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The Nuclear Card

Why Do They Hate Us? They Don’t.

Posted on 26 April 2012 by Danios

Mona Eltahawy, an Arab-American journalist, created a firestorm when Foreign Policy Magazine published her article “Why Do They Hate Us?”.  If you thought the they and us refers to Muslims and Americans, you’d be wrong.  In fact, they is Arab men, and us is women.  Her article is a stabbing critique of Arab culture, which she finds to be heavily misogynistic.

If that wasn’t provocative enough, she goes further: according to her, these Arab men hate women.  ”Yes: They hate us. It must be said.”  To prove her argument, she issues a challenge: “Name me an Arab country, and I’ll recite a litany of abuses [against women] fueled by a toxic mix of culture and religion.”  The rest of the article is a recitation of that litany, interspersed with jazzy catchphrases such as “[w]e are more than our headscarves and our hymens” and “poke the hatred in its eye.”

There is no way to deny the basic premise that the status of women’s rights in the Arab world is abysmal.  Why then did Mona Eltahawy evoke such a hostile reaction from even the Arab women whose rights she seeks to protect?  The easy answer, one that Eltahawy and her supporters might argue, is that these women are simply brainwashed.  Too much “Islamism” in their little brains.  The problem with this argument is that it’s sexist.  It’s basically saying Arab women are too stupid to think for themselves.

The real reason that Arab women recoil after reading Eltahawy’s article is that, while she tries to connect to them based on their gender, she attacks other aspects of their core identity: their race, nationality, religion, and culture.  In fact, her racist (and somewhat babbling) screed is nothing short of a vicious attack on their entire civilization.

Eltahawy cites “a toxic mix of culture and religion” as the source of the abuses against women.  Oddly, she later says, “You — the outside world — will be told that it’s our ‘culture’ and ‘religion’ to do X, Y, or Z to women.”  Yet, it is Mona Eltahawy herself who is arguing precisely that.

By attacking their core identity, Eltahawy has succeeded in alienating her own audience.  Imagine, for instance, an American feminist arguing for greater rights for African women, while at the same time assailing the black race, African culture, and traditional tribal religion.  How receptive or thankful do you think these African women would be?  How pleased would the black or African community be if someone was writing articles about how backwards their culture is?

Mona Eltahawy’s article engages in trite, racial stereotypes.  Legitimate problems in the Arab world are sensationalized.  They hate women.  What an absurd exaggeration!  They have mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters–and it is reasonable to assume that, like other human beings on earth, they love them.

A man can love his wife and still abuse her.  He can have undying affection for his daughter but still wrong her in horrible ways.  But, by going so far as to say they hate women, Eltahawy has dehumanized them.  One recalls similar invective against Palestinian parents: they don’t love their children.  The message being sent is: they are worse than animals.

Women’s rights is an area of concern in many parts of the developing world, not just the Arab world.  Why single out Arabs?  Women face major obstacles in India.  Should we demonize the Hindu religion and the great Indian civilization?

Eltahawy lists off “a litany of abuses”, bringing up extreme cases to make her point.  By citing isolated cases and stacking them all up together, she ends up portraying an imbalanced and biased picture of the Arab world.

Racists don’t see nuance.  They lump all people of a certain group altogether.  That’s exactly what Mona Eltahawy does in her article.  She paints the entire people of that region–or at least its men–with one broad bush.  They hate women.  All 170 million of them.

In fact, not all Arabs are alike.  During my travels in the Muslim world, I saw all sorts of people, with a broad diversity of views.  I met conservative Muslims, liberal Muslims, atheists, Christians, Communists, hippies, you name it.  No sweeping generalization could be made about them (aside for, perhaps, their disgust of American foreign policy).

It is true that I was deeply disturbed by the mistreatment of women, religious and ethnic minorities, poor people, servants, and animals.  But, I also met people there–men, no less–who were also deeply disturbed by these things and would have no part in it.

Just as the viral Kony 2012 video drew criticism for reinforcing the idea of White Man’s Burden, so too does Mona Eltahawy’s article tap into historically racist Orientalist attitudes towards the Arab world.

By firmly pegging abuses against women to the Arab culture and Muslim religion, Mona Eltahawy’s article was nothing short of bigotry.  Indeed, one could hardly tell the difference between Eltahawy’s article and what could normally be found sprawled on numerous Islamophobic websites, such as Robert Spencer’s JihadWatch and Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs.  It is almost a surety that her article will be approvingly cited on such sites, which pit “our civilized, freedom-loving civilization” against “those barbaric, women-hating peoples.”

Had Mona Eltahawy been just any ole’ Islamophobe hacking away at the keyboard–had she been a Robert Spencer or a Pamela Geller–her article would hardly have made headlines.  It would have been just one of thousands and thousands of such hateful rants on the internet by anti-Muslim trolls.  But, like Irshad Manji and Asra Nomani, Mona Eltahawy has an official “I’m a Muslim” card.  That’s even better than the official “I’m an ex-Muslim” card that bigots like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Nonie Darwish proudly carry.  It’s probably even a step above the “I’m a former jihadi terrorist” gold card.  Eltahawy holds the platinum card and gets extra points for being a woman.

As other pundits have noted, Mona Eltahawy is–along with Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Tarek Fatah, Zuhdi Jasser, etc.–acting in the role of the “native informant.”  Monica L. Marks writes on the Huffington Post:

Why Do They Hate Us?” asks the latest cover of Foreign Policy magazine. Beneath the title stands a cowering woman wearing nothing but black body paint resembling the niqab, or full Islamic face veil.

Egyptian feminist Mona Eltahawy authored the article. Her central contention — that Arab Muslim culture “hates” women — resurrects a raft of powerful stereotypes regarding Islam and misogyny. It also situates Ms. Eltahawy’s work within a growing trend of “native informants” whose personal testimonies of oppression under Islam have generated significant support for military aggression against Muslim-majority countries in recent years.

Books by these “native voices” — including Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s “Infidel,” Azar Nafisi’s “Reading Lolita” in Tehran, and Irshad Mandji’s “Faith Without Fear” — have flown off the shelves in post-9/11 America despite being roundly rebuffed by leading feminist academics such as Columbia University’s Lila Abu-Lughod and Yale’s Leila Ahmed. Saba Mahmood, another respected scholar, noted that native informants helped “manufacture consent” for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by serving up fear-inducing portrayals of Islam in “an authentic Muslim woman’s voice.”

Although such depictions have proven largely inaccurate and guilty of extreme generalizations, they have become immensely popular. Why? Because these native “testimonials” tell us what we in the West already know — that there’s something inherently misogynistic about Muslims and Arabs.

By stirring up our sympathies and reinforcing our prejudices, individuals like Ms. Hirsi Ali and Ms. Eltahawy have climbed to the top of the media ladder. Their voices are drowning out the messages of more nuanced, well-respected scholars.

Marks goes on to say:

Her fault lies in extrapolating broad cultural judgments from context-specific abuses, implying that Islam and Arab culture writ large are have toxically combined to create a hopelessly backward region that “treats half of humanity like animals.”

These native informants just tell us what we want to hear.  Their job is to increase hatred of Arabs and Muslims, something that is needed in order to sustain our multiple wars of aggression in that part of the world.

Native informants do not help fix the problems they point to.  Why, for example, did Mona Eltahawy choose to publish her article in Foreign Policy, an American magazine?  Why didn’t she write it for an Arab/Arabic publication, with a primarily Arab readership?

Instead she chose Foreign Policy Magazine, which was founded by none other than Samuel P. Huntington.  His famous Clash of Civilizations theory pit the Judeo-Christian West against the Muslim world.  How very fitting that Mona Eltahawy’s us vs. them article was published in the magazine he founded.

Eltahawy’s audience is clear:

You — the outside world — will be told that it’s our ‘culture’ and ‘religion’ to do X, Y, or Z to women.

Monica Marks writes:

 It is important for her readers, however, to understand the dangers of sensationalist coverage that over-simplify complex matters of gender, politics, and religious observance in Muslim-majority countries.

History is rife with examples of seemingly women-friendly arguments hijacked in the service of imperialistic and aggressive ends. While emotional and sensationalist portrayals such as this most recent Foreign Policy cover will sell copies, they do little to deepen our understanding of the contexts and conditions shaping women’s oppression in Arab countries today.

Indeed, the issue of human rights was routinely used by the colonial powers to justify the conquest and expropriation of land.  The Americas, including the land that is now the United States, was brutally conquered and stolen by Europeans on this very basis.  The indigenous peoples were portrayed as savages needing civilizing.  The white man would bring them “democracy”, “freedom”, and “civilization” (Operation Iraqi Freedom?).

In her article, Mona Eltahawi enumerates numerous abuses Arab women face.  However, none of these inhumanities–not even female genital mutilation–can be considered as problematic as the cannibalism and human sacrifice that the indigenous peoples of the Americas sometimes engaged in.  And yet, whatever failings the indigenous peoples had in their culture and civilization, it is now widely understood who the real savage was.

We can continue to pat ourselves on the back for how civilized we are, how free our women are, how we are so much better than them.  But, none of that will change the fact that we are the ones waging wars of aggression and occupation in the Muslim world.  We are the ones killing hundreds of thousands of their innocent men, women, and children.

It was in another article, also published in Foreign Policy with almost the exact same title–Why They Hate Us?–that Prof. Stephen Walt calculated the number of Muslim lives the U.S. has extinguished:  “a reasonable upper bound for Muslim fatalities…is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.”  To use a jazzy catchphrase of my own: mutilating a baby girl’s genitals is horrible, but dropping a bomb on her head is much worse.

Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.

  • InPeace

    I don’t think the comparison is valid. Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, etc. all speak to the American and Jewish/pro-Israeli community. They speak to the community they are trying to reform, on behalf of the maligned, powerless minority. These voices tell them something they don’t want to hear. This is is something courageous and noble.

    Oh please. They write on wing nut websites to fellow wing nuts. You’re grasping at straws in your desperate attempts to rationalize your absurd comment about Mona Eltahawy writing about Arabs and not Hindu Indians.

  • InPeace

    The intellectual giants Chomsky and Finkelstein criticize Israel and Jewish society using well though out balanced intellectual arguments.

    Does claiming Israel will nuke Lebanon sound like a well thought out and balanced intellectual argument?

    And Danios’ original comment wasn’t that her argument wasn’t “intellectual” enough but why Mona Eltahawy, an Egyptian Arab, wasn’t writing a piece about Hindu Indians.

    Yeah, I’m sure Danios asks that question when Western Jews criticize Israel – why aren’t they writing articles condemning the Chinese!?

  • Black Infidel

    Don’t know what to think of this article, but Mona Eltahawy is attractive.

  • Palestinian

    To all these detractors here I don’t think any of you is an Arab. Maybe I’m wrong, but I happen to think this is a very good article by Danios.

    Duno if there’s any Arab commenters here period, but just in case there isn’t, here I am, an Arab, and a woman. My husband is Arab, and he loves me with all his heart and soul. He never has laid a violent hand on me, and usually puts me first(except when Real Madrid is playing, then I’m chopped liver), and he even COOKS for me. In contrast, my next-door neighbor’s boyfriend treats her and her kids like garbage, despite the fact they’re his kids too, he does nothing for them, he even steals his baby’s formula and food to sell for money he then uses to buy alcohol and drugs. He’s abused her AND the kids, and he stays gone most of the time. He even steals from his own parents and siblings. Guess what, he’s not Arab. He’s a white, American, and self-proclaimed Christian. He once tried to convert me and told me I was going to hell. I laughed.

    Point is, dude ain’t Arab, and of all my neighbors, I’m the only Arab, and I get treated better by my ARAB husband than they do by their spouses. It even makes my neighbors jealous.

    ________________________________________________________________
    Believing Atheist said:

    “I fail to see how being a liberal Zionist is like being a liberal supporter of Maududi. Zionism is a legal right given to the Jews through international law to assert their self-determinism in the land of their ancestors. This right was given to them before WW2 or the Holocaust.”
    _________________________________________________________________

    If you were seeking to rub a bunch of Palestinians the wrong way, congrats. You did it.

    Palestine is the land of MY ancestors. Palestine is the land of MY HUSBAND’S ancestors. I fail to see how someone whose ancestors were born in various regions of Europe and America can have their ancestors in a region NOWHERE NEAR either continent. It makes zero sense. You’re spouting BS. Kinda sad for an atheist, as we’re supposed to be the rational thinkers and stuff in this world. Next I suppose you’ll tell me my roots are from Jordan or Egypt.

    Just for future reference don’t go there.

  • http://aayjay.wordpress.com AJ

    There is another thing that fascinates me about the ex-Muslim types women- turned-informants i.e. Eltahawy, Nomani, Manji – they are single females and are not much into having families – husbands and children. Maybe it is tied to their Islamophobia – maybe not.

  • http://aayjay.wordpress.com AJ

    BA,

    You are not getting the point. It’s not the issue whether what Mona wrote (the cherry picked incidents from various different Arab cultures – a mutilation from Yemen, a fire incident from Saudi Arabia, a rape from Egypt, etc, etc.). It is how she put it all together and then made it a representative article about Muslims. That is what Spencer does and that is what a lot of Islamophobes do. I mean I can try with Atheists, your group. I could scout the crimes sections of a variety of newspapers from a few different countries where criminals from atheist background have committed various heinous crimes and based upon the statistics that exist about the inmates in US jails, atheists is the single largest group that constitutes the inmates – that makes my work relatively easy. I could then take a dash of this and dash of that and then come up with my fantastic headline – Why the World Hates Atheists? Would you like that approach?

  • truth

    There is no any place where women maltreatment is not happening.But she does need to generalize it.
    Here is a link. Pls it contains some graphic http://m.247naijagossip.com/2012/04/see-what-man-did-to-his-wifegraphical.html/

    The Man who did this to his wife is not a muslim and @ the sametime not an Arab man

  • Solid Snake

    @BA

    Thank you for you kind comments and while we may disagree on some things I believe you are a good, honest, and rational person also.

    While it may seem that I am attacking the messenger it is not so. AT least in my case, whenever I visit my home country I see the violations, I hear the stories, firsthand accounts. I try to bring a change wherever I have influence. I wouldn’t mind a messenger to remind us Muslims and Arabs what is going on, but no her. Why? Because of the fact that she is not genuine. And now that she has made her way to the spotlight we will see more of her faux concern for women in the Middle East.

    Again the problems are real, very real. Her concern? Not so much. Again the fame and attention she will garner from the Right Wing Islamophobia Network will expose more of her hypocrisy.

    And I agree with Danios’ post also regarding Chomsky and Finkelstein.

  • Danios

    @ Believing Atheist:

    I don’t think the comparison is valid. Noam Chomsky, Norman Finkelstein, Glenn Greenwald, etc. all speak to the American and Jewish/pro-Israeli community. They speak to the community they are trying to reform, on behalf of the maligned, powerless minority. These voices tell them something they don’t want to hear. This is is something courageous and noble.

    The native informer, on the other hand, is a hired gun, who speaks not to the community they are seeking to reform but instead just telling the majority group exactly what they want to hear.

  • corey

    quite an interesting thing about religion http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNtnN_DiP3o&feature=plcp as for kirk or picard not a star trek fan so I dont care either way thouhg I am surprised he didnt he didnt say anything about joel or mike from mst3k.

  • Believing Atheist

    @Solid Snake,

    Thanks for your response. I agree with 90% of everything you said. The 10% I have a problem with is that I feel like you’re attacking the messenger. So for instance, if a rapist or a murderer were to tell you that the sun rises in the east and sets in the west, just because a rapist or a murderer told you this does not change the fact. Yes the rapist or the murderer is a reprehensible human being and yes Mona is an orientalist and you can say morally-reprehensible as well. But does that change the facts? No.
    And I see that you will agree with me up to a point on this statement saying: “The womens rights violations occurring in Arab culture and across the Middle East are real. Her bringing that fact up is not the problem.”

    And yes attack Mona for her article if you feel like to dehumanizes Arab men (I do too, I disagree heavily with some of the subtext in this article, one can even say that it is fighting sexism through reverse sexism).

    But also remember something else, something that an Egyptian woman named Hafsa Halawa tweeted about regarding this article:

    @Hhafoos: Whilst I disagree w her tone & I certainly don’t agree w pictures used, there are facts in Mona Eltahawy’s article we can’t ignore anymore
    http://www.care2.com/causes/do-arab-men-hate-women-mona-eltahawy-faces-firestorm.html

    Solid I like you. You’re an honest, rational and good person from what I know via your comments. Throw Mona Eltahawy in the dust bin of history, I have no problem with that. But it is time all Arab males do their best to confront the misogyny and degradation of women in that region and in the wider mindset.

    And this is not limited to Arab males. I as an American will have to confront the domestic abuse prevalent in my society.

    But we all need to do our part to see that women who are our mothers, our sisters, our wives and perhaps most importantly our daughters have a better life than their predecessors.

    @Saladin,

    I think bigoted goes too far to describe this piece. It is engaged in hasty generalizations. I say this because the piece is also peppered with facts as NPR noted:

    Eltahawy throws out a lot of stunning facts — 90 percent of ever-married women in Egypt have had their genitals cut, for example — and doesn’t pull punches: She’s equally critical of the Gadhafi regime in Libya and the Muslim Brotherhood, the political party that encouraged the revolution in Egypt but holds the view that a woman can’t be president.
    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/04/24/151239696/mona-eltahawy-explains-why-women-are-hated-in-the-middle-east

  • Solid Snake

    @Zak Ali Sher

    Yes I am Yemeni :)

  • Solid Snake

    @BA

    No one is disputing that many violations pertaining to womens rights, human rights, etc etc occur in the Middle East.

    Perhaps you missed when I said:

    The intellectual giants Chomsky and Finkelstein criticize Israel and Jewish society using well though out balanced intellectual arguments. When Chomsky and Finklestein begin using Neo-nazi inspired arguments and Neo-nazi inspired stereotypes to ‘criticize’ Israel then you can make such a comparison. Even then it is a stretch.

    It would be like Chomsky and Finkelstein attempting to explain Israels economic problems with a thesis saying “Israels Economic problems: Jews are greedy!” Or “Israeli-Palestinian conflict: Jews want to take over the world”

    Can you see the similarities between those statements and her statement “Womens Rights Problems In The Middle East: Arab men hate women”.

    The ‘Arabs hate women’ argument is the product of an industry working hard to demonize Arabs. For that reason alone I must disregard her essay and thesis as nothing more than and opportunistic lunge for the spotlight.

    She not only bolsters the Islamophobes position, she also alienates genuine champions of Womens rights who are Arab and Muslim. And the most damaging effect of her racist screed is the fact that she has probably managed to push more ‘on the fence’ people into the Islamophobes camp. I mean what more evidence/reasons do you need when you have an actual Middle Eastern Muslim Woman ‘PROVING” (I use that term lightly) that Arab men are all scum and hate women.

    I do not want an opportunist like her to stand for womens rights. She is not genuine, her thesis is damaging to the majority of Arabs.

    Perhaps you do not understand because you are not an Arab male who actually cares for women, like I and my many friends who are Arab Muslims. What I mean by that is you do not understand the effect that such a racist and intellectually lightweight thesis has on actual defenders of womens rights who also are Arab males. I do not mean it in demeaning way whatsoever when I say you do not understand. Its just a matter of perspective.

    The womens rights violations occurring in Arab culture and across the Middle East are real. Her bringing that fact up is not the problem. The problem is her main idea, the foundation of her paper, the disgusting stereotyping of Arab men.

    The womens rights issues are merely vehicles for her main attack on Arab males, Arab culture and Islam as a whole.

    The issue of womens rights in Arab culture and the underlying factors that cause abuse of women will fill up countless volumes of books. Yet here is this random person (I have never heard of her until now) condensing/discarding/simplifying the causes behind the very real plight that many of My Muslim and Arab sisters face into a disgusting and racist thesis designed to propel her to the spotlight.

  • Saladin

    @Believing Atheist

    Danios criticism is not that she criticizing her own community but that the way she is criticizing her community is with stereotypes and mass generalizations she would not use not use such a bigoted methodology when talking about another community so why use such a bigoted method on her own community

  • rookie

    reel bad arabs:

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    I wasn’t aware that I hated women. Apparently Mona Eltahawy is capable of reading some sort of suppressed Freudian mumbo jumbo that I didn’t even know I suffered from. I mean, yes, I LIKE women. I find myself attracted to women. I want to have sex with women. In fact, I have, and likely will again in the future. But I’m pretty sure that 99% of humanity LIKES sex, whether with partners of the opposite (or same, or even BOTH) sexes. Seems to be a driving force throughout history in fact, and one which women reciprocate. I’m not exactly sure that makes one a chauvinist, but then, I get the sneaking suspicion that in Eltahawy’s world, merely having testosterone would be grounds for being labelled a ‘chauvinist.’

    Anyway, I’m not entirely certain whether Eltahawy has actually jumped on the Islamophobic bandwagon or not. She is correct. There are some serious problems facing women in the Middle East and North Africa today. These problems are neither limited to Arabs nor specific to Islam. Jews, Christians, Zoroastrians, Bahais… they all live under very similar problems, and similar problems can be seen in much of the rest of Asia and Africa as well. I wonder if Eltahawy would go the extra yard and claim that black and African culture is responsible for the plight of women in Africa? Rape being used as a weapon in Guinea and Congo, men having sex with young girls in the futile belief it will cure AIDS, rampant prostitution, turning a blind eye to adultery, and even surgical reattachment of hymens? Pretty damn horrific if you ask me…

    I think what worries me is, as Danios said, its not so much concerned with the plight of women in the Arab world as it is with feeding gullible westerners exactly what they want to hear. This is the exact same propaganda that was used to justify continued warfare in Iraq and Afghanistan, and only a century early, to justify colonialism, missionary activity, and sometimes outright genocide. Moreover, it makes the (perhaps intentional) mistake of equating crimes with accepted cultural norms. You can dig up stories from any corner of the world about rape, murder and abuse of women. However, you also have to look at whether they are actually treated as crimes, or if they are accepted, nay even applauded. Yes, there are incidents in the Middle East where men get off for their abuse of women. There are just as many where they ARE punished.

    Let’s face it. The West is far from superior when it comes to women’s rights. For all the talk of equality, how many women do you see in office in the West? The idea of a female President of the US was nigh unthinkable until fairly recently, and I suspect that there’s a sizable minority that still wouldn’t vote for a woman. Yet women HAVE been head of state in Pakistan, India, Bangladesh, Indonesia, Turkey, Mali, China, Israel, Thailand, Liberia, the Philippines, Bulgaria, Sri Lanka, Ukraine and elsewhere! In West Africa and Southeast Asia women don’t stay at home. They are out in the markets and farms working every day. Yes, there are often substantial wage gaps, but this is true in the West too. If it wasn’t, we wouldn’t have terms like ‘glass ceiling,’ now would we?

    Moreover, I can think of quite horrific crimes against women in very recent history. Remember Scott Peterson? The manure salesman who murdered his pregnant wife and unborn child so he could be with his mistress? Or what about the numerous ‘missing wives’ right here in the Chicago suburbs? Craig Stebic and Drew Peterson both have ‘missing’ wives and very, very fishy stories, and then there was that Christopher Vaughn who pulled over on the road and shot his wife and kids. Maybe people should read up on Hans Reiser. Not only did he refuse to pay child support to his mail order bride, whom he eventually murdered, but after being convicted of first degree murder, he bargained it down to second degree in exchange for revealing the location of her body.

    That sense of entitlement, of power, is fascinating. And in most of those cases, the killers WERE eventually caught and brought to justice. But not always. Just as in the Arab world, I can think of some individuals whose power, wealth, fame or the like prevented them from from being prosecuted. Perhaps the most egregious of these is Joran van der Sloot. He’s killed at least two women that we know of, with no particular feelings of remorse. The astonishing thing is the degree to which the Dutch government protected him. He even achieved a small amount of celebrity. Only after he murdered Stephany Tatiana Flores Ramírez down in Peru did his luck finally run out. But the fascinating thing is, his entire reason for murdering Ramírez was because she looked at his computer. Kind of makes you wonder what was on his computer, no?

    I DO agree with Muslim Heritage here, at least to a degree, in that Westernization has inevitably resulted in lower status for women and more reactionary fundamentalism. Traditional cultures around the world have always had their problems, but they also have tended to have very well defined social roles. Men AND women BOTH had to work for survival. The Islamic world, much like China, India and the Christian East, developed an extensive literary and intellectual tradition addressing pretty much any view or opinion you would care to imagine. The fact is, over the last few centuries many of these forms of cultural expression HAVE been marginalized and devalued, and it has created a sort of cultural psychosis, not only in the Muslim world, but throughout the so-called ‘Global South.’

    I’m not saying that Western culture is inherently bad, but people tend to forget that Western culture has its own issues. Ever heard of the concept of the ‘Original Sin’? Throughout much of it’s history, Western culture was informed by the Christian notion that man was meant to suffer, and blame for that suffering fell squarely on Eve’s feminine shoulders. As a consequence, the fairer sex occupied lower status. A woman’s life actually WAS worth less in court. Women were excluded from the public sphere in many places, not the least of which being an institutionalized exclusion of religion (barring of course mythical accounts of ‘Pope Joan’ and the ‘High Priestess’ in Tarot decks…). This was a dramatic change from the relatively privileged position that women once occupied in tribal Germanic culture. Norse women kept their maiden names, owned property, and could easily divorce their husbands and remarry with little to no stigma. The weregild of a woman of child-bearing age was actually higher than that of a man!

    I suspect that the relatively high position of women in Germanic culture is part of the reason that England (and consequently, former colonies such as the US, Canada, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand) wound up having more progressive attitudes towards women as compared to the continent. No doubt having two queens – Elizabeth I and Victoria – who presided over golden ages helped as well. Even so, one can see profound dissatisfaction with the social order which propelled the Suffragette movement to prominence. One oft overlooked element of this was the perceived ‘high status of Burmese women’ in Britain. British feminists viewed the traditional high status of women in Burma (then a British colony) as something admirable, even worth emulating. Burmese women were traditionally educated, literate, wealthy, owned property and businesses, inherited property. They didn’t vote, but then, Burma wasn’t a democracy. It went from being a Monarchy to British colony to part of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere to military junta…

    Anyway, my point is that this weird attitude of cultural superiority is part of the problem. Especially because Westerners have not (and, likely cannot) fix the problems in their own backyard. The new, aggressive policy of ‘America alone’ and the Middle East becoming the new playground for the military-industrial complex means that there is no incentive to stop it either. The elites NEED the myth of perpetual conflict, and it is spoon fed to the masses who will never wake up and question it. Instead of learning from one another, it becomes a question of all or nothing…

    Also… Solid Snake. You’re Yemeni? Never knew.

  • MasterQ

    @LoonWatch

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  • Believing Atheist

    This is the 2012 World Report from Human Rights Watch. Click on the link below and scroll down to the ME and North Africa
    http://www.hrw.org/world-report-2012

    Then tell me how much of what Mona said correlates with the findings of this report.

    Let me say this, the problem with Mona however, is that she engages in stereotypes and hasty generalizations and believes correlation is causation. But that does not mean all of her statements are false, ludicrous or sexist/racist/orientalist or whatever else you want to call it.

    Many of her statements can be backed up with facts.

    Women hold up half the sky and a just, progressive and liberal democracy/society requires the emancipation and self-determinism of women.

  • DrM

    The majority of the comments are on target. I’ve been reading Eltahawy’s articles for years(refuted some of them as well), and she’s an opportunistic hack, no different then Nomani, Manji, Fatah and the rest of the eager beaver Native Informants milking 911 to make a living. Like the rest of the goof troop, Eltahawy supports Islamophobia whether it’s hijab bans, niqab bans, burning Qur’ans etc. What many may not know is that one of her earliest supporters was Paul Wolfowitz, one of the main architects of the Iraq war, also known for his fetish of secular westernized Arab women i.e. his Saudi girlfriend(the one that made him lose his job at the World bank). Eltahawy was also a member of the defunct, neocon affiliated PMU(Progressive Muslim Union), which tried to change the definition of what a Muslim is. I may share more dirt later.
    Those interested should watch her “debate” with Heba Ahmed, a niqab wearing mechanical engineer:

    http://muslimmatters.org/2011/04/12/cnn-hebah-ahmed-muslimmatters-blogger-debates-mona-eltahawy-over-french-niqab-burka-ban/

    Mona’s tricks are those of the typical feminist, pandering and pretending to care for women’s issues while promoting western hegemony and domination(not to mention a fair amount of Zionist white washing). Of course it ties in nicely with orientalist racist fantasies about the threatening sexuality of Arab men, and Muslim men by extension.

  • truth

    What I have to say is that she shouldn’t have used the word HATE another word would have been more suitable. Also for her to blame Religion as causes of this is also wrong.
    @ truthseeker am very sure you don’t really search for TRUTH because all your comments that have been reading so far on loonwatch is full of FALLACY.

  • Believing Atheist

    @MH and Solid Snake,

    I have no problem with Danios criticizing Mona. I really don’t like her arguments and I read the original piece, but it is a starting point to a much necessary discussion in the Arab world. If you look at the atrocities against women in these countries (and soon I will link to the human rights reports) you will be horrified.

    The piece itself engages in generalizations.

    However that doesn’t mean Danios’s critique of the piece is perfect either. I take exception with this statement from Danios (and this was the only statement I quoted) so here it is again:

    “Women’s rights is an area of concern in many parts of the developing world, not just the Arab world. Why single out Arabs? Women face major obstacles in India. Should we demonize the Hindu religion and the great Indian civilization?”

    Arabs have a moral obligation to single out Arabs and fight the human rights violations in their communities just as liberal and secular Jews have a moral obligation to fight human rights violations in their communities and Israel and just as Americans have a moral obligation to fight human rights violations in America for the simple fact that they are either citizens or representatives of this community and hence, they should participate in the progress of their community.

    If all groups and nationalities do their part in correcting the violations in their community we will have a better world.

    The statement from Danios also engages in a logical fallacy known as tu quoque.

    And to refute Danios’s point I quoted Chomsky and here is the quote again:

    “It is very easy to denounce the atrocities of someone else. That has about as much ethical value as denouncing atrocities that took place in the 18th century.”

    @aiman,

    I really don’t know what to say to that. So let me just quote Finkelstein:

    “If you want to use the law as a weapon, to influence public opinion, you can’t be selective with the law. You can’t say, I have the right to walk at the green, but I’m kind of agnostic at the red. No. If you have the right to walk at the green, it’s because you have an obligation to stop at the red. The law is a package deal. So if you want to use the law, the law also says “Israel is a state”.”

    Furthermore, both the Jews and the Palestinians are the indigenous people of that land and this has been proven by genetics
    http://bric.postech.ac.kr/science/97now/00_10now/001030a.html

    From the 12th century BCE until 135 CE Jews were the largest ethnic- religious group in this area.

    They were forcefully expelled by the Romans after a series of failed revolts/wars.

    “In 73 AD, the last of the revolutionaries were holed up in a mountain fort called Masada; the Romans had besieged the fort for two years, and the 1,000 men, women, and children inside were beginning to starve. In desperation, the Jewish revolutionaries killed themselves rather than surrender to the Romans. The Romans then destroyed Jerusalem, annexed Judaea as a Roman province, and systematically drove the Jews from Palestine. After 73 AD, Hebrew history would only be the history of the Diaspora as the Jews and their world view spread over Africa, Asia, and Europe.”
    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/History/Diaspora.html

  • Solid Snake

    Excellent response Danios. The way I see her is nothing more than someone who noticed where the spotlight is shining a.k.a the anti-Arab and anti-Muslim industry.

    Are there womens rights problems in the Arab and Muslim world? Yes. Including my home country Yemen.

    Her writing is very counter productive. I agree with Danios that her thesis is founded upon the racist stereotype that Arab men hate women.

    @BA

    The intellectual giants Chomsky and Finkelstein criticize Israel and Jewish society using well though out balanced intellectual arguments. When Chomsky and Finklestein begin using Neo-nazi inspired arguments and Neo-nazi inspired stereotypes to ‘criticize’ Israel then you can make such a comparison. Even then it is a stretch.

    It would be like Chomsky and Finkelstein attempting to explain Israels economic problems with a thesis saying “Israels Economic problems: Jews are greedy!” Or “Israeli-Palestinian conflict: Jews want to take over the world”

    Can you see the similarities between those statements and her statement “Womens Rights Problems In The Middle East: Arab men hate women”.

    The ‘Arabs hate women’ argument is the product of an industry working hard to demonize Arabs. For that reason alone I must disregard her essay and thesis as nothing more than and opportunistic lunge for the spotlight.

    She not only bolsters the Islamophobes position, she also alienates genuine champions of Womens rights who are Arab and Muslim. And the most damaging effect of her racist screed is the fact that she has probably managed to push more ‘on the fence’ people into the Islamophobes camp. I mean what more evidence/reasons do you need when you have an actual Middle Eastern Muslim Woman ‘PROVING” (I use that term lightly) that Arab men are all scum and hate women.

    Finally, as a Middle Eastern Arab male I find this extremely offensive. I have sisters,a mother, cousins, neighbors, classmates, sisters in Islam that I care for and love. Her ideas are absolutely repugnant and I cannot take them seriously.

  • Reynardine

    Muslim Heritage, you sound disagreeably like Phyllis Schlafly.

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