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France: Shooter Targeting North Africans, Caribbeans and Jews

Abel_Chennouf

Murder victim Abel Chennouf (left) was due to become a father with his partner (right)

A killer on the loose on a “powerful moped?” That’s kind of comical but the results have been tragic, as this murderer is going around targeting people of ethnic and religious minorities. (H/T: Zakariya Ali Sher) 

*Ahmed makes some good points:

This could be a “Muslim”. That the three French troops happened to be ethnic minorities might just be a coincidence. So it could be possible that this is a Muslim extremist who is targeting French troops and Jews.

Of course, the sensible thing is for people not to speculate until more evidence comes through. I did notice at Fox News Forums this morning however that they were all going mental over this, saying it is the fault of the French for letting all those Muslims in and having gun control. So if it ends up not being a Muslim, they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for politicising a horrendous spate of killings.

Lets not jump to conclusions.

Shootings in Toulouse and Montauban: What we know

(BBC)

Three gun attacks which left seven people dead and two wounded have sparked a security alert in south-western France, with fears that the same killer could be at work.

In each case the attacker is said to have been a gunman on a moped, using a weapon of the same calibre, striking in broad daylight.

All of the attacks took place within a radius of about 50km (30 miles), between the city of Toulouse and town of Montauban.

The first two shootings saw soldiers targeted but the third took place at a school.

What the victims have in common is that they belong to, or are associated with, ethnic or religious minorities – North African, Caribbean and Jewish.

That they were singled out is suggested by reports that, in at least one attack, the killer pushed aside a bystander to get to his victims.

A manhunt is under way and France has placed its national judicial police in charge of the investigation, with anti-terrorist investigators and specialists in serial crimes at its disposal.

While little has been reported about the identity or motivation of, in the words of Le Figaro newspaper, the “most wanted man in France”, some of the strongest clues may have been left by the first attack.

Cyber trail

Investigators believe it is “highly plausible” that the same .45 calibre gun was used in the first two shootings, a judicial source told France’s AFP news agency several days before the third.

On Sunday 11 March, Imad Ibn-Ziaten, a 30-year-old staff sergeant in the 1st Airborne Transportation Regiment, was shot dead around 16:00 (15:00 GMT) behind a school in a quiet district of Toulouse.

According to Le Figaro, Sgt Ibn-Ziaten, who was not in uniform, was unwittingly waiting for his own killer.

He had posted a small ad on a website to sell a Suzuki Bandit motorcycle, and the suspected gunman had arranged a meeting to see it.

The sergeant was found shot in the head, his motorcycle beside him.

French cyber police are working to extract clues from the two men’s internet exchanges, Le Figaro says.

Sgt Ibn-Ziaten had a clean service record, prosecutors stressed, rejecting suggestions that there could have been a gangland element to his murder.

‘Tattoo’

In the second attack, in Montauban on Thursday 15 March, 46 surveillance cameras picked up the gunman on his scooter, according to Le Figaro.

They showed “a man in dark clothing wearing a black helmet and riding a powerful moped”.

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  • Amerimonkey

    Isn’t Imad Ibn-Ziaten a Muslim name?

  • Laurent Weppe

    does not fit the M.O of an islamist extremist. I am suprised that there is not more hoopla about the killer in france.

    Not more “hooopla”? All french media have been making their headlines about this non-stop.

    ***

    All of the soldiers murdered, one (the one without the uniform), was shot 11 March, and the three others belonged to a ‘parachute regiment’ (I dont know what that is…so someone tell me).

    “Un regiment de parachutistes” means a “skydivers regiment”: this is the name given to the airborne troops of the french army.

    *

    The news is also reporting that ALL of the victims murdered in the school were related

    Three of the victims were a father and his two sons, the fourth was the director’s daughter. Whether the three first victims and the fourth are related or not, I don’t know.

    *

    and that the weapon used in all of the murders is the same.

    The same weapon was used for the first two murders, a second weapon was used to kill the first three victims, then, when it jammed, The killer switched back to his first weapon.

  • ali

    Anyone catch Erin Burnett today? She’s the worlds worst reporter, she’s clueless on everything, and I have no clue why CNN brought her on. She has the qualities FOX news wants.

    Notice the spins she always puts on. She automatically called the shooter a Muslim, and ignored the fact that the shooter killed three Muslims as well. CNN is not covering that part.

    Aside form her constant war mongering against Iran, and her baseless accusations, its good to see she has low raitings.

  • JD

    Here is a good article I think everyone should read
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    Toulouse shootings: race, religion and murder

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/19/toulouse-shootings-race-religion-murder-france

    Over the past few years of recession and regression, it has become a trite truism of European politics that you can’t go wrong going to the right. Politicians across the continent have found a new magic formula for electoral success and survival by playing on fears of foreigners and particularly of Islam – the wink and a nod that says that immigration has been the root of our social and economic decline. This is by no means an exclusively rightwing vice. Anyone who has heard the Dutch Labour party recently will have difficulty putting light between them and the demagogue Geert Wilders.

    Until today, they might have tried to argue that there was no harm in it, that it’s healthy even, a rebalancing of the scales after two decades of biting our tongues and creeping political correctness.

    The French airwaves have been full of such ugly equivocation these past few weeks as Nicolas Sarkozy has lurched his party wildly to the right in an attempt to save his skin, claiming there were “too many immigrants in France” and stoking Islamophobia with a ridiculous claim that the French were being secretly forced to eat halal; his prime minister François Fillon even said Jews and Muslims should put their dietary laws behind them and embrace modernity.

    Claude Guéant, the interior minister who took personal control of the investigation, has been the most consistently xenophobic, championing the superiority of European Christian civilisation over lesser cultures who force their women to cover up – yes, observant Jews and Muslims, he meant you. The nadir came last week when Sarkozy’s new immigration chief Arno Klarsfeld – the eldest son, ironically, of Nazi-hunter Serge Klarsfeld – called for a wall to be built between Greece and Turkey to save Europe from barbarian invaders.

    Today in Toulouse we have been given a horrific illustration of where such delirious cynicism can lead. All of those who have been shot or killed in and around the city in the past eight days have had one thing in common. They are from visible minorities. They had names or faces that marked them out as not being descended, as Jean-Marie Le Pen would say, from “our ancestors the Gauls”. Their roots – both Jewish and Muslim – were in the Maghreb or the Caribbean. They were, in short, a snapshot of la France metissée – the mixed race, immigrant France that works hard and “gets up early” to empty bins and look after children; the people who die disproportionately for France yet who are also most often locked up in its prisons and crumbling banlieues.

    As one father said this morning as he hugged his son to him outside the school, “They are attacking us because we are different.”

    Police are a long way yet from catching, never mind understanding, what was going through the head of someone who could catch a little girl by the hair so he wouldn’t have to waste a second bullet on her. But some things are already becoming clear. He shouted no jihadist or anti-Semitic slogans, going about his grisly business in the cold, military manner oddly similar to Anders Behring Breivik, the Norwegian gunman who massacred 77 people at a social democrats summer camp last summer.

    As with Breivik, politicians will be quick to the thesis of the lone madman. Another lone madman influenced by nothing but his own distorted mind, like the lone gang of neo-Nazis who had been quietly killing Turks and Greeks in Germany for years unbothered by the police, who preferred to put the murders down to feuds or honour killings.

    What could be the link, they ask, between Jewish children and French military personnel? The link is they are both seen – and not just by a far-right fringe – as symbols of all that has sabotaged la France forte, to borrow Sarkozy’s election slogan. Confessional schools, be they Jewish or an informal weekend madrassa, are seen as actively undermining the secular Republic by activists of groups like the Bloc Identitaire and the Front National, as well as some members of Sarkozy’s UMP, and even some on the left.

    A black man or a Muslim, particularly one of Algerian origin, in a paratrooper’s uniform touches a raw nerve among the old guard of the far right. It was the paratroopers who did the bulk of the dirty work to keep Algeria French, and who also tried to oust De Gaulle when he went against them.

    Today is the 50th anniversary of the end of that war that left more than a million dead and two countries twisted and contorted by the pain of it in almost equal and opposite ways.

    Not even Sarkozy, who has most politically to lose from these killings, is trying to hide the link with race and religion. Just as he echoed the old National Front slogan “Love France or leave it” and then denied he ever said it, he yesterday called on the French people to stand up “against hate”, having spent the past few months manically stirring it. The next 34 days will see whether he will be swept away by the storm he has helped to start.

  • NurAlia

    The media read is a little different.

    All of the soldiers murdered, one (the one without the uniform), was shot 11 March, and the three others belonged to a ‘parachute regiment’ (I dont know what that is…so someone tell me). This man, and one of the other three, all ‘of African or Carribean origin’ was Muslim.

    The news is also reporting that ALL of the victims murdered in the school were related, and that the weapon used in all of the murders is the same.

    I found some storys more closly related to the Xinhua story I read…but unfortnatly the story I read is in Chinese.

    but, here are the links of you will read them.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/mar/19/toulouse-shooting-three-killed-jewish-school?newsfeed=true

    and…

    http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/03/french-schoolchildren-killed-by-a-lone-gunman.html

    Hopefully, this will not turn into political fodder for the candidates running for election in France. We should wish justice to the fullest for the killers, and hope peace and wellness for all of those affected by this ugly act.

  • http://ilfdinar.wordpress.com/ ilfdinar

    does not fit the M.O of an islamist extremist. I am suprised that there is not more hoopla about the killer in france. if the killer killed white people the media would have covered it before

  • JD

    There also this story few months back

    Synagogue Attacks In New Jersey Stir Concern

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/01/13/synagogue-attacks-new-jersey_n_1202933.html

    Someone was going around burning Synagogues and guess who was blamed .
    It turned out to be Aakash Dalal, a New Brunswick resident and Anthony Graziano

  • JD

    BBC news Police say the .45 was the same gun used to kill three soldiers in two separate shootings in Toulouse and the nearby city of Montauban last week. All three were of North African or Caribbean origin.

    So I think it may be ” They Took Our Jerbs ” muslims blacks are 99% criminals in france Right wing idiots but its too early

    @ Awesome that is based on the ignorant view criminals follow law rules and buy register there gun legally Criminals will always will be able to get guns no matter what and they wont register it so noone can keep track of what they do. People who get guns for self defense get them in a legal way and register them so they can be tracked

  • Sulayman

    debbie schlussul is blaming Muslims, she is right sicko, loowatch could you cover this?

    http://www.debbieschlussel.com/48190/four-shot-dead-jewish-school-in-france-guess-the-religion/

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    mmm I live in France and approve of the strict gun control if only to stop awsome getting one near me .
    If there was no gun control then maybe this loon would have had an AK47 or an ouzi

  • Awesome

    Whoever he was, he would have been taken down when he attempted to pull off the first attack, if there weren’t so much gun control to prevent people from defending themselves.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Thanks Laurent
    I did not know that

  • Laurent Weppe

    The first guy was not in uniform , so how could the nutter know he was a soldier .

    The first guy put an ad on the net for his motorbike, writting in it his first name (“Imad”) and his job as a soldier: so the killer knew about it.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Laurent
    The first guy was not in uniform , so how could the nutter know he was a soldier . ( unless he knew him personally in which case the police will catch him tout suit as they say round here ) There for a right wing loon is the most likely and since the shooter is comfortable with weapons despite gun control most likely ex army.
    I am confident the police will get him plus with the election coming up the pressure on the police will be immence. Would not surprise me if it ends in a shoot out .

  • Laurent Weppe

    This could be a “Muslim”. That the three French troops happened to be ethnic minorities might just be a coincidence. So it could be possible that this is a Muslim extremist who is targeting French troops and Jews.

    Right know, french police is saying that the three most likely scenarios are the murders being commited by a muslim extremist targeting “traitors” (the soldiers) and Jews Or a far-right extremist targeting minorities,Or a neo-nazi ex-soldier starting a bloodbath as revenge for having been fired from the army.

  • rookie

    Searching machine “Google” keeps finding this content on “Jihadwatch”:

    -Gunman with “possible terrorist links” murders 4 outside

    -Jewish …www.jihadwatch.org/…/gunman-with-possible-te… –

    5 hours ago – TOULOUSE, France (AP) — A motorcycle gunman opened fire Monday in front of a Jewish school in the French city of Toulouse, killing a rabbi, …

    But, Bobby-boy removed the text…for some reason…

  • JD

    and comments sections all over are full of comments how since the victim was jewish it must be them moslem since all muslims hate jews …
    and Whitepower and Nazi group have all turn a new leaf

  • Al

    This is sad. It is always sad when innocents get it.

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  • mjasghar

    bbc reporting Israeli gov suggesting terroroism.
    Maybe this is a Mossad false flag, to draw pressure of themselves or increase votes for antiMujslim facists?

  • Ahmed

    This could be a “Muslim”. That the three French troops happened to be ethnic minorities might just be a coincidence. So it could be possible that this is a Muslim extremist who is targeting French troops and Jews.

    Of course, the sensible thing is for people not to speculate until more evidence comes through. I did notice at Fox News Forums this morning however that they were all going mental over this, saying it is the fault of the French for letting all those Muslims in and having gun control. So if it ends up not being a Muslim, they should be thoroughly ashamed of themselves for politicising a horrendous spate of killings.

  • TheBig-T

    are we seening another Anders Brevikkk

  • Elmo

    you screwed up their cultures through colonization and now you can’t handle it! (hint: Wilders), so now taste the same medicine! What goes around comes around! They are peacefully migrating while you violently colonized their Lands! Why don’t you stop whining about Muslims/Non-Europeans (legal immigrants) for having many children and compete with them?

    Good ole European Xenophobia!

  • Geoff Cavendish

    Jihad Watch took this one up, but have since dropped it.

  • mindy1

    May he rot in hell >:( What kind of ass targets kids and soldiers :(

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