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Another reason people may be turned off and or leave the anti-Islam bandwagon may be because they appeal to an older, lonely, above 60’s year old crowd.

Youth really don’t seem to care about the ‘counter jihad’ so much, as Reza Aslan pointed out most youth are more interested in Snookie’s “underwear” than they are topics related to bigotry or geo-politics (via. Islamophobia-Today):

Anti-Islamism common amongst the over 60s

Men at home over 65, with little education and no children reportedly represent the average reader of anti-Islam websites.

Klassekampen writes it used Alexa to examine eight sites that allegedly inspired Anders Behring Breivik and his manifesto. It claims its investigations revealed readership groups to websites Gates of Vienna, Jihad Watch, The Brussels Journal, Islam Watch, Atlas Shrugged, Tundra Tabloid, Vladtepesblog and The Green Arrow showed a clear pattern.

When presented with the results, Andreas Malm, journalist and author of the book ‘The Hate against Muslims’, told the paper, “The typical profile of conspiracy theorists are elderly, lonely men, who become obsessed with a particular question, and who may be attracted to anti-Islamic conspiracy theories.”

“There is a preponderance of older men, often unemployed, who may feel ostracized from society, and seeking for an explanation and a scapegoat,” he declared.

Tor Bach, editor of the magazine ‘Vepsen’, is not surprised. He adds that the anti-Islam organizations’ groups of older members share a common “mistrust of society and the democratic system, sincerely believing someone wishes them harm.”

“These people [also] fully believe in the existence of a conspiracy, where the Arab world will take over the European one,” concluded Mr Bach.

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  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Bye Chris
    Have a nice day . Missing you already ;-)

    Sir David

  • Chris Slater

    I think I’ve seen enough of this site and its commentators to make an assessement of its world-view, in spite of this page’s commentators’ inability to express it.

    Contrarian Da’wah. Good luck fellows, you’re on the winning side. It’s just a shame about the result.

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Chris wrote
    “Muslims are trending towards increasing conservatism and piety throughout the world”

    Damn! does that mean the leftwing muslim alliance is finished?

    In case you have not noticed Chris ,change is the norm for the world and the only thing that does not change is our inability to predict the future.

    I would suggest you read the Runnymead think tank definition of Islamaphobia before you come back on line.

    Or you could stay in your, I assume, little england bunker.

    Did you know that at the current rate of increace by 2241 over half the world will be Elvis impersonators ?
    Will they be Islamic Elvis impersonators?
    Now that is a scarey prediction. and as likely as your fears

  • http://thepenofawanderingstranger.com/personal/ Jack Cope

    Again Chris, you really doubt Europe that much? No wonder you’re scared shitless then.

    Frankly most ‘Muslim soruces’ don’t care that much about Europe, its nothing much to do with us. The only people I’ve seen saying that are the likes of Gaddafi who is hardly an authority and was raving mad. The only others I see are the trumped up kids on Internet forums and the dreamers of an ‘Islamic paradise’. Neither of these groups are really rooted in reality.

    So be my guest if you want to take the words of his ilk as the defining voice on world affairs then barricade yourself in your basement with 5 years food and a shotgun. Frankly couldn’t care less, the world will go on without you. But for laughs please explain exactly how are the Muslim masses going to take over Europe, especially given that Muslim birth rates are declining. There have been people like you saying that ‘the other’ will take over since the dawn of time, that ‘other’ just happens to be Muslims now rather than Jews, Black people, Russians or whatever. I just find your comments amusing really.

    On a side note, Islam was never an ‘alien’ religion to Europe and Europe has been in contact with Muslims for over a thousand years. Granted for times that contact was war, at others it was peaceful transfer, but it is certainly not alien.

  • Chris Slater

    I guess I should be grateful for small mercies. This site makes me feel intelligent, informed, cultured, rational and polite.

    I have to confess though that I find the world-view expressed here incomprehensible. Dealing with facts alone, over the last 50 years there has been a sharply increasing Muslim in Europe and the rate of increase shows no sign of declining. Muslim sources predict a Muslim majority around the middle of this century. What once was an alien religion ‘over there’ is now an integral part of Europe. As Tariq Ramadan says, “ . . . the fact [is] that Islam is a European religion . . .”

    Muslims are trending towards increasing conservatism and piety throughout the world. The contrast here is, as Norwegian sociologist Unni Wikan relates in her book Generous Betrayal, that Muslims are more conservative in their European host country than their co-patriots are in their country of origin. At the same time, the influence of Salafis is felt throughout the Sunni Islam world and through the generosity of the Saudi Arabian government, in top universities in the West.

    There is an increasing monoculturality of Muslim countries. The north/south split of Sudan and a likelihood of a split along the same lines in Nigeria are examples which have been forced on Muslims in their respect areas. The BBC’s Beyond Belief series on the Bosporus carried a comment about how the cultural and religious diversity of the region has all but vanished. In Sudan President Bashir promised the reinforcement of Sharia Law and to change the constitution to bring an end to the diversity of culture and ethnicity. Kosovo’s ‘Islam-lite’ (“We don’t go to the mosque much; we drink alcohol and eat pork. That’s just the Kosovar way.”) is being eroded according to Brikena Hoxha of the Kosovo Stability Initiative, a Pristina-based think tank. Islam does not have a good reputation for permitting competing religions. Compare this to governing attitudes in the Roman Empire, or in the British Empire where no effort was made to suppress vernacular beliefs.

    The Muslim sources I see on the Internet are perhaps limited since I speak only English. But there is a determination in their voices in news of demonstrations and in their presentations that Islam will dominate in Europe. I see no reason to doubt them. Unless something out of left field interferes with this progress, Islam will dominate Europe’s religious, political, social and economic thinking in the latter half of this century.

    So what is Loonwatch’s world view? A denial that any change is occurring in the religious makeup of Europe? Or that such a change is occurring, but will be for the better? Changes are inevitable so who cares? Civil war is inevitable and this clears the way for anarchist government? Brief responses only please.

    Conspiracy theory? Everything I know about Islam comes from its history and its sources. Its own narrative is what will drive the future of Europe. There’s no conspiracy at all.

  • TheBig-T

    @ Chris Slater
    you said: “Classic straw-man argumentum ad hominem. With age comes wisdom and the time to study, and from their parents to their grandchildren, four generations of understanding the significance of world-views”

    no one is disputing this fact, but the statistics found that the Majority of people who visits islamophobic websites were over 60, but it doesn’t mean that only over 60 visit these websites

    you said:”Fear of Islam is irrational? Ask that of Christians in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Denmark, Germany, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kashmir, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Netherlands, Nigeria, Norway, Northern Cyprus, Northern Sudan, Pakistan, Palestinian areas, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Uganda, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Tanzania, Turkey or Yemen. (In Europe, Christian refugees are threatened with death by Muslim refugees.)”

    yes the persecution of Christians in the middle east is sad and i condemn it, but there are still churches in many Muslim-majority countries and still have their christian communities, also not all Muslims persecute christian and nothing is found in the Qur’an that supports these actions. Lets not forget that Muslims are also being persecuted in many christian Majority countries, like the Philippines, Uganda, in Chechnya, also in China, Israel, Myanmar,etc

    and an error on your part The Philippines, Uganda, and The United Kingdom are Christian majority countries (How can their be persecution of Christians in The UK when Muslims are only 2% of the population and barely have a voice in parliament, this proves that you are just pulling countries at random with little-to-no research done on the subject to support these websites like Jihadwatch and religionofpeace).
    oh and there are Jews in Iran and they are not being persecuted by the so called “Muslamic Empire”
    if Muslim really wanted to get rid of Christians, why didn’t they execute all Christians on site once they occupied the roman lands? answer me that, you can’t because that will destroy your whole argument.
    now please crawl back to jihadwatch and continue believing in nutty conspiracy theories.

  • http://thepenofawanderingstranger.com/personal/ Jack Cope

    Chris Slater; are you really so doubting of Europe and the people there that you think that a bunch of ‘primitive Muslims’? Not your words yes but I detect something amusingly ironic in lots of stuff I read from people about how Muslims are ‘taking over'; similar to the antisemitic rants about how stupid Jews were but that at the same time they ruled the world.

    If Muslims were the large monolithic block that wanted to take over the world then they would have by now. Fact is we can’t even agree on when Ramadan ends and anyone who has sat on a Mosque Committee meeting will see just how organized we really can be over whether the water cooler should go next to the sisters prayer room or by the ablutions.

    And yes, some Muslims are evil to Christians but guess what? Some Christians are evil to Jews, some Jews are evil to Christians, some Buddhists are evil to Hindus ad infinitum. Everyone has their evil bastards in the family, what to do? And yes, please do ask the Christians in those countries, plenty of them get along just fine you know.

    There are evil people the world over, sad but true. If you’re gonna sit there like all these people over 60 whining about crap (I picture my Nanna, it seems we all do that when we get older) then do it but also realize that the world doesn’t belong to people like you. It belongs to the ones who are prepared to live with the others, not foster hate amongst them.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    JT says
    “Normally I don’t trust Alexa’s demographic statistics, but in Jihadwatch’s case, for example, the result is very clear– it appeals to older, less educated, childless men”

    mmmm like Mr Spencer maybe ;-)

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Chris Slater
    Unfortunetly with age can come dementia too .
    Can you provide any concrete statistical evidence for your mutterings ?
    Christians, all the millions and millions of them you list are all picked on by muslims ?
    Your post is nothing but paranoid delusion at best deliberate fear mongering at worst

  • Chris Slater

    Classic straw-man argumentum ad hominem. With age comes wisdom and the time to study, and from their parents to their grandchildren, four generations of understanding the significance of world-views. They also care about Europe and what happens to it, on the basis of the violence and chaos they see happening throughout history in the Islamic world.

    Fear of Islam is irrational? Ask that of Christians in Afghanistan, Algeria, Egypt, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Denmark, Germany, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Kashmir, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Lebanon, Malaysia, Maldives, Netherlands, Nigeria, Norway, Northern Cyprus, Northern Sudan, Pakistan, Palestinian areas, Philippines, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Syria, Uganda, United Kingdom, Uzbekistan, Tanzania, Turkey or Yemen. (In Europe, Christian refugees are threatened with death by Muslim refugees.)

    Forty years from now the authors will cringe at the naivety of their comments.

  • Glorfindel

    I always thought Pamela Geller looked like an lonely, older gentleman.

  • HGG

    “most youth are more interested in Snookie’s “underwear” than they are topics related to bigotry or geo-politics”

    That’s a bit of an unfair characterization. Yes, maybe the majority of youths don’t care about those topics, but those who are fighting bigotry, it seems to me, stem from that group anyway.

  • Reynardine

    Vladţepeşblog? Do they know what the FOX they’re doing? If a man like that had not the excuse of derangement (which I think he did), he would be about the most evil man that ever lived.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @mindy1

    Not surprising? I assumed that most of them would be under sixty years old. I’m kind of surprised that most of them would be old enough to be someone’s grandfather.

  • JT

    Normally I don’t trust Alexa’s demographic statistics, but in Jihadwatch’s case, for example, the result is very clear– it appeals to older, less educated, childless men. By contrast, Loonwatch’s statistics show it is popular with younger and more educated people. Alexa has “high” confidence in the statistics for Jihadwatch.

    But can we draw a conclusion from this? Does it even matter?

    It’s also important to mention that there’s absolutely nothing wrong with being old, childless or uneducated. But there is something wrong with being an Islamophobe, obviously.

  • MaratSafin

    Sorry. I find this a bit hard to swallow? How do they come up with the conclusion that most Islamophobes are over 65? The blog they are talking about is Gates of Vienna? But that isn’t so influential a blog, as to deem it important.

    Please do bear in mind that the original post which is from a Norwegian news outlet called The Foreigner, is probably only seeing it through Norwegian eyes.

  • Alhazred The Sane

    Sadly, I haven’t encountered the same in Europe. As has been the norm for decades here, those getting riled to action are young and disenfranchised, often unemployed. The immigrants are taking the jobs, etc. Witness the EDL in the UK, the rise of the extreme right in France, in Holland, in Denmark, in Poland, and most spectacularly in Hungary.

    The irrational fear of Islam is being fed to these young men, offering them something to fight against, something to blame. For those with any kind of grasp of European history, this harkens back to the late 1920s, when Germany offered up the Jew as scapegoat. What isn’t talked about is that the Nazis weren’t the only ones, and even today, in Latvia and Hungary especially, the same sentiment breeds.

    The problem goes deeper than ‘Islamophobia’. The problems faced by working and not-working classes, the greed of the elite, and specifically the corporate ownership of media that permits and encourages the fomenting of hatred towards a small, easily identified, minority to distract. Never mind Occupy Wall Street, it’s time we occupied our own minds.

  • Crow

    Ive always thought jihadwatch, fascist republic, and pamshrugs posters were lonely, bitter, hateful people, no spouse, no kids even their own families cant stand them. So they meet on these hate sites and vomit up their evil.

  • mindy1

    Not surprising

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