@infidel and Ariel: I thought I would skip responding to your comments since I doubt that you will actually come back to see what people think. But, since you’ve already been properly called out by a Muslim and an atheist, I feel that you deserve a hat trick, so add a Jew to the mix of those finding your support of Ha’ivri’s statements to be bigoted and racist.

If you think that Muslims don’t believe in facts, then go reinvent large portions of algebra, astronomy, and medicine, all of which didn’t develop in the Muslim world in the absence of facts. And if you think that only one side has shaded the truth and downplayed inconvenient facts in the Israeli-Arab conflict, you should alert historians to the fact that that may be the only major policial dispute in which one side was always telling the truth and the other dissembling.

Sorry, infidel and Ariel, but as Solid Snake says, Ha’Ivri is trampling on the legacy of the Jewish people, and your support of his views pains me. Based on your comments above, Solid Snake and Believing Atheist would each be more of a mensch than either of you.

@infidel and Ariel

My my aren’t we the little racists here…The author is a disgrace and has trampled upon the legacy of the Jewish people who suffered from such dehumanizing statements and the subsequent actions that arose from such statements. And for you to agree with such poisonous hate reveals whose side you would have chosen had you been alive during the 1930s.

So, what’s your point? David States the truth and you loons whine? What a pack of cry babies in kafias.

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@Averroes’ Ghost,

By Post-Zionist, I mean to say that Zionism for the most part has achieved its goals i.e., the assertion of the right of self-determinism for Jews in the land of their ancestors. That has already happened. Israel is a state for the Jews, it is recognized as such by the majority of the nations of the world and it has a seat in the UN.

Even Jewish sources admit this in their definition of Zionism stating:

“but ultimately, the common goal of a Jewish state in its ancient homeland was attained”
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Zionism/zionism.html
The term seems archaic now.

If your thoughts are in concurrence with JSB’s there is no need for repetition. I was just making sure it was and you have indicated now that it is.

I never forgot who is the aggressor. I wrote against Israeli aggression several times on this site. So once again for the record, I oppose the settlements, I oppose the blockade, I recognize the Nakba, I support the right of return and I want full equality between all citizens of Israel regardless of ethnicity or religion.

It seems like I am not the only one working with a preconceived notion, huh?

Anyway consider the statement in question withdrawn.

@geji
Wiki pages are one of the few links this lightweight place will post. There are a multitude of links using the same hatred from Egypt, Kuwait, Gaza, Pakistan and throughout the Islamic world.

If your version of the interpretation of the Koran is correct how do you account for the hatred against Jews being spewed in mosques in countries around the world. Do some research yourself and you’ll see that the a large portion of the vitriol is coming from Muslims, imans and scholars included, scapegoating jews for their societal problems. There is much video documentation for this, look around for yourself.

@Believing Atheist:

I don’t believe that Averroes’ Ghost was attempting to justify anything or that he was arguing to combat hate with hate.

It seems that he was simply trying to explain the observed relationship between (1) support for Palestinians and Arab nations in conflict with Israel and (2) unfavorable views of Jews (being clear that the former does not necessarily lead to the latter, just that statistically it does to some potentially measurable extent).

“unfavorable views of Jews”…I bet if you polled both Jews and Arabs before lets say the Zionist colonization of Palestine and the resulting increase in tensions, you would find that both groups probably held tolerant and good opinions of one another, it wasn’t a kumbaya but surely they lived fine together for the most part.

In Jordan, Palestinian territories, Egypt, even in the broader Muslim world negative views of Jews are related to the Israeli conflict. Now, I am not denying the existence of hate rhetoric or indoctrination but these are not the strong factors, images of killings of Palestinian children, continuing settlement and confiscation of land, bombing of countries, etc. are the chief reasons.

That is why when polled the nations in the Middle East overwhelmingly view the greatest threats to them to be not from Iran or terrorists but from Israel and the USA.

@GW Says: “geji and others, I guess hate is a two way street.”

First of all, I do not see “hate” as “a two way street”, but rather as ‘a one way street’. Why? well because those that chose to let themselves driven by hate, do seem to be traveling in same direction, kind-of on one-way Hate Street. And no matter from which corner they may “enter” on that street, and no matter the speed they’re going at, if they don’t exit on the intersections they may meet, they’ll be ending right to the dead-end destruction.

Second, by you bringing cheese “wiki” pages most likely produced by some Islamophobes do not support your case at lecturing anyone. It only proves your research skills to be dumb and weak. Also finally proving where you get the nonsensical rants you spew every time you come here.

Third, aside from the meaningless and narrow minded oriented Zionists misused and abused definition of “anti-Semitism”. And aside from Islam herself being brought to live on Semitic soil by Semitic people. And aside from me being myself an Arab Semite through my father who’s long linage of a Semitic tribe from Arabian desert dates back to thousands of years, and who’ve always refused to conform or accept the veracity and accuracy of European Zionist troops and their fateful minion like yourself to pretend and “define” who’s a “a Semite”. — Nonetheless, apart from the utterly inaccurate and misleading label of the title of your “wiki” paged, there’s nothing in your wiki-page that say Islam or her holy scripture is “anti-Judaism” or “anti-Jewish”, and it’s even stated by those quoted in your wiki-page. So the smearing label “Islam and anti-Semitism” is utterly misleading and inaccurate, again blaming Islam for the “anti-Jewish felling” that some Muslims may have, all the while clearly there’s nothing in her scripture that indicates the approval of such feelings, so in other word – it’s very Islamophobic to blame Islam for the behaviour of some Muslims, and that wicked label of your wiki page exactly leads to that. But there are also many many other Islamophobic oriented false “information” on your page, examples

Quote 1)-: ” Two Jewish tribes were expelled and the last one, the Banu Qurayza, was wiped out after it threw itself on Muhammad’s mercy.”

— This is utterly false. Some Jews who aided the enemy of their state in Medina, after signing themselves as citizens an agreement NOT to, were sentenced to death for treason under Jewish law as commanded in Judaic law. And those sentenced were those that were caught in committing directly the act of treason, meaning.. caught in the battle-field while they were fighting alongside the enemy. And their numbers have always been source of very high dispute and never agreed upon.

Quote: “The Qur’an gives credence to the Christian claim of Jews scheming against Jesus, “…but God also schemed, and God is the best of schemers”

– Who ever wrote that is misleading in combining two different verses that are not in relation and are speaking of different people. First, the Qur’an says that some Jews were planing to kill Jesus, but the “God is the best of planer” have no relation to that in specific context. It may be said in general context since they did “planed” as well to kill Jesus-(p.b.u.h), but those that “plan” wrongdoing refer to all wrongdoers, and not just those on the “Jewish side”. But that specific Quote from the Qur’an was primarily concerning the Polytheists in Mecca, but may be interpreted to mean whosoever plans to commit wrongdoings regardless of who they are.

Quote: “Walter Laqueur states that the Qur’an and its interpreters has a great many conflicting things to say about the Jews”

– The “interpreters” may have “great many conflicting things to say about the Jews”. But there is no conflicting view on Jews in the Qur’an, the Qur’an is pretty consistent with it’s views on Jews, the harsh criticisms only being directed against some wrongdoers. Even your wiki page is saying this, quote – “The Quran is engaged mainly in dealing with the sinners among the Jews” – i.e., meaning those who commit wrong, and it’s very consistent with that point.

But anyway, there are many more false “claims” that I do not have time to address, but hopefully others will correct such misleading claims. But one last point, for most people the criticism of the so-called “Jewish state” abhorrent treatment of Palestinians, does NOT equal to “anti-Jewish” or “Judeophobia”, likewise being anti-Zionism is NOT equal to the same. Although myself I’m not really against “Zionism”, as it is just an ideology like any other ideology that in itself can do no harm, if practiced peacefully. However, I’m totally against the extremist form embraced by extremist Jews, which is not only harming those that lives close to it, but also have dangerous genocidal fantasies, aside of-course being already engaged in the worst form of human evildoings. And just like I’m against all extremists that distort any ideology when in the hands and which gives the same result, thus I’m against the extremists and not the ideology. And at that, we refuse to kneel and give any credibility to extremist Zionists-(like this racist bigot that the article is talking about)- to exploit and hide their atrocities behind fake labels of “anti-semitic” at those who oppose their wicked behaviors. Most Muslims don’t and never did have-(as most historians proves)- any problems with Jews for being Jews, or with their religion of Judaism, absolutely not. But they do have huge problems with Zionists that are claiming professing Judaism while they’re engaged committing atrocities of ethnic cleansing and Apartheid against those whom ancestral land have been stole from in the most abhorrent manners.