Not all anti-Muslim loons are non-Muslims. Indeed, there are a handful of loons that are in fact self-hating Muslims. Case in point: Asra Nomani.
(I’ve written about her before, so I’ll skip introducing her.)
Nomani dons the mantle of a “moderate, progressive, and liberal” Muslim, yet she consistently takes the side of right-wing, uber-conservative loons against Muslims. It is faux progressives like her who have tarnished the image of progressivism in much of the Muslim world.
Over the years, Asra Nomani has sided with extreme right-wingers and Islamophobes against Muslims time and time again. At first, her absurd views had a lot of shock value. Now, they’re just plain predictable. So, it’s no surprise that Ms. Nomani has taken the side of Lowe’s, which pulled its advertisements from TLC’s All-American Muslim after Islamophobes sent them letters of protest. The Islamophobes complained that the show only showed regular Muslims instead of Terrorist Muslims (since of course all Muslims are Terrorists).
Asra Nomani’s article, like her other work, is intellectually bereft. The blurb to her article says:
Another advertiser pulled out of TLC’s All-American Muslim—but it’s not because the company is ‘Islamophobic.’ It’s simply a terrible program, writes Asra Q. Nomani.
The only problem with this, the entire premise of her article, is that neither Lowe’s or Kayak pulled out because the show is “a terrible program.”
Nomani writes (emphasis is mine):
Lowe’s, the national chain, did the right thing in pulling its advertising from the series. The company said it killed advertising from the show because it had become too controversial, but there is another legitimate reason the company could have given for yanking its advertising: it’s bad TV.
It “could have given” this “legitimate reason” to yank its advertisement, but it didn’t. It pulled the advertisement because Islamophobes emailed them to do so. Even their cover-excuse wasn’t that the show was “bad TV” but that “it had become too controversial” as Nomani’s own words attest to.
How did Lowe’s do “the right thing” if they pulled the show for the wrong reason, i.e. cowing to anti-Muslim bigotry? To understand this point, imagine for instance if Lowe’s pulled its ads from CNN’s Black in America not because it was “bad TV” but because a bunch of white racists emailed them complaining that the show portrayed blacks too sympathetically? That it only showed regular black people instead of murderers and rapists? If Lowe’s succumbed to this bigotry by yanking its ads from Black in America, would Asra Nomani applaud this action (regardless of the show’s quality)?
The quality of All-American Muslim is irrelevant, because the reason advertisers pulled out had nothing to do with that, but everything to do with the fact that Islamophobes lost their minds that a show would show normal Muslims on television.
Asra Nomani’s whole argument is based on three words she slipped into her writing: “could have given.” Except it didn’t.
True, Nomani was more likely referring to Kayak’s lame excuse for pulling its advertisement (see my earlier article about Kayak’s “apology”); she writes:
Now, Kayak, an Internet travel company, announced that it too is pulling its advertising. Robert Birge, chief marketing officer at Kayak, put it as plain as it gets: “…I watched the first two episodes,” he wrote in a letter to customers, titled “We Handled This Poorly.” “Mostly, I just thought the show sucked.”
But here again, Asra Nomani misleads the reader. Robert Birge, the Kayak executive, does mention that he thought the show sucks, but the bulk of his explanation is about how the show became a “lightning rod” and how TLC supposedly didn’t inform Kayak about this. Birge wrote:
When we decided to give our money to TLC for this program, we deemed the show a worthy topic. When we received angry emails regarding our decision to advertise, I looked into the show more thoroughly.
The first thing I discovered was that TLC was not upfront with us about the nature of this show. As I said, it’s a worthy topic, but any reasonable person would know that this topic is a particular lightning rod. We believe TLC went out of their way to pick a fight on this, and they didn’t let us know their intentions. That’s not a business practice that generally gets repeat business from us. I also believe that it did this subject a grave disservice. Sadly, TLC is now enjoying the attention from this controversy.
So, after the show received “angry emails” from Islamophobes, they then looked into the show and pulled it because TLC supposedly hadn’t informed them that the show would be controversial. In other words, their explanation is very similar to that given by Lowe’s.
In the concluding sentence of the “apology”, Birge writes:
Based on our dealings with TLC and the simple assessment of the show, I decided we should put our money elsewhere.
Even if we say the decision was partially due to the “controversy” issue and party due to the show “sucking”, does Asra Nomani not see the problem that the show was pulled only after Kayak received “angry emails” from Islamophobes? Again, how would we feel about Kayak if it pulled its ads from Black in America after receiving “hate mail” from Neo-Nazi groups? Any lame excuses such as the show was “too controversial” or that “it sucked” would not be taken seriously.
Asra Nomani goes on:
To me, the issue of Islam-bashing has become a straw man in this debate. This isn’t a referendum on whether a person hates on Islam or not. It’s about TV—and what makes for good TV and what doesn’t. For example, I made it through only two episodes of TLC’s Toddlers and Tiaras, because how many times can we watch Princess Penelope throw a temper tantrum? If Lowe’s or Kayak didn’t advertise there, would we argue that they were trashing prissy little girls and their mom? No, we’d say that they don’t want to spend their ad dollars on bad TV.
TLC’s Toddlers and Tiaras does receive advertisements, even if you and I agree “it sucks.” Has Nomani never flipped through channels on television and watched a reality show? The vast majority of them suck, but even still they are able to garner advertisements. Also, since when did companies restrict advertisements to shows they themselves personally watch?
The problem is that All-American Muslim is being singled out and unable to hold some advertisers because the show is about Muslims. Had these companies pulled out from the show on their own volition due to ratings–and not immediately after Islamophobes demanded them to–nobody would be crying foul. So, in reality, it is Asra Nomani who is raising a straw man argument: again, if it had really been about the show sucking and its ratings tanking, then nary a Muslim or liberal would protest.
Asra Nomani’s article blares:
To me, the issue of Islam-bashing has become a straw man in this debate. It’s about TV.
This assessment reflects how vacuous Asra Nomani truly is (I see absolutely nothing intellectually stimulating ever coming from this woman): it’s not about T.V. at all–it is all about Islam-bashing. The show was pulled because Islamophobes protested it and not because the show “sucks.” This is exactly the reason why in my earlier article about Kayak’s “apology” and this one, I have not even tried to defend the show’s quality, because that subjective opinion is simply irrelevant. But if you want to go down that path, I can safely say that there exists no dearth of sucky programs on the boob tube, all of which seem to attract and hold advertisers just fine.
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In my previous article about Asra Nomani, written almost exactly one year ago, I mentioned how she always feels compelled to inject herself into all of her articles:
Notice how she prefaces her statement with “I am Muslim.” Well then, you must automatically be a spokesperson for Muslims everywhere, and whatever you say about Islam and Muslims must be true. You are, after all, a real life Muslim! In fact, Asra Nomani can hardly ever write an article or argue a point without injecting herself into it, such is her self-absorbed nature.
Lo and behold, the very first words of her article about All-American Muslim:
As a real-life American Muslim…
And elsewhere:
As an American Muslim consumer…
And still elsewhere:
…I’m Muslim…
We get it! You are a real life, living, breathing Muslim! Well then, you must be an expert on everything about Islam and Muslims.
Asra Nomani keeps mentioning that she’s a real life Muslim because the only reason she has obtained some level of fame is because (1) she voices right-wing views against Muslims and Islam, and (2) she is a Muslim herself. If she were simply a right-winger, she’d just be another run-of-the-mill Islamophobe trolling the internet. On the other hand, if she were just Muslim, well then so what? But it’s the combination of #1 and #2 that sustains her notoriety, because certain right-wing elements like to promote a self-hating Muslim who says all the things they themselves say: if even a Muslim says it about Islam and Muslims, then it must be true!
Meanwhile, Nomani remains very hungry and desperate for attention, which is why she added this absolutely unnecessary bit to her article:
As an American Muslim consumer, I can say that I’ll likely buy the lumber for my son’s treehouse at Lowe’s, and I’ll switch from Expedia to Kayak. I like the company’s common sense
Asra Nomani is like the black kid who hung a Confederate flag in his dorm room; he wouldn’t have garnered national attention had he been a white kid. And likewise, Nomani’s writing would whither into oblivion if she didn’t constantly invoke her “I’m a Muslim” card. That’s because aside from this fact, there is nothing at all interesting to learn from Asra Nomani’s uninspired writing.
Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am
I would say, the word “self hating _______” is a bit too zionistic in sounding. Its better not to use it. And I think her comment on this issue is bit too simplistic that it does not require giving her a refutation like this. There are bigger fishes to catch.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@ Fox News:
It’s important to document her views so that we can link to it in the future as needed.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Danios could you do an article on Tarek Fatah? I’d say he’s a bigger idiot than Asra. I was really ticked at Tarek for appearing on Sun News to sell out the Muslim community for personal gain, so I sent him an email. You know what he replied back with? He said I have an Islamist agenda. Tarek uses words islamophobes use, but difference is he still calls himself ‘Muslim’.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
There is a simular Self-Hating Loon in Germany.
You may Know Necla Kelek, who, for Instant rang some Ears last Year, when she announced, that MuslimMen must konstantly have Sex and if there is no HumanVagina around … even with Animals!
On the contrary she calls Confident Muslimas ‘Islam-Bitches’. … and you may call her one of the Loons-at-Large!
December 21st, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Danios,
I actually saw at least one episode of All American Muslim, and although its not normally the type of program I’d be interested in, it was not that bad. I actually kind of enjoyed it. It was pretty good actually. Off course my opinion of the show, is largely subjective, but when was the last time a company pulled their ads from a show, just because they thought it was a bad show? Her argument doesn’t even make sense in that regard.
December 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
What a loon!
December 21st, 2011 at 1:53 pm
Asra Nomani the Uncle Ruckus of the muslim community
December 21st, 2011 at 1:57 pm
I think her soul is reflecting on her face D: Lowes and the other companies are just giving lame excuses.
December 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Hello all,
Long time reader, first time commenter.
I read Nomani’s article on the Daily Beast when it first came out, and although I disagree completely with her views and agree wholeheartedly with what Danios has to write, I do have to take issue with the label of “self-hating”. I think it’s over the top and a bit too hyperbolic.
December 21st, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@Danios, I got to say, please don’t cheapen the prestigious tag “self-hating”, one have to earn that tittle , only brave heroes like Norman Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Glenn Greenwald, who are working so hard against all odds to make a difference in this jungle we call world, and are trying to bring a little sanity to it that deserve that “tittle”, not pathetic morons, attention craving losers who will eat dirt if they have to get a slight notice such as Asra Nomani, and such Zuhdi Jasser. It is heroes who will be remembered, imitated, their work used for generations to come who deserve that “ticket”, the sole reason being not only to highlight the utter stupidity of Zionism whenever it uses on those brave men, but to highlight the irrational bitterness of Zionists whenever they uttered from their mouth such preposterously absurd word towards those heroes, in their most desperation to cover up their dirt and as such for the whole world to see. So you see, it cheapens the whole concept when its used against nobodies such as Asra/Zuhdi who will never be remembered, other than maybe for their sheer self-pityness and moronic views if they’ll ever be remembered at all, which I don’t think they will. So leave that tag for heroic efforts.
December 21st, 2011 at 4:02 pm
@Ali
Yeah tell me about it. That man always loves sucking up to Michael Coren and Ezra Levant at Sun News who both of them praises Robert Spencer and Geller and even invites them to their shows. Then they pretend to not hate Muslims when they invite Fatah because he is their “Not Anti-Muslim Card” How much of a sap can that guy get?
December 21st, 2011 at 4:03 pm
[Comment from Danios: I deleted the comment you quoted, so that's why I am snipping this part.]
What a crazy attention whore! I think this is the same woman that walked into a mosque and demanded the ladies and men sit together? lol..*wonders how that would have worked had it been a segregated orthadox Jewish place*
December 21st, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Stop it everyone. Stop criticizing Danios for using the word self-hating. If you watched the documentary, Mosque in Morgantown, you will see just how true that statement is.
Ever since she had a son out of wedlock and her husband ran away from her, she feels the Muslim community is against her for some reason. Watch that documentary and you will see that Danios’s wording is not very far off.
December 21st, 2011 at 4:42 pm
I can see why people don’t like the term “self-hating.” It is used frequently by Israeli apologists to attack critics of Israel.
But, hating on Israel makes one “anti-Israeli” not “anti-Semitic” or “self-hating.”
Meanwhile, hating on Islam and Muslims makes you Islamophobic, or in the case of Asra Nomani, “self-hating.”
Having said that, maybe it’s better not to worry about terminology.
December 21st, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I don’t think Asra Nomani is a self-hating Muslim because she believes she is a good Muslim and acting in accordance to the teachings of Islam.
She is however, a traitor to her community because she disseminates views, which hurt her community and absolve bigotry against that community much like Clarence Thomas does for the black community in America. Notice that her views are the same as Daniel Greenfield who writes for the anti-Muslim publication, Frontpage Magazine
http://frontpagemag.com/2011/12/19/all-american-muslim-religion-of-protest/
Both Nomani and Greenfield have the same wrong thesis i.e., Lowe’s was motivated by profit and not pressure from anti-Muslim groups.
Furthermore, Nomani is a fraud. The Christian Science Monitor claims that she may have staged some prayer scenes to promote her book
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/0328/p11s01-wogi.html/(page)/2
In regards to Tarek Fatah I don’t think he is a bad guy, in fact I like him though I disagree with him sometimes (I disagreed with his position on the Cultural Center near Ground Zero). Fatah is against the occupation of Palestine, against the occupation of Iraq, and defended the prophet of Islam from charges of pedophilia that Wafa Sultan made:
http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/did_prophet_muhammad_rape_a_nine-year_old_aisha
So Fatah does defend Muslims.
December 21st, 2011 at 4:55 pm
If she not self hating then I am a flying car
Asra Nomani: Government Should Tell Muslims How to Worship
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/07/asra-nomani-government-should-tell-muslims-how-to-worship/
Asra Nomani Calls for Profiling Muslims
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/12/self-hating-loon-asra-nomani-calls-for-profiling-of-muslims/
She is prob a non practicing Agnostic Atheist ex-muslim who is using her limited small understanding of her former religion that prob her parents practiced Islam to now make money
December 21st, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Can anyone explain the expression?
December 21st, 2011 at 8:37 pm
@Géji
I second to you
December 21st, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Looking at all these pictures…this woman, spenser, geller, etc…in these pictures their faces look distorted as if the hate and evil they accuse other people of calls them liars by showing up on their very own faces. It’s sort of like the third reich, they went after people they considered physically or mentally flawed, when actually there were quite a few people in the third reich who were mentally and physically flawed.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:20 am
The show is not the best as far as reality TV goes, but their intent to show Muslims having similar needs, desires, family relationships, etc., like other Americans is a needed and noble attempt.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:31 am
“Muslims” like Zuhdi Jasser, Asra Nomani only exist to justify islamophobia. I’ve never heard of this Tarek Fatah fella before, but after a little research it turns out he has extensive zionist connections and regularly appears as a “Muslim commentator” on the hardcore zionist, anti-Muslim Michael Coren Show to do a zhudi jasser/asra nomani.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:45 am
If the likes of Tarek Fatah and Zudhi Jasser are called “self-hating muslims”, than I really don’t know what to say. They are the only prominent LIBERAL muslims I know of in the West that are fighting against the islamophobic stance of “islam is incompatible with democracy”.
If I were too pick the representatives (that are living now) of the muslim community and our views in the West, it would be Tarek Fatah and Zudhi Jasser.
Instead of criticizing their efforts, we should be criticizing the islamists. Yes I said islamists because islamists are a threat to muslims and the world.
December 22nd, 2011 at 3:24 am
@Danios: I can see why people don’t like the term “self-hating.” It is used frequently by Israeli apologists to attack critics of Israel.
And it is a falsity ~ those who zionists call “self-hating Jews” are anything but that. To suggest that someone like Norman Finkelstein, who denounces the corruption of Judaism by Israeli zionists, “hates himself” because he is Jewish … is sheer nonsense.
It is equally nonsensical to call Asra a “self-hating muslim.” She may actually be muslim ~ but it is certainly not herself that she despises on that account, but others.
Sloganeering is not argument no matter who is using it to add emphasis to a point of contention.
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:13 am
This woman who has no “ghairat” aka modesty regarding herself, parades as a virtue of values and principles. Importantly, I just found that this woman made it to ForeignPolicy (http://afpak.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/12/21/the_real_shame_in_pakistan).
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 am
Its typical that the moo-slums here do not get her full story. She was probably abused or raped for liking the US of A or trying to worship Jesus the Christ to fullness while Muslims secretly hate Jesus.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:11 pm
You are obviously one sick troll Kyle .
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Kyle, you’re an idiot! Don’t insult conservatives by calling yourself one. I shall call you Nazi Kyle!
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:41 pm
I think it’s a tonue-in-cheek thing. Jews have called other Jews “self-hating” for not supporting Israel so Danios is using their words on Asra. I don’t think it’s a big deal. *shrugs*
December 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
“On the road to Islam…. even the trees die.”
December 22nd, 2011 at 1:58 pm
@Dan5
Is this a joke or are you serious? Zuhdi Jasser like Asra Nomani is a fraud. He claims that he is an expert on Political Islam sometimes Radical Islam but he has no credentials to back up that claim according to Media Matters:
http://politicalcorrection.org/blog/201103030012
He lusts for celebrity status and profit.
December 22nd, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Nomani is typical of those on the anti Islam side: Fools guided only by their warped thinking and depraved desires.
December 22nd, 2011 at 4:12 pm
@ Dan5
You need to do a little more reasearch on Tarek Fatah. He SELLS OUT the Muslim community for personal gain. He himself critisizes Islam. He wrongly quoted that Muhammed slit the throats of 800 Jews, he’s wrongly translated SEVERAL Arabic words in his book. He misquotes Islamic texts all the time, and ALL on purpose. He IS anti-Muslim, and MANY Islamic scholars have challenged this idiot to a debate. He’s clueless on Islam, he knows nothing about Jihad or Sharia, he just knows nothing at all. Oh and whats this? Just recently on the huffington post he said Islam has a long history of condoning honor killings. This guy is a complete nut.
December 22nd, 2011 at 7:41 pm
I like how Dr M calls Tarek Fateh T-Fat in his blogs.
December 22nd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Khushboob, if anyone is the Nazi here, it is you. You are very intolerant of my free speech and my opinions and you ty to silence me and try to label me a Nazi.
I believe in freedom, self-determination, the Passion of Jesus the Christ, free enterprise and the supremacy of America, the land of opportunity for all.
December 22nd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
@Ali
How does he critisize islam? How does he hate Islam? Please stop making such absurd statements and back them up. If anything, he has been defending Islam his WHOLE life.
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:03 am
@Ali,
One correction, Tarek Fatah isn’t literate in Arabic so he didn’t translate anything. Remember how T-Fat was a no show for debating Imam Sheharyar Shaikh?
@Khan4
Thanks, lol.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:23 am
The issue here is not what Asra Nomani or Tarek Fatah say, but the way that their views are picked up by the media and held up as examples of how the “good” Muslims think. The newspapers in the National Post family are particularly bad at using Tarek Fatah’s Muslim Canadian Congress as their go-to organization for quotes whenever they want support for something controversial, like banning the niqab. “Look”, they say, “these Muslims say that the niqab is a backward, awful cultural practice with no basis in religion, so it must be so! Everyone else (who disagrees with us and them) is wrong!” There is no balance at all; you are either uber-liberal on every issue (with no empathy for conservatives), or an “extremist” (and wrong).
In my opinion, there is nothing inherently wrong with Muslims holding very liberal views, or articulating them in public. Neither is there anything wrong with Muslims holding or expressing the exact opposite views. Diversity of opinion is a strength of our community. The wrong comes from the bigots, who have decided that only their preferred group of Muslims have understood their faith correctly. All others must be forced to conform to their preferred interpretation or be labelled “extremists”. This is despicable, and makes me angry.
BTW, I am fairly sure that Tarek Fatah is a self-confessed atheist and only considers himself a “cultural” Muslim, which might explain his willingness to criticize Islam heavily, and claim that it supports honour killings and the like.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:42 am
Even more potent than the pejorative of “Self-Hating Jew” are terms like “Kapo” or “Judenrat” when applied to one’s fellow Jews.
December 23rd, 2011 at 2:49 am
@Raja:I enjoyed the article on AFPak channel by Asra Nomani.She is a brilliant writer with a HUMANE heart .She far superceds Danios in Intellect who is only an agent for who so ever pays more.He lacks moral convictions.How sad!!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:31 am
Dan5
If the likes of Tarek Fatah and Zudhi Jasser are called “self-hating muslims”, than I really don’t know what to say. They are the only prominent LIBERAL muslims
This is not something that anyone can get up and do. The only people officially speaking for Islam should be those who have spent the necessary years learning through the proper channels. Otherwise any Tom Dick and Harry, and ignoramus can call for ‘reform’. How can Tarek Fateh or asra Nomani reform Muslims (not Islam) when they havn’t even learnt the basics themselves.
Islam doesn’t need reform, it’s bad Muslims, often clueless about Islam yet happy to distort and use it for political gain. It’s not Tarek Fateh and Asra Nomani, we have the likes of Anjum Choudry, the now deceased, Osama bin Laden and Awlaki and their enablers, the CIA, The Saudi royals and other Saudi citizens who fund, the Pakistan ISI who turned a blind eye to Al Qaeda, Hamas, Hezbollah, who are happy to use Nazi propoganda against Jews to justfiy their battle against the occupation, and all sorts of other bad apples.
Bad Muslims are the problem not Islam. Another problem we have today is the bigotry of low expectations. When Muslims blame the CIA and Mossad and other bogeymen for the extremism or political opportunism of Islam distorters, then they themselves are part of the problem. ie. the actions of those wronging us, justify that we distort Islam. That is no different to those they are complaining about.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:34 am
Typo,
In the second paragraph, I meant to say,
“It’s not just Tarek Fateh and Asra Nomani” ie. ignorant about Islam so called reformers, it’s Muslim extremists too.
The mistake that Nomani and Fateh make is that they blame Islam, when they should be lambasting the bad Muslims, and how they got their bad habits, how and why they distort.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:33 am
@Believing Atheist
One does not need “credentials” on “POlitical Islam” to know that Islam is not meant to be a political system.
He, like me and many other muslims believe that Islam should be a inner journey, not something that is enforced against the will of the people.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 am
Yeah me too, I love his term T-Fat.
I like his blog too, though I have some beliefs and opinions that would make him roast me like he roasted other folks on these threads(IE mubin Shaik etc etc)
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:09 am
Tarek Fatah is a guy that makes some intellegent observations, but is politically a huge sell out and kind of nuts. Your a muslim who disagrees with him? Your an Islamist.
Your an ex-muslim who thinks he is full of shit? Or even slightly disagrees with him? Your a cultural islamist.
Your a non-muslim who disagree’s with him, your an anti-establishment extremist.
On one hand, he has some great points, and clearly he has some attachment to islam, whether he beleives it or not, as indicated by his article against Wafa Sultan, and how he argued that muslim history is less bloody than the historians say it is, he brought great arguebents as to why the whole concept of Mohammed as the jewish warriors being executed may not have happened, and pointed out even jewish historians doubt this was real.
But teh dude…he is nuts.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 am
I’ve to to love you guys every Muslim that criticizes Islam is either not a real Muslim or “a self-hating Muslim.”
At least I’ve got a few that I can look up read about and listen to. Seems Islam hates criticism more than other religions. Wonder why?
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 am
guys just leave asra alone will ya after all she needs to get paid and please her right wing masters
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:55 am
@Inspired
Thanks for your thoughtful response. I agree with you. In fact, Tarek Fatah himself said the exact same things, that Islam does not need to be reformed, just the extremists and their backward traditions.
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@Dan5
You wrote: “One does not need “credentials” on “POlitical Islam” to know that Islam is not meant to be a political system.”
How do you know what Islam is meant to be? What Islam means to you may not mean the same to your Muslim neighbor. This is because Islam varies in accordance to interpretation and sects. Ahmadis don’t believe Islam is necessarily a political system and perfectly compatible with civil law. The Ismailis under the guidance of Aga Khan believe the same.
Furthermore, if one does not need credentials to be a self-proclaimed “expert” on Islam as Zuhdi Jasser claims to be then Robert Spencer is also a scholar of Islam despite the fact that he has no credentials. Let’s just close Al-Azhar university and our universities, which hand out doctorates in Islamic history and theology.
So if one does not need credentials than there can be no distinction between John Esposito and Robert Spencer. No distinction between Bernard Lewis and Sheikh Yarmami.
If that’s fine with you then it’s fine with me. From now on I will trust anyone even a random guy on the street who claims they are an expert or a scholar on Islam.
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Calling Tarek Fatah fat is simply an ad hominem. It’s not an intellectual criticism. It’s like juvenile snickering behind someone’s back when they can’t defend themselves. How old are you guys anyway? Only cowards do that.
If you guys really had balls go to Tarek Fatah’s blog and say what you said here personally to him via his email. Here is the link to his blog where you will find his email address:
http://www.averroespress.com/AverroesPress/Main/Main.html
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Well said Believing Athiest I agree with you on this one.
But hey this is the internet look at the all powerful, Florida Family Association a vast organisation with it appears one member , and I do use the word member with care.
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Julie writes: In my opinion, there is nothing inherently wrong with Muslims holding very liberal views, or articulating them in public. Neither is there anything wrong with Muslims holding or expressing the exact opposite views. Diversity of opinion is a strength of our community. The wrong comes from the bigots, who have decided that only their preferred group of Muslims have understood their faith correctly. All others must be forced to conform to their preferred interpretation or be labelled “extremists.” This is despicable, and makes me angry.
Don’t let it make you angry. Learn to accept that there will always be such people, trapped and imprisoned by their own intellects, because that is what they choose. Whatever they do will return, either to them or on them, and when, for example, what someone writes or says leads someone else to slaughter sixty innocent children, that also will return on them. Call on The Compassionate, and lament ignorance and an absence of The Merciful in their lives. Anger will do neither, and will return on you, not for you.
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Dan5 says: One does not need “credentials” on “Political Islam” to know that Islam is not meant to be a political system.
Oh, but it most certainly is a “political system.” Observe:
He, like me and many other muslims believe that Islam should be a inner journey, not something that is enforced against the will of the people.
That’s a political system ~ self-government and liberty, without coercion. That’s the mandate of Islam. It’s most definitely a political mandate. Every man and woman must be free to choose God Alone, or not; and He has provided religious Orders ~ political systems ~ to address every possible eventuality. Islam is a political system of individual self-determination, individual self-government, and individual liberty, without coercion. Everyone is free to choose that, or another that may be more to their liking. But wherever two or three people occupy the same habitat, there will be a “political system” among them. It’s a necessary element of human existence.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
For the record, I have written countless op-eds, two books and my written stuff is available on the Internet on HuffPost, National Post, Toronto Life, Toronto Star, Globe & Mail and TIME Magazine.
Could one of you produce a single sentence where I have criticized Islam? Just one?
May be then it’ll be valid to slander me behind my back. Otherwise some of you owe me an apology, but knowing the material so many Muslims are made off today, I am not holding my breath.
I’ll be waiting anxiously for my naysayers to present any evidence they can dig up where I have criticized Islam. As a matter of principle, I have stood up in places where you wouldn’t dare go and called out Islam-haters and rendered them for what they are–hate mongers.
Merry Christmas, btw.
Khuda Hafiz
Tarek
December 25th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
@Truth Seeker
Self-seekers like Asra (i presume you are not one of them, are you?) jumps into the bandwagon of nudity/sexism in order to reap a rich money harvest. I commend Danios for his courageous write-up. Truly Asra is a dirty loon.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:09 am
@Tarek Fatah,
I come back from a party and to my surprise what do I find? Tarek Fatah has responded to the smears against him. Mr. Fatah it is a pleasure to finally interact with you. I assure you that I am not one of those people who smeared you behind your back.
In fact I did my best to defend you by posting an article you wrote rebuking the diatribe of Wafa Sultan hence, showing that you do defend Muslims.
These people that are smearing you behind your back are a bunch of cowards who indulge in Ad hominem attacks and not in intellectual criticism or the refutation of your ideas. Pay no attention to them. Your words prove who you are and what you do and your words are available for anyone to see.
Furthermore, I am a big fan of yours Mr. Fatah. The Muslim world needs more voices of liberal intellectuals such as yourself. You’re a defender of human rights and in the fight against religious radicalism I am your ally.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
@Tarek Fatah,
The question is where HAVEN’T you smeared Islam and the Muslim community? Your “article” on the murder of Marwa El-Sherbini being one such example. Lying about the Qur’an, the Prophet(saw), Shariah. Promoting the “Ground Zero mosque” fear mongering on FOX alongside the likes of Robert Spencer, and Frank Gaffney. Your claims that Muslims had infiltrated the US Government and Harper’s government without citing any evidence. “Islamist” this, “Islamist” that. I can go on and on. So many lies, so little credibility, that’s you in a nut shell, T-Fat(and I haven’t even included your failed career in Canadian politics). Any wonder why your supporters tend to be Muslim hating fanatics? Nobody owe’s you an apology. You’re a fraud, a Pakistani communist turned immigrant opportunist neocon political transvestite who ran away from debating the same Muslim community you smear on a regular basis.
We’d be here all day if each one of your lies was dissected. Lets take a quick look shall we?
http://tinyurl.com/7m93ga5
December 26th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Mr. Tarek Fatah,
Below are some of your comments. Let’s let readers decide for themselves, shall we?
“Instead of bringing victory over the fascist forces of the Muslim Brotherhood, we now recognize that their infiltration is right up to the American White House, but we can’t say that.”
You can’t say it? I think you just did. Paranoid much?
“Today we are fighting another idea of Islamo-fascism that has shut our mouths and we can’t speak because we’re too scared that someone may turn around and call us a racist. And mind you, everyday as I speak, a few dozen Muslims would have been killed by now by these Jihadis.”
If a Jew used the term “Judeofascist,” he’d be a self-hating Jew. I wonder how many of your fellow Pakistanis were killed by US drones while you were blathering nonsense?
“One day I hope to see the Liberals and New Democrats join the Conservatives to say out loudly that they find the niqab to be a medieval monstrosity that is a manifestation of misogyny that has no place in Canada and that this ghastly attire is not a religious requirement, but a political statement thumbing its nose at Canada and its Western allies. Quebec has produced such cross-political consensus against the burka and niqab. Will Canada?”
That’s a colorful way to deny Muslim women the right to choose their own clothing.
“The Canadian multicultural model has failed, as the British model has,” said Fatah. “When first generation (Muslims) are more loyal to Canada than the second generation, then we have sufficient evidence to say that multiculturalism has failed.”
Wow, then what should be done with the Muslims who can’t assimilate? Deportation or execution?
“It should be seen as anti-American. All sins seem to be forgiven and forgotten if our oppressor hates the USA.”
Resentment toward America doesn’t stem from murderous hypocritical policies, but from pure, irrational Islamofascist hate. Were you channeling David Horowitz?
Remember when your Muslim [sic] Canadian Congress joined the EDL-supporting Jewish Defence League in a protest against Muslims being allowed to pray in Toronto schools? You have defended Geert Wilders and seem to be great admirer of Ayan Hirsi Ali, judging from your cozy little talk show chat.
You took some heat from Spencer, but that’s only because Wafa Sultan is on a higher plane of Hell and you crossed her. Otherwise it’s all hugs and kisses from your jolly good bedfellows.
We know you by your words and the company you keep. No one needs to “smear” you. You don’t deserve an apology, and you get the respect you earn…which in your case is none.
Believing Atheist, your boot licking display of affection is stomach turning. With friends like you, who needs Fatah?
December 27th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
@Tarek Fatah,
I think Dr M does have a valid point in regards to his claims about Park51 aka Ground Zero Mosque which is actually a Muslim cultural center.
Mr. Fatah you claim that you’re a liberal but a true liberal would not condemn the building of a Muslim cultural center near Ground Zero because in the words of Justice John Paul Stevens:
“American Muslims should enjoy the freedom to build their places of worship wherever permitted by local zoning laws,”
And
“Our Constitution protects every one of us from being found guilty of wrongdoing based on the conduct of our associates. Guilt by association is unfair,”
In the United States we have a Constitution and that Constitution is the Supreme Law of the Land, and American-Muslims are entitled to protection under that Constitution in equal measures to other Americans.
December 27th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
@DrM , Do you think he’ll answer you? those are pretty serious observations you made here. But can you please give me the link where he made the especially horrendous claim that Muslims “infiltrated” both US and Canadian government? If he truly said that, then truly this man is of a higher Munafiq order, and must be exposed as such and be condemned throughout the North American Muslim Community.
December 27th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
These observations are not baseless.
I found many quotes on the more right-wing sites about Islamist infiltration of the American government, such as:
http://noisyroom.net/blog/2011/08/13/muslim-brotherhood-in-our-white-house-%E2%80%93-vetting-obama/
They seem to come from a speech he gave in Toronto at Ideacity 2011. I have not watched the speech to verify that the quotes are accurate, but it is available online. Search for Ideacity 2011 and it will come up.
The Canadian government infiltration quotes come from the time when Zijad Delic (National Executive Director of the Canadian Islamic Congress) was invited to speak before the Department of Defense, who then cancelled his invitation on short notice. Tarek Fateh approved, and made some comments about Islamists in government. A few of these are quoted in the link below. The affair got a lot of press time here.
http://www.thecanadiancharger.com/page.php?id=5&a=686
It is worth noting that in neither of the above cases was he criticizing the religion itself. He does seem to see “Islamist jihadis” hiding behind every bush, though.
P.S. Thank you Shaykh al-Hajj Dawud Ahmad a-Amriki, for your kind and thoughtful reply.
December 27th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
@Geji,
Not a problem. Notice that both youtube channels hosting the following videos are anti-Muslim, with one being a hard core Zionist. What a surprise huh?
http://www.egypt4christ.com/index.php/english/59-human-rights/2388-former-csis-man-explains-islamic-infiltration-of-canadian-politics
Notice how he viciously calls the politician in the second video a “sharia bolshevik” simply for criticizing Harper’s fear mongering on Islam. Ironic considering Fatah himself was a hard core Marxist until the Soviet Union went belly up. These videos are just a drop in the bucket, he’s been at it for years. After failing in Canadians politics he accused his own party of being infiltrated by “Islamists,” and quit. Evidence? Bob Rae, the guy he was supporting lost the race for the NDP nomination. A couple of years ago he went ballistic on Jack Layton, the head of the NDP? Why? Layton had sent Eid greetings to the Muslim community.
He’s an atheist who pretends to be a member of the Muslim community. He claims he has never criticized Islam, yet always always misrepresented and lied about it. I can go and on, and I’ve had a bit of fun exposing the shameless opportunist over the years.
If you goggle T-Fat lies, you’ll find that just about anti-Islamic loon in support of him. I highly recommend that you go watch the debate he was supposed to have with Imam Sheharyar Shaikh. He is one despicable, shameless, attention whoring, lying neocon bastard.
I think it’s high time, he got the loonwatch treatment.
December 28th, 2011 at 12:17 am
@Julie
Your first link is to a tea bagging loon site, which provides no evidence whatsoever. The only ones making the claims are the usual suspects(Horowitz, Pipes, Fatah, Hannity, Freak Republic) high on their own horse manure.
The real infiltration going on is by Israel and its sayanim sleeper cells.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:13 am
I did some independent research on Tarek Fatah in order to see if Dr M was telling the truth (which I doubted at first) and it turns out that he was.
Tarek Fatah claimed that Dalia Mogahed is a Muslim Brotherhood agent and infiltrated the whitehouse but did not provide one shred of evidence to back this up according to the Daily Kos
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/08/28/1011382/-Latest-wingnut-myth-Muslim-Brotherhood-has-infiltrated-White-House
Furthermore, even the Islamophobic (and I use this term because Danios used this term), pundit, Jeffrey Goldberg claims that Mogahed is no extremist but a U.S. ally
http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2009/10/anatomy-of-a-smear/29022/
Extremists in fact call Dalia Mogahed a “sellout.”
I thought you were a person of conscience Mr. Fatah, a true liberal, but you betrayed me. I retract my eariler praise of you. You’re no better than a conspiracy-theorist and a wingnut.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:42 am
“For the record, I have written countless op-eds, two books and my written stuff is available on the Internet on HuffPost, National Post, Toronto Life, Toronto Star, Globe & Mail and TIME Magazine.”
So? Robert Spencer has written crappy books about Islam with no scholarship and very little truth to them. It’s the content of the books and the quality of the author’s scholarship that matters. Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, and co. have written stuff available on the internet as well. That doesn’t give them anymore credibility as long as they have no scholarship and write outright lies about Islam. What makes you so special?
“Could one of you produce a single sentence where I have criticized Islam? Just one?”
“Just one”? Bro, when I went to your website, this is what I found: “On Jihad
Two imams, two academics and a liberal Muslim appear on TVO and discuss the doctrine of holy war in Islam, known as Jihad.” The fact that you think jihad is some kind of “doctrine of holy war in Islam” speaks volumes about you. And what’s with the link to “The Muslim Brotherhood Agenda in America”? Also, you incredibly agree with attacks on Rasulullah, salallahu alayahi’ wassallam, on your site, in your article “The Jew is Not My Enemy”. Instead mentioning that 1) the Banu Qurayza committed treason, 2) their punishment was according to Arab tribal custom at that time 3) they had essentially agree to the punishment in the Constitution of Medina and 4) they were given a mediator to intercede for them, you turn around and agree with the Islamophobic author you quote in your article. Also, you have an article entitled “Muslim Silence over the ugly face of Jihad”. Incredibly, you assert in the article that Muslims do not denounce terror. You are no different than the right wing fascists you cater to.
“May be then it’ll be valid to slander me behind my back. Otherwise some of you owe me an apology, but knowing the material so many Muslims are made off today, I am not holding my breath.”
Loon Watch never portrayed you in a bad light, it does not need to apologize for anything.
“I’ll be waiting anxiously for my naysayers to present any evidence they can dig up where I have criticized Islam.”
It wasn’t very hard, your website is littered with it, as I pointed out, lol.
” As a matter of principle, I have stood up in places where you wouldn’t dare go and called out Islam-haters and rendered them for what they are–hate mongers.”
Hell yeah you’ve “stood up in places where” we wouldn’t dare to go: You stood up to agree with the right-wingnuts running Sun News, we would never go there. Loon Watch does far more to stand up to Islamophobia in one day than you do in a year. Call out Islam-Haters? Lol, you agree with them on your website, I provided an example above.
If you consider yourself Muslim, then I hope you seriously reconsider all that you have done against Islam. Peace.
December 28th, 2011 at 2:52 am
@Believing Atheist:
Look, there are a lot of Muslims truly dedicated to “reforming” Islam, e.g. Tariq Ramadan, but Tarek Fatah is not one of them. He harms the Muslim community and attacks Islam more than he helps either one.
December 28th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Julie, I have yet to find any valid claims of the sort… ever! To me it seems to be the same people who supported McCarthy and his ‘lists of names’ that are doing the junk about Obama, Muslims, etc etc now. I even see the same arguments used, granted they slightly altered.
Think about the history of the US and look at all the various minority groups that have been blamed or picked out as Muslims have done today. Jews, Irish, Italians, Blacks, Hispanics, Catholics… the list goes on and on and every time the same arguments have been used against them. The ‘fact’ that their views are ‘foreign’ and ‘incompatible’ with the US. The ‘fact’ that they secretly conspire to take the US over. The examples, the formula, is there repeated in history.
And sadly this history is a great big wheel, and today it has spun towards Muslims. Who will be next I wonder? Personally I think Iranians:
http://thepenofawanderingstranger.com/personal/iran-you-are-next/
Jack
December 28th, 2011 at 9:02 pm
As expected, not one of you could produce a single statement from me ‘criticizing Islam”.
The hyenas who I attack may believe they are Islam, but sorry mate, you have delusions of grandeur. Maududi, Qutb and his dogs of war are NOT Islam and the Muslim Brotherhood Fifth Columnists who dwell in our neighbour hoods will be exposed no matter what.
As for Dr. M and his website praying for my cancer death, twit, God is my side; not yours. No one lives for ever, but disgraceful characters like you will always have to hide behind the burqa of pseudonyms.
The usual drivel that pours out of the sores of hate-filled jihadis, but no evidence.
Like parasites and termites you try to devour the very society that sustains you. For the venom you spout against those who expose your jihadi agenda, nothing will stop us from speaking the truth.
December 28th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
@Believing Atheist
“I thought you were a person of conscience Mr. Fatah, a true liberal, but you betrayed me. I retract my eariler praise of you. You’re no better than a conspiracy-theorist and a wingnut.”
Okay, then I retract what I wrote about you earlier as well.
@Tarek Fatah
Hyenas, parasites, termnites, jihadis…Why do you need to resort to name calling? Could it be because your response has no substance?
“As expected, not one of you could produce a single statement from me ‘criticizing Islam’.”
How could you read everything presented here and draw that conclusion? Now we know you’re delusional.
This video very clearly exposes your fraud and dishonesty:
December 28th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
@Tarek Fatah,
I am not a Muslim so you can’t call me a jihadi but you’re Definitely a liar. You claim you’re a liberal, but as I said before a true liberal would not condemn Park51 as you did. You then call your criticizers on this site, jihadis but how do you know that they are? Have you met them personally? Or are you spewing more lies again?
Before that you create a red-herring by claiming Qutb and Maududi were not true Islam. First how can people be Islam? Islam is an abstract belief. People who believe in such an idea are called Muslims.
More importantly nobody said they were in these comments.
Name-calling, ad hominem attacks and slandering without evidence seems to be a trend with you. You claimed that Dalia Mogahed was a member of the Muslim Brotherhood but you offered zero proof of this assertion. In my above post I even linked an article to Jeffrey Goldberg of the Atlantic (a former member of the IDF)who claims that she isn’t. He also claims that Muslim extremists hate her for being too liberal.
Since you want people on Loonwatch to apologize to you for slandering you, I want you in return to apologize to Dalia Mogahed for tarnishing her good name with your conspiracy theories.
I agree Dr M went too far wishing for your death (in fact I had a fight with him because he wished for Hitchens’s death) but that’s about all we have in common.
I used to admire you Mr. Fatah. Then I saw the evidence. You betrayed me.
December 28th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
“As expected, not one of you could produce a single statement from me ‘criticizing Islam”.”
WTF!! Your site is full of it! I pointed it out already. Are you in denial?
“The hyenas who I attack may believe they are Islam, but sorry mate, you have delusions of grandeur.”
Is Rasulullah, peace be upon him, a hyena? Because (as I pointed out in my previous comment), you attack him by siding with the Islamophobe you quote in your article “The Jew Is Not My Enemy”. I answered the bs in your article in my previous comment.
” Maududi, Qutb and his dogs of war are NOT Islam”
Nobody on this site supports them.
” and the Muslim Brotherhood Fifth Columnists who dwell in our neighbour hoods will be exposed no matter what.”
*rollseyes* Remember what I said about you attacking your own community? Here you go again. News flash genius: the MB is not trying to take over America. They’ve failed to take over their own country, Egypt, for the last 80 years, lol.
“The usual drivel that pours out of the sores of hate-filled jihadis, but no evidence.”
Again, you distort the word “jihad” just as you do on your website (see my above comment…or just go to your site). Jihad is not “holy war”, surely you as a Muslim would know that. The only “usual drivel” here is coming from you.
“Like parasites and termites you try to devour the very society that sustains you.”
Really? I could have sworn that every one of us was a tax paying, law abiding citizen of our respective countries.
” For the venom you spout against those who expose your jihadi agenda, nothing will stop us from speaking the truth.”
The only one spouting “venom” here is you. In the previous sentence of your comment, you just called us “parasites and termites”. “Jihadi agenda”? You sound just like the Islam-haters you claim to speak out against. Will you continue to distort the word “jihad”? “speaking the truth”? You lie about Islam and Muslims and yet you have the audacity to claim that you speak the truth? Would you please take a look at your own website and all that you have done in the last 15 years?
December 28th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
@Tarek Fatah:
I’m sorry if I came across as harsh, but I stand behind everything I’ve said. However…I knew someone who had lymphoma. I hope you recover, inshallah.
December 29th, 2011 at 12:03 am
@Tarek Fatah aka Uncle Tom Dollar,
Uh NO. Time to get those googly eyes of yours checked, Biryani boy. It’s been a really slow night on call so it’s a choice between watching a crappy 90s Van Damme flick in the physicians lounge or decimating your lies. Well, it’s your lucky night, T-Fat, so onto the decimation. There’s been plenty of evidence posted against you so I don’t know why you’re still posturing. Perhaps the cancer has metastasized to the empty cavity between your ears. Cancer is nothing to laugh at but I was happy to make an exception in your case, so that’s not “praying for your death”, you desperate attention whore. Remember how I made mince meat out your Facebook flunkies when you sent them over to my blog? So yes, I do like to see criminals like you((and your buddy the disgraced Pakistani neocon Hussein Haqqani) suffer. Nobody lives forever, and I would have thought a cancer diagnosis would have made you rethink your failed life, but no, you’re determined to go out like Orianna Fallaci. Doesn’t matter to me, good riddance to bad rubbish. How can God be on “your side” when you’re an atheist munafiq pretending to be a Muslim? Nobody with an iota of intelligence takes you, and your phantom menace of “islamism” conspiracy theories seriously. Homeless third world, egotistical, opportunistic, parasites like you have no allegiance to any nation, you’ll jump into bed with anyone as long as it gets you paid.
If a fascist arselicker like you were anywhere near as tough as you make yourself out to be, you would’ve showed up to debate Imam Sheharyar Shaikh and won easily. But we all know how you chickened out but continued lying about:
You might get some play from the usual suspects, but in a fair and civil debate, you wouldn’t last five minutes against a qualified opponent even if your friends Michael Coren and David Horowitz were propping up your fat carcass from either side. You were also were lying about the “death threats” you supposedly received from “radical Islamists” :
http://youstayclassy.org/2011/03/05/you-stay-classy-national-post-newstalk1010-tarek-fatah/
You’re a lying sack of crap for hire, Tarek, you know it, I know it, and most certainly, the Zionists pulling your strings know it. I, and many others will continue monitoring and exposing you for the Islamophobic quisling scumbag that you are. You can bet a steaming plate of biryani on that. I can go on but I do work for a living, you know. If somewhere a tiny spark of conscience resides in you and decide to get a real job, I know some excellent desi sweets and spices stores which looking to hire obese, unskilled labor in that art of pirating Bollywood DVDs.
December 29th, 2011 at 12:54 am
@DrM,
Thanks for the links, disgusting indeed. But you know what’s even more hilarious than the US-borrowed, Republican “style” Islamophobia that the always Oh!Sad copycats aka Canada conservatives have decided to import, and that only have been available on shelves after the 0 personality, Bush-desperately-wannabe-, made in the USA Harpy came to power, is that most of the so-called “Islamists” of this world can’t even locate where Canada actually is. Talks about “fearing” and hating people who don’t even know you exist, it’s that a pathetically desperate attempt to get a little attention or what?. I’ve lived in Canada for years, and never show any interest in it’s politics, almost all of it are US made, and soo boring that as result you’ll put you hair out if you listen to Canadian politicians more than few minutes, especially the USA leading-by-the-leash Conservative party. So I guess in one way, the boring Canadian politicians believe that if they borrow from US Islamophobia discourses, it will put them on the world map, pathetic indeed. That how sad the uncharismatic Canadian politic is. If the revered USA bosses turn on its minorities, one have to expect the always leaded Canadian flocks to follow.
As for both Munafiqs known as T-Fat and Sale-Mansur, who are nothing more than pretending-to-be-Muslim in order to get credibility for their bashing, and better pay-checks whenever they grace us with their naked hate for the global Muslim Community, any Muslim who know the Qur’an well enough will recognize the Munafiq signs so well described in the Qur’an that this 2 individuals exhibit. Thus, any Muslim who know that much cannot expect Munafiqs as such will hesitate for one second on cashing in and piggy-backing on the Paranoiac, Western-made lucrative business of Islamophobia, for its simply impossible for Munafiqs to do otherwise. But in my opinion, I think Sale-Mansur is 100 time worse than T-Fat, because after all he do get more opportunity to express his bare hate of Muslims on a daily basis, for he’s been honored with a column on Canada’s most popular ‘news’ paper to get a chance to spew it. I strongly believe both hypocrites are long time apostates turn atheists, but are hiding this fact solely because the Islamophobia compagny seem to pay more cash to its employees that have submitted their resumes as sources coming from inside the target. And that’s precisely what makes T-Fat/Sale-Mansur and their ilks even more dangerous in harming the Muslims community both in the US and Canada. This is a unquestionable free ticket to hate and must be exposed as such in order to put and end to it. But I think the duty of exposing them must come first and foremost from Muslims themselfs. If we can’t even expose ourselfs the hypocrite elements that are pretending to be one of us, but yet in all fronts are among the most vicious who are putting our lives as Muslim in danger, for they are happily promoting the best ways to hate us even more, and that in societies where we live as a minority, thus vulnerable to attacks and hate, and who took the choice of receiving better pay-checks, than protecting the lives of the very community they claim they’re “from”. So if we can’t even expose those, then how are we as Muslims be able to expose the bigger fishes on top. I do think as well that it’s high time LoonWatch start paying attention to Canada’s Asras/Jassers. I’ve also notice that nowadays the word “Islamist” became easily interchangeable with the word “Muslim”, thus if you’re docile like a dog, and are not objecting to be walked all over, then you’re a “Muslim” and must be left alone as long as you remain in your designated servitude post. But soon as you object to the perpetual-serf status, and object to the “masters” multiple massacres of Muslims worldwide, then you’ve officially become an “Islamist”, the hunt must begin and the road to Gitmo must be taking, its simple as 1-2-3.
But you know what, I think Muslims must answer like wise, just to highlight the stupidity of the word “Islamist” – [which of course is none but a fresh 21st century Western slur (remember the "Muhammadans" of the past?) and which is invented for Islam and any Muslim who refuse to abandon his/her religion principals, and because he/she did not abandon, refuse also to live as consequence in a perpetual-serf status , or refuse and object to the massacre of his brothers and sisters overseas] – Muslims should in their turn and like the same manner label all the Western, radical Right-Wing nutjobs as Christianists, it is but true after all that they hold the Bible in one hand, and a gun to massacre Muslims on the other, isn’t? or actually not so much of a gun than a red button to set-off WMD.
December 29th, 2011 at 1:41 am
Tarek Fatah, may I suggest you leave? It is clear you are not welcome here and you add nothing to any conversation you join except for empty statements and attacks against those who dare disagree with you. Jihadists indeed!
Jack
December 29th, 2011 at 2:46 am
Geiji,
Don’t trust anything DrM says without checking the facts yourself. He lies, and is a Jew hater. See his website for more details. Though i have my differences with Tarek Fateh, Believing atheist and others here, they’re right about DrM.
Anyone who challenges his lies, he accuses of being a sayanim sleeper cell, and other nonsense.
DrM discredits this website. Frankly i’m puzzled as to why Loon Watch keep him around.
I mean, why hasn’t anyone questioned how he has the gall to challenge Tarek Fateh when he himself uses nazi rhetoric, in other words, he is doing the same he accuses Tarek Fateh of.
December 29th, 2011 at 3:05 am
I forgot to add the following examples of T-Fat’s madness in my previous post.
Here he is claiming that the Dalia Lama is an “islamist” dupe :
http://www.montrealgazette.com/life/Conference+religions+sparks+split+before+starts/5356217/story.html
Claims that the Toronto police has been…you guessed it…infiltrated by “islamists”! Why? Because they weren’t taking his bullcrap as seriously after so many fake claims. Here’s the puff piece from none other then Steve Emerson’s Zionist Investigative Project :
http://www.investigativeproject.org/2658/toronto-police-refuse-to-investigate-islamist
Here we have T-Fat cuddling with Zionist Ezra Levant about the “war on Christmas,” how evil multiculturalism and political correctness is(Zionism being exempt of course). This youtube channel is hosted by “blazingcatfur,” an israeli hasbaRat.
Fatah’s comments on Norway :
“As the brilliant Canadian Muslim commentator Tarek Fatah recently noted, “The fact the Norwegian terrorist wasn’t an Islamist convert is a huge victory for soft jihadis and sharia-bolsheviks, apologists for the worldwide Islamist agenda. They will now forever invoke the name ‘Anders Behring Breivik’ to deflect attention from jihadi terrorism. For too long they had to rely on just one name, ‘Timothy McVeigh’.”
It was written by a British Zionist, shocking I know.
http://blogs.jpost.com/content/norway-attacks-exploitation-evil
T-Fat has also claimed that no accurate biography of the Prophet Muhammed(saw) exists. His vicious and violent hate filled rhetoric against hijabi and niqabi Muslim, with all kinds of filth about ripping of burkas, pole dancing in strip bars etc. Both are on Facebook, and I dare this Zionist muppet to deny it.
Care to call my bluff, munafiq?
December 29th, 2011 at 9:16 am
@Believing Atheist,
I commend your bravery in putting this sellout called Tarek Fatah in his place(And also DrM did a good job in exposing his lies). He is an enemy to Islam and the Muslims, a wolf in sheeps clothing.
December 29th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
@Géji
An excellent response and analysis. If you go to T-Fat’s twitter account you’ll see even proof that he’s an open enemy of the Muslim community. Do check out the pics he’s posted. You’ll see how Sikhs are collaboring with “islamists” at interfaith meetings, and how a Muslim man praying in public is a “middle finger to the west.” Oh, and loonwatch is “brimming with bearded jihadis, and clean shaven Islamists.”
You are absolutely correct that “islamist” is no different then “mohammeden.” Islamist is up there with jihadist and now wahhabist in my book. Totally stupid meaningless word that attempts to Anglicize an Arabic word, advertise it as intellectual and with deep meaning while actually only superficially pretending to bypass the connotations that are invariably associated with it by its religious context. In reality, it’s those connotations and the religious context which are being manipulated to put the religion of Islam in new, hateful, bigoted, misrepresented terminology.
@”inspired by Muhammed” aka bmd aka 1001 shizo trolls,
Yawn, back again for another beating, eh? Don’t be so desperate. Everything I’ve said is rock solid, and on the money. You on the other hand are a Zionist hasbaRat loser pretending to be a Muslim, and I’ve exposed and humiliated you numerous times here. So I can understand why you’re trying to get me banned, and guess what? It aint happening, irrelevant chameleon. Is it the tread from my curled up Iron Sheikh style boots on your Nazi posterior which still hurts? Should I bother reposting all the links where you justified the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians, when you were attacking anyone who dared to suggest that Zionism and Islamophobia were linked, when you were promoting Massimo Pallazi, the Zionist Italian con artist?
Just like cowardly T-fat you ran off every time I challenged you only to come up with a new name and repeat the same old hackneyed bs. Feels like a bad rerun.
December 29th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
I’m glad that you Tarek Fatah is commenting here. I’m not going to be harsh on you sir but I will ask you some questions and hopefully you will be honest enough to answer them if you don’t mind.
Why do you support people like Michael Coren, Ezra Levant and the rest of the Sun News people? The reason I ask this is because both Coren and Levant have invited so many Anti-Muslims (Not Anti-Jihadists as the term that you use but Anti-Islam and Anti-Muslims)to their programs many times before.
They have invited people like Robert Spencer, Pamella Geller, and Geert Wilders and those guys hate Islam and hate us Muslims and want to get rid of us as much as they can. Not once has Coren and Levant ever condemned their hateful views. They always say that how it’s wrong that so many Muslims hate Spencer and Geller and want to silence their freedom of speech when they themselves want to take away Muslim right in America. Many times that fool Michael Coren loves to say that not once had Spencer attacked or used violent words on the prophet or on Muslims.
That’s bs, ether Coren is being foolish here or he is lying because Spencer has used the most vile languages by attacking the prophet and used lies in order to attack Muslims. And he also lies about the prophet many times. Also Spencer says that every Muslim lies (You know his favourite word Taqiyya that he loves to abuse and yet to this day he still doesn’t know what it means) and that they have to lie in order to be proper Muslim in Islam, and also every bad thing that a Muslim does is ok(Murder, Rape, stealing as examples) because “Islam allows them to do that” and never mentions that most Muslims are good people and Coren never talks about these issues when ever he brings him to his show.
In fact Coren spreads lies by saying that Spencer is a kind loving peaceful man. Does spreading hatred on Muslims sound very loving and peaceful to you?!!! Same goes with Geller who Coren and also Levant loves to suck up too.
And when Levant brought that Nazi Wilders to his show, they both talk about how the Muslims and liberals want to silence Wilders freedom of speech but yet Wilders goes on about how he wants to ban the Qur’an because he doesn’t like it and Levant never talks about that with him. Not once does Levant tell him that banning the Qur’an makes him a hypocrite when it comes to freedom of speech. Wilders want to silent freedom of speech to anything he doesn’t like and Ezra never questions him about it. Coren and Levant claims that Spencer and Geller are only against Radical Islam but if you go to their website like Jihad Watch for examples or youtube even, they spread so much hatred on Islam and Muslims.
And yet Sun News loves to praise their work. What I’m asking you Mr Fatah is why do you continue to be friends with these people? You should know by now that they are using you as a puppet to hide their hatred against us by saying “Oh we don’t hate Muslims” when clearly they support the people who are Anti-Muslims. Why don’t you ask them by saying why do you guys support these people who clearly hate us. Your support of Sun News is the main reason to why so many Muslims don’t take you seriously when you do this.
I hope you answer back to me as soon as possible. I would like to hear your thoughts about all this.
December 29th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
@Inspired by Mohammad Says:
I’m sorry to disagree but DrM is right, why do you come in different guises i.e. Islam Created The Modern World, Beautiful Muslim Doll etc etc?
Sure DrM is not your average softly spoken Muslim but he is not a liar or a Jew hater. He speaks for Islam and defends it against falsehood which I admire.
December 29th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
DrM, no you’re the one who can’t face facts. Same old garbage from your screwed up nefarious brain. You flatter yourself.
You’re a nefarious character, and you you only have nazi garbage and Christian supremacist nonsense to fall back on. Aside from your lies about Saudi Arabia, and others.
Sam Seed,
I don’t know what your background is, are you ignorant or what?
Do you think someone who uses Nazi rhetoric is an ideal candidate to ‘expose’ T Fat?
Are you aware that DrM sweeps the trash at Judeofascism.com? Respond to this please, because you then cannot object to Islamophobes who do the same to us.
His ‘exposing’ of T-fat, doesn’t excuse his own nefarious links and beliefs.
December 29th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Sam Seed,
It is NOT about his being soft spoken or not. I don’t like soft spoken pussy cats myself.
REad his blog. If you do, then you are either ignorant, or you are in league with him.
You didn’t answer my question. He used to link to judeofascism.com and use anti Jewish language, under the guise of anti Zionism.
What do you mean by defending Islam and Muslims? Robert Spencer claims to defend Christians. According to your logic he is right then.
Pamela Geller does what DrM does, cites white supremacists and neo nazis so long as they target their hate at Muslims.
December 29th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
By the way, Sam Seed, even Mindy1 has taken DrM to task, she can hardly be described as a troublemaker here, unlike me.
She’s very supportive, and she is Jewish. Not at all the type to accuse people lightly of being Jew haters. But even she recognised DrM for what he was, and called him out on it.
December 29th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
DrM, addressing “Inspired by Mohammad”: You on the other hand are a Zionist hasbaRat loser pretending to be a Muslim, and I’ve exposed and humiliated you numerous times here.
Years ago, I first started writing on the Web at the Usenet newsgroup alt.religion.islam ~ an unmoderated free-for-all overwhelmingly dominated by the troll warfare of Hindus, Zionists, and false-flag “muslims” against a few muslims whose “religious understanding” reached back to the “glory days” of the tyrannical Abbasid dynasty and not much further.
A few of us got together by way of a separate mailing list, and compiled several pages ~ one to each notorious troll ~ that identified them for new readers at the Usenet newsgroup. And in response to their trolling, we would simply post a link to their “Troll page” with an extract from the past showing that the troll was simply bringing ~ once again ~ something that had been decisively refuted several times before.
I’d be happy to host a Majordomo mailing list, and “Troll profile pages,” on the MuslimAmerica.net website. You might want to communicate with a few of the regulars here to see whether such a project would be worthwhile for LoonWatch. Anyone can write me at “law” at muslimamerica.net, should this sound interesting.
December 29th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@Inspired by Mohammad,
I think you’re guilty of the same extremism you claim Dr M preaches. You want to ban Dr M, but we should not ban anyone because their is no crime called a thought crime.
So if you believe that Dr M uses Nazi rhetoric and I think you have a valid point in this assertion, he still should have his say because he is protected by the First Amendment.
Dr M has said far worse to me than he has ever said to you. He called me a Hindutva, a Zionist, a member of the EDL, used racial slurs against me by calling me a brown sahib, etc. but I still don’t wish to get him banned because I am a believer of free-speech.
If you ban him then you create a precedence that it is acceptable to ban speech, which can then be used and abused against others.
December 29th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Shaykh al-Hajj Dawud Ahmad a-Amriki
Can you stop promoting your conspiracy theories here, please. Your own website is one such. Full of conspiracy theories.
Now if you respond to this, please do so with facts in clear English, short lucid to the point sentences, and reams of pages, full of conspiracies dressed up in parables.
I dare say, if I were to start a ‘troll’ page, you would head the list, and the pages would get filled up pretty quickly with your parables of conspiracies.
Why can’t you name your bogeyman straight out?
December 29th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Believing Atheist
If you ban him then you create a precedence that it is acceptable to ban speech, which can then be used and abused against others.
It’s not about what I want. The thing is, Loon Watch has banned people similar to DrM, another person like him, Rehmat1, an anti Zionist conspiracy monger, Jew hater, like DrM, so I don’t understand why they keep him around. he too uses nazi rhetoric, dressed up in Islamic garb.
In a way, so too does the Shaykh if you check his site. SirDavid noted that too. But I can’t say for sure where the Shaykh is concerned, since he speaks in parables. I suspect that is because he doesn’t want to be called out for blatant anti jew sentiment.
Either it should be free for all, if it’s about the first amendment, then everyone should be free to say what they want.
December 29th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
@Inspired by Mohammad/BMD/How Islam Created the Modern World
You wrote: Either it should be free for all, if it’s about the first amendment, then everyone should be free to say what they want.
That’s what I said. All you are doing is repeating the essence of what I said in your own words.
December 29th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Oh, and T-Fat, feel free to respond. I won’t be holding my breath.
December 29th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
@Shaykh al-Hajj Dawud Ahmad a-Amriki
Not a bad idea at all. I’ve been calling for a registration system here for a while. That should be the kill switch to BMD’s dissociative personality disorder.
@Inspired by Muhammed aka BMD aka Muslim Zionists aka 1001 schizo trolls,
Still bitter from your last defeat I see. You’re a broken record, this coming from the same troll who once accused me of being an Evangelical Christian! LOL! Time to neuter you again. Keep dreaming, you’ll get banned way before I ever will. I’m like plastic Pam Geller? Odd that you should say that considering that it was YOU who called for my banning when I criticized her.
See, unlike you I’m not a liar(you can keep repeating the lies as many times as you want but it won’t faze me), I don’t come here with dozens of different names to trick and fool people like you do. Your entire existence on Loonwatch has always been to do damage control for israel. Your pathology is that you’re a Zionist, and I’m a 1000% anti-Zionist, you’re the cockroach, I’m the can of Raid. Your desperation in trying to link to a site I cut off a long time ago(specifically because that person blurred the line between Jews and Zionists) is laughable. You on the other hand always posted links to Zionist sites. You’re nothing more then a recycled hasbaRat brushing your teeth with the droppings of Daniel Pipes and co. Zionists lazily and deceptively accuse all their detractors of being Nazis because that’s all they can do. They have no facts, no figures to justify their criminality. It’s not going to work on me, I’ve been flattening Zionist skunks like you since my high school days, and I know all your dirty tricks. Face reality BMD, you couldn’t debate me on the best day of your pathetic life.
The only Nazi here is you, maggot. That’s why you justified the ethnic cleansing of Palestinians by saying it was ok because the Native Americans got wiped out as well. I wasn’t the only one who called you on it.
Remember how you were arguing that there was NO link between Zionism and Islamophobia? You shut up pretty fast when Dainos put up an article describing just that, and then started playing Labor Zionist instead of the Likudnik that you are.
I also caught you promoting “Sheikh Massimo Pallazi” the Italian Zionist con artist, and after I exposed his fake scholarship and links to Walid Shoebat, Wafa Sultan and Nonie Dervish, you kept on making excuses for him. I even caught you lying about the Quran’s position on Jews and Christians proving that you’re not a Muslim.
When I challenged you up front on Pallazi, the Qur’an and having out IP addresses checked, you took off faster then Federal Express. The challenge still stands.
Either put up or shut up, coward.
December 30th, 2011 at 3:30 am
Why can’t you name your bogeyman straight out?
I don’t need to. What the enemies of humanity do identifies them, no matter what false flag they wave or what mask they wear.
Besides, I don’t want to. Those who follow the enemies into inhuman conduct identify themselves by what they do, and it is the same to them whether we warn them or do not warn them. Why should I make known to them that they have identified themselves and that I know who they are?
And “the enemies of humanity” is the only “name” that includes them all, while any other “name” by which people identify themselves (or are identified) includes the deceived innocent along with the knowingly guilty. Conduct is what identifies both the faithful and the deniers of faith, not any “name.”
The people of the Fire are living in the Fire, the people of the Garden are living in the Garden, whether any of them know that or not. Their ignorance does not make them one or the other, their actions do that. Anyone of either the Fire or the Garden is free to choose to do something that will remove them to the other, from the Fire to the Garden or from the Garden to the Fire. Thought or intention will not condemn you, although either may save you from yourself ~ action is what determines where you are, and with whom you might “conspire.”
The Fire and The Garden are before your eyes ~ choose whichever you desire. Everyone does.
December 30th, 2011 at 5:05 am
Not sure having a troll ID page would work . Some trolls need no introduction there words speak for themselves .
Hey its the internet home of the strange and people changing their IP adress .
As for people being paid provocaters difficult to prove as there are also people who believe all sorts of what others would call bollocks .
For instance in the UK according to the last national census their are more believers in Jedi Knights than Judism
You pays your money and you take your chance .
I should like to point out that I am available for employment as long as it is not at the cost of my principles or based on my spelling.
December 30th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
“Don’t trust anything DrM says without checking the facts yourself. He lies, and is a Jew hater.”
@Inspired by Muhammad
As I’ve said, I’ve lived in Canada for years and I’m familiar with Tarek Fatah scandalous statements about the Canadian and American Muslim Community alike. He often goes as a guess on this show called the “Micheal Coren Show”, hosted by a hardcore Christian Zionist who never hides his deep contempt for anything Islam/Muslims, and T-Fatah did make numerous time some pretty sickening statements there. I also know that T-Fatah feels very comfortable (too comfortable), and mingles quite happily with lots of hardcore Zionists both Jews and Christians that hate Muslims soo deeply it’s hard for them to hide it, and are even proud of it. One example of this its how T-Fatah often dance with a hardcore Zionist Jew named Ezra Levant who detest Muslims so much that basically it comes out from his pores that you smell it miles away, but yet that doesn’t stop T-Fatah to go in bed with him for he admires him. Thus, how can any Muslim trust such individual? who not only shows deep admiration to the most vicious people that are trying hard to harm the very community he’s claiming he’s “from”, but in order to get better pay-checks are willing to say anything to satisfy his Islamophobic buddies, even if it’s endangering the lives of the misrepresented and poorly defended minority he supposedly come “from”?……. So you see, the Muslim Community in Canada knows the likes of T-Fat and the nasty Sale-Mansur(aka Salim Mansur) very well, for they are so sick and tired of them. But since Canadian-Muslims can’t chase them with a broom down the street and off the stage, cause otherwise will be a sure ticket to Gitmo, the best thing to do was to ignore them and their ignorante, uneducated remarks, and to sidelined and avoid them completely like a plague. Therefore, since the Canadian Muslims being so sick of both T-Fatah/Mansur decided to stopped paying attention to them and turn off the switch on their madness, so did I as well. And that’s the reason why I ask @DrM for the link when he suggested that he(T-Fat) went as far as claiming that Muslims(known to T-Fat as “Islamists”) “infiltrated” the US/Canadian governments, which is basically a statement out of the anti-Muslim/Islamophobic books, I did not know he had in him that much hate of his “own” community.
As for DrM’s “lies” and “Jew hating”, I do not know him beside his posts here on LoonWatch, therefore cannot judge, nor confirm your allegations. But what I can say is that from his posts here on this Site, I did not witness what you’re accusing him of. I never saw a post of him “hating Jews”, and if you know of one, then you’ll have to show it to me, but don’t expect me to take it for your words only….. As for his “lies”, again I cannot confirm if he “lies” elsewhere, but a lot of things he says on this very Site make sense, he may shout them, but that doesn’t make them untrue. And I actually do admire him for being straight-forwards with his statements, and I’ve notice that many times, he do say what a lot of us are thinking, but are quit about it for fear of being accused “liars” and “hating” this or that. I also notice he’s quite vocal for the Palestinian cause, but so are many Muslims and Non-Muslims alike. Its true that when one evokes Palestinians suffering, it’s hard to avoid the emotions that are attach to it, thus, it will be hard to say “nice” things about the very people that are oppressing them. And the base for that oppression may be Zionism and those may be Zionists, but they also happen to be Jews as well, or at least claiming to be by following a corrupt version of Judaism. As you may Know, Muslims in the past, or in present, or in future times, never had or don’t have, never will(hopefully)have any problem with Jews for being Jews just because they follow Judaism, for our very book(Qur’an) protect them from such assault. Thus, any Muslim who will dare attack Jews verbally or physically just because they follow Judaism is already condemned in Islam. But one cannot avoid talking about the Zionists who also claim they’re Jews and who are committing crimes that are no longer acceptable in the 21st century against the Palestinian people for the past 70 to 80 years, and that cannot make one a “Jew hater” just because he/she points out the unhumane unjustices. Therefore, there is a big difference between having a problem with a Jew because he/she is following Judaism, and any person who does that must be forcefully condemned, and having a problem with a Jew that embrace the ethnic cleaning ideology that is for the time being associated with Zionism and the state of Isreal. So maybe for your own good, its best for you to make that difference as well before accusing anyone of “Jew hater”, for it is a huge accusation that cannot be made lightly against someone, otherwise it will make you the unjust one. Peace.
December 31st, 2011 at 4:17 pm
@Inspired By Mohammed…
You say “Sam Seed, I don’t know what your background is, are you ignorant or what?”
Huh?
“Do you think someone who uses Nazi rhetoric is an ideal candidate to ‘expose’ T Fat?”
Well I don’t think he uses Nazi rhetoric. You and DrM are enemies, why don’t you become friends.
“Are you aware that DrM sweeps the trash at Judeofascism.com? Respond to this please, because you then cannot object to Islamophobes who do the same to us.”
No, I wasn’t aware of that if that is so then I take back what I said.
“His ‘exposing’ of T-fat, doesn’t excuse his own nefarious links and beliefs.”
Look, I don’t wanna make enemies with you and I don’t think I have cursed you, just sit back and relax. I just don’t get your support for Zionism that I keep seeing in your posts. I admire Mindy I think she’s great. Finally you called me a hypocrite, why is that?