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Yehuda Bauer: Israel’s Genocidal Nationalists

Yehuda Bauer

Yehuda Bauer

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Yehuda Bauer: Israel’s genocidal nationalists

(AlJazeera English)

As tensions grow between ultra-Orthodox Jews and the Israeli state, the scholar discusses Jewish identity and extremism.

When ultra-Orthodox Jewish protesters recently clashed with Israeli government officials over gender segregation in public places, many of the demonstrators played on a link between Israel and Nazism by dressing up as Nazi concentration camp inmates.

Such clashes have become more frequent in recent years, as ultra-Orthodox Jews, who make up 10 per cent of the country’s population, are said to be growing increasingly aggressive in their attempts to impose their conservative ways on others. So is the religious divide in Israel growing? And is there a link between the Holocaust and the existence of the state of Israel?

Earlier last year, before the recent demonstrations, Talk to Al Jazeera met Yehuda Bauer, a prominent Holocaust scholar at the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, who says that the foundation of the state of Israel and its link to the Holocaust is weak. In fact, he says, the Holocaust almost prevented the establishment of the state by destroying much of the population the Zionist movement had expected to move to Israel.

On the question of how to achieve peace with the Palestinians as Binyamin Netanyahu, the Israeli prime minister, stands firm on his demand that the Palestinians must recognise Israel as a Jewish state, Bauer says: “I think that is proof of his [Netanyahu’s] internal insecurity. If you are secure in your Jewish identity you do not need Abu Mazen or Saeb Erekat to tell you that you are a Jew. Do they need me to fortify their belief that they are Palestinian?”

Bauer believes Palestinians and all other minorities living on Israeli soil should be given equal rights to Israelis, because a national state “should grant absolutely equal rights, not just formal rights, to the minorities that are within it”.

On this episode of Talk to Al Jazeera, Yehuda Bauer talks to Teymoor Nabili about being a historian in a region where there are as many versions of history as there are people telling them, Jewish identity and extremism and navigating between conservative Jews and Palestinians.

“There is a certain closeness in attitudes, in outlooks, in social psychology …. We are cousins. Cousins very often quarrel in a very unpleasant way, but I think that we could arrive at an arrangement where live and let live could become a viable option – it is not now, obviously, but it could become that. There is a danger of a violent Jewish radical, genocidal nationalism with a minority of Israeli Jews. There is such a minority, it’s very dangerous, I think we have to exert great pressure on these people to limit that, and finally to conquer it. This group of radical Jewish nationalists, genocidal radical Jewish nationalists, are a mirror image of radical Islam that wants to annihilate all the Jews in the world. But on both sides there is a danger. Here it is a minority, but that could change ….”

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  • H. Torrance Griffin

    A) It is imperative that Israel establish full protection under the law for all it’s citizenry in fact as well as in theory. Indeed, on the most coldly pragmatic level a smart Israeli government would be handing out passports and housing aid to any Palestinian willing to forswear the armed struggle and write off property claims IMO.

    B) Any One-State Solution that does not involve exestential war with a nuclear-armed state will have to convince the bulk of the “Zionists” that it is not a code word for Shoah 2.0. I noticed South Africa mentioned in another comment, and advise that the concessions made toward the whites there be studied closely.

  • Géji

    @Skeptic, I told you before and even many more times before that, best for you is to be “wise” finally using some of that “wisdom” behind your fictitious name. Until then, there is no need for any of us to waste time discussing with a junky who’s obviously intoxicated via eachday injection on Zionism junk.

  • http://www.muslimamerica.net/ma/dominion.htm Hajj Dawud

    Inspired by Muhammad (to make like a rug and lie) writes: Can you stop viewing Islam through your Christian eyes.

    Those appear to be your Christian eyes or perhaps older than that ~ the Qur’an authenticates the Hebrew Scripture, which contains the Good News that never reached Roman Christians. What you’re seeing is the muslim view, through the Qur’an, of the Christian Scriptures. That’s simply part of the “Give Good News to the Faithful” mandate given to muslims, it’s not a matter of “Christian eyes” other than the readers who are faithful Christians ~ or pretenders like yourself.

    I grew up surrounded by Christians, for whom I had a great deal of pity on account of their delusional psychoses, sown among their predecessors in Rome and Greece by scholars of the False Tradition of the pharisees. I was never a “Christian,” certainly not of the Romanized Talmud, and shared no Christian behaviors or perspectives.

    My path to Islam never came near any Christianity, and my path in Islam leads me to “make Islam known” and “give good news to the faithful” of all religions, including Christianity by making God’s Word ~ Jesus ~ known to them according to their understanding from their Scriptures that most of them don’t read. You can find two hundred pages of that, free to download from this page. All of the Christians who read what I wrote about Jesus on their forum agreed with me, except two or three Talmudic Christian zionists.

    This is NOT traditional Islamic belief.

    I am quite certain that I am more conversant with “traditional Islamic belief” than you pretend to be.

    I asked you before to stop using Islam as a tool for your own Jew hatred.

    Again the “mirror effect” of practicing Islam ~ any “Jew hatred” you see here is yours.

    You are such a waste of time and bandwidth ~ but I see I’m not the only one who appreciates the opportunities you provide for demolishing large lies with tiny bits of truth.

    @Sir Stephen: Every Book of the Old Testament (except Esther and possibly Jonah) mentions the Messenger or Islam or our practices or the Signs of the fulfillment of Jeremiah 31:31-32, and the name “Muhammad” is in the Song of Solomon, you can hear it in the recitation of the Hebrew. There is nothing inexplicit or unclear about any of those prophecies. Twenty Jewish clans ~ the first settlers of what is now called Madinah ~ didn’t get there by “wandering in the desert,” they followed Isaiah 21:14-17 to the exact place they knew the Messenger of the Covenant would come.

    But the Qur’an tells us to not take the Jews and Christians as “protecting friends,” because our interests are … mmm … not considered important by them. When the oldest Jewish bialy and bagel shop in New York City was rescued by two Muslim cab drivers who are keeping it kosher, they gained a lot of Jewish friends.

    Don’t you just love it when a liar hands you a megaphone?

  • Géji

    >”We sustain the existence of the state of Saudi Arabia,”

    @Believing Atheist, first of all, although I’m sure it is the Saudi regime you’re referring to when you saying “sustain the existence”, and not of the country nor Saudi people themselfs, and I understand of where you’re coming from about, but the way you worded your statement is very misleading and very offensive to Saudi people, because even me who’s not even a Saudi is taking offence of your “wording” way, so imagine what a Saudi may think, therefore please if I may I’ll suggest you use better wording next time, cause I’m certain you yourself as citizen would be offended if anyone told you “we sustain your existence”, that I’m sure-of. Second of all, you’re very right that Empire aka US of A, is “sustaining” the very existence of Al-Saud regime, nothing new here though. But isn’t that precisely what Empire thrives on anyway? a globally well in placed dictators that oppresses their people, so that Empire can take advantage to the fullest? And as for the human rights violations, well that’s another precisely aimed goal for both dictators (including the Zionist regime) and their big-boss Empire, for sure it is in their interest to maintain those human right violations, because a “Spring-free” societies means a “winter-jailed” for both Empire and its dictator proxies.

  • http://www.mystic444.wordpress.com Stephen G. Parker

    “Inspired by Mohammad” wrote: “Hajji Dawud

    After the Qur’an had manifested an absolutely clear Sign that Muhammad was the Messenger of the Covenant of the Hebrew Scruptures,

    Can you stop viewing Islam through your Christian eyes. This is NOT traditional Islamic belief. I asked you before to stop using Islam as a tool for your own Jew hatred.”

    No doubt “Hajj Dawud” will give his own response; but after trying for some time, I simply can’t refrain from expressing my own amazement at what you’ve written.

    You say that to recognize Muhammad (peace be with him and his family) as the confirmation and fulfillment of the Hebrew Prophets’ predictions of a coming Prophet and Messenger of the Covenant is to “view Islam through Christian eyes”??? You must be joking, because that sure is funny! :lol: Christians claim that Jesus Christ (peace be with him) is the fulfillment of all of the Hebrew prophecies about a coming Messenger, and denounce Islam for saying otherwise.

    And to say that this view (that the Prophet Muhammad is the Messenger of the Covenant) is NOT traditional Islamic belief is so absurd, that again I have to say you must be joking. Since you claim that Muhammad is a source of inspiration for you, you surely know that over and over in the Qur’an it is asserted that Muhammad is God’s Messenger who was written of in the Torah and the Gospel, and who confirms, fulfills, completes, and perfects those prophecies. Here’s just one of the mentions of this fact in the Qur’an:

    “Those who follow the messenger, the unlettered Prophet, whom they find mentioned in their own (scriptures),- in the law and the Gospel;- for he commands them what is just and forbids them what is evil; he allows them as lawful what is good (and pure) and prohibits them from what is bad (and impure); He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them. So it is those who believe in him, honour him, help him, and follow the light which is sent down with him,- it is they who will prosper.” (7:157, Yusuf Ali)

    Muhammad came bringing a new Law and Covenant – commanding what is good, and forbidding what is evil – and it supersedes and replaces the former Law and Covenant (“He releases them from their heavy burdens and from the yokes that are upon them”); and this was written about in the Law and Gospel.

    From my reading of Muslim writings thus far, it is clear to me that it is very common for Muslims who have any knowledge of the Jewish and Christian Scriptures to claim that Muhammad is indeed the one whom God sent to “…make a new covenant with the house of Israel and the house of Judah, not like the covenant which I made with them when I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt…” (Jeremiah 31:31 and 32); and that he is the one spoken of by Malachi (3:1): “Behold I send my messenger to prepare the way before me, and the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold he is coming, says the LORD of hosts”.

    Jews and Christians will of course deny the identification of this messenger as being Muhammad. But it is most certainly a traditional Islamic viewpoint. Were you then being humorous?

    And how is it “Jew hatred” to believe this, and the other historical information which Hajj Dawud wrote about (and which is clearly spoken of in the Qur’an and Muslim histories)? Do you agree with our Islamophobes that Muhammad was a “Jew hater” (God forbid)?? Will you agree with the anti-Muslim crowd that because the Qur’an says not to take the Jews and Christians as friends and allies, that makes the Muhammad a hater of Jews and Christians? If not, you have no cause to make such accusations against Hajj Dawud.

  • JT

    “It is apparent to any objective observer that this is really what Islam brings to the world: the torture of children and the rape of infidel women.”

    What is apparent is that you are generalising. The criminals of any country do not represent the whole society. If you think they do, then I am more than happy to judge all Americans by the actions of their criminals.

  • http://www.bandofstrangers.org Jack Cope

    Pascal, can you show me where said Pakistanis are following Islam? Or are they just following tribal customs? If what they are doing is ‘Islamic’ then why aren’t all Muslims doing it? And why do others who are not Muslim also carry out such acts? Also, are all Pakistanis carrying out said acts or is it the actions of a few?

    Yearp, I’m happy to talk about Pakistan, are you?

    Jack

  • Daniel

    Here is a link to a thoughtful opinion piece on this: http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2012/01/2012114143038377629.html

  • Believing Atheist

    I believe that the massacre of the Banu Qurayza as told by Ibn Ishaq may or may not be true. Ibn Ishaq has a habit of relying on weak chain of transmissions. That’s why Al-Dahabi concluded any narration through him to be munkar (which means to be denounced).

    I am not sure about this particular story but Ibn Ishaq relied on Muhammad ibn al-Hajjaj al-Lakhmi for the killing of Asma bint Marwan.

    But Al-Daraqutni and Yahya ibn Ma’een denounced al-Lakhmi as being a compulsive liar.

    So Ibn Ishaq relies on people who fabricate stories.

  • Thillo

    Should have written: to each his own.

  • Pascal

    Of course, no one among you Islamophiliacs will ever bother to discuss the events in Pakistan:

    http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/homepage/news/detail/articolo/pakistan-pakistan-11702/

    Pakistan is one of the largest Muslim countries in the world. It is anything but “fringe” or “tiny”. It is apparent to any objective observer that this is really what Islam brings to the world: the torture of children and the rape of infidel women.

  • http://www.inspiredbymohammed.com Inspired by Mohammad

    Hajji Dawud

    After the Qur’an had manifested an absolutely clear Sign that Muhammad was the Messenger of the Covenant of the Hebrew Scruptures,

    Can you stop viewing Islam through your Christian eyes. This is NOT traditional Islamic belief. I asked you before to stop using Islam as a tool for your own Jew hatred.

  • Thillo

    @Hajj Dawud

    Sharia is the official basis for state laws in Saudi Arabia and it maintains religious courts for all aspects of law meaning, Islam determines both the spiritual and temporal lives of the state where sharia law is enforced.

    Some will say it’s a theocracy and some will say it’s a monarchy with religious laws. To each is own I suppose.

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