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Muslims Ban Christmas and Rape White Women, in Latest Latma Satire

Muslims ban Christmas and rape white women, in latest Latma satire

From Latma, the Israeli producers of “We Con the World,” comes a new video,“Christmas in Eurabia”:

A couple things struck me while watching this video. The first was how unfunny it was. The second was how offensive it was. Let’s explore the latter:

The “Eurabia” threat

The video’s title, “Christmas in Eurabia,” refers to a conspiracy theory that white Christian Europe is being systematically overtaken by immigrant hordes of brown-skinned Muslims from Africa, the Middle East, and South Asia. An uninspired cross between “Europe” and “Arabia,” “Eurabia” is the anti-Arab/Islamophobic equivalent of saying “Jew York.”

To these “Eurabists,” the Islamification of Europe is being facilitated by multicultural permissiveness. The Eurabia ideology takes xenophobia, Islamophobia, racism, and nativism—all traits of classic white supremacism—but combines them with ultra-Zionism, as Israel represents the Western bulwark against the Muslim menace.

The English Defence League

The English Defence League

The equivalent in the United States are the pundits, politicians, thinktanks, and officials who rail against the “creeping shar‘ia” threat. Participants in this American, European, and Israeli network of Islamophobic fear-mongering collectively refer to themselves as the “counter-jihad” movement.

The most infamous proponent of the Eurabia conspiracy theory is the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Breivik. Although many Eurabists publicly distance themselves from Breivik and dismiss him as a lone extremist, his 1500-page manifesto actually provides a good introduction to basic Eurabist ideology, and the citations clearly identify the most prominent voices in the “counter-jihad” movement. It is instructive to compare the message of Latma’s “Christmas in Eurabia” to the Breivik manifesto in one instance.

First they kill Santa Claus, then they rape your white daughters

As the “Christmas in Eurabia” video goes through its verses, the locale switches from London to Paris to Oslo. When it reaches Oslo, a Norwegian man (portrayed by Latma regular Noam Jacobson) instructs his daughter:

When they rape you, don’t object,
For that is politically incorrect.

The idea that Muslims are employing rape as systematic warfare against white (non-Muslim) women is popular among Eurabists. Breivik’s manifesto is littered with such references. Here is a sampling:

The incidence of rapes carried out by Muslim men in Norway against non-Muslim women is many times higher than rapes by non-Muslim men….

We have had several recent cases where native girls have been gang raped by immigrants in the heart of the EU capital….

Native Swedes are raped, stabbed, killed and chased out of their homes by Muslim gangs….

The massive wave of violence and especially rapes in Western cities now is a form of warfare against whites, and it’s about time it is recognised as such.

Are not the notorious “gang rapes” another example of collective violence to European women….

…Britons whose teenage daughters are being sexually abused and gang raped by various races who hate whites.

The Muslims therefore takes [sic] advantage of their Allah-given prerogative to rape, kill and steal from Europeans as they view this as the spoils of war.

Muslim drug traffickers/dealers all across Europe…mak[e] their subjects addicted to heroin… when “processing” non-Muslim girls for sexual/financial exploitation.

[Muslims] have…raped more than 500,000 European women…

…more than 1 million European women raped [by Muslims]…

Many European girls/women have been raped multiple times. Ratio is an average 200 rapes per 100,000 Muslims annually.

Moreover the connection between “Muslim-on-White rape” and political correctness, as depicted in the video, is expressed frequently in Breivik’s manifesto. The primary facilitator of mixed-race rape is multiculturalism:

Tellingly, when black gang members stab each other or gang rape a white teenage girl or when Muslim jihadists blow up buses and trains filled with innocent people the first concern of the guardians of multiculturalism will be to minimise the racial aspect of these events…

Make no mistake. These Muslims must be considered as wild animals. Do not blame the wild animals but rather the multiculturalist…traitors who allowed these
animals to enter our lands, and continue to facilitate them.

As a result of [multiculturalism]… more than 500 000 European women have been raped…

Fellow Islamophobe and Eurabist Pamela Geller explained that “Breivik was targeting the future leaders of the party responsible for flooding Norway with Muslims who refuse to assimilate, who commit major violence against Norwegian natives, including violent gang rapes…”

In the “Christmas in Eurabia” video, mulitculturalism is depicted as permitting Muslims to commit violence against non-Muslims:

     Someone burned my car, oh pity.

     That’s what happens when you tease
Islam, the greatest creed of peace.

     But it makes me feel so jolly,
Proves that multi-culti’s holy

And what is the only “Western” nation not incapacitated by multiculturalism? Israel. Again, from the manifesto:

The truth is that Israelis defend themselves so that their daughters do not have to suffer rape at the hands of Muslim Jihadists, the way the
authorities in Western European countries, and in Sweden in particular, allow to happen every single day.

To be clear, the fear of white women being raped by brown hordes is not based on personal concern for the women themselves, but on concern for the purity of Western heritage. To Eurabists, feminism is as responsible as mulitculturalism for the downfall of Western society:

As a Western man, I would be tempted to say that Western women have to some extent brought this upon themselves. They have been waging an ideological, psychological and economic war against European men for several generations now.

The “Muslim rape wave” myth

Why does the “Christmas in Eurabia” video jump from London to Paris and then to Oslo, where a Norwegian man tells his daughter to let Muslims rape her? Aside from the general tastelessness of the video, isn’t it especially inappropriate to focus on Norway, the site of the recent killings by Anders Breivik, whose crimes were motivated by a fear of creeping Eurabia and the raping of white women by hordes of Muslim immigrants?

A possible explanation lies in a pair of fabricated stories reported by the Israeli settler news site Arutz Sheva. Last June, Arutz Sheva “reporter” Gil Ronen wrote an article entitled “Police Report: All Assault Rapists in Oslo Follow Muhammad,”and he recently followed up on this story with another report, “Muslim ‘Rape Wave’ Reported in Oslo, Ministers Blame Israel.” The articles alleged that Norway was “suffering from an unprecedented wave of rapes that are largely being perpetrated by Muslim immigrants against local women,” based on statistics in an Oslo police report. Moreover, Norwegian “government ministers, most of them avowed anti-Semites, claimed that the report and its publication serve Israel and its policy of occupation,” with Norway’s justice minister declaring, “Israel must be glad to hear about it.”

However, the source for these stories was a single person living in Israel, a blogger named Yehuda Bello who was described by Ronen as “acclaimed,” “well-acquainted with Norwegian culture,” and as someone “who understands Norwegian and has Norwegian contacts.”

Then the story started falling apart. Arutz Sheva inexplicably removed references to the supposed anti-Semitic Norwegian ministers, while Boston University professor and Eurabist nut Richard Landes attempted to corroborate the story about the ministers, to no avail.

Meanwhile, writer Farha Khaled did what Gil Ronen and Arutz Sheva failed to do: she provided a link to the actual Norwegian police report and inquired with the Norwegian justice ministry about the statistics. The ministry’s response:

The Oslo Police District has given a report of rapes in Oslo in 2010. The report shows that for all types of rape, except assault rape, European perpetrators are in the majority, and they are mostly Norwegian. Assault rapes covers only five identified unique person. These have all a foreign origin. The number is however, so low that it does not provide a basis for drawing conclusions with regard to country of origin. Two of them were very young (under 18) and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses and cannot be regarded as representative of their ethnic culture. It is highlighted in the report that generalizations like “Oslo’s rapists are foreigners,” which have been seen in media, are wrong. The report gives no statistics regarding religion of rapists.

While Oslo has indeed been rocked with what has been termed a “rape wave,” authorities are still attempting to identify the culprits and causes, even suspecting the involvement of a serial rapist. Besides, if a “wave” of rapes signals a higher than statistically normal number of occurrences, one cannot necessarily refer to statistics preceding the wave to determine the identities of the current perpetrators.

Interestingly, Gil Ronen had cited another person as an authority on “Muslim rape waves”: the then-pseudonymous Eurabist blogger known as “Fjordman,” who was a primary inspiration for Anders Breivik. Much of Breivik’s manifesto was authored by Fjordman. In the June Arutz Sheva article, Ronen approvingly cited Fjordman’s warning about an earlier “immigrant [and Muslim] rape wave in Sweden,” from back in 2005.

Such reports of hordes of brown-skinned attackers may be familiar to people living in the US in the 1990s, when the media promulgated sensational reports of“wilding” and of African American and Latino “superpredators,” along with today’s recurrent media warnings of “immigrant crime waves.”

As we should be aware, the notion of brown men defiling white women is not a specifically Eurabist scare. It has long been the pinnacle of white supremacist and xenophobic fears, and has long been evoked to justify the oppression and expulsion of brown peoples.

In 1900, South Carolina Senator Benjamin “Pitchfork Ben” Tillman, proclaimed this justification for the lynchings of African American men:

We of the South have never recognized the right of the negro to govern white men, and we never will. We have never believed him to be equal to the white man, and we will not submit to his gratifying his lust on our wives and daughters without lynching him. I would to God the last one of them was in Africa and that none of them had ever been brought to our shores.

I am reminded of a white supremacist cartoon that I once had the misfortune to see. The cartoon, attacking miscegenation, depicted a black man hooking up with a white woman—with the act being orchestrated by a Jewish man. Both the black man and the Jewish man were drawn as hideous caricatures that highlighted stereotypical features. The Eurabist scare, whether portrayed through Breivik’s manifesto or Latma’s YouTube video, is an extension of the offensive cartoon, lacking only in the stereotypical Jew.

(Update: Ali Abunimah has more information about the Muslim rape wave myth on his blog.)

Is Latma a fringe group?

If we define fringe solely by the validity of one’s viewpoints, then Latma, which produced the “Christmas in Eurabia” video, would definitely be fringe. However, if we define fringe as lacking in popular representation and influence and thus negligible, Latma would not qualify.

Latma head director Shlomo Blass has worked on projects for the Likud party, the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs, and the Adelson Institute for Strategic Studies. Earlier this year, Blass collaborated with StandWithUs to produce a propaganda video for the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. The video, starring Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, was a copy of a settler video for the YESHA Council, with virtually the same storyboard and script, and which was also produced by Blass. The message in both videos were the same: the West Bank belongs to Israel.

Blass was recently commissioned to create another video for the Ministry, again starring Danny Ayalon, and this time purporting to address the issue of Palestinian refugees (of which Ayalon is not one).

Blass also produced the video “Israel’s Critical Security Needs for a Viable Peace”for the Jerusalem Center for Public Affairs. This explained that in any future negotiations with the Palestinians, Israel would retain Jordan Valley, would control the West Bank airspace and roadways, and would reshape the West Bank borders to Israel’s liking.

More prominent than Blass is Latma’s chief editor, Caroline Glick, who also serves as the deputy managing editor of the Jerusalem Post.

Both Glick and Blass starred in Latma’s infamous “We Con the World” video, which ridiculed the Mavi Marmara massacre and portrayed the Gaza flotilla as an Arab/Muslim/Turkish plot to deceive the world into hating Israel.

Caroline Glick, impersonating an Arab or a Muslim or a Turk—or perhaps a crazy Jewish woman from Chicago with a knife. Shlomo Blass can be seen behind her.

Caroline Glick, impersonating an Arab or a Muslim or a Turk—or perhaps a crazy Jewish woman from Chicago with a knife. Shlomo Blass can be seen behind her.

The video link to “We Con the World” was distributed to foreign media via the Israeli government press office. After the video was criticized internationally for its racist content, its tasteless response to the killings of nine people, and its contradiction of Israel’s self-portrayal as reluctant killers, the Israeli government claimed that the link was distributed in error. However, press officer director Danny Seaman still insisted that the video was “fantastic,” and Israeli government spokesperson Mark Regev said, “I thought it was funny…It is what Israelis feel. But the government has nothing to do with it.”

In 2010, Beit Hatfutsot, the Museum of the Jewish People, based in Tel Aviv University, presented Latma with the NADAV Peoplehood Award, claiming that the “We Con the World” video “made many Jews feel proud in a time of conflict and tension for our people.”

Earlier this year, Israeli Channel One partially funded Latma to film a pilot for aweekly TV program in the style of Latma’s offensive YouTube videos.

Latma’s funder: The Center for Security Policy

Although Latma operates in Israel, it acts as an initiative of the Center for Security Policy (CSP), a 501(c)(3) and DC-based think tank, where Caroline Glick serves as the senior fellow for Middle Eastern Affairs. The CSP motto is, no joke, “Peace through Strength.”

Big Eagle is watching you.

Big Eagle is watching you.

The CSP made waves at the start of the Iraq War as part of the neocon network that was planning for US wars in Iraq and elsewhere. Indeed the CSP National Security Advisory Council has at times included prominent Bush era neocons, such as Richard Perle, Douglas Feith, Elliott Abrams, and Dov Zakheim, as well as Dick Cheney.

CSP’s founder and president is neocon lunatic Frank Gaffney, who accused Saddam Hussein of orchestrating the Oklahoma City bombing and the 1993 World Trade Center attack. More recently, Gaffney took up the “birther” cause and warned that Obama “not only identifies with Muslims, but actually may still be one himself.”

Gaffney also railed against “Obama’s pandering to the radical homosexual agenda” and the “Obama/homosexual agenda” (in an article strangely placed under a section of the website titled “The Shariah Threat”).

The CSP helped organize the campaign against the Park51 Islamic Center and has been prominent in pushing the “shar‘ia law” scare in the US. Last year, the CSP published a report, Shariah: The Threat to America, co-authored by David Yerushalmi, who has been paid over $270,000 as CSP’s general counsel.

Yerushalmi, who also serves as the attorney for Pamela Geller and Gaffney, is an Orthodox Jew with a penchant for making the most blatantly offensive statements. In an essay entitled “On Race: A Tentative Discussion,” Yerushalmi attempted to justify addressing “blacks as the most murderous of peoples (at least in New York City)” and explained that “there is a reason the founding fathers did not give women or black slaves the right to vote,” since these founders had an “understanding of human nature and its affect on political society.”

On his own website, Yerushalmi stated that

The Jews it seems are the bane of Western society… the Jewish problem for conservatives is a…quite interesting affair. It is most interesting because so much of what drives it is true and accurate… The conservative variety simply professes to uncover the many and varied ways Jews destroy their host nations like a fatal parasite, especially when the host is a Western nation-state… In response, one must admit readily that the radical liberal Jew is a fact of the West and a destructive one.

And when Mel Gibson made his famous anti-Semitic remarks, Yerushalmi defended him by saying

That Gibson sees Jews in an unfavorable light is only irrational if one wishes to make the argument that secular liberal Jews are not in fact the leading proponents of all forms of anti-Western, anti-American, anti-Christian movements, campaigns, and ideologies.

Yerushalmi also campaigned against the Park51 Islamic Center by forming the Freedom Defense Initiative with Pamela Geller and John Joseph Jay, a fellow “counter-jihadist” who advocates killing Muslims and members of the Service Employees International Union(!).

As the Center for American Progress demonstrated, Yerushalmi prepared an “anti-shari‘a” draft legislation that has served as the model for proposed legislation in many states.

Such a congregation of Islamophobic, homophobic, racist whackjobs would be easily dismissed if the CSP and its affiliated network of Islamophobes did not have such immediate access to the media and to government officials, along with access to a multimillion dollar budget. It’s through CSP that Latma’s videos are realized.

The CSP website proudly features “Christmas in Eurabia” on its home page, and Caroline Glick needs an editor.

The CSP website proudly features “Christmas in Eurabia” on its home page, and Caroline Glick needs an editor.

It is thus no surprise that Frank Gaffney, the CSP, and Caroline Glick are all cited and quoted as authorities in Breivik’s manifesto.

Is Caroline Glick a Nazi according to the Jerusalem Post?

On July 24, two days after the Anders Breivik killings, the Jerusalem Post issued an editorial warning that the massacre should not be allowed to be “manipulated” by the Left in such a way as to raise public concern that right-wing extremism was a “real danger facing contemporary Europe,” since the “real underlying problems faced not only by Norway, but by many Western European nations” was the “abject failure of multiculturalism.” That is, the real danger to Europe was the danger Anders Breivik warned about, and over which Breivik committed his killing spree.

An outcry against the editorial was inevitable, and so was the subsequent apology, which the Post issued on August 4, and which included the following statement:

It later emerged that Breivik, a Christian radical, had posted on the Internet an extremely anti-Muslim manifesto that supported far-right nationalism and Zionism.

He apparently feared that a “Muslim colonization” of Europe would destroy Norway.

This is certainly not the kind of support Israel needs. It is the type of Islamophobia that is all too reminiscent of the Nazis’ attitude toward the Jews. Jews, Muslims and Christians in Israel and around the world should be standing together against such hate crimes.

Yet the “Muslim colonization” of the West is exactly what the “Christmas in Eurabia” video is about and is the focal obsession of Eurabists and the so-called “counter-jihadist” movement that includes Caroline Glick and the Center for Security Policy.

Thus, if we are to take the Post’s apology at face value, we would have to accept that Glick’s sentiments, along with Latma’s, are “the type of Islamophobia that is all too reminiscent of the Nazis’ attitude toward the Jews.”

On August 8, Glick responded in the Jerusalem Post with a piece entitled“Norway’s Jewish Problem.” Regarding the Post’s apology editorial, Glick stated, “I was not consulted about this editorial ahead of time, and the editorial does not reflect my views,” implying that the earlier July 24 editorial did reflect and still reflected her views.

Glick refused to apologize, instead labeling her critics anti-Semites and attacking Norway for its pervasive “climate of hatred towards Israel and Jews.” She reminded her readers that Norway was invaded and occupied by the Nazis, and thus Norwegian officials may still be Nazi collaborators. She produced names of Norwegians she didn’t like, such as the humanitarian doctors Erik Fosse and Mads Gilbert. Glick also claimed that “Judaism [is] the only religion that cannot be freely practiced in Norway.”

In a strange expression of moral superiority, she condemned Breivik’s actions, she said, even though Breivik’s victims “had obvious animosity towards Israel and sympathy for genocidal, Jew hating Hamas terrorists.” She concluded by stating that Norway owed her an apology but that no apology from Norway would be enough for her.

Apart from the fact that her long list of things to hate about Norway includes no mention of Norwegian black metal, the main thing that stands out in Glick’s opinion piece is this religious paradox: Glick is more concerned about Christmas being banned in a hypothetical Muslim Norway than she is concerned about Judaism already being banned in a non-Muslim Norway. This indicates either misplaced priorities or an inability to keep her fear mongering “facts” straight. That is, when she wants to criticize Norway, she warns that Jews are unsafe in Norway; when she wants to criticize Muslims, she warns that Christians are unsafe in Norway. Or else, she wants to protect the Jew-hating Norwegians from the Christian-hating Muslims.

Complicated? It’s simply a matter of who Caroline Glick hates most at the moment.

“Christmas in Jewrabia”

For an Israeli group that purports to satirize current events, Latma seems to have overlooked the irony of producing a video about a Muslim war on Christmas while their own government expresses hostility toward Christmas in the name of Jewish nationalism.

Take the case of Nazareth Illit, a suburb of the Nazareth that was the childhood home of Jesus. This year, when Palestinian Christians asked the mayor of Nazareth Illit to permit the placement of festive Christmas trees, similar to the enormous menorahs already on display in the town, the mayor refused. His reasoning:

The request of the Arabs to put Christmas trees in the squares in the Arab quarter of Nazareth Illit is provocative…Nazareth Illit is a Jewish city and it will not happen—not this year and not next year, so long as I am a mayor.

The mayor’s stance was supported by the town’s chief rabbi, Isaiah Herzl, who said that Christmas trees were “offensive to Jewish eyes.”

Never mind that the area of Nazareth was Palestinian Arab and largely Christian before Israel seized the land. In fact, during the imposition of the State of Israel in 1948, Nazareth was slated for ethnic cleansing, saved only when an Israeli officer refused to follow orders and instead decided to honor the agreement made with the town’s inhabitants during their capitulation. Nazareth Illit was constructed in the following decade in order to Judaize the area and offset the Palestinian majority.

In 1954, IDF Planning Department Director Yuval Ne’eman explained that the purpose of Nazareth Illit was to “emphasize and safeguard the Jewish character of the Galilee as a whole, and … demonstrate state sovereignty to the Arab population more than any other settlement operation.” Northern Military Governor Colonel Mikhael Mikhael elaborated that Nazareth Illit would “swallow up” Nazareth proper through the “growth of the Jewish population around a hard-core group” and “the transfer of the center of gravity of life from Nazareth to the Jewish neighborhood.”

And let’s not forget the Israeli Ministry of Absorption’s own war on Christmas, when it recently produced a video warning Jewish Israeli expatriates in the US to return home, lest their children end up wishing a merry Christmas to the grandparents.

Israel, which side of the War on Christmas are you on?

Israel, which side of the War on Christmas are you on?

Even Muslim camels are racially inferior

There’s one final thing to be said about the “Christmas in Eurabia” video. At one point, a camel can be seen walking through the Islamized streets of Norway. The connotation is that Muslim immigration will bring backwardness to European civilization, as represented by the orientalist trope of the Middle Eastern camel.

The irony here is that to diaspora Zionists in the west, the camel has positive connotations associated with the Jewish homeland, as evidenced in these pictures from this year’s “Celebrate Israel” parade in New York.

This can also be seen in Birthright trips, where the camel ride is a staple of the program to induce an emotional attachment to Israel:

How do we reconcile the contradictory connotations? Camels associated with Muslims/Arabs—as in the “Eurabia” video—are a symbol of oriental backwardness, to be contrasted with the technically advanced western Israeli civilization. It is an Israeli rejection of geographical realities, as Israel is seen to have more in common with Europe than with the Middle East.

However, camels associated with Israel—as seen through the idealized eyes of Zionists in the West—are a symbol of exotic wonder, rooting the Western diaspora Jew in a place that is magical and historically profound, symbolizing a deep yet constructed heritage. Here, the camel is part of Israel’s geography, as the camel, like the land, has been conquered by the Ashkenazi pioneers, and so too have the native Bedouins been conquered and thus now prepare the camel rides for the Birthright tourists as part of the contrived Bedouin experience.

Banner from a website promoting Birthright

Banner from a website promoting Birthright

“The Tribal Update”

When “Eurabia” becomes a reality, who knows what those nefarious Muslims will do? Once they outlaw Christmas, what will follow? Will they ban church bells?Demolish non-Muslim homes? Flatten complete villagesEvict non-Muslim residents for Muslim ones? Impose mass population transfers? Eliminate civil marriages? View non-Muslims in Europe as a “demographic threat”? Establishsegregated roads? Enact laws that favor Muslims? Require loyalty oaths to Europe as a “Muslim and democratic” continent? The possibilities that Latma can take their “Eurabia” scenario are endless, and they just need to look at home for inspiration.

But “Christmas in Eurabia” and “We Con the World” are only samples in the Latma YouTube video series known as “The Tribal Update.” Here are some others.

This video mocks the notion that Palestinians are indigenous to the land:

And in a skit entitled “Palestinian Eskimos,” the denial of the existence of the Palestinian people turns into a gratuitous joke at the expense of another oppressed indigenous population, the Inuit.

Another video depicts the UN as filled with incompetent Third Worlders such as an African ambassador who is so uneducated he can’t find Israel on the map.

And a slant-eyed ambassador eating rice.

Rahm Emanuel is depicted as a Jew-traitor.

Barack Obama is a Muslim anti-Semite.

If the Obama blackface is too subtle, here’s Noam Jacobson playing “Kazabubu the Jewish Cannibal,” in a skit that ridicules black African “Jews” making aliyah.

In case you don’t understand Latma’s sense of humor, you’re supposed to laugh as Kazabubu babbles in his stupid African gibberish: “Bu ta le bo bo bi de bbbbbbbbb”—thus demonstrating that he is of inferior stock to the real Jews such as Noam Jacobson and Caroline Glick.

Most of the videos are Israeli talking points expressed by critics of Israel (and semi-critics of Israel) in racist caricature. The humor relies on an elitist nationalist perspective that can be boiled down to this: The world hates Israel, but the world outside of Israel is just a bunch of ignorant Africans, rice-eating chinks, bloodthirsty Muslims, self-hating Jews, and white multiculturalists asking to be raped. Ha ha.

The sheer racism of Noam Jacobson is matched only by his cluelessness, as he fails to understand why his offensive “comedy” skits elicit such hatred—concluding that he is a victim of the world’s hatred against Israel and the Jews. The fact that people would hurl anti-Semitic slurs—unjustified yet unsurprising—against him after watching his racist videos somehow proves that he is doing the right thing. As Jacobson explained to a reporter, “When you see the talkbacks, you know what you’re fighting for.”

Such a remark, made without irony, and published in an article with the incredulous headline, “Fighting the New Blood Libel”—against the backdrop of blatantly racist videos such as “Kazabubu the Jewish Cannibal”—just goes to show what anyone who has sat through a video produced by Noam Jacobson and his Latma colleagues already understands: they have no sense of humor.

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  • Garibaldi

    I will be closing this comment section. I don’t think Jews or Muslims are trying to ban Christmas, and that is the position of Loonwatch.

  • I wrote: I’ll guess that three or four LoonWatchers might enjoy reading it. (essentially a brief overview of human history)

    Dominions of Faith: Humanity is the Crown of Creation is on the Muslim America website.

  • Sorry, let me fix the first sentence in my last comment what I meant to say was “Okay, than you don’t think all Jews are bad.” Sorry about that, I need to do a better job editing my comments before I post them.

  • Isa,

    Okay, than you don’t think are Jews are bad. Good.

    Still If you read what Hajj Dawud has written about the Noahides he makes it sound like he thinks that they are a bigger threat to American freedom than the radical right wing Christians which includes to Dominionists. Noahides, are Jews. The might be Jewish extremists, but even if they are it make no sense to say they are a bigger threat to America than the radical Christian fundamentalists. He than blamed them for things that the left supports, but the religious right vehemently opposes, such the government no longer sponsoring prayer in public schools, which is something I support, but that’s beyond the point. He also blames them for the legalization of gay marriage. Anyway, am I to believe that Noahides support those things, and the American religious right supports them, even through they don’t support that stuff? While the left tends to support that stuff, they are more likely not to support Israel, yet am I to believe the Noahides don’t support Israel? He’s also made it sound like rabbis who are Noahides have written our laws. Now the Noahides maybe a genuine extremist Jewish organization, but they still won’t be a major threat to American freedom, since they’ll have no real chance of gaining power in the US, since Jews are a small minority here.

    Look at the statistics, according to this website, the state with the highest percentage of Jews in the United States is New York, and its not even ten percent.

    The Largest Jewish Communities
    http://www.adherents.com/largecom/com_judaism.html

    Now If the Noahides are Jews who support things banning Christmas, like I said earlier, in the United States, they are a minority with a minority, yet you insisted that

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    If the Dominionists “won”, the Noahides would probably be able to practice their faith, but not the other way around since the Noahides view Christians as idol worshipers.
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    You made it sound like if the Domininionists won, the Noahides would take over and persecute American Christians. Why should I take that statement seriously, especially given the fact that like I said earlier Dominionists are Christians, and Christianity is the majority religion in the United States? Do you think the religious right, or American Christians in general would just let a tiny religious minority persecute them like that? Even if the Noahides actually do have plans for world domination, there’s no way they could succeed. I have about as much reason to fear them taking over the US as I have to fear some Muslim extremist group taking over the US. Its not going to happen. If they happen to support any of our laws, than they support laws that have wide spread support among the Christian right, or the secular left. They won’t be able to oppress us. Even if you or Hajji Dawud are not talking about Jews in general, that is absurd. In fact its even more absurd if most American Jews do not support them, and see no reason to think that most of them do.

  • @Binyamin, continuing our discussion of the Law of Noah, Chabad Lubavitch, and Christmas:

    Your article quotes Genesis 9:9 … ‘Behold, I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you.’

    Just as the Torah is part of the Covenant of Israel, so also is the Law sent down to Noah part of the Covenant He established with Noah. In both cases, the Law was sent down pursuant to the Covenant and is distinguished from it. Only in the Qur’an is the Covenant explicitly articulated.

    The Torah contains the Law sent down with Moses, pursuant to the Covenant of Israel ~ which is not set forth in the Torah. The Torah also contains some explicit elements of the Law sent down with Noah, pursuant to the Covenant established with Noah which also is not set forth in the Torah. The Torah contains those elements of the Law sent down with Noah that the Children of Israel need to accept as Law pertaining to themselves. Other elements of the Law sent down with Noah are applicable only to those who enter into the Covenant established with Noah, in the same manner that the Children of Israel enter into the Covenant of Israel by their Bar or Bat Mitzvah. Those elements are not contained in the Torah.

    In other words, the rabbis don’t write the Law sent down with Noah ~ God did that. What the rabbis write as “the Noachide Laws” are not the Law sent down with Noah, but only some of it, along with rabbinical speculation based on the Torah and the Talmud.

    So: Does Chabad Lubavitch have a right to promote as “the Noachide Laws” that rabbinical speculation that is NOT the Law of Noah?

    If so, then do I, as one who has entered into a Covenant of Abraham later than the Covenant of Israel, have a right to promote our understanding of the Law of Moses as “the Jewish Laws”?

    I don’t argue against the proposition that Israel has a right to administer the Law of Noah ~ with respect to non-Jews residing in Israel where the Children of Israel have sovereign jurisdiction ~ according to the rabbinical understanding. Nor do I argue against the proposition that rabbinical courts, in places where the Children of Israel do not have sovereign jurisdiction ~ such as in the Diaspora among the nations ~ may, by explicit agreement or treaty, administer the Law of Noah with respect to non-Jews living within Jewish communities or elsewhere within a given sovereign jurisdiction, again according to the rabbinical understanding. In other words, I have no problem with the Congressional Resolution recognizing the foundations of American secular law in the “Noachide Laws” propounded by the rabbis.

    But what business do the rabbis have, telling people of another Covenant what the Law of Noah is and entails, other than within a legitimate, explicitly established Israeli jurisdiction where the Torah Law and understanding is to be applied? The Covenant of Noah is no less “revelation” than the Covenant of Israel, and the fact that the Children of Israel were chosen to disclose the revelatory character of human nature to mankind does not make RamBam’s claim of “adequate reasoning powers,” as against the “inadequate reasoning powers” of “non-Jews living under Jewish rule,” because he “saw revelation as the clearest form of reason,” remotely tenable ~ even when he was serving in the muslim courts of Fatimid Egypt, where he wrote that claim.

    No one offered Maimonides any “correction” or “admonition,” from muslim mu’arifeen who certainly knew the Law of Moses as well as or better than he did, of his codification of Sanhedrin Talmudic law. How the people of Israel understand and apply their laws is absolutely the business of the people of Israel, who bear exclusive responsibility for what they do, just as how muslims understand and apply the Law of the Qur’an is the business of each individual muslim, who bears sole responsibility for what he or he does. The same is true of those who have entered into the Covenant of Noah ~ how they understand and apply the Law of Noah that only they know in its entirety is strictly their affair. At least one Jewish jurist cited in your article has said this: “Nahmanides’ approach requires non-Jews to legislate on these matters, but the details and formulation of the legislation are left to their discretion.” The rabbinical understanding is that “non-Jews” are required by the Law of Noah to govern themselves according to their own understanding ~ as if people are not free to adopt and embrace God’s Laws according to their own choice, or not.

    But Maimonides’ “adequate reasoning powers” failed him when he attempted to understand revelatory Covenant Law. All of Noah’s progeny receive revelation in one form or another. Moses received The Book, and God spoke with him directly, face-to-face, while with everyone else ~ including Jesus and Muhammad ~ He speaks through Jibreel (“Gabriel”) or from behind a veil (such as in dreams and visions), or through everyday “common-sense” Guidance. Life as a human being is entirely a revelatory experience ~ that is an essential part of human nature, that we need to experience in order to carry out the purpose for which He created us ~ to collectively exercise dominion, in His stead, over His creation. We have been doing that without using our revelatory faculties since God closed His Mind to Adam, except in a few instances: with Noah, Abraham, Moses, David, Solomon, Jesus, and Muhammad, and with others of whom He has not specifically informed us.

    Since the later Middle Ages, Jews have acknowledged that the Christian doctrine of the Trinity was not the same as idolatry, and they were also recognized as Noahides.

    Well, it’s nice to know that although calling himself God (which he didn’t do) would have been a capital crime for Jesus, worshiping a Jew is legal in Israel.

  • Binyamin Says: The Noahide laws are for non Jews, they are nothing sinister.

    The Law given to Noah is for all of His creatures, including Jews.

    Chabad Lubavitch have every right to promote them.

    Every one of His creatures has a right to promote them and to act in accordance with any or all of them.

    [See:] The Noahide Laws

    Thank you for providing a Jewish understanding of some elements of the Law revealed to Noah. I particularly appreciate seeing that “The late Rabbi Menahem Mendel Schneerson, the last leader of Lubavitch Hasidism,” wrote:

    “We must do everything possible to ensure that the seven Noahide laws are observed. If this can be accomplished through force or through other kinder and more peaceful means through explaining to non-Jews that they should accept God’s wishes [we should do so] … Anyone who is able to influence a non-Jew in any way to keep the seven commandments is obligated to do so, since that is what God commanded Moses our teacher.”

    I’ll add to that: The Lubavitch movement’s infrastructure has expanded almost 30 percent since the Rebbe’s death [in 1994]. It has become a world-wide Jewish outreach movement. More than 3,700 emissary couples work in more than 100 countries worldwide. Since 1995, more than 400 shlichim (emissaries) were assigned to new posts and more than 500 new Chabad institutions have been established, bringing the total to nearly 2,600 institutions (seminaries, day camps, schools, etc) worldwide. According to headquarters, almost one million children participate[d] in Chabad activities worldwide in 1999.

    So much for the fairy tale that Chabad Lubavitch is an “insignificant lunatic fringe group.” These are some serious, faithful, devoted, studious, reasonable, loving, peaceful, thoughtful, hard-working people totally dedicated to jihad in the way of God according to His Messenger Moses, and no muslim could do anything but love them, no matter how confused they are about the Covenant of Israel that was falsified by their ancient predecessors. They have their work, and we have our work, and I’ll defend them against anyone who tries to attack them for their efforts to abolish Christmas (that I do not support).

    But to continue regarding “Muslims Ban Christmas” and the origins of that nonsense … in my immediately following comment …

  • Isa

    “Jesus is not the Messiah in Judaism but the problem is bigger than that. Jesus is a deity to Christians, that belief violates the First Commandment. Hamas and Hizbollah, and Islamic Jihad have nefarious ties to terrorism, but they call themselves ‘Muslims’. We can declare Islam a threat then? You could learn what Noahides really believe instead of believing anti-semitic conspiracies.”

    Peace be upon you. Who said anything about anti-semitic conspiracy theories? I think you are jumping the gun, here. My post mentioned Rightwing Noahides and Dominionists. I don’t recall saying anything about all Jews or Judaism in general. I didn’t do research on Noahides and Dominionists from Antisemitic sources; I didn’t even know Antisemites even talk about Noahides.

  • @Binyamin,

    Thank you

  • @Binyamin,

    I’m so glad I’m not the only one here refuting Hajji Dawud’s conspiracy theory.

  • Lilly

    Binyamin, thank you for the enlightening explanation. 🙂

  • You’re not helping fight Islamophobia with this antisemitic conspiracy theory.

    Bollocks. Noticing that a party of religious people would like to see the world governed by their understanding of their religion is no more “anti-semitic” or a “conspiracy theory” than noticing that the Republican Party wants to see America governed by their understanding of the Constitution. And the fact is that the Republican Party is almost as much of a “fringe minority” as the “religious right” and the Lubavitchers ~ the last time I checked, fewer than a fifth of the American people voted, and the country is being run by about one-tenth of the population ~ or maybe half of the “one percent” that pay for the campaign promises that sucker the sheep into voting for the nine hundred conspirators running for Congress.

    People like you are like people who complain about the weather but never look out the window to see whether it’s raining. You identify people who openly say they want to rule the nations with an iron rod, but appear to forget that they learned to want that from some other people with the same expectation ~ and when someone notices that a few of those other people are also openly saying the same thing, you imagine that’s some kind of “antisemitic conspiracy theory.” That’s either idiocy or propaganda, or both.

    The only real power of the ballot is in bloc-voting. Muslims in Florida elected George Bush. The loons are screaming about a new voting block in domestic electoral politics ~ it’s real, it exists, and it’s more politically stupid than every other voting block, so it’s a threat to all kinds of agendas.

    The people who own the loons don’t fear “terrorism,” they buy terrorism, like that “Templar” maniac who slaughtered scores of children in Europe, inspired by the loons. They see a threat to their illegitimate power to shape government policy in their own “special interest,” whether it’s taxes, military spending (on their products), dealing drugs that are more expensive than heroin and cocaine and having the taxpayers pay for them at registered pharmacies, or “foreign policy” for or against the countries of their choice, or preserving their “freedom” to buy elections and candidates.

    So pay attention ~ rinse out some of the soap between your ears, left behind by your brainwashing, and try to understand what I said that has you in such a tizzy …

    “Muslims want to abolish Christmas!”

    What a stupid notion ~ where would anyone come up with such a lame-brained idea?

    Well looky here … here’s a party of religious extremists over a century old, with “friends in government” in America and all over the world, who tutor “Noachides” who sit in pulpits all across the country, who Lo! and Behold! Have an agenda to abolish Christmas.

    Christmas, the biggest cash cow for the retail consumer industry, and a major component of the opium of the people who elected Ronald Reagan. Christmas, the most popular holiday in the English-speaking world except America, where it runs a close second to the Fourth of July weekend in popularity and retail sales. Christmas, when “shepherds tended their flocks at night” in the dead of winter ~ indeed, at the winter solstice, when Nimrod the Son of God was born, along with dozens more sons of God, a day celebrated because half of the darker period of shortened days was over and spring was on its way. Christmas, that just happens to run afoul of the religious laws of some people living in an apocalyptic future they think is just around the corner, as soon as their recently-deceased Mashiach returns from the grave.

    That’s where the loons came up with the notion that “the muslims want to abolish Christmas.” The way they came up with this laughable idiocy is just as laughably idiotic as the notion itself.

    And like clockwork, there you come: “Oy! Vey! Vill our sufferink neffer end? All they talk about is our crazy Aunt Sophie living in the attic who never goes out ~ no wonder everyone hates us.”

    But Aunt Sophie isn’t in the attic. She’s out there preaching pure, unadulterated, fully articulated ultra-orthodox Talmudic Judaism ~ “abolish Christmas.” The loons are painting muslims in zionist colors with a zionist brush.

    And are there muslims who wear the paint? There certainly are, and the loons make them larger than life. That’s the plan.

    So get a clue: Jewish people don’t play that zionist tune. And neither do muslims.

    But when the loons say that crazy Aunt Sufi, a muslim, is crazy Aunt Sophie, then I’m going up to the attic to show you the bats in your belfry.

    You’ll waste a lot of time trying to find a muslim who defends the rights in Abraham of the Children of Israel more fiercely than I do, and fail. If you want to find a real antisemite, maybe you should start looking in the mirror. The “religious right” is a lot more zionist than it is Christian.

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