The mosque that was attacked
It wasn’t too long ago that Robert Spencer went on a speaking tour in Australia. Did he inspire the Aussie “gentleman” below? What we do know is that this guy is a creep who hates Islam and Muslims and is willing to use violence to make his point, including intimidating elderly women. Of course, in the feverish minds of the Islamophobes this man was just practicing “free speech.”(H/T: Nasser AlK):
Bosnian Mosque in Melbourne under attack, 04.02.2012
(TalkBosnia.net)
VIC Melbourne, 04.02.2012: The Bosnian mosque in Deer Park has been attacked, a man went on a rampage ripping the Qur’ans (around 50) and flushing them down the toilet.
February 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Geez, what a nut-he should be forced to clean out the toliets for a month.
February 6th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
@Mindy not clean but he should be forced to pay for the damage. I mean because of all that paper those toilets probably are clogged now.
February 6th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Stay away from that blocked toilet for a while……
Is that a floor toilet? I have never a toilet like that.
February 6th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Not sure how this person would have reacted towards a Hafiz(a person who has memorized the Quran by heart).
This person has caused so much hurt for the faithful worshipers.
February 6th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
First of all, let me say that the people of Loonwatch have won my respect. After a single two-line posting at Little Green Footballs I was banned. One posting, two lines. Now that’s closed mindedness. But as I look around here, Loonwatch has posted all kinds of dissenting opinions. This is admirable. If you keep this up, we may actually have a dialogue and find some answers. Stranger things have happened.
On to my response to this story.
I would have to say, that by its very rarity, this story shows that Muslims have NOT been harrassed in the West. The Internment Camps are nowhere to be found. The RightWingFanatics don’t exist. Any opposition to Muslim “encroachment” has been done through completely legitimate speech or the political process, not through systemic racism, let alone through intimidation or violence.
Now what do you think of that, Loonwatch?
Let us contrast the treatment of minorities in Muslim lands. Let me remind you that the entire Medeterranian Rim, every country from Turkey to Morrocco, was at one time a prosperous Christian civilization. So what happened? Do you think there was any Imperialism involved in this remarkable transformation? Do you think anyone suffered along the way?
Now, even if there are lots of Muslims who do heroically defend the Christians in Egypt, the point is that they NEED defending. This is true for religious minorities in a lot of places in the East. So this guy went on a “rampage” and tore up some holy books. I’m not defending it, but frankly, it’s not much of a rampage. He did not blow up 50 worshippers on Christmas Eve. If this rampage makes your blood boil, you need to hear the stories of the killings of Egyptian Christians.
So what I would say, is that the Loon Scare is primarily a fiction, and what you need to do is issue a retraction, and shut down this site.
February 6th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
I would have to say, that by its very rarity, this story shows that Muslims have NOT been harrassed in the West. The Internment Camps are nowhere to be found. The RightWingFanatics don’t exist. Any opposition to Muslim “encroachment” has been done through completely legitimate speech or the political process, not through systemic racism, let alone through intimidation or violence.”
What planet are you from?! Have you not heard of Gitmo, the attacks against Muslims since 9/11, all the right wing fanatics who have an influence on these attacks, and media shutting out anything positive about Muslims and exposing only the negatives about Muslims?! You’re obviously new here to LW which has exposed all this and more!
“So what I would say, is that the Loon Scare is primarily a fiction, and what you need to do is issue a retraction, and shut down this site.”
It’s obvious you’re not here for a dialogue but just wasting our time.
Goodbye!
February 6th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Alan Kayda=Barry Sommer
February 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
@Alan Kayda:
Killing by ANYONE for no reason other than race, colour, creed is unconscionable and unacceptable. Just because a Muslim does something wrong/bad doesn’t mean its done “in the name of Islam”. Many things which Muslims do are actually banned in Islam.
February 7th, 2012 at 12:01 am
@khushboo
No, actually I haven’t heard of these attacks against Muslims since 9/11. I read the paper every day and I haven’t seen a lot of stories about attacks against Muslims.
Can you give me a link to a list of attacks on Muslims in the West since 9-11?
@Jacobin777
I am not saying that the violent Muslims represent Islam. Every Muslim that I am acquainted with is neither more nor less than a perfectly ordinary person just like anyone else. I don’t know any radical Muslims. I’ve never met one.
However, people such as yourself and Loonwatch readers expected that there would be wide-spread violence against Muslims in the wake of 9-11. You thought we would round them up and put them in camps. You expected to see violent pogroms and cross burnings.
But nothing like that happened. Muslims have not been shunned, or hustled out of jobs or neighbourhoods, or anything like that. You do, however, have this guy in Austrialia tearing up holy books and flushing them down the toilet. So congratulations for that.
I think the West deserves credit for learning from its past mistakes in discrimination and not doing it any more.
What there is against Muslims, I confess, is a lot of speech and political action. That’s what your “Loons” have been doing.
What I said was that the “holy paper rampage” in Australia was a rare instance where someone actually acted out, and by comparison to hundreds of violent acts in the Middle East, it’s not much of a “rampage.”
Maybe it’s time for Loonwatch to go where the violence is and get excited about the real suffering that’s going on in the ME.
February 7th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Al. Kayda says, “Any opposition to Muslim ‘encroachment’ has been done through completely legitimate speech or the political process, not through systemic racism, let alone through intimidation or violence. … So what I would say, is that the Loon Scare is primarily a fiction, and what you need to do is issue a retraction, and shut down this site.”
Let’s even put aside the documented violent opposition to Muslims and assume the first sentence quoted is correct. The argument is then: opposition to Muslims has been through speech, so therefore you should not have a website that combats such views through (electronic) speech.
Ahh, the well-accepted theory that if one side uses speech, the other apparently should not reply with speech of its own???
February 7th, 2012 at 2:26 am
What paper do you read barry ?
Apart from Toilet paper ?
February 7th, 2012 at 3:38 am
I live down the road from the mosque and i find out about this through loonwatch?!
February 7th, 2012 at 3:43 am
@ Alan Kayda…Gandhi once said you cannot shake hands with a closed fist. You my friend, have a closed fist.
February 7th, 2012 at 6:02 am
@Kayda
“No, actually I haven’t heard of these attacks against Muslims since 9/11″
Funny, You’ve never heard of Sodhi? or the other 1000+ Islamophobic attacks the FBI lists? (Oh wait, you probably that all FBI agents are Muslim “apologists”)
“I don’t know any radical Muslims. I’ve never met one.”
You’ve never met any radical Muslims yet you believe Wilders and Savage when they say there is no such thing as a Moderate Muslim. (Thats like saying: I’ve never met any aliens but I believe every bright light in the sky is a UFO because some nut tells me they are.)
February 7th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Alan Kayda,
Are you trolling, or …? You land on this site and you do not read through a few of the articles, so you completely miss all the mosque attack stories, Muslim attack stories, vandalism, hate…must I go on? Most of the stories here won’t get played on mainstream networks. Kim Kardashian is more important anyway
Why should we spoon feed you the answers?
Oh and since you’re trying to draw comparisons from the holocaust into this, why don’t you read the LW articles that expose the similarities between this “harmless speech and political action” and Nazi propaganda that dehumanised the Jews. Let’s not even get to the violence against Muslims (again, look around before assuming there is no violence, just because you weren’t spoon fed the stories).
I guess I might direct you to an interesting read or two – in case you’re genuine (although, I think you’re trolling)
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/11/robert-spencer-and-julius-streicher-islamophobia-and-anti-semitism-same-message-different-minority/
http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/12/jeff-sparrow-the-long-long-road-to-utoya/
@Yasmeen,
For some strange reason, every news channel and morning show that I watched today had a story about the “Super Bowl”. Last time I checked this wasn’t America o.O
Ps. Could you imagine what would happen if Sheikh Al Hilali did something? The TV and newspapers would be up in arms!
February 7th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Alan, have a fun read! I’m sure you’ll enjoy this:
http://www.islamophobia-watch.com/islamophobia-watch/category/usa
or will you simply ignore it?
February 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Alan Kayda, even if you’re right that it is “just speech” then still this site has a purpose — to counter the hateful speech of the Islamophobes.
February 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
The Qur’an flusher ought to be made to clean all the toilets in Deer Park with his tongue.
@ Alan Kayda: What about Anders Breivik?
February 7th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Sorry I don’t know where to post this story but Eric Allen Bell has attacked loonwatch again at frontpage magazine.
His attack is filled with lies.
Here is a quote: “I mentioned the popular Islamophobia watchdog site “Loonwatch” and how I had noticed a pattern of deflection all criticisms of radical and violent Islam by calling anyone who publicly raises these concerns a “Loon” and how I felt this was an intentional effort to provide a smoke screen for the terrorists. I also noted that everything Loonwatch said was in lockstep with the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) and now CAIR was named an unindicted co-conspirator in the prosecution of the Holy Land Foundation – the largest Islamic charity at one time, which was found to be funneling monies to Islamic terrorist organizations. I also noted that CAIR had ties to both Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood and that Al Qeada had come out of the Muslim Brotherhood.”
http://frontpagemag.com/2012/02/07/the-high-price-of-telling-the-truth-about-islam/
He is using guilt by association tactics and other lies. Loonwatch has zero affiliation with CAIR. I will be back after work to refute him some more.
February 7th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
One more thing I’ve come across the internet and this should also be considered a reply to Al Kayda (Al Qaeda). Are you aware that the man who once ran Gitmo considers it a failure?
Morris Davis the man who ran gitmo considers it a travesty of justice.
See his article on Salon, titled Guantanamo’s deepening failure.
http://www.salon.com/2012/02/07/guantanamos_deepening_failure/
February 7th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Thanks guys, I’ll read everything.
Yes, you do have the right to counter speech with speech. I take that one back.
I was not referring to the Nazi concentration camps. I was referring to the Japanese internment camps. That was a different travesty.
I’ll take a good look at everything, I promise.
February 7th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Thanks for the info BA! I think it’s awesome that LW is getting publicity!
Al K, I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt and hope that you read everything with an open mind. Take Care!
Peace!
February 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Believing Atheist,
Loon Watch is not affiliated with CAIR, but I do not see it as a problem if it were. There are lots of worthy organisations, CAIR is one of them. Ahmed Rehab from CAIR has been published here. If there is a suspect member or two, it does not discredit the whole group.
February 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
It is not right.
The toilets deserve more respect than that.
February 7th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
@Inspired
Don’t put words in my mouth. Did I say CAIR was a problem? Please quote me in saying that if you can’t don’t make hasty assumptions about me. There is a reason I tend to ignore you, I hope you figure out why very soon.
February 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Believing Atheist
There is a reason I tend to ignore you, I hope you figure out why very soon.
You just proved above that you don’t ignore me, anyway you cannot post in a forum and ignore people.
If you do, i’ll provoke a response out of you
February 7th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I live in Melbourne. About 2 kms from the Mosque in Preston. I have noticed graffiti drawn at public places like tramstops nearby, such as swastikas with phrases such as F… Israel. etc.
Hmmm. Wonder who is responsible for that. I also wonder why Jewish institutions here need 24/7 security?
February 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Andrew, did your friends draw those graffitis to blame it on Muslims?? or perhaps they were white supremacists?? Did you think about that? No, ofcourse you didn’t!
Looks like mosques will need 24/7 security too or perhaps you and your friend should confess and clean the toilets.
February 7th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Khushboo. You don’t know me. So how could you know who my “friends” are? Who do think they are btw? Do you have esp.
Yes, I did think about “white supremacists”. Sorry, we don’t have many of them here. And their targets here ain’t Jews or muslims. Its asians. Did you think about that?
I suppose you think 9/11 was an inside job as well.
I live near the Preston Mosque and it dosent have 24/7 security. What makes you think it needs it. And who is this “friend” of mine”.
February 7th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Another name change for you, Barry Sommer? This time calling yourself “Ayesha Mohammad”. Don’t you have an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting to attend? And Andrew: We condemn Anti-Semitism, too.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
All holy books( Bible, Torat, zaboor and Quran) are been sent by ALLAH for guidence of mankind in different eras, Quran is the last holy book..
Muslims respect all books so everyone respects all books..
Holy Quran is almost 1400 years old book but no one can make even one word changing in it… you know why…. Allah Says in Quran” whe have send this book and we will protect this book”
Hence this man should read this quran and try to understand what is this book saying… so everyone above pls find sometime and study it..
February 11th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
@Shezi
Just for clarification, Allah did not reveal the Bible. He revelaed the Torat(Torah) to Moses(pbuh), Zaboor(Psalms) to David(pbuh), Injeel(Gospels)to Jesus(pbuh)and finally Quran to Muhammad(pbuh).
February 11th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
@Sam
Thank you for correction.. what i need to give a message,, we should respect the holy book.. you never see anywhere muslims burn any religious book to make the follower hurt.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:25 am
@Shezi, exactly..Muslims do repect all holy books by not burning them.