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The Nuclear Card

Dearborn: Muslims and Members of Other Faiths Successfully Counter Anti-Muslim Conference

Posted on 30 April 2012 by Emperor

MSNBC describes it as “dueling in Dearborn.” I think the real story is the rejection of Islamophobia, and the anti-Islam outsiders who arrived only to agitate:

Dueling in Dearborn over murder of a 20-year-old woman

By Kari Huus, msnbc.com

In Dearborn Mich., a Detroit suburb known for its concentration of Muslim Americans, anti-Islam leaders from around the country are gathering to discuss how to rescue women from that faith. The “Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference on Honor Killings” on Sunday is named for a local Muslim woman murdered one year ago.

But Muslims, civil rights groups and other religious leaders say the conference is merely another event put on by well-known bigots to attack the minority religion. Their response was to schedule a town hall meeting just a few miles away on Sunday called “Rejecting Islamophobia: A Community Stand Against Hate.”

The honor killing conference, organized by Pamela Geller, who became nationally famous for her vocal opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque, aka Park 51 in Manhattan, is based on the premise that Mokdad, 20 years old when she died in April 2011, was the victim of an honor killing justified by Islam.

Mokdad’s family maintains that the killing was a tragedy that has nothing to do with their Islamic beliefs, according to a report in the Detroit Free Press.

“It’s not a case based on honor,” Macomb County Assistant Prosecutor Bill Cataldo, chief of homicide, told the Free Press on Friday.

In court, prosecutors have said the motive for Mokdad’s killing was that her stepfather, Rahim Alfetlawi had “been sexually abusing her,” Cataldo said, according to the report. They argue that when she threatened to go public about the abuse he killed her.

Cataldo said the family strongly objects to the conference using Mokdad’s killing, which they say was a tragedy that had nothing to do with their faith.

Geller insists this was an honor killing carried out by a devout Muslim because his stepdaughter was not following Islam, and that the family is covering it up. She alleges that law enforcers systematically cover up honor killings here and elsewhere under “stealth enforcement” of Islamic shariah law.

On her web site, Geller says: “Despite pressure from the media and members of Jessica’s family who want to cover up the honor killing aspect of her murder, we are not going to change the name of the conference. Unlike those closest to her, we are going to honor Jessica’s memory and stand up against the brutal practice that took her life.”

The Dearborn conference will feature speeches by Geller and Robert Spencer — author of the blog “Jihad Watch” — as well as several like-minded legal and religious figures. They have also invited a young man who says he was Mokdad’s friend to offer “firsthand testimony” that she was a victim of honor killing.

Stop the Islamization of America, which Geller and Spencer founded, has been listed as a hate group by the Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights watchdog.

“Pamela Geller is the anti-Muslim movement’s most visible and flamboyant figurehead,” according to a profile published by SPLC on its web site. ”She’s relentlessly shrill and coarse in her broad-brush denunciations of Islam and makes preposterous claims.”

The Arab American Institute, a decades-old community organization in the Detroit area, discouraged Muslims and their supporters from protesting at the site of Geller’s conference.  But they organized a competing event, said AAI president Jim Zogby, because Geller and Spencer have become too prominent to ignore.

“Geller and Spencer have thousands of followers, and are given airtime to spew their hate on major American news networks, as if they are respected analysts with just another viewpoint,” Zogby said on the AAI announcement for the “Rejecting Islamophobia” town hall in Detroit.

Although many Americans have never encountered a Muslim in person, about 43 percent questioned in a recent Gallup Poll said they felt at least “a little” prejudice against Muslims.

“This group, we cannot ignore. This is the time for our community to take a stand, along with all those who value America’s commitment to diversity and freedom of religion, against the politics of division and bigotry promoted by the Islamophobes.”

A variety of community, interfaith and religious leaders and Michigan public on their agenda, for a “community conversation about how to respond to these continued attacks,” said Zogby.

One participant who was just on his way to the town hall was Dawud Walid, who heads the Michigan office of the Council on American Islamic Relations, a civil rights advocacy group for Muslims.

“I think firstly we have to better expose who these anti-Muslim bigots are as well as their funders,” said Walid. “We believe that the Islamophobia that permeates our country is being pushed by a well-organized, highly-funded network.”

He says that while Dearborn and Detroit have become a focus for the activities of Geller and others of like mind, the problem is bigger.

“Islamophobia is a national illness,” he said.

  • JT

    “I am actually defending the right of young muslim girls not to be murdered by their relatives or communities for the ‘crime’ of rejecting islam,”

    What a noble objective. Perhaps you could, with the same enthusiasm, condemn those on Jihadwatch and Atlasshrugs who regularly call for the ethnic cleansing of Muslim countries and the killing of Muslims for the “crime” of being Muslim. I mean, since you’re so interested in preserving Muslim life and wish to stop all those who try to kill Muslims, then surely you should start at home before coming here.

  • Senor

    @Ramio – Great comment. I was thinking the same thing.

    @Jan – U seem to be on here talking about the ills of how women are treated badly in Islam. Guess what? That is obviously not just an Islamic problem.

    I have posted before about the topic of aborting female fetuses in India. Guess what, in Canada, Indians are also aborting female fetuses at a high rate. How bad has it gotten?

    “According to a report in CMAJ (Canadian Medical Association Journal), pregnant women should not be told the sex of their unborn child until after 30 weeks of pregnancy, in order to combat female feticide, which some individuals in certain ethnic groups in Canada and the U.S. practice.” http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/240599.php

    Where are the cries against Hindus? Why is it that this topic is pushed off to the side?

    Due to this, there is a shortage of woman in that culture. Could it explain why so many Indians are caught on that TV show, “To Catch a Predator”?

    Obviously Geller is not concerned about that topic. She has never made any mention of that topic. Could it be that it is because it does not make Muslims look bad?

    The Western World is just as bad in their treatment of women. They need to get off their high horse. They are no different. Every year women in those countries are murdered by their husbands or boyfriends. Of course there is no fancy name given to those killings. They just call it domestic violence.

    Another example of this is that, just recently, the IRA was responsible for another bombing attack. In no source that I looked up, was there any mention of the term Roman Catholic Terrorist.

    It is not the fault of Muslims, Jan, that you have been brainwashed by a media which is hostile to the Muslim population. There is no difference when a Muslim, Christian, or Jewish female is killed by a family member. It is a tragedy. It is a tragedy that should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law.

    Look beyond the media coverage and study what woman are fighting for around the globe and you will see that Islam is not the cause of women suffering. It is a lot more complicated than that.

  • Ilisha

    @Jan

    Just because some people call them “Islamic” honor killings doesn’t mean that’s accurate:

    Honor Killing and Even More Proof You REALLY Shouldn’t Trust Robert Spencer’s “Scholarship”
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/02/honor-killing-and-even-more-proof-you-really-shouldnt-trust-robert-spencers-scholarship/

  • Jan

    @ from the wastelands …

    you said:

    ” Shall I start the list of Muslim women who did register and were turned away at the door because they wore headscarf??”

    If you indeed have such a list, then publish it, and *challenge* Mr. Spencer and Ms. Gellar. If you publish it, and can *prove* it, I’ll challenge them myself.

  • Jan

    @ From the Wastelands.

    You said:

    ”…All you are proving, and all the Islamophobes are proving, is that you are severely insecure in your own beliefs or lack thereof that you have to take it out on someone.”

    What have I said that would lead you to that conclusion ? Debate requires something a little more stringent than a mere assumption of what you think my beliefs are. And in fact, I am not taking anything out on anyone, I am actually defending the right of young muslim girls not to be murdered by their relatives or communities for the ‘crime’ of rejecting islam, or the ‘crime’ of becoming too westernised. And as long as people like you continue to deny that these things happen, the more likely it is they will *continue* to happen, because your denial *enables* it. A beautiful young girl was murdered by a monster who thought he was entitled to do as he pleased, because of his *religion*.

    Of *course* not all muslims do these horrific acts – no-one ever said they did, but to claim that these murders have no mandate in islam is nonsensical, when the President of Chechnya is backing *islamic honour killings*. (Washington Times, April 29th)

    And don’t you think it’s time to ditch the adolescent epithet ‘islamophobe’ – it’s so silly. I’m not an ‘islamophobe’, I’m an *islamoloathe*.

  • Jan

    @ Abdul-Rahman.

    Chechen women in mortal fear as president backs Islamic honor killings,” by Diana Markosian for The Washington Times, April 29

  • From the wastelands….

    I just had a great idea!! Let’s do a “Human Rights” conference for Christian women or Jewish women and play it like SIOA did theirs!! That’ll piss’em off!!!

  • From the wastelands….

    Jan – All you are proving, and all the Islamophobes are proving, is that you are severely insecure in your own beliefs or lack thereof that you have to take it out on someone. Shall I start the list of Muslim women who did register and were turned away at the door because they wore headscarf??

  • Jan

    @ NurAlia.

    ”It was a superb evening, thanks in large part to your support. The Islamic supremacist/Leftist smear and hate machine was out in force, holding a rally of their own earlier in the day and then attempting to storm our event and get in despite the fact that they had not registered. We had advertised for weeks that no one would be admitted without registering first. With their usual mendacity they have tried to spin this as our not allowing Muslims into the conference, but if no Muslims really got in, that was solely because no Muslims registered — *if indeed there were indeed no Muslims inside.* (my emphasis) In any case, while these disturbances were roiling outside the door, our crack security detail, made possible by your kind and generous donations in response to our appeal Saturday, ensured that only those who registered got in, and that thuggish Leftist and Islamic supremacist brownshirts were unable to harm the speakers or attendees”

  • Jan

    @ NurAlia

    ”Do you know that if you asked the applicant’s religion, and that person was denied access to the conferance (sic) because he or she is Muslim, it defeats the whole purpose of ‘educating Muslims on this topic’?”

    How do you know if applicants were asked their religious affiliation ? And if they were, how do you know if they were denied access because they were muslim ?

    It certainly would defeat the purpose of educating muslims on this topic – that is, if they need to be educated.

    Muslims and their leftist tools here are trying to argue that Jessica’s stepfather fancied her, and because she refused to play, *that* was the reason he murdered her; nothing to do with ‘honour.’ But the two are not mutually exclusive. After all, good muslim girls are not supposed to question male authority, are they ? Whether in matters of sex, or hijab. He murdered her because she turned him down, didn’t want to wear the hijab, and wanted more freedom. And that touched his ‘honour.’ Why do you totally disregard the testimony of her friend ?

    Oh, and whatever happened to the ‘hate crime’ supposedly perpetrated against Shaima Alawadi ? You lot have dropped that one like a hot potato. Because the burden of evidence leads to her having been ‘honour’ murdered by someone in her family, or community. Like that poor woman in Florida who was supposed to have committed suicide, by *banging her head against a coffee table.*

    It seems to me the *only* people who give a damn about the ‘honour’ *murders* of young muslim girls are what you choose to call the ‘haters’. Because the ‘haters’ stand for freedom of speech, thought and religion, and the equality of all people before the law. Because the ‘haters’ object to jihadist murderers.

  • Abdul-Rahman

    @E L

    If you bothered to look into the case of Jessica Mokdad (that Pamela Geller and her xenophobic ilk are trying to use for their own nefarious ends) you’d realize that Jessica Mokdad was not killed a supposed “honor killing” (“honor killings” themselves again being completely condemned by all Islamic literature and scholars to start with: http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/101972/honor%20killing) Jessica Mokdad was killed by her crazy stepfather because he wanted to have a sexual relationship with her that she rejected (so he is a deranged/crazy killer just like Levi Aron is a deranged killer in the case of Leiby Kletzky). Neither Islam nor Judaism had anything to do with either (or any) murder case.

    As for genocides, the freedom seeking people of the world condemn the Zionist occupiers for the continuous crimes they committed (since 1948 and the start of modern Zionist colonization of Palestine) against the Palestinians (like you know, after the ethnic cleansing of the 1948 in Al-Nakba, the Zionist military using white phosphorus weapons to horribly injure and kill unarmed Palestinian women and children in Gaza in the most horrific manner back in 2009).

    And as for politics, the Zionist movement happened to have been founded by atheists of “Jewish” background (if you read into Theodor Herzl, the founder of Zionism, it is quite interesting that he was a big atheist and that he had many unique ideas. Like before thinking up Zionism, Herzl actually proposed that all Jews in Europe should convert to Christianity and thus they could be “Europeanized” in Herzl’s mind. And also Herzl and other Zionist writers often wrote of the Zionist “state” as being a way to actually replace Judaism and make Judaism a nationality rather than a religion: look up “strong Judaism” vs. “weak Judaism” in Zionist thought). There are definitely Orthodox Rabbis in Israel that would like to implement Talmudic and Old Testament law: http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/07/inside-torat-hamelech-the-jewish-extremist-terror-tract-endorsed-by-state-employed-rabbis/ and http://edition.presstv.ir/detail/158562.html

    So there would definitely be Jewish Halakha law being fully carried out if many Ultra-Orthodox Jewish Rabbis in “Israel” had their way and that would definitely include the death penalty being practiced among other things: just go to the Jewish Tanakh aka the Hebrew Bible and the Jewish Rabbinical sources like the Talmud (including the Mishnah, Gemara, etc). As for Muslim majority nations most today have secular law codes themselves (just like “Israel” does), in fact I would argue the most secular regime in the Middle East today is not “Israel” even (as Orthodox Rabbis and Orthodox religious parties are gaining some strength even though “Israel” is officially secular) but the most secular nation is clearly Baathist run Syria under the government of Bashar al-Assad (Baathism being officially secular, and thought of often as pan-Arabism, Arab Socialism, or pan-Arab nationalism).

    Also to officially carry out any Shari’ah punishment one requires extraordinary evidence in a Shari’ah court (that goes above and beyond most secular courts anywhere in the world) for example to lash (in the case of unmarried people) or stone (if one of the people convicted of committing adultery is already married and thus cheated on their spouse) someone for adultery you need 4 witnesses (who commits adultery in front of 4 witnesses?!) and on this note most Islamic scholars would not view video adequate evidence so pornography wouldn’t count if would need to be 4 witnesses who want to testify and personally say the act of adultery in person. Similar things hold for many Islamic scholars on for example cutting off the hand of thieves, the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt for example while calling for fuller Shari’ah law implementation stated that such things as cutting of the hands of thieves can’t be done until everyone in the society has a livable wage, etc.

    So basically in conclusion, Shari’ah law is very open and fluid actually (the same is true of Jewish Halakha from what I’ve seen of different rabbis), it is acts of Ibadat (worship) that are set in stone but many elements of Shari’ah and community laws are fluid and open to debate and modification based on time and place.

  • VRM

    So, you have proved me right. You like buttering posts.
    My posts had nothing offensive, but still you didn’t accept them.
    That is why you Islam white washers are losing , because like Islam you are also undemocratic.
    LOL.

  • Christian-friend

    @E L, oh yeah, it is so barbaric, a Muslim woman yesterday flipped me the finger and his boyfriend is so abusive he lets her go.out with friends

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    El
    I have no idea what you are talking about .
    NurAli
    What same woman never mind a muslim one would want to go to that meeting once she had seen who was speaking ?

  • E L

    The murderer of Leiby Kletzy is crazy he didn’t kill in the name of Judaism. As for the BS Halakah people aren’t killed because of Jewish law in the 21st century, even Israel is a secular state for crying out loud. Burying your head in the sand does you no favours nor does comparing the cult of Islam to what was written thousands of years ago. Surely Islam can stand on its own merit, surely the barbaric punishments in Sharia are unacceptable in the 21st century. What up folks!
    Its a strawman argument the OT calls for genocide is full of infanticide name a Jewish genocide or capital punishment in Israel. You can’t because unlike mainstream Judaism and Christianity, mainstream Islam hasn’t reformed and isn’t benign. Look how many countries have vile Sharia: limb amputations, beheading, stoning, flogging etc.

  • NurAlia

    @jan

    How, exactly do you know that ‘no Muslim chose to register’ for this conferance? Is it because Pam Geller told you? Is it because you can somehow know the religion of a person from a registration form without asking?

    Do you know that if you asked the applicant’s religion, and that person was denied access to the conferance because he or she is Muslim, it defeats the whole purpose of ‘educating Muslims on this topic’?

  • Jan

    @ Believing Atheist.

    No, it doesn’t. People were told they would be required to register in advance. *No* muslims chose to register.

  • http://ramio1983.wordpress.com/ ramio1983

    How disrespectful of Gellar, honestly to use the unfortunate death of a young girl to give herself and her biased cause credit. Jessicas family clearly don’t want Gellar to be their saviour and they do not need one either, what happened was an internal family tragedy that happens worldwide every single day. It is clear that Pamela Gellar does NOT care about Jessica or any Muslim woman for that matter, all she cares is that she can use them for her smear campaign, who’s doing the stealth work now?

    Salam.

  • RDS

    “They have also invited a young man who says he was Mokdad’s friend to offer “firsthand testimony” that she was a victim of honor killing.”

    ^I’m a bit more curious about that little factoid. Who is this person?

  • Believing Atheist

    I think LW should publish an update to this piece from Think Progress

    http://thinkprogress.org/security/2012/04/30/473327/police-remove-muslim-women-pam-geller-conference/

    It shows the hypocrisy of Geller and Spencer, both of whom state that they want more Muslims to participate in fostering “human rights,” but then don’t let them enter their event.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Emperor I just posted a link to the original article for this story on twitter. They also linked to original story over at Skepchick, so the word is getting out.

  • Abdul-Rahman

    Pamela Geller is such a xenophobic, pathetic idiot. Only a complete xenophobic moron like Pam would claim that the killing of Jessica Mokdad was supposedly an “honor killing” (something which all Muslim scholars condemn by the way: http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/101972/honor%20killing) as the authorities that have investigated the incident clearly say (along with the other members of Jessica Mokdad’s family) Jessica was killed by her deranged stepfather because she rebuffed his sexual advances http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/02/the-jessica-mokdad-story-family-of-deceased-girl-doesnt-want-pamela-geller-pimpin-their-daughters-name-for-islamophobic-agenda/. That is again not a supposed “honor killing” to start with, that is a deranged man murdering a woman who rejected him. Is Pam going to also label every case of a deranged man killing a woman for rejecting him an alleged “honor killing” as well? I’m sure she won’t.

    What the hatemonger Pamela Geller is doing, would be equivalent to me claiming Jewish religious law (Halakha) allegedly allows for a Jewish man to kill and dismember an individual of his choice! I could (if I wanted to use the ridiculous style of the idiot Pamela Geller) point to the killing of the young Jewish child Leiby Kletzy in New York City by the Orthodox Jewish man (and confessed murderer/dismemberer) Levi Aron. http://whatiftheyweremuslim.com/2011/07/14/boy%E2%80%99s-remains-found-in-refrigerator-new-york-man-in-custody/

    Murderer/Dismemberer Levi Aron (who happens to be an Orthodox Jew) http://img.ibtimes.com/www/data/images/full/2011/07/14/131192-murder-suspect-levi-aron-is-escorted-out-of-a-new-york-police-departme.jpg

    I could then say “look at Levi Aron and then look at the Old Testament in Judges 19:29- When he reached home, he took a knife and cut up his concubine, limb by limb, into twelve parts and sent them into all the areas of Israel. (NIV) And then I could say “Ah Ha! You see the Old Testament of the Bible calls for Jews to dismember people!” Of course this is of course not the case and I give this example only to show the ridiculousness and idiocy of Pamela the Zionist pig Geller and her false charges against Muslims. And again of course Islamic law explicitly forbids “honor killings” http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/101972/honor%20killing and this case of the murdered girl Jessica Mokdad was again confirmed by her family and the law enforcement involved to not have been a “honor killing” but rather a deranged man killing a girl he was physically obsessed with.

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  • rookie

    “The honor killing conference, organized by Pamela Geller, who became nationally famous for her vocal opposition to the Ground Zero Mosque, aka Park 51 in Manhattan, is based on the premise that Mokdad, 20 years old when she died in April 2011, was the victim of an honor killing justified by Islam.”

    Whaaaaaaaaaat?!
    Honour killing justified by Islam?!

    What about this:

    Deutronomy 22

    13 If a man takes a wife and, after sleeping with her , dislikes her

    14 and slanders her and gives her a bad name, saying, “I married this woman, but when I approached her, I did not find proof of her virginity,”

    15 then the young woman’s father and mother shall bring to the town elders at the gate proof that she was a virgin.

    16 Her father will say to the elders, “I gave my daughter in marriage to this man, but he dislikes her.

    17 Now he has slandered her and said, ‘I did not find your daughter to be a virgin.’ But here is the proof of my daughter’s virginity.” Then her parents shall display the cloth before the elders of the town,

    18 and the elders shall take the man and punish him.

    19 They shall fine him a hundred shekels[b] of silver and give them to the young woman’s father, because this man has given an Israelite virgin a bad name. She shall continue to be his wife; he must not divorce her as long as he lives.

    20 If, however, the charge is true and no proof of the young woman’s virginity can be found, 21 she shall be brought to the door of her father’s house and there the men of her town shall stone her to death.

    Of course, “the Old Testament is not valid anymore” (or something like that).

    Shame on you Spencer and Geller!!!

    By the way, how does Spencer justify these verses from his Bible?

  • mindy1

    Wonder if any joooos are involved, I hope so ;)

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