I’ve also noticed that Bell is driven by ignorance and not driven by malice. He linked suicide bombings to Islam but as I pointed out in another thread, suicide is prohibited in Islam.

There is still time that we can change his mindset with a reasonable discussion about the history and theology of Islam. He will come to know that Islam actually had a less bloody history than Christianity and if read within context is actually not that bad, but rather quite progressive for its time.

I think we can save him and then there will be one last Islamophobe in the world.

Btw. I corrected my mistake in calling Muslims a religion to a relgious group in the subsequent post. I actually meant religious group but accidently typed religion.

And if you guys believe Muslims and their allies is an Islamophobic term I won’t use it anymore.

This is the last comment I will make on this thread.

“Eric Allen Bell should stay here and discuss his views with us because unlike Robert Spencer and jihadwatchers he has not yet taken the next logical next step which is to support the forced deportation and genocide of Muslims. We can explain what jihadwatch and like minded sites are about to Eric Bell because right now he’s only getting one side of the story. We can also discuss his views on Islam.”

So jews should enagge with anti-Semites provided they don’t actually advocate physically exterminating us?

African-Americans should engage with white supremacists who don’t actually advocate their forcible deportataion back to Africa?

@Ilisha: You posted this link to DailyKos (Kos’) FAQ on his “content” policies and what will not be acceptable (on pain of banishment) on his forums. As a forum owner myself, with firm standards for welcome discussion on more than one, I recommend that anyone seriously intent on fostering and facilitating fruitful or action-oriented discussion beneficial to humanity (as contrasted with disingenuous contention corrosive to human nature) develop and implement ~ with an unmistakably iron hand ~ such standards.

My standards demand civil manners, integrity, veracity, fidelity, and mutual respect and consideration, and banish pretense, fraudulent representation, hostile or disingenuous insinuation, conflictory subtext, and dishonesty of any kind including irremediable self-deception.

Within those parameters, a relatively small group of well-informed, seasoned professionals, fully engaged in today’s omnibus conflicts with comprehensive perspectives on their personal devotion to every major party (except Christian zionists), have remained in continuous and amicable discussion for over ten years. Muslims, Zionists, Tikkunists, “new school” Evangelicals, and others, all hardcore “soldiers” of their respective parties, are able to discuss ongoing warfare on all levels without bringing the fighting to the table. During those ten years, we have seen a Calvinist militant and two extreme pacifists leave the table, and banished half a dozen others for various treacheries against the purposes of the forums.

LoonWatch appears to have no such articulated standards for participation, whether absolute and comprehensive like mine, or flexible and personal like Kos’. Have I missed seeing a link to a page at LoonWatch analogous to Kos’ FAQ page that includes his wishes? Such a page would be very helpful, at least for me.

@Eric Allen Bell,

You Wrote

“I would respond, but Danios deletes everything I say so that you will think I am in hiding or something. If this comment actually gets posted I will follow it up with some reasoned, rational responses which do not include hate speech – which is something I never involve myself in.”

Than why hasn’t he deleted what you just wrote? Its still here.

Eric Allen Bell should stay here and discuss his views with us because unlike Robert Spencer and jihadwatchers he has not yet taken the next logical next step which is to support the forced deportation and genocide of Muslims. We can explain what jihadwatch and like minded sites are about to Eric Bell because right now he’s only getting one side of the story. We can also discuss his views on Islam.

It is important that we talk to these guys before they become full-fledged jihadwatchers.

Mr Bell has requested the opportunity to respond to accusations, I feel it is only fair that he be given this opportunity. I withhold comment from the rest of this thread because it at times looks like a bunfight.

Jack

“But what other religion took action against him. Only Muslims and their allies did.”

That’s an interesting point, but I’d first need to read if what Bell writes of other Religions is on the same level as his essays on Islam.

@Eric

An honest question, what did you suppose that would happen, if not this?

People such as Eric Bell should be our allies. They will help us reform Islam by criticizing Islam. Remember Christianity was reformed by criticism. The same needs to happen with Islam. But if we help shut people who criticize Islam up we’re blockading that reformation.

One more thing. The guy is an atheist who hates all Abrahamic faiths from what I understand. He writes about it too. But what other religion took action against him. Only Muslims and their allies did. Even after he made a documentary defending Muslim rights to build a mosque. He also writes that he distinguishes between Islam and Muslims.

Furthermore, what he wrote about CAIR (that it likes Hamas or something) is true. Nihad Awad himself praised Hamas.

@JD,

It is not my intent to be a troll. Sorry if I look that way to you. I sometimes play devil’s advocate on this site. Rational-Exchanges with fellow Loonwatch members help strengthen my critical thinking skills and I hope the same is true for other commenters.

Once again, it is not my intent to be a troll.

@Garibaldi,

But Juan Williams made the comments on FOX not NPR. Why should NPR take action? That should’ve been FOX’s job, not that I believe in vigilante justice.

“However,the Juan Williams analogy seems fair to me. Here was a guy who wouldn’t of been fired from NPR had CAIR not put pressure on NPR to dump him. Similarly, I feel as if we are complicit in getting Eric banned and influencing Daily Kos as an outside entity.”

Yes, I did find the firing of Williams troubling, even if he ended up profiting enormously monetarily from being then hired by Fox.

In this case, however, I’m sure how much pressure exerted Loonwatch. I’m fairly convinced Bell would’ve been given the boot from KOS even if he hadn’t mentioned Loonwatch at all. His talk doesn’t seem the kind that would’ve been tolerated at KOS for long.

Seriously – there is some Orwellian double-speak going on here. Danios – do you hear yourself? Calling this guy an Islamaphobe or hate-filled bigot is blatant hyperbole to anyone with half a brain (no offense, Geji). He’s against extremes, be they Muslim, Christian, or other. This is a guy to rationalize with and befriend, not silence and force into the other corner. He’s condemning terrorism and accusing loonwatch of not doing the same – which you adequately and logically rebutted. You should have quit while you were ahead – now you look like an ass.