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More lunacy from the looniest blogger ever:

Pamela Geller, Guide Dogs, and Genocide

by Sheila Musaji (The American Muslim)

Pamela Geller posted a letter she received from an Atlas Shrugs reader calling himself Scott Sylte.  She introduces this letter saying Remember, there is no golden rule under Islam.

Here is the text of the posted letter

I have a disability which requires that I use a service dog. His name is Ray and he helps to counterbalance, alert and guide me. Under Federal Law, The Americans with Disabilites Act of 1990, a disabled person with their service dog must be allowed public accomodation and admittance. Among such places include Airplanes, Public Transportation, Businesses which serve the gerneral public, restaurants, etc.

One evening two friends, myself and my service dog Ray entered a kabob restaurant in Virginia. Within seconds a man, apparantly who was the owner, made a scene about my service dog and asked me to leave. I was fairly certain he was Pakistani Muslim. There were other people in the restaurant who apparantly were also Muslim because of their coverings. Anyhow, I told him about the ADA, which he knew nothing about, and I told him that I was refusing to leave the restaurant and demanded that we be served the food we ordered. He was obviously very, very unhappy about it, yet he did eventually very reluctantly comply.

If he had insisted that my dog and I leave and refused to serve us in his restaurant, I would have filed a Human Relations Complaint of Discrimination or a ADA complaint with the US Dept. of Justice. If that would ever happens I wonder if this Islamization has gone that far that it would limit me from entering a Muslim owned or opperated establishment which serves the public? It’s sad to see our society begin sliding down the slippery slope of making these kinds of self serving accomodations. The people who are in favor of these kinds of accomodations as being in the friendly spirit of Freedom and Liberty are missing the point that our strong tendancies for “cultural” and “religious” acceptance are really being used to undermine our very freedoms and liberties in a very clandestine manner.

The very essence of the Judeo-Christian belief is based upon “Loving our neighbors,” but all to frequently forgotten is another teaching of our sacred writings is that if we know that someone is going to kill us “We are “obliged” to kill them before they can kill us. In the context of this teaching, “obliged is stronger than being commanded.” We are not commanded to murder someone because of their belief system or because they are different, but if they are going to kill us, self defense is an imperative. I believe as many of our fellow Americans would like to believe, is that the majority of Muslims here in our country are not about Jihad; HOWEVER, a belief system which commands its believers to deceive and lie to non-adherants about their murderous intentions is most certainly one that should be closely examined.

Respectfully submitted, Scott Sylte

This individual is claiming that someone at a kabob restaurant in Virginia that he believed to be a Muslim asked him to leave the restaurant with his guide dog.  After he explained about the ADA, the man reluctantly served him.  He does not say what his disability is, or what kind of a service dog.  Since he is describing the appearance of people in the restaurant, it seems that he is not blind, and perhaps his disability was not readily apparent.  The law does not require service dogs to wear identifying markings, and if this was the case it is possible that the restaurant employee/owner simply thought it was a man and his dog coming in to eat.

He says that if he had not been served he would have filed an official complaint of discrimination.  That is absolutely appropriate, and he would have been well within his rights to do so – if this is an accurate recounting of a genuine incident.  If, however, there was no way for the man who worked in the restaurant to know that he was disabled, and that his dog was a service dog, then that would be a very different story.

However, the last paragraph of Mr. Sylte’s letter makes me doubt everything he claims.  I’ll repeat that paragraph

The very essence of the Judeo-Christian belief is based upon “Loving our neighbors,” but all to frequently forgotten is another teaching of our sacred writings is that if we know that someone is going to kill us “We are “obliged” to kill them before they can kill us. In the context of this teaching, “obliged is stronger than being commanded.” We are not commanded to murder someone because of their belief system or because they are different, but if they are going to kill us, self defense is an imperative. I believe as many of our fellow Americans would like to believe, is that the majority of Muslims here in our country are not about Jihad; HOWEVER, a belief system which commands its believers to deceive and lie to non-adherents [sic] about their murderous intentions is most certainly one that should be closely examined.

I would have highlighted the genocidal take on what is required of Christians out of their love for their Muslim neighbors, but the entire paragraph would need to be highlighted.

He is saying that he would like to believe that most Muslims are not out to kill “us”, but since their religion (in his view) teaches Muslims to lie about their murderous intentions, then the command to kill Muslims before they kill you mandated in Christianity “should be closely examined”.  We should consider that it might be a “Christian mandate” to begin killing Muslims.  He does not give any references to particular verses of Christian “sacred scriptures”, but I am certain that whatever passages he believes would justify such genocide are being misinterpreted by him.

That Pamela Geller thinks such hatred is deserving of a positive mention, and of being published on her site is yet more evidence as to why the SPLC lists not only her Atlas Shrugs site, but her partner Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch site, and their joint organizations AFDI and SIOA as active anti-Muslim groups, and why they are listed in our Who’s Who of the Anti-Muslim/Anti-Arab/Islamophobia Industry.  This is hatred pure and simple.

As to the issue that set off this tirade – Muslims who serve the public refusing service to people with guide dogs – that has happened.  There needs to be a clear statement issued by scholars in the U.S. and Canada clarifying this, and that statement needs to be widely distributed and discussed in mosques.  The problem is that many immigrants confuse cultural and religious beliefs, and some are not aware of the law.

This process has begun, and Muslim scholars are attempting to educate people, but to avoid any such difficulties in the future, this needs to be much more widely discussed.  Here are a few examples of community efforts to educate:

In 2008, the issue of service dogs came up in England and a fatwa
was issued

“The Guide Dogs for the Blind Association described the decision as “a massive step forward for other blind and partially-sighted Muslims”. Previously, all dogs were banned from mosques because the Islamic faith historically sees them as being for guarding and hunting only. However, the position was softened because guide dogs could be classed in the “working dogs” category. The animals are still barred from entering the prayer hall for the sake of hygiene but are allowed to guide their owners to the area where shoes are placed, the fatwa says.

A special rest area has been set up in the entrance of the Bilal Jamia mosque for Vargo while Khatri is praying. Previously, the teenager, who attends the RNIB College in Loughborough, had to be accompanied to the mosque by a sighted helper. “

…  After issuing the fatwa, Muhammad Shahid Raza, director of the Imams and Mosques Council UK and secretary of the Muslim Law (Sharia) Council UK, said: “I hope that all existing mosques will follow Bilal mosque in serving the disabled people in a similar way by providing facilities to them. I also believe that, in all new mosques, such facilities for disabled people will be an essential part of their design.”

You can see a video about this here

In a case in Minnesota, the local CAIR-MN chapter issued a statement

The moral and legal need to accommodate individuals using service dogs far outweighs the discomfort an individual Muslim might feel about coming into contact with a dog, which is one of God’s creatures, said CAIR-MN Communications Director Valerie Shirley.

Muslims believe the saliva of dogs invalidates the ritual ablution performed before prayer. For this reason, it has become a cultural norm for individuals not to have dogs in their houses – not because the dog is unclean.

The Prophet Muhammad allowed the use of dogs for protection and for hunting. He related several traditions (hadith) in which individuals were rewarded by God for protecting animals and punished for mistreating them.

Shirley mentioned that in 2007, a similar misunderstanding took place between Minneapolis cab drivers and passengers with guide dogs. After CAIR-MN facilitated dialogue between the two groups and cleared the misunderstanding, the Muslim taxi drivers offered free rides to attendees of the American Council of the Blind Convention in downtown Minneapolis. Abdinoor Ahmed Dolal, owner of Twin Cities Airport Taxi, said “Islam forbids us to turn away a blind passenger, whether they have a guide dog or not. Their rights come first.”

CAIR-MN says it will continue to work with the Muslim community in Minnesota to educate them about their Islamic and legal duty to accommodate those using service or guide dogs.

In another case in Vancouver, Canada a local Imam issued a clarification

An Iman from the local Az-Zahraa Islamic Centre, Javed Jaffri, researched the dog topic and served as an expert witness for a blind man refused passage by a Muslim taxi driver. Jaffri spent long hours on this, and provided an unbiased interpretation of the Koran that indicated “there is nothing saying that one must refuse service to another person because of the fear of contamination by a dog.”

He also said that “there can be exceptions to blanket refusals to deal with dogs, especially if it means helping someone in need. All that would be required in most circumstances would be for a Muslim person to wash their hands before eating if they have been in contact with a dog. That’s not a terrible task to go through,” he said.

“There is not an animal on earth, nor a bird that flies on its wings, but they are communities like you. Qur’an 6:38.

“The Holy Prophet told of a prostitute who, on a hot summer day, saw a thirsty dog hovering around a well, lolling its tongue. She lowered her socks down the well and watered the dog. God forgave her all her sins (for this one act of kindness)”  Sahih Muslim

SEE ALSO:

A Fatwa on dogs, Khaled Abou El Fadl http://www.scholarofthehouse.org/tloofesfaond.html

All-American Muslim and Wrigley the Dog, Sheila Musaji http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/wrigley-dogs

Animals’ Lawsuit Against Humanity, Ikhwan al-Safa http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/books_the_animals_lawsuit_against_humanity

Animals in Islam, al-Hafiz B.A. Masri, http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/7368/an1.htm

Dogs in the Islamic tradition and in nature, Khaled Abou El Fadl http://www.scholarofthehouse.org/dinistrandna.html

Islam and Experiments on Animals *, al-Hafiz B.Z. Masri http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/islam_and_experiments_on_animals1

Misconceptions About Islam and Dogshttp://misconceptions-about-islam.com/dogs-allowed-muslims.htm

Quotes from Qur’an and Hadith about dogs as service animals http://toledomuslims.com/criterion/Article.asp?ID=288

What’s up with Muslims and dogs?, Dr. Ingrid Mattson http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ingrid-mattson/whats-up-with-muslims-and_b_1144819.html

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  • Skeptic

    Blame on the many muslims cab driver stories in the UK/Europe refusing to take disabled people with service dogs.

  • Isa

    @Snoman. I think so. Fatwas are just legal opinions about what the Shariah “says” on a particular issue. They are not binding in the sense that people are forced to accept them, except in countries where the clergy and the government are intertwined (Iran, Saudi Arabia.) In theory, one scholar says dogs are unclean, and provides texts to support his/her position; and then another scholar says dogs are clean, and then provides texts to support his/her position. It’s up to the individual to study both fatwas, and decide for themselves who is closer to the truth.

  • Shlupers

    wait wait, isn’t it a rule not to have guide dogs in restaurants anyways? *googles* Oh, not really. SA dogs are allowed, just not in the kitchens. A friend of mine leaves his outside and sits close to the door most the time. You’re not going to die if you leave the poodle for an hour. Like it’s been said, half the time it’s cultural. I know some Arabs in S.Arabia who think cats are the filthiest things alive – on the same levels as rats, but the Arabs next door have 3 of them and think dogs are grubby, and then, an Arab family I know in Algonquin has dogs and lets them inside. ^-^

  • Snoman

    @Isa, is that the definition of fatwa with the Muslim scholars? …

  • Reynardine

    Since such dogs are usually in service to the vision-impaired and are harnessed accordingly, and yet he saw what everyone was wearing and the owner changed his attitude as soon as he was *told* it was a service dog (it did not have a guide dog harness) I have to wonder if this man is what he purports to be, or if he was a poseur out to start carp and tell lies.

  • John

    Mona Ramouni, 28, lost her sight shortly after birth, and has had to rely on her family members to guide her around the Detroit suburb where they live.

    Now Mexicali Rose, a 3-year-old former show horse that stands about 2 1/2 feet tall and weighs about 125 pounds, has arrived to help Miss Ramouni.

    Before the horse, nicknamed Cali, arrived, “I had basically given up. I mean, I had been to the point where I thought, ‘I’m going to get nothing out of my life,”‘ Miss Ramouni told the Associated Press. “And having Cali … showed me that I had forgotten about all the optimism I had as a kid. When I was a kid, I thought I could do anything. I thought everything was possible.”

    The horse, who has been trained to get in and out of vehicles, guide through crowds and stand still indoors, is expected to take up residence in a newly erected shed on the family’s lawn within the next two months

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    wonder how Pam Geller would spin this story….

    and yes if he hates muslim why did he go to a muslim Kebab restaurant

    also the call to genocide muslims over small stupid things like this is getting louder as every day passes . Everyone should look into ways defend them self

  • From the wastelands….

    I actually work with a girl who is coming to Islam and requires a service dog. Yes, it can be an issue, but, we persevere. Some Muslims fear dogs, others could care less. And we have been turned away from non-Muslim establishments before due to having the guide dog. “We reserve the right to refuse service to anyone.”

  • Ali

    I am pretty confident that the self-proclaimed disabled guy intentionally went to this alleged Muslim owned restaurant to create a situation, else why would somebody who harbor so much hate against Muslims will go there anyway? Would not he be afraid that he would serve him bombs instead of kabobs ;-)? This guy was not successful in getting the outcome he expected instead he got a warm and courteous response from the owner who after finding out about the disability act happily served him some delicious kabob without poisoning them.

  • Young & Free

    Hmm! Disabled people calling for genocide? Don’t these people remember what the Nazis did to the disabled?

    Seriously though, as I was reading the letter, I was sympathising with the guy, but the moment I read the “Judeo-Christian” bit, I just went BLAH.

  • Michael Elwood

    “She introduces this letter saying Remember, there is no golden rule under Islam.”

    She’s partially correct. Some Muslim ethicist have questioned the utility of the Golden Rule. One of them, Edip Yuksel, wrote:

    “Moral rules involving retaliation can be classified under several titles:

    • The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
    • The Silver Rule: Do not do unto others what you would not have them do unto you.
    • The Golden-plated Brazen Rule: Do unto others as they do unto you; and occasionally forgive them.
    • The Brazen Rule: Do unto others as they do unto you.
    • The Iron Rule: Do unto others as you like, before they do it unto you.

    “Empirical studies on groups have shown that the golden-plated brazen rule is the most efficient in reducing negative behaviors in a community abiding by the rule, since the rule has both deterrence and guiding components. Game theorists call this rule “Generous Tit-For-Tat” (GTFT), a rule that leads one party to cooperate as long as the other party does too. If the other party cheats or hurts the party adopting GTFT, then the GTFT-adopting party stops cooperation and retaliates, while demonstrating willingness to forgive the wrongdoing and start a new stage of cooperation. This positive tilt successfully leads the other party to seek cooperation of the GTF party and ultimately adopt the same rule of engagement. The Golden rule, on the other hand, does not correspond to the reality of human nature; it rewards those who wish to take advantage of the other party’s niceness. Therefore, though the golden rule is the most popular rule on the lips of people, it is the least used rule in world affairs. It might have some merits in small groups with intimate relations, but we do not have evidence for that. The Quran is a book of reality, and its instructions involving social issues consider the side effects of freedom. Thus, the Quran recommends us to employ the golden-plated brazen rule. “If the enemy inclines toward peace, do you also incline toward peace” (8:61; 4:90; 41:34). Other verses encouraging forgiveness and patience in the practice of retaliation (2:178; 16:126, etc.), make the Quranic rule a “Golden-plated Brazen Rule,” the most efficient rule in promoting goodness and discouraging crimes.”

    The truth of Yuksel’s observation is evidenced by Scott Sylte (who gives lip service to the Golden Rule, but actually adheres to Iron Rule, as evidenced by his statement “. . . . another teaching of our sacred writings is that if we know that someone is going to kill us “We are “obliged” to kill them before they can kill us”).

    Scott Sylte also says:

    “I believe as many of our fellow Americans would like to believe, is that the majority of Muslims here in our country are not about Jihad; HOWEVER, a belief system which commands its believers to deceive and lie to non-adherants about their murderous intentions is most certainly one that should be closely examined”

    Had Scott Sylte read the Quran, he would know that Muslims have no “murderous intentions”. The Quran says:

    2:190 Fight in the cause of God against those who fight you, but do not transgress, God does not like the aggressors

    4:94 O you who believe, if you strike in the cause of GOD, you shall be absolutely sure. Do not say to one who offers you peace, “You are not a believer,” seeking the spoils of this world. For GOD possesses infinite spoils. Remember that you used to be like them, and GOD blessed you. Therefore, you shall be absolutely sure (before you strike). GOD is fully Cognizant of everything you do.

    6:151 Say, “Come let me tell you what your Lord has really prohibited for you: You shall not set up idols besides Him. You shall honor your parents. You shall not kill your children from fear of poverty – we provide for you and for them. You shall not commit gross sins, obvious or hidden. You shall not kill – GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. These are His commandments to you, that you may understand.”

    17:33 You shall not kill any person – for GOD has made life sacred – except in the course of justice. If one is killed unjustly, then we give his heir authority to enforce justice. Thus, he shall not exceed the limits in avenging the murder; he will be helped.

    Had Scott Sylte read the Quran, he would also know that Muslims shouldn’t consider dogs unclean:

    http://www.masjidtucson.org/publications/books/sp/2001/dec/page4.html

    @Daniel

    “That last paragraph is a doozy, to be sure! I think that the “kill those who intend to kill you first” is from the Talmud, though grossly out of context. (For example, most would defend the right of someone to kill someone who is running up to you with a knife.)”

    You’re right, it is from the Talmud. Rabbi Joseph Telushkin writes in his book “Jewish Literacy”:

    “Two of the Ten Commandments are commonly mistranslated in English, leading people to ascribe views to the Bible that are actually alien to it. This is particularly true of the Sixth Commandment, which in Hebrew consists of only two words: Lo tirtzakh. Most English translations render it as “You shall not kill.” Pacifists and opponents of capital punishment commonly cite this verse in support of their position. The only problem is that the Bible rejects pacifism, and prescribes capital punishment, especially for murder. The correct translation of Lo tirtzakh is “You shall not murder.” Although the Bible abhors unnecessary bloodshed, it does, like every society before and since, distinguish killing from murder–which is nonpermitted killing. That’s why we don’t speak of “murdering in self-defense,” but “killing in self-defense,” an act that the Bible–though not Mahatma Ghandi or Jehovah’s Witnesses–heartily endorses. As the Rabbis of the Talmud later put it: “If somebody comes to kill you, kill him first” (Sanhedrin 72a).”

    http://books.google.com/books?id=bIHtJzYCkqEC&lpg=PP1&dq=jewish%20literacy&pg=PA41#v=onepage&q=jewish%20literacy&f=false

    [[Note: I have the hardback version of this book in my personal library, but the page number is different from the Google version. This quote is on page 56 on my hardback version, but page 42 on the Google version]

  • Isa

    @Snoman. Sometimes he does, but his definition of a fatwa is a “non-binding legal opinion”, so he’s not saying, “this is the Law of God, accept it or you’re wrong”, etc.

  • Reynardine

    I understand, furthermore, that dogs of the saluki/sloughi kinds are considered more acceptable, and wonder if at least some might be suitable for service dog training. Meanwhile, since the laws of most jurisdictions forbid non-service animals from entering restaurants and supermarkets, I wonder if Ms. Geller might be excluded therefrom as an unserviceable bitch.

  • crow

    I thought This story had been around before in maybe with slightly different details, about some guy and his service dog being refused service in a Muslim restaurant or cab, I could be mistaken but I do know this there’s no bigger piece of white trash than Pam geller, except maybe Robert spencer

  • Daniel

    What is ironic about this story is how the right often rails against “bending over backwards” to accommodate different groups–including the disabled. But if the target is Muslims, then they’ll be righteously indignant about accommodating the disabled (and just as righteously indignant about making ANY accommodations for Muslims, no matter how inconsequential.)

    That last paragraph is a doozy, to be sure! I think that the “kill those who intend to kill you first” is from the Talmud, though grossly out of context. (For example, most would defend the right of someone to kill someone who is running up to you with a knife.)

  • Al

    I read this over @ TAM…Was wondering what you all would do with it. On a side note, Geller just looks horrible, like those melty-faced Nazis in the Raiders of The Lost Ark. Her shrieking rhetoric is similar to teh Nazis as well when they were in the final throes of their lives. Perhaps Pamela’s shrieking and melty-face will ultimately lead to her turning into a pile of dust, blowing away in the wind.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @corey

    I saw that. Geller probably thinks she’s being funny, but all she’s doing is showing people what an idiot she is.

  • Snoman

    Khaled Abu al-Fadhl issues fatwas? :-/ …

  • corey

    @big-t
    pam geller a hagraven that does explain her affinity towards anything depraved and evil such as ratko mladic, corpse desecration, and the nuking of entire cities because muslims go to them, and I honeslty think this is lw worhty http://littlegreenfootballs.com/page/273368_EPIC_FAIL-_Pamela_Geller_Donat geller

  • mindy1

    I am glad they are working on clearing this up-no religion says to turn away those in need :D

  • TheBig-T

    the picture of Geller reminds me of these Hideous things from Skyrim, if not more Hideous

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