US Soldiers Urinate on Dead Afghans
Pamela Geller “loves” the soldiers pictured above urinating on dead corpses. According to her it may be the “infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial.”
Interestingly, Geller often wears a necklace with the word “LOVE” showing, which is perplexing considering that to most rational people she is a hate-mongering-attention-seeking loon blogger. I guess this answers the puzzle of her “LOVE” necklace, she “loves” when Muslims are killed, urinated on or otherwise mutilated.
How sick and sadistic can Geller get? Why doesn’t her best friend Robert Spencer condemn her for such asinine comments?
Geller couches her approval and “love” of such actions by implying that those being urinated on deserve it because…they were “jihadis” and “Taliban.” She then trumps out the Nazi analogy, saying,
Would anyone have CAIRed if Marines urinated on dead Nazi soldiers during WWII? (Anyone besides CAIR and nazis, that is)
The US Army probably would care Pam, since it is a violation of their code of conduct, and since they are now engaged in negotiations with the Taliban.
She also goes on an off topic tangent about honor killings and clitorectomies, etc. as if those issues are linked to the actions of the marines.
Here is Geller’s vile screed:
Hamas-tied CAIR, once again sides with jihadists against the US military. Always. Apparently they are a “Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization” for jihadists and Taliban and Al-Shabaab, Hamas, Hezb’allah, et al).
CAIR has whipped itself up into an Islamic frenzy because a video surfaced that appears to show US Marines combat gear urinating on several dead jihadis.
Here’s the thing. Hamas liars, CAIR, say jihad and pure Islam is “fringe,” “extremist.” So why do they CAIR about disrespecting the Taliban? According to CAIR lies, Taliban and jihadists do not represent Islam, they have “hijacked Islam”; so why would CAIR care about “respect”? CAIR calls these Marines immoral, but considers honor killings, clitorectomies, forced marriage, child marriage, polygamy, subjugation of women, slaughter of non-Muslims, Jew hatred moral?
Would anyone have CAIRed if Marines urinated on dead Nazi soldiers during WWII? (Anyone besides CAIR and nazis, that is).
I love these Marines. Perhaps this is the infidel interpretation of the Islamic ritual of washing and preparing the body for burial.
CAIR Condemns Alleged Desecration of Bodies by U.S. Marines
par CAIR, mercredi 11 janvier 2012, 13:48(WASHINGTON, D.C., 1/11/12) –- A prominent national Muslim civil rights and advocacy organization today condemned the alleged desecration of corpses in Afghanistan by members of the U.S. Marines.
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR) said video on the TMZ website appears to show a number of Marines in combat gear urinating on several dead bodies. The person who reportedly distributed the video stated that it shows Marines from Camp Lejeune urinating on dead Taliban. A Marine Corps spokesperson said the incident allegedly shown in the video will be investigated.
SEE: U.S. Marines to Investigate Video of Soldiers Urinating on Corpses
http://tinyurl.com/7rkzvp4
In a letter faxed to Defense Secretary Leon E. Panetta, CAIR National Executive Director Nihad Awad wrote:
“We condemn this apparent desecration of the dead as a violation of our nation’s military regulations and of international laws of war prohibiting such disgusting and immoral actions.
“If verified as authentic, the video shows behavior that is totally unbecoming of American military personnel and that could ultimately endanger other soldiers and civilians.
“We trust that this disturbing incident will be promptly investigated in a transparent manner and that appropriate actions will be taken based on the results of that investigation. Any guilty parties must be punished to the full extent allowed by the Uniform Code of Military Justice and by relevant American laws.”
Update: Geller won’t back down. She is going all the way on this. She’s mighty upset that CAIR called her out on her vileness, and so published another pro-Urinating on dead corpses hate post titled, “Hamas-CAIR Attacks US Marines, Pamela Geller and Atlas Readers in Defense of Jihadists.” She is pulling the usual hate speech out against CAIR, calling it “HAMAS in America” and so forth. I think it is time for CAIR to start suing these individuals for libel, but I guess it would just be a waste of time. Some of what she says sounds downright threatening,
Hamas in America, CAIR, want to harrass and threaten anyone who doesn’t toe their line. Don’t do it. Do not be cowed. Push back.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Pamela Geller is a vile Zionist imperialist pig
January 12th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
The sad part is that now this gross, nasty behavior tarnishes the reputations of those that conducted themselves honorably. I hope they give the appropriate punsihemnt to those who did this. I know Leon Panetta is angry, as he should be, but I hope they can figure out who did this nasty act.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
this woman knows no bounds. its sickening to think there are people out there like her.
and yes, i would have cared if people were urinating on nazi bodies. call me old fashioned, but i thought respecting the dead was universally accepted no matter who the dead is.
anyone who tries to justify urinating on dead bodies has serious issues and i cant believe i even have to point this out.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Does Pamela Geller know that Nazi prisoners of war used to be treated better than Black US service men. Nazi POW’s could eat with the White US soldiers while the Black service men were segregated in the US military and could not eat in the White soldiers mess hall.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
I think Panetta and other top brass are only angry this video is on the internet. I wouldnt be surprised if this action is common amongst the neanderthals that constitute the US military.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Urinating on the dead probably does little harm to the dead, but it doesn’t bode well for the living and also if desecration of the dead is something that doesn’t really matter then she shouldn’t moan about stuff like hanging DEAD US soldiers off of bridges in Iraq and burning their bodies and dragging them through streets with ropes tied to them should she? But I forget the soldiers are always right and the Muslims are always wrong, especially the Taliban, yet the Americans are going to negotiate with them, maybe the Brotherhood has infiltrated the US and has converted them all in secret and they are all surrendering all their bases to the Taliban or some such…
In all honesty it is probably staged by some other power to give the American’s a good beating on their way out by Taliban fighters and so destabilise the country enough so that another power can sponsor the Taliban and effectively control the country…Or it could just be soldiers pissing on dead people.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Maybe in the hatefilled, vile sludge that serves as this so-called womans brain doesnt realize is the taliban will use this incident as a recruiting tool (why does pam want more US soldiers killed?). Also it’s extremenly disrespectful to urinate on any dead person taliban or not (could you imagine her reaction if this had been Iranians urinating on dead bodies?). But if you insist somebody be urinated on pam, maybe a law could be passed that when anyone sees you, spenser, jim robertson, etc… They have to urinate on you.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Evil scum witch
January 12th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
The question is how many atrocities are NOT leaked or captured on Youtube. As for Pam, she’s relegating herself to the loon trash bin more and more every time she opens her botox mouth.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Look here, LoonWatch shedding crocodile tears for the Taliban. They are more sympathetic to dead terrorists than American soldiers. But no outrage when the Taliban goes around splashing acid in women’s faces or blowing up statues of Buddha, right?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Fuck her and her website
and yes i would care if someone urinated on nazi, because at the end of the day they’re human and deserve to be treated like humans (unlike Geller that sub-human demon )
January 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
It would have been utterly wrong to urinate even on the corpse of Adolf Eichmann. The dead cannot truly be desecrated, but the living can…by perpetrating such deeds as this.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
I was reading through the comments on the National Post (a conservative Canadian newspaper to which the article linked), and I can’t believe how many commenters support these people’s actions…
January 12th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
“The dead cannot truly be desecrated, but the living can…by perpetrating such deeds as this.”
That, in a nutshell, sums up the situation pretty well.
The Taliban are hideous monsters, yes, who deserve respect neither in life nor death, but that’s not important, the important thing is that American soldiers are supposed to be better. If not, then what is the point of the fight?
Anyone supporting this, and there are many on right wing blogs, miss that all important point when they point out that some soldiers have been hung or dragged through the streets.
Though the meaning has changed somewhat, this is the original definition of ‘hubris’, and they should remember that it was that what doomed Apollo.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
“But no outrage when the Taliban goes around splashing acid in women’s faces or blowing up statues of Buddha, right?”
So, American soldiers should be judged by Taliban standards?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
This woman is a fine example of an un-educated, brain washed , stupid American bitch who thinks Americans are the born rulers of the world, the grease hogging , fat ugly disgusting slime ball.
She is a fine example of evil. Pure irreversible unsaveable evil.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
People like the The_BitT,
I’m trying to understand your logic here. The nazi’s who murdered millions were human? YOur enemies enemy is not necessarily your friend. Definately not here. Just because this woman Geller hates them, doesn’t mean you have to defend them or that they will love you. And loathsome as she is, remember she hasn’t killed anyone when their mission was genocide and still is, as Anders Brivik proved and Tim McVeigh. They would just as easily have killed of Europe’s Muslims as they did Jews. They killed gypsies, and Romany’s many of whom were Muslims. Nazis are no friends of Muslims, even though they are championed as such because they hated Jews. This is misguided and wrong, and a kabeerah.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Look here, rocky douchebag justifying desecration of the dead by pretending he cares about the talibdn destroying the giant Buddhas or throwing acid in an Afghan girls face, we all know he or his ilk don’t care about these things because they are not american or christian. Hey asshole maybe when you die someone will piss on you and post it to youtube, I bet that would get a lot of views.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Unfortunately for the US military, that’s imitatable behavior, and I doubt very much that Geller and those soldiers are going to have those same smiles if there was footage of the same thing being done to the US military’s dead.
@ Rocky Lore
Look here, LoonWatch shedding crocodile tears for the Taliban.
- More like pointing out the immoral depravity of Geller for supporting soldiers urinating on a corpse, but I think we’ve learned by now not to expect you to understand such complicated things.
They are more sympathetic to dead terrorists than American soldiers.
And it’s strange we find no evidence of that, but then I suppose evidence is too complicated for you. Unsubstantiated assumptions are much more simpler for your little mind to work with, aren’t they?
But no outrage when the Taliban goes around splashing acid in women’s faces or blowing up statues of Buddha, right?
Yes, because we all know how the atrocities of the Taliban are so relevant to a war that has absolutely nothing to do with those atrocities, and a discussion about urinating on corpses. Oh, and those poor lifeless, Buddha statues that Buddhists no longer cared about (or even knew about). Their destruction is such a big deal yet it only seems to matter to people who want to use it as a PR weapon against the Taliban.
Is staying on topic so difficult for you that you feel so compelled to displace the discussion into irrelevant things? Surely you can’t be that incompetent.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Rocky Lore
Its disgusting behavior, no question about it. How you twist this and make it seem like those that have an issue w/ peeing on dead people are okay w/ the talibans actions is ridiculous. Youre an idiot and everytime you post something you prove it.
Im outraged when US soldiers are urinating on dead HUMANS just as I am w/ the taliban desecrating HUMAN bodies.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
@ mohammed
i’m not defending what the Nazi’s did and i never said that muslims are friends of Nazis in fact i loathe nazis, im just saying that its wrong to mutilate corpses no matter what they have done (and no I don’t support the Holocaust)
and you don’t know me how dare you accuse me of kabeerah with out knowing me or what i think, i never said I hated Jews or the Roma or any oppressed minority.
so read my post carefully before commenting
January 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
@loonwatchers,
Thanks for the feedback, but a word of caution: lets NOT become like Geller and co. by using overly vulgar remarks. Geller is vile, sadistic and twisted but lets not call for her to be urinated upon or anything of such nature as we would then be mirroring her hate.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
She is a very disturbed woman.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Good gravy, she has even more to say:
“So let me be perfectly clear. I DO love those Marines. We are at war with an enemy that means to slaughter us and overthrow the United States of America. I don’t CAIR that these Marines wee wee’ed on murderous savages.”
January 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
America’s ambassadors to the world, spreading freedom and democracy. Amazing.
It raises the question “Who can make war with the beast?” I suspect that the Marines’ “official outrage” is not going to erase those images anywhere outside the United States.
January 12th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Not just Pamela Geller, but her bitterly envious rival and cold cold hearted, Debbie Schlusul, as always eager to beat her in evil, chimes in..
go and see how sick she is, she needs to be institutionalised.
——-
Remind Me Why I Should Be Upset That Marines Pissed on Dead Jihadists
debbieschlussel.com/45968/remind-me-why-i-should-be-upset-that-marines-pissed-on-dead-jihadists/
By Debbie Schlussel
Are you bothered by the jihadist golden shower? Puh-leeze. Most of these “men” probably raped a Bacha Bazi boy the day before. Get a clue, America! Another tip: if Wolf Blitzer is disgusted, the cause of it is usually something laudatory.
Yes, we’re “classier than that” and “better than that.” But “better than that” means you don’t make a video or if you do, it doesn’t get to YouTube. So who was the moron who made it public?
Remember, the only problem in our side’s behavior is that we don’t treat the enemy enough like they treat us. And that’s why they don’t fear or respect us. It’s not because Marines do these acts. It’s because Marines almost never do this, despite the fact that the Muslim terrorists on the other side will chop up our soldiers and Marines and do things like putting their dismembered penises in their mouths and other classy stuff. But you never hear the Wolf Blitzers of the world saying a single word about that. Never.
Frankly, the golden shower is probably the cleanest water that ever dripped on these murderers who finally got just a taste of what they deserved.
Semper Fi to the 72 revirginized, chumps.
January 12th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
I think some one already said it, but i think the point bears repeating. To get to the point where you think this is a good thing to do, show the dehumanizing effects of war. I respect the military(those that do not behave like this) and I have no love for the Taliban, but to get to the point where a corpse is treated like a target shows that they lost that which makes them human-respect and dignity. If we are to end war, we must see the other side as human, which is admittedly hard to do on a battle field where you may be fighting to live, but it must be done. Those that are interested should read Paul Chappell book End Of war.
Sorry for the long rant
January 12th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
This disgusting action performed by these soldiers exemplifies well their attitude towards the rest of the world.
“America is the best country in the world and since these people to oppose us in our efforts at defense (offense) we might as well just piss on them.”
This is absolutely no way to treat another human being. It only reveals the absolute necessity of the U.S. putting a complete and absolute end to it’s imperialism.
January 12th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Pamela Geller is such a f@cking airhead. Someone really needs to tackle her and expose her much in the same manner as Walid Shoebat was.
She is intolerable.
January 12th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
“End of War” by Paul Chappell. Sounds good. I am heading off to get a copy. It has to be better than everyone pissing on everyone else.
January 12th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
@Farlowe, the odd thing is that it was written by a West Point Grad and Iraq vet
January 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
It appears the Marines in the photo have been identified, and they are not only genuine Marines, but members of some type of elite squad.
January 12th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Any evidence that the dead are actual Taliban or just Afghan civilians Anglo-American terrorists just killed for fun? Remember when they killed and mutilated 15 year old Gul Muhammed and took pictures for fun? As astute commentators have pointed out the “outrage” is that this video got out.
Geller is as ever, a predicable bloodthirsty Zionist media whore. Both her and Schlussel are worth less then the dead decomposing remains of a rat in a sewer.
January 12th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
“The Taliban are hideous monsters, yes, who deserve respect neither in life nor death, but that’s not important, the important thing is that American soldiers are supposed to be better. If not, then what is the point of the fight?”
Sorry, this just displays the ignorant generalisations that many outside the US bubble see as dumbed down arrogant lynch mobs. Many of the naive hoped that this surly jingoism, being blindly emotive & ill-informed about the rest of the world was a unique symptom of the Bush leadership.
One of the many reasons that the US lost global credibility on a massive scale, was the gargantuan disconnect between the world’s most technologically learned power “hands” grafted onto the “brain” of a chimp with regard to knowledge of the the rest of humanity, history & cultures!
The reason why the US has not won the war on Afghanistan & other Muslim lands is the dumb black vs white caricature painted by the MSM. The good US vs the Evil Other is rather embarrassing & self-defeating. The damage control learnt from the Viet Nam era ie. the damage of the contrary cine camera age has been used in modern Information Warfare to marginalise a contrary narrative. The Obama act of suppressing the rape of women videos is an example of modern Information Warfare. There are many examples of huge abuses festering in NATO (“North Anywhere Treaty Organisation?”) e.g. cover up of rapes of Afghan children on bases & even fellow female soldiers. The majority of the public are brainwashed with the line of our heroic warriors & the odd slip-up.
The diverse & organic “Taliban” are a classic guerilla movement with a vast reservoir of Afghan support & are not a monolithic group. One must ask the question, how the most technologically advanced nation on the planet are so lacking in critical thinking skills? Dehumanising the enemy has worked like good propaganda on those primed on narcissism. It reminds one of the Cold war sterotypical joke of US students being shown blank outline maps of the USSR & the USA, & being asked which is the US, & them choosing the bigger one!
The magnitude, length & depth of abuses by many US & satrap soldiers on a global scale is slowly leaking out especially to those outside the cocoon e.g. South East Asia, Latin America, Middle East etc. The culture of racist sociopathy combined with the naughty child-like nature & toys such as the digital camera are exposing the incontinent sadistic nature of the beasts. The Abu Ghraib & Wikileaks revelations of the truth are just the tip of the iceberg.
The antidotes are a balanced & investigative media, however the US appears to be so divided on right-left lines & lack of critical thinking to many outside that selection bias is inevitable. The cure is engaging with the rest of the world & not cutting off other sources of information plus learning critical thinking skills.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1968110,00.html
I recommend British news panorama as a relatively easily digestible Anglo-Saxon alternative as an introduction to the rest of the 6 billion world…
January 13th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Rocky Lore Says:
Look here, LoonWatch shedding crocodile tears for the Taliban. They are more sympathetic to dead terrorists than American soldiers.
Rocky I have family members that are current US Military. I think they are doing more for the US military then you and your Keyboard soldier friends are.
January 13th, 2012 at 12:53 am
So when a Muslim sees American soldiers urinating on dead bodies, s/he will realize the how compassionate/better/moral Christians are and convert to Christianity?
If she thinks this is Moral, she can not claim Christianity or Western Civilization is better than Islam (which by the way prohibits desecrating cadavers). The best she can argue for is that both are just as bad.
That’s why when I left Islam I did not embrace Jesus or Christian-Western “Civilization”.
Liberal atheists are and will always be BETTER than you Pam, definitely BETTER. I am happy you will always be remembered as a stupid hate-monger.
January 13th, 2012 at 2:04 am
Someone should ring the local asylum about Pam
Do we know if this film is real ?
Do we know who these maines are yet ?
January 13th, 2012 at 2:07 am
“Look here, LoonWatch shedding crocodile tears for the Taliban. They are more sympathetic to dead terrorists than American soldiers. But no outrage when the Taliban goes around splashing acid in women’s faces or blowing up statues of Buddha, right?”
No, unlike jihadwatch scumbags (like you), we condemn all atrocities. You just have to go back to recent posts about attacks on Christians in Nigeria. Of course you dont give a rats ass but worth a shot.
January 13th, 2012 at 5:06 am
Why no Loonwatch article on the Iranian scientist murdered ?
January 13th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Crow, you are the asshole and the douchebag. You hate American soldiers and you support the Taliban. Liberals like you cheered when Carlos Bledsoe and Nidal Hasan went on their rampages. You support the Taliban not allowing girls to go to school and splashing acid in women’s faces.
January 13th, 2012 at 8:55 am
First off the Taliban are dead and buried. Muslims cut people’s heads off that are still alive. Who knows what they were facing. Its war they are soldiers doing a job that many couldn’t do against an enemy that has little more no moral standards.
More power to them!!
January 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Rotters, Washington DC 19 January 2012
By your correspondent Bill the Butcher
Today, in a packed news conference, US Defence Secretary Leon Panetta made a startling disclosure: that the infamous video of US Marines urinating on what appeared to be Taliban corpses was nothing of the sort.
“It’s true, of course, that those were men of the 3rd battalion, 2nd Marines, and that the episode happened in Afghanistan,” he said, “and it is true that the video depicts those men urinating on Taliban men lying on the ground. But it is absolutely not true that this video depicts any desecration of Taliban corpses.
“After minutes of intensive inquiries amongst the personnel of the battalion, the truth has come to light: that instead of attempting to desecrate the corpses of dead jihadists, those brave American warriors were going out of their way to perform an errand of mercy.
“The facts are these: that the Taliban were not dead, but were in intense agony from jellyfish stings. As is well known, the venom of many jellyfishes is highly acidic and urine has been used, by no less a celebrity than Thor Heyerdahl, as an emergency first-aid measure to neutralise that acid. Instead of thinking of their own safety, our brave Marines went beyond the call of duty to help these ragheads…I mean, Taliban…recover from those stings by applying their urine on them, even in the middle of the battlefield with bullets flying all around.
“It’s even more of a sacrifice on their part when you realise that these brave men had been saving up their urine for a party after returning to base, when they were to have taught some grateful Afghan women they had liberated from the clutches of the Taliban the meaning of the term ‘golden shower’. Those Afghan ladies will unfortunately have to wait for another opportunity to complete their education on that point.
“Meanwhile, investigations are underway to find out the identity of the traitorous scum who posted that video on the internet. He, or she, is undoubtedly a terrorist sympathiser and will be imprisoned without trial or else, if that is unfeasible, taken out by drone strike. The President will tolerate no treason of this kind, which is designed to undermine the morale of our brave men and women in uniform.”
To incredulous queries from correspondents asking how the Taliban could have been stung by jellyfish in mountainous, landlocked Afghanistan, Mr Panetta had this to say:
“As you know, the President has declared the war in Afghanistan to be the Good War. The Taliban and the Al Qaeda are in cahoots, and continue to cooperate closely to this day, planning strikes meant to overthrow and destroy Israel and the United States. The President’s commitment to the security of Israel is second to none, and he is determined to make sure that Israel’s right to self-defence is not compromised. That is why we will keep fighting in Afghanistan, if need be, another thousand years.
“We have strong intelligence input proving that the Taliban are regularly sending men down to the bottom of the Arabian Sea to confer with the corpse of Osama bin Laden. Those Taliban were, according to our intelligence inputs, among the latest batch of emissaries to the Al Qaeda terrorist who was executed by the President last year. They must have been stung by jellyfish while under water.
“Unfortunately,” he continued, “the Taliban failed to survive their jellyfish stings – in fact they died while first aid was still being administered in the form of urine – but the Marines continued to administer the urine because they are well aware of religious sensibilities and know well that the Islamic injunction is to wash the bodies of the dead before burial. Afghanistan, as we all know, is a horrible, dry land – nothing like these lovely United States that God has declared to be the greatest nation in the world – and water is a rarity. Therefore, those Marines were doing a social service by washing those dead jihadists with urine, which my doctor assures me is sterile and is far better than any other water those terrorist fucks…uh, Taliban…would have been washed with otherwise, if at all.
“All in all, those brave warriors deserve our commendation, not our condemnation, and for their courage and self-sacrifice, I have accordingly personally recommended them for the Congressional Medal of Honour.”
Meanwhile, in response to this information proving that the Al Qaeda and the Taliban continue their cooperation, President Obama announced that the United States would immediately impose an additional round of sanctions on 1083 Iranian entities, including fishermen, and demanded that Europe and Japan follow suit. He also announced that the US would begin the construction of an additional ten aircraft carrier groups in order to protect US interests overseas and to stop any future underwater meetings between Osama bin Laden’s corpse and Taliban men.
While these measures failed to satisfy his Republican opponents, who demanded an immediate attack on Iran, conservative commentators such as Pamela Geller and Ann Coulter declared that Obama’s policies had made US Marines too “soft hearted” for their own good, and that they should have made no attempt to help the Taliban. “Those Muslim jihadist terrorists want to overthrow the United States,” Geller wrote. “They deserve anything they get – except first aid or washing. Get the Traitor Out of the White House Now!”
Speaking outside the gates of the White House, self-professed liberal atheist and president of the Association of Worshippers of Obama the Lord (AWOL), Barb Wire, announced that her organisation would redouble its efforts to secure his re-election and that it would petition the Nobel Prize Committee to award the President a second Nobel Peace Prize. “He is a man so superior,” she said, “that he deserves every single prize the human race has ever invented!”
Meanwhile, in an Afghan village, a farmer called Majid Khan, speaking to your correspondent in a one-to-one interview, said that the three men in the video were civilians and not Taliban at all, and in response to what he called the “desecration” of their corpses, he would dig out his old AK 47 from the anti-Soviet jihad and join in the resistance movement. “They killed three young men of my village,” he said, “and befouled their bodies. Three hundred will now take up arms against them.”
Osama bin Laden’s corpse could not be reached for comment.
January 13th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
@HGG
To all the Taliban/Afghanistan haters
http://www.themodernreligion.com/terror/wtc-goldenline.html
January 13th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Whats wrong with the Taliban? Why are they so hated by some on here? Would a hated group have so much local support? I personallly have no beef with the Taliban. They are fighting a savage invadfing force, the Americans, who are the modern worlds biggest mass killers. I frankly hope the Taliban defeat them. The Taliban are fellow Muslims fighting to defen their homeland against an invading savage force.
January 13th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“Nazis are no friends of Muslims” – tell that to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and ally of Hitler or the Bosnian Muslim SS Division or said Muftis plan for his own Final Solution in the Middle-East.
Look at the Mein Kampf, The Protocols Of The Learned Elders of Zion that are best sellers and is serialized in Muslim countries, or the Hamas Charter and their calls for genocide or even the Iranian President Holocaust denial. I could go on and on.
January 13th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
my brother The Bit T
I didn’t accuse you of doing a kabeerah, I just said it was a kabeerah, and I did not accuse you of supporting the Holocaust, nor the oppression of Gypsies or the Romanys and Jews. I was talking in general terms. I only objected to your calling nazis humans and comparing them to Pamela Geller, she is loathesome, but at this time she has not comitted mass murder like the nazis did. Let us not let our anger colour judgement. Above your posts there was somebody (Mrislamanswerback) who was saying nazis treated their prisoners of war better, he does not know they mutilitated corpses, ripped gold from teeth, used skin for lampshades, and did live experiments on their prisoners. Separation of live prisoners by colour, is not so bad by comparison.
Crimininal and mentally ill are the soldiers who urinated on Afghani corpses, but please do not sanitise the mutiliation of corpses by nazis. Again not you, I speak generally.
Am sorry if i thought I was accusing you or if I hurt you.
I will take your advice and read carefully, and I advise you to do the same too. My name is Muhanned, not Mohammad
January 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
> “The sad part is that now this gross, nasty behavior tarnishes the reputations of those that conducted themselves honorably.”
Nothing and NO one in this disgustingly naked act of terrorism masquerading itself as “war” is “honorable”, far far from it, its an act of high cowardice when one so-called “superpower” invades and bullies an already suffering country that had not only been ravaged and massacred by another great evil so-called “superpower” for 30 years non-stopped, but never even got the slight chance nor the slight time to recover from the previous act of terrorism, before another “superpower” terrorist the US OF A knocked on their already destroyed door to destroy some more. Nasty and cowardly indeed such act IS, NOT “honorable”.
January 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
> “So, American soldiers should be judged by Taliban standards?”
NO American “soldiers” should be currently “judged” by who they’ve become, literally merciless terrorists walking amongs humans, massacring and destroying anything and everything that are opposed to their evil activities.
January 13th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
gellar is a supporter of Western terrorism, she also protected a terrorist on her blog. she’s a hypocrite and a racist, she’s a hatemonger, warmonger, and a very disturbed woman. she has everything backwards, the INVADERS are the problem. she has a problem with Muslims fighting back the invaders of their land, she doesn’t want freedom for Muslims only herself.
Sam Richards speech Christian Invaders:
http://www.worldinconversation.org/2010/04/19/christian-invaders-the-full-lecture/
January 13th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Also, there is no mention of how these corpses were even identified as belonging to the Taliban. They could very well just be corpses of civilians that they had killed and decided to urinate on, which they only labeled as “Taliban” to hide it. You certainly can’t put it beyond them to do such a thing.
January 13th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
@twiceasnice,
“More power to them!!”
So you support urinating on dead people and consider it a good thing? If so, please tell me where your grandma is buried and I’ll see how she likes it.
January 13th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
““Nazis are no friends of Muslims” – tell that to the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and ally of Hitler or the Bosnian Muslim SS Division or said Muftis plan for his own Final Solution in the Middle-East.”
I should copy and paste my response to this since I must get it dozens of times a month. However, let’s keep it short and sweet by saying:
- millions of Muslims fought against the Nazis, huge numbers died, far more than fought with the Nazis
- tens of thousands of Muslims were killed in the Holocaust
- using the Grand Mufti as ‘representative’ of all Muslims is similar to saying that some Deacon in Africa who goes out witch hunting is representative of all Muslims
- oh and of course said Grand Mufti was hardly a popular chap, what with being a British puppet and all. Plus he was more ‘nationalist’ than ‘nazi’, seeing the nazis as a good way of removing British influence
- and the fact remains that how ever much you twist and turn it, Mr Hitler and his merry gang were a ‘Christian’ and ‘European’ issue. Nothing to do with Muslims
“Look at the Mein Kampf, The Protocols Of The Learned Elders of Zion that are best sellers and is serialized in Muslim countries, or the Hamas Charter and their calls for genocide or even the Iranian President Holocaust denial. I could go on and on.”
Please do go ‘on and on’ becuase we shall see that the list is in fact quite short and probably full of crap. And best sellers since when?
No response expected
Jack
January 13th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
“Whats wrong with the Taliban? Why are they so hated by some on here? Would a hated group have so much local support? I personallly have no beef with the Taliban. They are fighting a savage invadfing force, the Americans, who are the modern worlds biggest mass killers. I frankly hope the Taliban defeat them. The Taliban are fellow Muslims fighting to defen their homeland against an invading savage force.”
Sorry but are you delusional? Just nationalists and defenders? More like armed thugs and criminals! Defenders of their people wouldn’t spend half their time blowing up and oppressing the people they are there to defend. Of course you have no beef with them, they aren’t killing you!
I mean no disrespect but seriously, do you even know about the Taliban?! Your romanticized view of them is not rooted in fact my freind. I, as a Muslim, do not count the Taliban as Muslims but as criminals. Because that is what they are, they have broken the most fundamental tenets of our faith doing what they do and that is a fact.
Jack
January 13th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Unfortunately the more gruesome crime that American foreign policy and war machine have committed in Afghanistan i.e., destroying an entire civilization and countless innocent lives will never be brought to justice in a court of law.
Pissing on dead Afghans is child’s play compared to what I’ve just mentioned.
January 13th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Also here is a video of Pam Geller justifying her remarks on television I believe on a local news station.
January 13th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Thanks but no thanks Believing Atheist. Its too late here and it would disturb my sleep watching such a video nasty
January 13th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
I hate to be the spoiler here…
Remembering that we dont know who the dead people are, how do we know they are Taliben fighters?
Remembering that the American soldiers are invaders, and occupiers, even if they were Taliben fighters, how are they NOT fighting in self defence against a foriegn force on thier soil.
Let us understand that part of being free, is being able to protect the rights you have. One of those rights is…the right to DEFEND YOURSELF.
Afganistan did not cause 9/11, nor did they participate in it. I doubt that most of the occupied people of Afganistan even know what 9/11 is…all they know is, there are people in foriegn uniforms killing them.
So, I am even at the Muslims here who assume that these people were Taliben fighters, or even fighters at all, because we know that not all of the murders the occupiers have done were in combat mode.
January 13th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
No to the Neo-Mongols writes: One must ask the question, how the most technologically advanced nation on the planet are so lacking in critical thinking skills?
See Q113 for a prayer for protection from “the overspreading darkness.” American’s professional classes are losing their ability to think and remember. What’s falling apart ~ at the visible top ~ is collapsing as if Someone is turning out the lights, gradually dimming them until those who most need to stand “together” can’t even see each other.
Watch the “leaders” and “pundits” on television for a while and see whether there are any left who haven’t lost their minds. Even the most sane are living in a fantasy world.
January 13th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I don’t ‘hate’ Afghanistan.
Taliban =/ Afghanistan.
January 13th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Bill the Butcher, quoting from the sources that brought 9/11 to the attention of the oblivious, writes: the Islamic injunction is to wash the bodies of the dead before burial.
Except martyrs. The shaheeds are wrapped and stacked in the clothes, wounds, and blood in which they were martyred. The marines will be drinking and swimming through that urine for a long, long time.
January 13th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
“NO American “soldiers” should be currently “judged” by who they’ve become, literally merciless terrorists walking amongs humans, massacring and destroying anything and everything that are opposed to their evil activities.”
WHAT’S “funny” is that you don’t “realize” how similar you “sound” to those who HATE Muslims and Islam.
January 13th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
twiceasnice writes: I could go on and on.
I’m sure you will. You might even reel in some fish who can’t resist reminding you of Hitler’s zionist battalions that he trained, armed, and sent to Palestine. There are people here who can’t restrain themselves from responding to provocation.
January 13th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
@twice as dumb
you know there is a picture book about the grand mosque of paris that was used to help the jews during world war 2 you should take a look at it for it has pretty pictures for your very small mind to adjust to this new information that muslims helped the jews escape the nazis.
@rocky load of crap
you are a moron any proof of what you said about crow or liberals cheering about nadal hassan wait let me answer that no you dont so shut your hole and your mouth.
@awesome
yeah I had that thought as well and that is quite a chilling possiblity which makes gellers and “sheiks his mommies” support of this all the more horrifying.
January 13th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
I’d love to piss on the Loonwatch faggots and all libtards.
January 14th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Believing Atheist
Each time I come I’m always impressed with your comments. I don’t agree with them but you are pretty open minded unlike me.
January 14th, 2012 at 2:09 am
Jack my brother
I know a lot about the Taliban and have read everything i can find, pro and anti for many years, since the mid 90′s. I have watched documentary after documentary, i have personally met Yvonne Ridley who was captured by the Taliban and discussed them with her. She herself said many good things about the Taliban. I have a number of Afghan friends who lived under the Taliban who have a lot of support for them. From everything i have read and learned, i have tried to form an honest opinion and my conclusion is that whilst they had many faults, they were not this brutal savage gang of thugs they have been made out to be.
They were a group of Islamic students who with military training, and many veterans joining them, moved in to end the brutal civil war in the 90′s with minimum fighting. They people welcomed them with open arms. During their rule they were brutal towards warlords, criminals etc, but in a brutal environment they took steps to secure peace, this meant a very strict security policy. Yes is could be seen as oppressive by outsiders, but they wanted peace and had no choice but to run the policies they did. The claims of women not being able to attend schools was absolute nonsense and a number of journalists have exposed this lie including Brits Yvonne Ridley, and Keith Langan.
The Taliban are Muslims, you as a Muslim cannot claim anyone else is not a Muslim basing your views on propoganda. Only Allah (swt) alone can judge. Do you REALLY think the western media will portray the Taliban in a positive light? Or even an honest manner? Of course not!
The fact of the matter is the Taliban have widespread support in Afghanistan from the local population. No guerilla army can be as successful as the Taliban have been without a lot of local support. The Americans and their stooges in NATO cannot defeat the Taliban, they have tried for 10 years and have failed so now the Americans want to talk peace. The Taliban will not accept peace on Americas terms. The Americans are the invaders and once they get out of Afghanistan, the Taliban will end the fighting. The Taliban will regain power, not if but when. The Americans know this and are now slowly paving the way to make this an acceptable outcome to the American people by talking of having “moderate” Taliban as part of the government.
January 14th, 2012 at 3:31 am
Brit Muslim, thank you for your reply and of course it was wrong of me to declare anyone a ‘non-Muslim’. I am sorry for my harsh words but I get a lot of people talking to me who seem to think that the Taliban are some sort of magical holy warriors on a mission. As of yet I have not found many, if any, ‘Taliban’ who fit this picture.
The Taliban that I see spends far to long claiming victory for blowing up Afghans. No holy warrior kills civilians so why do they? And the attacks on girls schools? The denial of healthcare? The general retarding of the society they live in? These are no followers of my faith!
Most of the time though I am just told conspiracy theories by those that support the ‘Taliban’. Bizarre stories of Blackwater mercenaries or Indian Gurkhas in disguise. To me this is just excuses for a group that deserves no support.
I think it is fair to liken the Taliban to the Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV AKA ‘North Vietnam’) during the Vietnam War. The DRV was brutal and oppressive but it had the support of the local population becuase they were the lesser evil. You speak of the ‘support’ that the local population give but how much of this support is genuine? And how much of the support stems from fear of death? As the famous American mobster Al Capone put it:
“You get a lot further with a kind word and a gun than just a kind word”
The Afghans are survivors pure and simple. They have had marauding armies going through their lands for generations and they are smart enough to sit on the side of whoever seems to be winning so that they won’t get shot. When the Northern Alliance took Kabul, people supported them and quickly ditched the Mujaheddin and the Taliban. And that is it really, they are born survivors and smart.
I feel immensely sorry for the Afghans in having no choice in the matter and that is where my sympathy will always lie. Not with the armies that fight, but with the people trapped in between. I can’t and will not support the ‘Taliban’ just as I can’t and will not support NATO. Both are as bad as each other and both will cause misery to the Afghans.
Jack
January 14th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Yvonne Ridley is a terrorist sympathizer and no different from Pamela Geller. Anyone who calls Shamil Basayev who murdered Russian children a “Shaheed” and Zarqawi a “brother” is scum, you are just another delusional Brit Muslim, are you sure you’re not an Anjem Choudary follower? Ask the Hazaras what they think of the Taliban, or the Parachinar Shias in Kurram about them, and just maybe it may change your mind a little.
January 14th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Brit Muslim, you’re entitled to your opinion but you must know that almost everyone here will not agree with you.
Some Muslims these days will overlook absolutely anything someone does as long as they claim to do it in the name of Islam or is against the West. Often the Afghanistan conflict is looked at incorrectly — if America is on the wrong side, then it is assumed that the Taliban must be on the right side. Ask people who don’t have such positive memories of the Taliban just what they had to go through.
You can blame the “Western Media” (as always) but what about the Pakistani media, do you believe it too has an anti-Muslim bias? The Pakistani Taliban have blown up hundreds of girls’ schools in the Swat valley, attacked film stores, police stations, mosques as well as releasing videos of Pakistani soldiers being beheaded. Pakistanis don’t have a positive opinion of these terrorists, and it’s no wonder that polls show a majority support the military operations against them. I’m assuming you are of Pakistani origin, if you are, then how do feel about these terrorists ripping up our home country?
January 14th, 2012 at 6:56 am
They only pissed on the bodies to put the fires out.
January 14th, 2012 at 7:19 am
If they can Behead people, what’s a little urine? These boys are hero’s for killing the enemy. If they want some stress relief by pissing on some dead Taliban, then I am all for it. Leave these guys alone!!!!
January 14th, 2012 at 8:10 am
@muhanned
its no problem, and i was just angry because of the story above, i didnt think my posts though
no hard feelings
January 14th, 2012 at 9:13 am
These people are failing to understand that these Marines have opened doors for Body Desecration to all military Men at War especially Americans. This Radio Host is safe and making good money sitting on her A$$ and not worrying about the consequences. The only people that will bear the outcome are Military families. As for comparing CAIR to Hamas, Pamela is taking it right from the right wing/Zionist book. I am sure that if there was a shred of evidence, CAIR would have been shutdown and its members thrown in Jail.
January 14th, 2012 at 9:55 am
While I’m glad that many American leaders have condemned this but like Bill Maher said (whom I rarely agree with) that they were okay with invading Afghanistan killing many innocents but oh no, “urinating is the last straw.” However, I hated Rob Reiner’s “oh they’re young and crazy during war” excuse on Bill Maher’s show last night. There’s absolutely no justification for this!
January 14th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Brit Muslim, all I know about the Talibanis is what I’ve read from “The Kite Runner”. It’s hard to believe that Afghanis esp. women support them and that they’ve become “moderate” now.
January 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Brit Muslim, you do realize that ANY kind of symphathy to the Taliban is considered treason right?
January 14th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
“If they can Behead people, what’s a little urine? These boys are hero’s for killing the enemy. If they want some stress relief by pissing on some dead Taliban, then I am all for it. Leave these guys alone!!!!”
Why? When I put on my countries uniform I do it with a little dignity. These Marines should be no different. Carrying out the act is one thing but videoing it and then putting it on YouTube?! This from a supposedly ‘civilized’ nation and military! And of course if you’re going to do something bad at least don’t be so stupid as to get caught.
So no, I won’t leave them alone and neither will their officers if they have any sense.
Jack
January 14th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
JT I think you hit the nail on the head there, to many Muslims are willing to overlook crimes if someone says it is ‘in the name of Islam’. Our faith speaks against such hypocrisy… I get fed up of it. Criminals are criminals no mater where they come from.
Jack
January 14th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
JT Says: Brit Muslim, you’re entitled to your opinion but you must know that almost everyone here will not agree with you.
We sent a muslim attorney to Afghanistan before 9/11 to get some first-hand information. The people of Afghanistan raised the Taliban to power, who had no experience with any “power” except that of the opium barons and warlords who raped their daughters and their sons. Although their “learning curve” had a few rough edges (e.g., insufficient police capacity, no remaining infrastructure, and continuing civil wars set up by the flood of arms to the opium barons and warlords), the people of Afghanistan continue to support the Taliban.
When the schools were rebuilt, younger sons and daughters went back to class. When the hospitals were rebuilt, nurses and doctors went back to work. When the economy had recovered sufficiently to feed everyone, police forces were hired and trained. Non-muslims were given ID cards showing they were exempt from the “religious” provisions of the law that the people of Afghanistan demanded of the Taliban.
We knew Afghanistan when the British were using the abandoned Buddha statues for artillery target practice. We didn’t just “discover” a society, yesterday, with strongly conservative traditions that were already established a thousand years before Islam was embraced by the people who had been fighting off invading armies for centuries. We know the Marxist parties who fled the country with the Soviets and became “experts” for the propaganda of the oil cartels.
We’ll support the people of Afghanistan against those who get their “knowledge” from the western media, and whether they “agree” with us means nothing at all. I was given a soft felt hat ~ like those you see on television, although mine is white, the color worn by some pirs and shaykhs of tasawwuf ~ by one of the mujahideen who drove out the Soviet imperialists, who at the time was working for the U.S. government as a translator for immigrants from Afghanistan. I’ve prayed shoulder-to-shoulder with brothers from Afghanistan who know a lot more about what Americans are doing there than anyone in the media.
Brit Muslim is “entitled” to his opinion because it’s based on what he himself has seen and experienced, first-hand, with muslims with muslim values. Those who “disagree” are entitled to their opinions even if they’re based on what they have heard from muslims who tell them what they think they want to hear, or on television. I can’t speak for Brit Muslim, but I intend to rely on what I know from sources a little bit closer to Afghanistan than Channel Two, and you people can believe whatever you want.
January 15th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I don’t believe for a minute that anyone is really shocked by this. War is a brutal bloody mess, and people do awful things to each other (and to each others’ corpses) every day. This kind of behavior is atrocious, I agree. But have we forgotten that the people in the picture are dead because we have taught, and ordered, our youth to kill them? Not surprising to me at all. We send young men (and women) to places to kill other people. In order to do this they must dehumanize, objectify and vilify them and we shouldn’t be surprised when they desecrate bodies. It’s not right…but it happens all the time. We train soldiers to be killers of other humans by teaching them the enemy are lower than they are. The enemy is just that, an enemy that is there to be killed. Once we train our troops to become killers they cease to be normal functioning every day people and become the warriors we wanted them to be. They treat their enemy with all the disrespect we asked them to by acting as we trained them to by taking the most human value away from both the enemy and themselves, they kill other humans. While it may seem disgusting to some that these soldiers are acting in this manner, it is not any worse than the fact that they killed the people on the ground first, so pissing on corpses is now seen as worse than creating corpses?
January 15th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
@ Now here’s what may be a challenging question to Loonwatchers, the sane ones at least.
Here’s a definition -(for the average “Jo” at least)- of terrorism :
1- The use of violence and intimidation in the pursuit of political aims.
2- The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes.
3- The state of fear and submission produced by terrorism or terrorization.
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Now, although it is said there is no international legal consensus regarding the definition of the term “terrorism”, we can all agree that the 3 points above give us at least an indisputable glimpse of what the term means for many of us which we can agree upon, thus, any person, groups or subgroups using said tactics to achieve ends, fall into said category.
Okey, now if we take an example of groups such as al-Qaeda, Hezbollah, Hamas or Taleban, whom all anyway already are signed under such by US and its allies, and which in all honesty and whatever their “reasons” may be, do in fact use such despicable tactics to achieve their ends, and thus as such do fall under said category, and not just because the “West” said so, but only because their action in caring such tactics proves it. Therefore we all agree that whether we sympathize with the cause behind or not, whether we’re Muslims or not, denying that as fact only prove a level of blindness. So said groups definitely do subscribe to that definition of the term “terrorism”, we all agree.
But now, here is my question to all of those who (rightfully so) condemn said groups as such. — Will you then by the same token, with the same courage, guts, honesty and straightforwardness – DENY? – that the US regime (not just the current, but previous ones as well) and its “allies”, USE also in much greater level those despicable tactics of using violence, intimidation, coercing and terrorising into submission, creating extreme state of fear?? Brief- TERRORISM??? —————- The question also applies to those who condemn (rightfully so) Hamas regime tactics, let see as well if you HAVE the guts and courage in condemning by like manner the Zionist regime tactics as – TERRORISM.
January 15th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
> “WHAT’S “funny” is that you don’t “realize” how similar you “sound” to those who HATE Muslims and Islam.”
How flattering, thanks -(particularly enjoyed the capitalize “HATE”, lol)- But, and I hope you don’t mind me saying this, I don’t “HATE” the US “soldiers” for their whatever religion, nor for their whatever ethnicity, nor for their whatever culture. What I do find despicable however, IS their actions across the globe, and mind you as well, that I don’t “HATE” them even for said actions, but actually instead do fell SORRY for them despite of said actions. After all we need to fell sorry for those who are carrying such atrocious actions, as most of them are none but misinformed young men and women persuaded under false pretenses to commit those well known terroristic activities, and only perversely pressed by greater and truer terrorists, whom if any such tittle ever suited perfectly anyone like hand and glove- will be them, and I’m sure you know who those are and where they’re sitting, I don’t have to “spell out”, do I ?? —- So chum! if that’s the best “refutation” you could come up with, in dismissing what I’ve said out about their actions and the terrorist system that manipulates them poor souls, which amigo is only in fact what many around the globe actually do think( you’re just having beef me saying OUT-loud), thus if that’s your “best”, then sorry but that’s not an excuse to excuse terrorism. But BTW, if I can return the delightful “observations”, is it possible you’d be one of those who “HATE” – Muslims and Islam by any chance? Cause one who’s quick to carry such hasty without actual prove “accusations” towards others may be the ones with the heavy heart. And your posts well “sound” as such, but anyhoo – toodle-oo!
January 16th, 2012 at 12:28 am
I actually believed Pamela Geller was currently as low as she could go. Obviously she has proven me wrong…
January 16th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I can understand Americans & other people from outside the region being confused & thus ignorant. However, it is amazing how black & white many re-educated Muslims with some links to the region adopting the same one dimensional simplistic caricature.
That some actually consider something as disparate & fluid as the so-called “Taliban” as somehow being a coherent entity is quite puzzling.
Perhaps the rise of the Corporate MSM with a local brown face is replacing first hand knowledge a la Al-Arabiya? The conflation of the traditionally independent-minded Waziris as being a “Pakistani Taliban” directly related to the “Afghan Taliban”, just because of the “T” word is amusing. It excludes the centuries of history as centres of resistance against external domination. Perhaps the Russians are correct too when they treat the salvation “Army” as many of us do the “Talibans” with a primed Pavlovian reflexive mental shortcut?
Another motive could be that the mercenary Pakistani rump considers itself the rightful heir to the British Raj, viewing Afghanistan as its backyard? territorial aggrandisement & jealous eyes from the south always worries the north west frontier tribes into a temporary alliance of convenience, in the same way the corrupt Pakistani rulers ally with the Western invaders.
As for highly selective & one-sided sensationalised crimes peddled by the MSM, we know that only works one way & the corrupt are not beyond hoaxes. The equivalent Guernica-like crimes where schools are blown up alongside whole towns in a post-Churchillian orgy of automated industrial-scale slaughter & decapitated childrens heads fly aplenty e.g. drones, rarely see the light of day on primetime Faux News. The persecution of Wikileaks & Bradley Manning’s alongside the bombing of Al Jazeeras will see to that.
As to January 14th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
“Brit Muslim, you do realize that ANY kind of symphathy to the Taliban is considered treason right?”
- Try prosecuting on that vague basis, & half the newspapers will be suspect. So is the Geneva Convention, a convention to which many nations are signatories, which gives equal rights & sympathy to foes a recipe for self-prosecution?
The “Taliban” are an amorphous entity, & it may shock the faint-hearted to know that we have all been talibans at some time or another if one looks deeper at the etymology.
The paint them all black demonization of the enemy is a familiar tactic, quite childish & dumb. All sides have their scum & their noble heroes, though the propagandists hate to admit it.
The reality is that we have seen much behind the scenes activity in finally recognising the resistance as nearing Western state diplomatic recognition. Yes it must smart to those who blindly believed that these were devils incarnate, as once were the red Indian savages in an earlier Manifest Destiny.