscelyn – that this was the work of al-Qaeda, and concluded:
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read more here
http://original.antiwar.com/justin/2011/07/24/the-crusader/
July 25th, 2011 at 2:35 am
this from Arutz Sheva, the far right Israeli outfit that Pamela Geller writes for
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Report: Norwegian Murderer an Ardent Supporter of Israel
25/07/11, 3:28
According to the report, in an English document he published on the Internet before the massacre, Breivik called himself a strong supporter of Zionism, praised Theodor Herzl the founder of Zionism, and attacked the European political establishment because he saw it as being anti-Israel.
Breivik commended Israel for not giving most of the Muslims who live under its control civil rights, as opposed to the various European countries. He also praised Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu for including the Yisrael Beiteinu and Shas parties in his coalition.
Breivik also quoted a series of Israeli professors such as Itamar Rabinovich and Eyal Zisser in the document. He also specifically mentioned Arutz Sheva and the leftist Haaretz newspaper.
“It’s time to end the stupid support for the Palestinians and begin to support our cultural cousins – Israel,” Channel 2 quoted Breivik as having written in the document.
read more here
A document published by Norway murderer Anders Behring Breivik revealed his support for Israel and his hatred of Islam.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/146038
July 25th, 2011 at 2:41 am
“the counterjihad writers do argue that the fundamentalist Salafi branch of Islam “is the infrastructure from which al-Qaida emerged.”
No they dont, they say its Islam, Islam, Islam alone.
Here is Pamela Geller to confirm it: “Religious Muslims study and revere the same book as the 911 Muslims who invaded this country and attacked this country, wanting to bring it down and usher in an Islamic state. Religious Muslims believe in the same ideology that all jihadis believe in. It is Islam.”
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/11/will-muslims-serve-on-the-911-muslim-terrorist-jury.html
July 25th, 2011 at 3:23 am
“Bamaguje” had this to say on JW:
Frankly I wouldn’t put it past some of the scheming “war is deceit” “religion of peace” people to have somehow orchestrated and entrapped a clueless Anders Breivik into this Taqiyya plot, just so they can say “Christians do it too.”
And all this time I was criticizing Muslims for being particularly conspiracy-theory prone “9/11 was an inside job”, “the US government is the illuminati”, it appears that there are factions within every group who go into defensive mode and tout insane conspiracy theories when members of their group do something unthinkable. “Oh no it wasn’t us, it must be the freemasonry”.
We really need to invade the comments section in this JW article, btw:
‘Who added “Christian” and “Conservative” to Norway shooter’s Facebook page yesterday?’
Spencer is citing Pammy in that article’ he’s getting super desperate to tie the attack on Norway to Islam.
Here’s one from three days ago:
Helpers of Global Jihad Claim Responsibility for Oslo Blast, Youth Camp
July 25th, 2011 at 3:26 am
@ How Islamic inventors changed the world http://www.1001inventions.com
Thank you for taking the time to find all of those articles…I enjoyed reading them
July 25th, 2011 at 3:29 am
1. I reads that guys ” manifesto” I quotes books and articles from
Spencer ( the top most person quoted by the killer)
Geller
Walid Shobat
Bat ‘ Yhor
2. We really need to stop quoteing stuff from this guys manifesto even tho it is written by a crazy man it re writes Islamic history and current events useing snip from articles and book . I am sure noone will directly quote out of it but they will quote the sources he used as reference and I will be “islam motivated hiter ” all over again or someone needs to correct each of his points
July 25th, 2011 at 3:34 am
@mp11
That’s the issue isn’t it though… After such a statement basically holding 1.5b Muslims responsible for 9/11 or at the very least suspicious because of their association, why is it now unfair to assign at least partial guilt to Pamela Geller for the attack on Norway? And there is a fundemental difference here: 1.5b Muslims are being placed under suspicion simply because they belonged to the same general faith/ideology, but Geller and Spencer are being mentioned specifically in the manifesto of Breivik. In their case, it goes far beyond guilt by association to an extreme-right ideology. What if this bomber had similarly quoted out of Reza Aslan’s books, or Norman Finkelstein’s books, or even out of articles from Loonwatch? Or had shown favorable support for CAIR? What would be Geller’s and Spencer’s reaction then? Would they offer the same courtesy and distinction to their opponents as they’re now asking for? And if the past is any indication, I think we already know the answer to that…
And btw, if you’ve been Atlas Shrugs lately you’ll see many more people going there and challenging Geller and her posters. Just see the comments from her latest thread. Its nice to see, but ultimately its really sad and shameful that it took 84 innocent Norwegien lives for people to finally see exactly where hate mongering of any kind can end…
July 25th, 2011 at 4:19 am
Strange that Atlas Drugs would not take my comment ;-(
I thought comparing Pam to a historical figure would have been popular.
Like Lady MacBeth I wondered has she been spending lots of time washing her hands.
July 25th, 2011 at 4:25 am
Yeah I couldn’t comment either lol guess if there was any time to limit comments on Atlas Shrugs, now would be it…
July 25th, 2011 at 4:46 am
WEBDAWAH WRITES
“Anders does not hate Norwegians, nor does he hate Norway. He hates that (sic) fact that people who don’t share his cultural values are allowed to emigrate into his country, and intended to punish the people whose policies bring about such assault to his xenophobia and bigotry.
At the end of the day, he still hates Muslims and the people left of his politics. Not one more than the other. Almost identical to how Osama bin Laden went “Loon.” His initial criticisms were for the Saudi government… and the rest is history.”
Anders bitterly hates Norwegians for tolerating and fostering Moslem immigration into Norway, which to his mind is a crime. This rampage which killed over 80 Norwegians was a murderous hate crime against his own people-who by and large support Norway’s immigration policies toward Moslems (policies ruining Norwegian values and culture).
July 25th, 2011 at 5:29 am
@ApolloBleeps
Why don’t you take up his mantle and finish what he started…you know the whole ‘killing Norwegians who are ruining our cultural values thing’. I’m sure he could use a partner in the asylum he’ll be in for the next 21 years or so and would only be too pleased to have a like-minded fool like you to be his in-house senorita.
To sane, rational and thoughtful people (obviously trash-talking redneck filth like you need not apply) a person who butchers people in bomb attacks and shootouts is a much bigger threat to ‘Norwegian values and culture’ than the long-debunked myth of ‘Sharia’, halal tomatoe soup, the Eurabia mythology and the like.
But don’t let facts get in the way your lowly cockroach’s view of the world please.
Toodles
July 25th, 2011 at 6:42 am
isherif
Thanks. I try to do my best. Good to see you around
July 25th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Sir David@
They probably can’t read too good, they thought you compared her to a Hysterical figure!
July 25th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Al-Qaeda’s Christian mirror
By Pepe Escobar
Western progressives must be on red alert. Taboos will have to be smashed – especially by identifying the contorted but most of the time crude strategies employed by ultra-right Christian fundamentalism and Zionists to foment Islamophobia in the West.
For instance, both Islamophobes and hardcore Zionists see the Israeli subjugation of Palestine as Israel defending itself in a clash of civilizations. Model disciple Breivik hails notorious American Islamophobes such as Pam Geller and Daniel Pipes as much as he abhors Norwegian support for an independent, sovereign Palestinian state.
read more here
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Global_Economy/MG26Dj04.html
July 25th, 2011 at 7:23 am
On Pamela Geller, Robert Spencer, and Other Jihadists
By Jeffrey Goldberg Jul 25 2011,
I’m away, and it’s hard to keep up with the news, but it seems as if my arch-nemesis Pamela Geller is in a bit of a pickle because she and her partner-in-Muslim-bashing, Robert Spencer, were favorites of the Norway killer. (Btw, I call her my arch-nemesis, but I’m grateful to her for calling me what I believe to be the best epithet ever, “Jewicidal Jihadi.” Also, “Jihad Jeffro.” All I’ve ever come up with to describe her is “shrieking bigot,” which doesn’t have the same power, or alliterative quality.) Here’s The Times on Geller, and Geller’s delightful response:
Mr. Breivik’s declaration did not name Mr. Kaczynski or acknowledge the numerous passages copied from the Unabomber’s 1995 manifesto, in which the Norwegian substituted “multiculturalists” or “cultural Marxists” for Mr. Kaczynski’s “leftists” and made other small wording changes.
By contrast, he quoted the American and European counterjihad writers by name, notably Mr. Spencer, author of 10 books, including “Islam Unveiled” and “The Truth About Muhammad.”
Mr. Breivik frequently cited another blog, Atlas Shrugs, and recommended the Gates of Vienna among Web sites. Pamela Geller, an outspoken critic of Islam who runs Atlas Shrugs, wrote on her blog Sunday that any assertion that she or other antijihad writers bore any responsibility for Mr. Breivik’s actions was “ridiculous.”
“If anyone incited him to violence, it was Islamic supremacists,” she wrote.
Goldblog’s position: Geller is a hatemonger, but she didn’t pull the trigger. Free speech means free speech. But she should be aware now that violent people look to her for guidance, and she should write with that in mind. Which brings me to the subject of the Murfreesboro, Tennessee, mosque, the new “Ground Zero mosque” controversy. People like Herman Cain, who vilify this mosque (and other mosques) should think carefully about the ways in which their words are heard. I worry about a violent reaction to the Tennessee mosque more than I worry about any other terrorism target in America. More on this later, when I have better access to the Web.
read more here
http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/07/on-pamela-geller-robert-spencer-and-other-jihadists/242474/
July 25th, 2011 at 7:28 am
@safak – and sad to say that some thought its was a possibility. I though it would be a car bomb at a mosque in the UK planted by the EDL. We have the elements of “Muslims” and also “Leftists” as the enemy, the “Other,” especially “Muslims.” What compounds the notion of “Other” is that there are Western security and intelligence agencies that appear to treat “Muslims” as “Other” and the “Dangerous Other.”
Muslims can be Norwegians to and don’t believe ANY poster here than wants to continue the Anders Breivik mentality that “Muslims are outsiders.”
I say that, as I complained in the past, Europol was part of the problem, as well as other Western security and intelligence, that there is WAY too much focus on “Islamists and jihadists” and an enormous amount of manpower and resources devoted to the almost non-existent “threat from jihadists.” In the Dutch intelligence and security agencies, the Theo van Gogh murder is still the exploited poster-child for “jihad in the Netherlands.” Dutch counter terrorism appears to be Islamophobic and regard religious behavior as “radicalization.”
Manpower and resources need to be devoted to radical right terrorism – and we can partly blame Europol and other security and intelligence agencies for “allowing” the mass murder in Norway.
Turkish woman among the missing in Norway – http://www.todayszaman.com/news-251551-turkish-woman-missing-in-brutal-terrorist-attacks-in-norway-that-killed-93.html
July 25th, 2011 at 7:32 am
Blogging Hate Spiegel.de
Anders Breivik’s Roots in Right-Wing Populism
By Frank Patalong
He was a prolific contributor to extremist blogs and had ties to right-wing populists: The murderer from Norway did not, it would seem, come out of nowhere. Rather, he had found an ideological home among those seeking to cleanse Europe of Islam and multi-culturalism. They are seeking to distance themselves.
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It also didn’t take long for those behind many of the sites carrying those blogs and writings to go on the defensive. They immediately tried to distance themselves — not, of course, from the nationalist, anti-Islam tone, but from the methods used.
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Stridently Anti-Muslim
Such blogs provide a window into a strange scene: pro-Western, exceedingly pro-American and friendly to Israel — but extremely anti-Muslim, aggressively Christian and openly hostile to everything which is liberal, leftist, multi-cultural or internationalist. It is a “patriotic-nationalist” scene which detests the Nazis but is sympathetic — to the point of maintaining informal contacts — to the Tea Party Movement in the US, to the right-wing populist Freedom Party of Austria, to the right-wing football fan group known as the Casuals and to the stridently anti-Muslim English Defence League.
It is a scene which is considered to be militant and ultra-right wing, but which has in the past cooperated with the Jewish Defense League (JDL), a group which has been branded a terrorist organization in the US. Such a connection would be unthinkable for neo-Nazi groups. Indeed, the JDL has even joined demonstrations held by the English Defence League — a surprising alliance perhaps, but the crossover is clear: Islam is the enemy.
A central tenant of the writings coming out of this scene is that Muslims are currently in the process of taking over Europe with a “demographic Jihad.” They use statistics, historical references and precarious prognostications in an effort to feed the extreme right with an intellectual-sounding foundation for their hatred of foreigners. The scene is extremely well networked and growing rapidly. Breivik himself claims to have participated in the creation of a Norwegian chapter of the English Defence League, called the Norwegian Defence League.
Both groups sought to distance themselves from Breivik on Sunday. “We can categorically state that there has never been any official contact between (Breivik) and the EDL,” read a statement on the EDL website.
Searching for a Way into the Mainstream
Nothing is as important to the far-right as establishing a respectable presence throughout Europe. Members see themselves as “anti-Jihad,” a counter balance. They are striving for attention in the media, on the streets and in parliaments. Breivik himself was engaged in Norway’s right-wing party the Fremskrittspartiet, or the Progress Party. They must be relieved that he left the party early on.
According to some evidence, the suspect shifted his political activities some nine years ago to the written word and subversive sources. For a number of years he has been sprinkling his views around right-wing blogs. On Saturday Breivik’s web presence — in particular his ideological proximity to one of the biggest stars of the right-wing scene — sparked a bizarre conflict. A far-right blog called LittleGreenFootball, known simply as LGF to insiders, started a rumour that Breivik was none other than the well-known rightist blogger “Fjordman.”
The blogger, known for his radical, elegantly formulated essays against Muslims, liberals and multi-culturalism, has since made a number of postings denying the rumor. Since then web chatter has focused on how, as an arsonist, he was “only” Breivik’s inspiration.
Fjordman, the Intellectual Stooge
There are almost no arguments to disprove this claim, thanks to Breivik’s activities. Already in 2009 Breivik, whose email address was year2083@gmail.com, directly contacted Fjordman in hopes of interesting him in what was then a 1,100-page document outlining his ideology. But Fjordman was reportedly unmoved because it offered nothing to differentiate itself “from all the others,” and contained nothing that Fjordman hadn’t already heard “at the pub.”
But the top blogger has missed something. Though it may have been without his consent, as Breivik’s most-quoted source, Fjordman is the most important co-author of the polemic.
read more here
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,776413,00.html
July 25th, 2011 at 7:34 am
@ Apollo Speaks
If his rage was towards Norwegians as a whole, he would not be political. He would not aim his anger at the left. The left is not the whole of Norway… obviously.
July 25th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Wilders describes suspect as ‘violent and sick’
PETER CLUSKEY in The Hague
DUTCH REACTION: GEERT Wilders, one of Europe’s most high-profile right-wing political leaders, attempted last night to distance himself from Anders Behring Breivik, describing the man arrested for the twin attacks in Norway as “violent and sick”.
A 1,500-page document which appears to have been written by Breivik makes several complimentary references to Mr Wilders and his Freedom Party (PVV) whose aggressive anti-Muslim stance propelled it to third-largest political party in the Netherlands after the 2010 general election.
The PVV supports Holland’s minority Liberal-Christian Democrat coalition – whose government agenda includes a ban on the burqa, expected to come into effect in 2012, a 50 per cent cut in non-western immigration, and stronger police powers.
In the document, written under the name Anders Berwick, Breivik quotes Mr Wilders several times and is particularly supportive of Wilders’s controversial 2008 film, Fitna – Arabic for “dissention” – which mixes Koranic verse with video footage of extremist attacks.
The 17-minute-long film was one of the issues at the centre of a court case earlier this month in which Mr Wilders was cleared of inciting hatred against Muslims.
Despite the growing popularity of Mr Wilders and the PVV, Breivik described the Netherlands as a country which he believed would fall victim to “Islamic colonisation”, forecasting that 55 per cent of the population would be Muslim by 2070, leading ultimately to Sharia law.
And on the conservative Norwegian website, Minerva , he wrote that while the Tories in the UK had lost their credibility, Mr Wilders and the PVV remained among the few parties that could “truly claim to be conservative parties in their whole culture”.
Despite such praise, however, Mr Wilders yesterday joined the Dutch prime minister, Mark Rutte, and Queen Beatrix who visited Norway in June, in condemning the attacks alleged to have been carried out by the 32-year-old Norwegian.
Writing on a news website, Mr Wilders said the PVV “abhors all that Breivik represents and has done”.
And on Twitter he described the attacks as “awful”, and said all of those killed or injured had been “innocent victims”, and described the perpetrator as “a violent and sick character”.
read more here
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2011/0725/1224301315318.html
July 25th, 2011 at 9:16 am
How Islamic inventors changed the world http://www.1001inventions.com That is a bunch of BULLSH#T. I think you should fill out a application at Pam Geller website and Spencer site. I am sure she need a personal ass-sistant / B@tt kisser.
Pam and Spencer are as guilty as the man that did it. There daily rants on how muslim are takeing over how Islam is evil how everything say a dog was hit by a car in middle of KKK Mississippi is Islam muslims fault. She did not pull the trigger but she was the person responsible for putting idea into this person head and spinning anything into a anti muslim rant I want quote her here just go to her site and look ( make it quick anti muslim loon are in damage control mode and may change it) There is Freedom of Speech but your Freedom stops when it steps on someone else.
On the opening day of the 1998 baseball season, a group of protesters burned a three-foot-tall model of the Cleveland Indians’ mascot outside the ballpark. They said they were expressing their belief that using the mascot was racist, and they believed the First Amendment gave them that right. The police who arrested them didn’t see it that way.
The Ohio Supreme Court ruled that the protesters did have a right to burn the model, but it agreed with the police that the arrests were justified because the fire threatened the public’s safety.
Burning an effigy – an object that bears someone’s likeness – is by itself protected by the First Amendment, the court said, but when it’s burned in a place where people could get hurt, the government has the right to stop the protest.
The point? Free speech is protected, but not when it might threaten someone’s safety.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Actually, watching this story unfold for days, CBS, MSN, Faux, Commie News Net, UK News, etc were ALL on ‘damage control.’
July 25th, 2011 at 9:32 am
example of a man “falsely shouting fire in a theater and causing a panic.”
July 25th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Interesting piece up on Slate now about Loony Pam:
The American Anti-Muslim Blogger Who Influenced Anders Behring Breivik:
If Muslims are responsible for Islamic terrorism, are Muslim-bashers responsible for the massacre in Norway?
http://www.slate.com/id/2299967
July 25th, 2011 at 9:37 am
EVERYBODY’S DAD (not mine)
Blockhead! No one, not even Webdawah, misunderstood my meaning.
Norway’s immigration policies toward Moslems, which to Anders’ way of thinking is ruining Norwegian society and culture, is a hateful and heinous crime in his mind which Norwegians deserve to be horribly punished for as a lesson to wake them up. Consequently, he took out his rage against Norway by killing Norwegian citizens en masse.
July 25th, 2011 at 9:45 am
WEBDAWAH
Norway is a center-left socialist country. Anders hates his country and its people (the vast majority) for being center-left. In short, his massacre of 80+ Norwegian citizens (mostly young people) is a hate crime against his country and race. Naturally he dosn’t hate those Norwegians who share his rage against his countrymen. But these radicals are small in number, despised and powerless.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
HOW ARE SPENCER AND GELLER RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY FOR THE ATROCITY IN NORWAY?
Where does Spencer or Geller say that the Norwegian people deserve the punishment of Norwegian on Norwegian mass murder as a lesson for being soft on Moslem immigration and Western values? They’re no more to blame for those deaths than Moslems who renounce political Islam and the violent atrocities and crimes of Mohammed are at fault for jihadist attacks.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Hey Apollo, you’re clueless! Check out the latest NYT where your beloved Spencer and Geller take no responsiblity for their fan’s actions and instead, still are blaming Muslims! and you have the nerve to defend these loons!
If you call defending oneself “crimes” of our Prophet (pbuh), then you’re clueless about that too!
July 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Breivik’s Manifesto on Islam vs. “Christendom” as “Demographic Warfare”
by Sarah Posner
Religion Dispatches
(Breivik also cites, quotes, and copies from Horowitz’s Front Page magazine, as well as other American anti-Muslim writing, in his manifesto.)
I’m not saying, of course, that Santorum advocates terrorism or intends violence. But, as Scott Shane writes at the Times today, Breivik’s manifesto has placed attention squarely on many of the American Islamphobes he expresses admiration for, or quotes extensively from. Two, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer, protest too much that their agitation is to blame, with Geller asserting, “If anyone incited him to violence, it was Islamic supremacists.”
The idea that Europe has given in to Islam, and has already been or is at risk of being “Islamicized,” due to liberals’ failure to recognize a threat, is a common Islamophobic trope. At the Conservative Political Action Conference in February, a question from a student from the group Youth for Western Civilization at Liberty University at a panel titled “The Shari’ah Challenge to the West,” was taken as a serious line of inquiry: “Are we going to see a rise of Islamic Europe, and America just sits there on its own… are we actually going to win?”
read more here
http://www.religiondispatches.org/dispatches/sarahposner/4911/breivik's_manifesto_on_islam_vs._%22christendom%22_as_%22demographic_warfare%22/
July 25th, 2011 at 10:36 am
JD
Are you totally blind or just bat shit crazy? How did you get it in your thick head that I exonerated Geller?
Go back to the Loony Bin, you prize azz
July 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I’m no lawyer, but I do remember the successful lawsuit the Southern Poverty Law Center brought against a Klan group, whose hate speech brought about an assault on motorists driving past their compound, on a public highway. Bankrupted and put ‘em out of business, as i recall. I suspect the hatemongers, in this instance, have exposed themselves to serious civil damages, inasmuch as the internet has made hate a global commodity.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Anders Behring Breivik is a by-product of pro-Israeli zionist propaganda machine (Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Bat Ye’or, Fjordman, …)
Zionist propaganda machine 1 – Norwegian democracy 0
July 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@ Apollo Speaks
If Anders had quoted the Qur’an once in his long manifesto, Spencer, and Geller would have blamed it on Islam. If the guy had been a Muslim, they would have blamed it on Islam.
Guess what? The guy referenced Geller, and Spencer. They own him.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
@ApolloSpeaks
Kindly do not stigmatize people with mental disorders by calling Breivik “psychotic.” He has no history of mental illness and there is no suggestion that he had breakdown and went on a rampage. His actions were the cold, deliberate and carefully calculated actions of a right-wing Christian terrorist who hated both Islam and liberals with equal fervor. His video he made just before his acts of terror is still widely available on the Internet, although YouTube has taken it down. In it he calls for a “Christian Crusade” against Islam in Europe that will be a “bloodbath” that will make WWWII look like a “picnic.” “KILLER MORE ANTI-NORWEGIAN THAN ANTI-MOSLEM,” as you stated is simply a falsehood. The terror in Norway is the direct result of years of right-wing hate speech by politicians and by the Islamophobe industry run by Spencer, Geller and their ilk and Geert Wilders and Herman Cain and the English Defense League and a host of other villains. They might as well have pulled the trigger themselves. Never forget that Joseph Goebbels, Reich Propaganda Minister, was one of Hitler’s closest advisers and one of the chief architects of the Holocaust, although he never actually did any of the hands on dirty work himself. The propagandists are just as guilty as the murderers for having intentionally incited the violence.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am
It is hoped everyone understands that “islamisation” and “Eurabia” are myths…there is NO truth to them. There is NO “islamiation” of Europe, the Netherlands, America or Western civilization.
http://freedom.yellow-stars.com/islam.europe.NL.htm
July 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
We need to be careful in blaming the BNP EDL, Pamela Gellar or Robert Spencer for the Norweigan Atrocity. Thier twisted unsubstantiated hate ideology does not influence anybody but thier racist counterparts as normal people see them as loons with mental health issues. Their inability to live normal lives without the demons within them showing their faces will not dissapear overnight. If it can be proved that all of the above were connected to the shooter, all of the above need to be on the Governments Proscribed List of Extremist Loony’s, which i can assure you will be very, very, soon.
July 25th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
ApolloShrieks:
“HOW ARE SPENCER AND GELLER RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY FOR THE ATROCITY IN NORWAY?”
Well, they both contributed very significantly to his anti-Muslim worldview (incidentally, you share many of his opinions). The loon was clear about the aforementioned and the proof is incontrovertible. I don’t think any honest person can deny that.
July 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
ROTHWELL
I stand corrected. The word I should have used is psycho not “psychotic.” A man poisoned with deadly hatred against his own people because he believes they’re dangerously asleep to a lethal enemy within hell bent on destroying Norwegian culture in particular, and Western/Christrian civilization in general. A man driven to mass murdering his fellow citizens because he refuses any longer to be ignored, and wants their full undivided attention and that of the world. That I believe sums up this psycho. NO?
July 25th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
@apollo
whenever I want to get someones attention I don’t go on mass murder sprees.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
ApolloShrieks
“A man poisoned with deadly hatred against his own people because he believes they’re dangerously asleep to a lethal enemy within hell bent on destroying Norwegian culture in particular, and Western/Christrian civilization in general…”
He believes in that nonsense because of the influence of Islamophobic hatemongers, Spencer and Geller included. This is discernable in Breivik’s own writings. In many ways, Spencer and Geller are like Qutb or Anwar al-Awlaki since they’re all an inspiration to terrorists.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
NASSIRH
No doubt that Breivik reads Spencer and Geller. No doubt bin Ladin read the Koran and Hadith. No doubt that Breivik’s world view is influenced by Spencer and Geller as is mine. But whereas bin Ladin was acting on the violent words, deeds, and predatory principles of the Prophet Spencer and Geller are civilized people (both religious humanists) with a peaceful liberal democratic outlook who’ve neither killed nor harmed anyone to advance their cause. To be sure some of Breivik’s thinking can be traced back to them, but not his murderous rage. The divide between them is so great you could drive Obama’s budget through it.
July 25th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
“A man driven to mass murdering his fellow citizens because he refuses any longer to be ignored, and wants their full undivided attention and that of the world. That I believe sums up this psycho. NO?”
If the rabid anti-muslim ideology shared by yourself, Breivik, Spencer etc are merely delusions, then yes he is psychotic. He just finally acted on those delusions. Only a matter of time before other “anti-jihad freedom fighters” will.
July 25th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Well, having read some of Breivik’s book, I don’t think that people like Spencer and Geller are the main problem here.
IF Brevik got radicalized via the internet, his main inspiration is surely norwegian loonblogger “Fjordman” (some websites have claimed that Fjordman and Breivik is the same person, but that is not true).
Breivik about Fjordman (page 1380):
But that doesn’t let Spencer etc. completely off the hook, they are still part of an eco-system of hate, they are loons feeding uberloons like Fjordman. And Fjordman may very well be Breivik’s main inspiration.
July 25th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
ROB
So you think that Breivik is the beginning of an international trend? That we can now expect “anti-Moslem” Brits to mass murder Brits; “anti-Moslem” French to mass murder French; “anti-Moslem” Americans to mass murder Americans all because their not sufficiently “anti-Moslem” and don’t see the peril? If this happens Islamists can take a holiday from jihad.
July 25th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
ROB
So you think that Breivik is the beginning of an international trend? That we can now expect “anti-Moslem” Brits to mass murder Brits; “anti-Moslem” French to mass murder French; “anti-Moslem” Americans to mass murder Americans all because their not sufficiently “anti-Moslem” and don’t see the peril? If this happens Islamists can take a holiday from jihad.
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July 25th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
FBI should start questioning him and checking his fan mail to find more clues and see if any of his other fans are trying to replicate attacks in US or other places.
July 25th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
I don’t agree with or approve of Spencer’s message in any way, but positing that he and his ilk are “responsible” for what happened in Norway is just an irresponsible claim. Did they influence Breivik’s views? Undoubtedly. That’s obviously a problem in its own right, but I feel like these “connections” are just some crazy dude citing a couple other crazy dudes. It’s certainly fucked up, but I’d hesitate to actually blame Geller and Spencer for what happened in Norway.
July 25th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
@apollo
Fine, so let Spencer and Geller stop blaming Imams in mosques who incite hatred against the West. Hey, they’re not saying “Kill all Westerners”, they’re perfectly civilized people who simply point out the issues in the West. It’s not their fault if someone blows himself up somewhere, right?
Its a very simple logic: if you paint a bull’s eye on someone’s back, eventually somebody else will take the shot. Spencer and co. have been painting that bull’s eye on the Muslims back for almost a decade, and recently on the left’s back. It may have been Breivik who pulled the trigger, but clearly it was Spencer and co. who aimed it.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:03 pm
Using ApolloShrieks superb logic, “jihadists” are more anti-Muslim than anti-American because most of those they kill are Muslims. Or as ApolloShrieks would put it, “JIHADISTS MORE ANTI-MOSLEM THAN ANTI-AMERICAN!”
Breivik was clear about his motivations, regardless of how many desperate arguments loons use to defend their precious Islamophobia.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
@apollo
spencer and geller peaceful I call bullshit, on that what part of “nuke mecca” is peaceful, or is promoting a video of a girl calling for pakistan to be wiped off the map what you were talking about when you said peaceful please tell me because I don’t remember promoting nuclear annihilations of entire cities part of being promoting world peace.
July 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Apollo I feel you sum your self up perfectly in the following:
“No doubt that Breivik reads Spencer and Geller. No doubt bin Ladin read the Koran and Hadith. No doubt that Breivik’s world view is influenced by Spencer and Geller as is mine. But whereas bin Ladin was acting on the violent words, deeds, and predatory principles of the Prophet Spencer and Geller are civilized people (both religious humanists) with a peaceful liberal democratic outlook who’ve neither killed nor harmed anyone to advance their cause. To be sure some of Breivik’s thinking can be traced back to them, but not his murderous rage. The divide between them is so great you could drive Obama’s budget through it.”
Let’s do an autopsy…
Apart from the funny bit about Spencer and Geller being civilized people this is odd. First of all, you are quite right to say that Spencer and Geller are very similar to Bin Ladan; Bin Ladan never killed anyone that he bragged about, he was merely a spokesman and source of material, just like Spencer and Geller can safely sit there and preach, just as Bin Ladan safely sat in a house for years. Sir David likens them to Lady Macbeth; they can wash their hands as much as they like but that spot is still there.
Secondly, the stuff about the Prophet; sure someone can take violent stuff from it and in fact Breivik goes *at length* in his writing to ‘prove’ that what he does is in line with Christian principles. All it proves is that you can get nutters anywhere and from anything; I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again but I could probably draw some hate stuff out of Harry Potter and start a cult on it. If the job fails I might just do that…
Thirdly, Breivik was very much acting on the words of people like Spencer and Geller (who as has been shown calls for the nuking of Mecca for example). They call for things like the expulsion of Muslims (one of his main goals), they pardon mass murderers in Serbia, they preach hate… anyone reading the comments section of these peoples sites can see what sort of thing this produces. Don’t BS me. Going back to Bin Laden; Bin Laden was never there directing people, he just provided material.
Also, I think that both Spencer and Geller will love that you called them liberals…
July 26th, 2011 at 7:31 am
@safak
You’re assuming that Breivik lived in a vacuum in which he only read/was influenced by Spencer, Geller, and Co.. That’s clearly not what happened, nor was anti-Muslim sentiment his only motivation for the attacks. He obviously had a lot of other things on his mind. As I said before, Spencer and Geller are certainly voices that contributed to Breivik’s beliefs, but holding them “responsible” for what happened in Norway is irresponsible and ignores reality.
July 26th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Breivik says that nine years he has worked in the piece. In their own words was his dissatisfaction with the Norwegian government through the support of his country to the NATO bombing during the Kosovo war. Breivik was against it because “our Serbian brothers Islam wanted to expel the Albanian Muslims to reduce Albania ‘. His greatest enemy is the Western collaborators who open the door for islam.Deze offender has turned against his own people, government and country turned because of the multicultural society in which he had leven.Ik hate Muslims. I have many Muslim friends had. This does not mean I accept an Islamic presence in Europe. Muslims who in 2020 not 100 percent have changed will be deported when we took power. “That the war against Islam by a psychopath violently abused is disgusting and a slap in the face of the global anti-Islamic movement. Writes that PVV leader Geert Wilders released a statement on the attacks in Norway. We believe in the power of the ballot box and the wisdom of the voter. Not bombs and guns. “” We fight for a democratic and nonviolent means against the further Islamisation of society and will continue to do, “continues the PVV leader.
July 26th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Loon Watch,
This Islamophobic, Israeli American based in New York, called Daniel Greenfield, who runs the blog called “Sultan Knish” should be featured by you. He has written this piece defending Robert Spencer, just look at the lies, and check his blog for more distortions, total fibs, fabricated nonsense and Islamophobia.
In this piece, he is saying Brievik was actually inspired by Jihadists.
In Defense of Robert Spencer
http://www.aina.org/news/20110726100145.htm
Not only did Breivik not target Muslims, but he considered collaborating with Muslim terrorists.
“An alliance with the Jihadists might prove beneficial to both parties,” Breivik wrote. “We both share one common goal.”
Breivik dreamed of obtaining WMDs from jihadi terrorist groups for use against European targets. And emphasized that, “Knights Templar do not intend to persecute devout Muslims or enslave them under puppet leaders in their own Islamic countries like today’s EU/US leaders are doing.”
Rather than being driven by Islamophobia, Breivik was fantasizing about collaborating in mass murder with the same Salafi terrorist groups that researchers like Robert Spencer have worked so hard to expose.
Had Breivik succeeded in contacting jihadist groups and arranging for a transfer of WMDs, then the very people that the media is now damning might have proved vital in exposing the threat.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Zach, who knows what’s in the mind of a terrorist and no one is saying that Geller & Spencer are DIRECTLY responsible for killing. Ofcourse Anders is responsible but that doesn’t mean Spencer and Geller are excused for not contributing like you said. From Anders manifesto, it is obvious that Anders was influenced by what Spencer said which confirmed his reasons for hating on Muslims that caused him to commit terrorism. Thus, Spencer and his ilk are INDIRECTLY responsible.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Khushboo,
That’s fair, but I take issue with Loonwatch when they claims that “[Spencer and Geller's] intolerant anti-Muslim attitude and constant fear-mongering is responsible for the horrible terrorist attack that occurred in Norway.” They qualify this in no way and don’t even acknowledge the possibility that Breivik’s motives were well beyond his anti-Islamic sentiment.
Luckily for us, we actually do have an idea of what’s in the mind of a terrorist, seeing as he left us a manifesto. It does not exclusively cite Spencer and Geller, nor does it exclusively deal with his anti-Muslim beliefs. Loonwatch should have the integrity to clarify the point that Spencer and Geller are “responsible” for what happened only in so much as they influenced Breivik’s opinions on Islam and the left. To claim otherwise is irresponsible.
Spencer and Geller’s words speak for themselves. They are full of hate and falsities. We shouldn’t have to pin the murder of innocent people on them in order to bring this fact to light.
July 26th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
I think that Spencer’s and Geller’s sites should be under surveillance due to many threats made against Muslims by the crazies. I wouldn’t be surprised if one or more of them ended up helping out Anders. We are now hearing that Anders did not work alone. FBI/CIA should look into these hate sites.
July 26th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
@Zach
Of course, I’m not saying they’re responsible. But I do take issue with the hypocrisy of constant blaming of Muslims with even the most vague and random connetions, and downplaying such obvious connections as mere coincidence when its the loons themselves. Think of it this way, if Breivik was a Muslim bomber who quoted out of Muslim writers such as Reza Aslan and frequently visited Loonwatch, what would have been the reaction then? Do you think they would have extended this courtesy of drawing a distinction? I highly doubt that…
July 26th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
@safak
knowing them islamaphobes would want a senate investegation on this site along with people who so much as glanced at it and with people like peter king and his show trials yielding results in making people hate muslims and those who sympathize with them it would probably be accommodated.
July 27th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Spencer et al are the radical Hate-preachers, who provided the motivating ideology in order to put this terrorist on the escalator towards his actions.
The ideology is Kulturkampf i.e. Culture Wars.