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The Nuclear Card

Why Do They Hate Us? They Don’t.

Posted on 26 April 2012 by Danios

Mona Eltahawy, an Arab-American journalist, created a firestorm when Foreign Policy Magazine published her article “Why Do They Hate Us?”.  If you thought the they and us refers to Muslims and Americans, you’d be wrong.  In fact, they is Arab men, and us is women.  Her article is a stabbing critique of Arab culture, which she finds to be heavily misogynistic.

If that wasn’t provocative enough, she goes further: according to her, these Arab men hate women.  ”Yes: They hate us. It must be said.”  To prove her argument, she issues a challenge: “Name me an Arab country, and I’ll recite a litany of abuses [against women] fueled by a toxic mix of culture and religion.”  The rest of the article is a recitation of that litany, interspersed with jazzy catchphrases such as “[w]e are more than our headscarves and our hymens” and “poke the hatred in its eye.”

There is no way to deny the basic premise that the status of women’s rights in the Arab world is abysmal.  Why then did Mona Eltahawy evoke such a hostile reaction from even the Arab women whose rights she seeks to protect?  The easy answer, one that Eltahawy and her supporters might argue, is that these women are simply brainwashed.  Too much “Islamism” in their little brains.  The problem with this argument is that it’s sexist.  It’s basically saying Arab women are too stupid to think for themselves.

The real reason that Arab women recoil after reading Eltahawy’s article is that, while she tries to connect to them based on their gender, she attacks other aspects of their core identity: their race, nationality, religion, and culture.  In fact, her racist (and somewhat babbling) screed is nothing short of a vicious attack on their entire civilization.

Eltahawy cites “a toxic mix of culture and religion” as the source of the abuses against women.  Oddly, she later says, “You — the outside world — will be told that it’s our ‘culture’ and ‘religion’ to do X, Y, or Z to women.”  Yet, it is Mona Eltahawy herself who is arguing precisely that.

By attacking their core identity, Eltahawy has succeeded in alienating her own audience.  Imagine, for instance, an American feminist arguing for greater rights for African women, while at the same time assailing the black race, African culture, and traditional tribal religion.  How receptive or thankful do you think these African women would be?  How pleased would the black or African community be if someone was writing articles about how backwards their culture is?

Mona Eltahawy’s article engages in trite, racial stereotypes.  Legitimate problems in the Arab world are sensationalized.  They hate women.  What an absurd exaggeration!  They have mothers, sisters, wives, and daughters–and it is reasonable to assume that, like other human beings on earth, they love them.

A man can love his wife and still abuse her.  He can have undying affection for his daughter but still wrong her in horrible ways.  But, by going so far as to say they hate women, Eltahawy has dehumanized them.  One recalls similar invective against Palestinian parents: they don’t love their children.  The message being sent is: they are worse than animals.

Women’s rights is an area of concern in many parts of the developing world, not just the Arab world.  Why single out Arabs?  Women face major obstacles in India.  Should we demonize the Hindu religion and the great Indian civilization?

Eltahawy lists off “a litany of abuses”, bringing up extreme cases to make her point.  By citing isolated cases and stacking them all up together, she ends up portraying an imbalanced and biased picture of the Arab world.

Racists don’t see nuance.  They lump all people of a certain group altogether.  That’s exactly what Mona Eltahawy does in her article.  She paints the entire people of that region–or at least its men–with one broad bush.  They hate women.  All 170 million of them.

In fact, not all Arabs are alike.  During my travels in the Muslim world, I saw all sorts of people, with a broad diversity of views.  I met conservative Muslims, liberal Muslims, atheists, Christians, Communists, hippies, you name it.  No sweeping generalization could be made about them (aside for, perhaps, their disgust of American foreign policy).

It is true that I was deeply disturbed by the mistreatment of women, religious and ethnic minorities, poor people, servants, and animals.  But, I also met people there–men, no less–who were also deeply disturbed by these things and would have no part in it.

Just as the viral Kony 2012 video drew criticism for reinforcing the idea of White Man’s Burden, so too does Mona Eltahawy’s article tap into historically racist Orientalist attitudes towards the Arab world.

By firmly pegging abuses against women to the Arab culture and Muslim religion, Mona Eltahawy’s article was nothing short of bigotry.  Indeed, one could hardly tell the difference between Eltahawy’s article and what could normally be found sprawled on numerous Islamophobic websites, such as Robert Spencer’s JihadWatch and Pamela Geller’s Atlas Shrugs.  It is almost a surety that her article will be approvingly cited on such sites, which pit “our civilized, freedom-loving civilization” against “those barbaric, women-hating peoples.”

Had Mona Eltahawy been just any ole’ Islamophobe hacking away at the keyboard–had she been a Robert Spencer or a Pamela Geller–her article would hardly have made headlines.  It would have been just one of thousands and thousands of such hateful rants on the internet by anti-Muslim trolls.  But, like Irshad Manji and Asra Nomani, Mona Eltahawy has an official “I’m a Muslim” card.  That’s even better than the official “I’m an ex-Muslim” card that bigots like Ayaan Hirsi Ali and Nonie Darwish proudly carry.  It’s probably even a step above the “I’m a former jihadi terrorist” gold card.  Eltahawy holds the platinum card and gets extra points for being a woman.

As other pundits have noted, Mona Eltahawy is–along with Irshad Manji, Asra Nomani, Tarek Fatah, Zuhdi Jasser, etc.–acting in the role of the “native informant.”  Monica L. Marks writes on the Huffington Post:

Why Do They Hate Us?” asks the latest cover of Foreign Policy magazine. Beneath the title stands a cowering woman wearing nothing but black body paint resembling the niqab, or full Islamic face veil.

Egyptian feminist Mona Eltahawy authored the article. Her central contention — that Arab Muslim culture “hates” women — resurrects a raft of powerful stereotypes regarding Islam and misogyny. It also situates Ms. Eltahawy’s work within a growing trend of “native informants” whose personal testimonies of oppression under Islam have generated significant support for military aggression against Muslim-majority countries in recent years.

Books by these “native voices” — including Ayaan Hirsi Ali’s “Infidel,” Azar Nafisi’s “Reading Lolita” in Tehran, and Irshad Mandji’s “Faith Without Fear” — have flown off the shelves in post-9/11 America despite being roundly rebuffed by leading feminist academics such as Columbia University’s Lila Abu-Lughod and Yale’s Leila Ahmed. Saba Mahmood, another respected scholar, noted that native informants helped “manufacture consent” for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan by serving up fear-inducing portrayals of Islam in “an authentic Muslim woman’s voice.”

Although such depictions have proven largely inaccurate and guilty of extreme generalizations, they have become immensely popular. Why? Because these native “testimonials” tell us what we in the West already know — that there’s something inherently misogynistic about Muslims and Arabs.

By stirring up our sympathies and reinforcing our prejudices, individuals like Ms. Hirsi Ali and Ms. Eltahawy have climbed to the top of the media ladder. Their voices are drowning out the messages of more nuanced, well-respected scholars.

Marks goes on to say:

Her fault lies in extrapolating broad cultural judgments from context-specific abuses, implying that Islam and Arab culture writ large are have toxically combined to create a hopelessly backward region that “treats half of humanity like animals.”

These native informants just tell us what we want to hear.  Their job is to increase hatred of Arabs and Muslims, something that is needed in order to sustain our multiple wars of aggression in that part of the world.

Native informants do not help fix the problems they point to.  Why, for example, did Mona Eltahawy choose to publish her article in Foreign Policy, an American magazine?  Why didn’t she write it for an Arab/Arabic publication, with a primarily Arab readership?

Instead she chose Foreign Policy Magazine, which was founded by none other than Samuel P. Huntington.  His famous Clash of Civilizations theory pit the Judeo-Christian West against the Muslim world.  How very fitting that Mona Eltahawy’s us vs. them article was published in the magazine he founded.

Eltahawy’s audience is clear:

You — the outside world — will be told that it’s our ‘culture’ and ‘religion’ to do X, Y, or Z to women.

Monica Marks writes:

 It is important for her readers, however, to understand the dangers of sensationalist coverage that over-simplify complex matters of gender, politics, and religious observance in Muslim-majority countries.

History is rife with examples of seemingly women-friendly arguments hijacked in the service of imperialistic and aggressive ends. While emotional and sensationalist portrayals such as this most recent Foreign Policy cover will sell copies, they do little to deepen our understanding of the contexts and conditions shaping women’s oppression in Arab countries today.

Indeed, the issue of human rights was routinely used by the colonial powers to justify the conquest and expropriation of land.  The Americas, including the land that is now the United States, was brutally conquered and stolen by Europeans on this very basis.  The indigenous peoples were portrayed as savages needing civilizing.  The white man would bring them “democracy”, “freedom”, and “civilization” (Operation Iraqi Freedom?).

In her article, Mona Eltahawi enumerates numerous abuses Arab women face.  However, none of these inhumanities–not even female genital mutilation–can be considered as problematic as the cannibalism and human sacrifice that the indigenous peoples of the Americas sometimes engaged in.  And yet, whatever failings the indigenous peoples had in their culture and civilization, it is now widely understood who the real savage was.

We can continue to pat ourselves on the back for how civilized we are, how free our women are, how we are so much better than them.  But, none of that will change the fact that we are the ones waging wars of aggression and occupation in the Muslim world.  We are the ones killing hundreds of thousands of their innocent men, women, and children.

It was in another article, also published in Foreign Policy with almost the exact same title–Why They Hate Us?–that Prof. Stephen Walt calculated the number of Muslim lives the U.S. has extinguished:  “a reasonable upper bound for Muslim fatalities…is well over one million, equivalent to over 100 Muslim fatalities for every American lost.”  To use a jazzy catchphrase of my own: mutilating a baby girl’s genitals is horrible, but dropping a bomb on her head is much worse.

Danios was the Brass Crescent Award Honorary Mention for Best Writer in 2010 and the Brass Crescent Award Winner for Best Writer in 2011.

  • Believing Atheist

    @llisha,

    AJ does not have a point unless you acknowledge that a straw man fallacy is the new logical argument. AJ asked me to show where in the Quran it mentions the seventeen points she listed. Well Mona never said the Quran justified any of those points in the list to the best of my knowledge. Show me if she did.

    2. Garibaldi’s response to me on another thread was let’s just agree to disagree. If you call that a response, okay. I accepted it because I didn’t want to drag that conversation on forever.

    3. You wrote an article just today saying that you agree with Danios’s critique of Mona. Why would you as a fellow female? Danios said:

    “A man can love his wife and still abuse her. He can have undying affection for his daughter but still wrong her in horrible ways. But, by going so far as to say they hate women, Eltahawy has dehumanized them.”

    That’s the excuse of every wife-beater and child-molester. You should ask Danios to retract this statement.

    Why give the pure emotion of love to such an barbarity? And subsequently why are you agreeing with this critique?

  • Ilisha

    @Believing Atheist

    We already had this debate on another thread. You keep referencing that one book, as if it’s gospel. Garibaldi responded here:

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/03/message-to-iran-free-pastor-youcef-nadarkhani/#comment-152979

    Also, the loons love to mention Al-Azhar University as a authority, and here’s a recent opinion from Dr. Wael Shihab, PhD in Islamic Studies, which certainly does not call for the death penalty for apostates:

    http://www.onislam.net/english/ask-the-scholar/quran-and-hadith/456160-verses-on-freedom-of-faith-abrogated.html?Hadith

    It seems every topic from Palestine to apostasy is on this thread.

  • Believing Atheist

    @AJ,

    First I take issue with a statement you made. You said:

    “If it’s related to Islam, it has to be based upon the Quran.”

    No it doesn’t. The sunnah may consist of the Hadith as well. I will give you one example. The issue of Apostasy. The Quran does not punish apostasy in this life. However, “the MAJORITY of Muslim JURISTS regard the offering of an opportunity for repentance as essential before an APOSTATE is put to DEATH. (p 54) of this book
    http://books.google.com/books?id=HzFZKWc9SCgC&printsec=frontcover&dq=apostasy+in+islam&hl=en&sa=X&ei=yBYaT7uHOojogQeTqaj2Cw&ved=0CDoQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    Furthermore, Hanafis claim that if an apostate does not repent and return to Islam he/she is to be put to death.

    Malikis claim that if an apostate remains obdurate and do not repent they should be put to death.

    The Shaf’is believe that an apostate should be granted three days to reconsider and if he/she refuses to revert to Islam he/she must be put to death.

    The Hanbalis must either be given three days to reconsider or return to Islam immediately if they refuse either order, apostates should be put to death.

    Now where do they get this idea from? It’s not in the Quran.You tell me.

    Now Mona and I agree that none of those problems are based on Islam. She made that clear in the video and she did not cite the Quran to the best of my knowledge. (Unless you can prove otherwise).

    What she has a problem with is a degeneration of Islam into a political philosophy, which is forbidden in Islam. Read Islam and the Secular State to find out why
    http://books.google.com/books?id=aKenKtONX2MC&printsec=frontcover&dq=islam+and+the+secular+state&hl=en&sa=X&ei=DmmcT_blE_Kd6AHDh82FDw&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    In short the argument is that Islam needs a secular state in order to flourish free of compulsion and to give freedom to all.

    Let me in the end just answer your question with a simple yes.

    I get back to you soon tonight hopefully if you decide to reply.

  • Believing Atheist

    @Solid Snake,

    Thanks for the reply. I agree the notion that Arab culture is unfriendly towards women is insulting especially to an Arab. And that is one of the flaws in the reasoning by Mona, she sees Arab society as a monolith as Leila Ahmed pointed out, Yemen (or maybe she said Tunisia) is not the same as Saudi Arabia, and so forth.

    Culture is what we human beings make of it. It can change, it can borrow, it can have myriad qualities.

    However, when you have a persistent problem century after century after century and what is being done to rectify this problem is not working because a patriarchal dominated society pushes back social-change, women the victims have a right to resist that push back. Mona’s words are a form of resistance clouded by anger/violent emotion like Malcolm X’s words when he talked about white men. A victim speaks with fury and sometimes we cannot empathize because we are not the victims.

    That’s why I understood when some of the pro-Palestinian commenters on this thread were angry at me and lashed out at me. I tried not to lash out back but to speak reasonably, because I can’t personally feel the Palestinian pain but I know it exists.

    Mona and many people like her are the victims. If you prefer not to hear their screams then everyone should do their part to end women’s suffering to the best of their abilities.

    Anyway I have a life to live and if any of you reply I will get back with you tonight or tomorrow.

    @Khushboo,

    I didn’t mean strange in a negative sense. I tried to articulate that the response felt strange to me.

  • http://aayjay.wordpress.com AJ

    BA,

    “Secondly, I believe you set up a false-premise in order to manufacture a desired conclusion. So you say show me in the Quran, well Mona is not arguing based on the Quran.“

    I am a straight shooter and I do not beat around the bush.

    If it’s related to Islam, it has to be based upon the Quran – the word of God. If she says an ideology related to Islam is responsible for the 17 problems mentioned above, then the direct conclusion is that Quran is responsible.

    “I never mentioned Islam was the cause of all these problems.”

    So do you accept that Islam and any ideology truly based upon it, is NOT responsible for the 17 problems referenced above?

    AJ

  • Believing Atheist

    @AJ,

    Thanks for ruining my Saturday :) Btw AJ, if you reproduce this conversation be brave enough to reproduce it in full.

    I never mentioned Islam was the cause of all these problems. In fact the Quran/Islam can be the vehicle for a feminist movement in the ME. If you read for instance, Leila Ahmed.

    Neither to the best of my knowledge did Mona. You will have to reproduce the quote. This is what she said: The Islamist hatred of women burns brightly across the region — now more than ever.

    The world Islamist is used to refer to Islam as a political ideology and not a personal faith. You may not like the word but it has a definition in the dictionary/online encyclopedias.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamism

    In fact she said Islam was not the problem in this debate with Leila Ahmed:
    http://mhpshow.msnbc.msn.com/

    Secondly, I believe you set up a false-premise in order to manufacture a desired conclusion. So you say show me in the Quran, well Mona is not arguing based on the Quran. I don’t have memory of her mentioning it in negative way if at all. Again show me where she mentions the Quran in a negative light. Then we can have this conversation. Otherwise, premise is a non-starter.

    @Khushboo,

    Strange person you are. When a Muslim women defends the rights of other Muslim women you get upset and when a non-Muslim defends the rights of Muslim women you still get upset. We just can’t win. And no one said that we should intervene in these places, Mona did not say that either and she made that explicitly clear in the debate with Leila Ahmed.

    Forgive any spelling mistakes.

  • St.Djinn

    Hahaha what a foolish notion. Arabs hate women. The Arab world invented romance! Read a book or two silly lass. Europeans took back the idea of speaking beautifully to and protecting women(called chivalry in French) from there time in the middle east. The Arab word Ghazal (poetry) literally means “to speak to a woman”.
    I could make a write a parralel article as to why do westerners love alcohol and drugs more than their own children? I could add nauseating statistics about alcohol and fdrug fueled domestic abuse, child abuse/abandonment and drunk driving accidents to support my “factual” claims. Yet I would never consider writing such a ridiculous article suggesting monolithic, balkanized macrostatements because that would making sound like an idiot.

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  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Inpeace and BA
    The point I am trying to make is that the west has interfered in the ME for some time . Therefore it is impossible to say if the satus of women or other social issues would been any different had they not interfered. The situation would have been different is all we can say
    Incidently I am not the only person to make this point about the influence of the west on the ME states ( see here
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/04/the-failure-of-the-arab-state-and-its-opposition/ )
    I was amused that this appeared after my origional post on this issue .
    InPeace
    you assume that polygamy is a bad thing I am not so sure, as I have known people both very happy in polygamous relationships and some unhappy , same goes for monogamous relationships . As long as its done in free will what ever rocks your boat as far as I am concerned .

  • http://aayjay.wordpress.com AJ

    Believing Atheist,

    Your insistence, that Mona Eltahawy has not done anything wrong, has tired me so much that I am going to go through every accusation that Mona Eltahawy has hurled at Islam in her article.

    Prove to me that:

    1) Quran orders a man to deny a woman her orgasm by leaving for prayers the moment that she is to climax.

    2) Quran orders to cut off woman’s genitalia to reduce any sexual temptations.

    3) Quran orders child marriages.

    4) Quran orders illiteracy for women.

    5) Quran forbids women from driving.

    6) Quran orders punishment for victims of rape.

    7) Quran forbids women from voting.

    8 ) Quran orders men to sexually harass women.

    9) Quran orders that if a baby boy pees on you, you don’t have to change clothes for praying but if a baby girl pees on you, you have to change clothes.

    10) Quran orders that if a building catches fire then to let the women burn in it if the women are not properly covered.

    11) Quran makes it mandatory for Muslim men to enforce hijab on Muslim women.

    12) Quran orders victims of sexual assault to be placed in jails and the only way they could get out is by someone marrying them.

    13) Quran orders virginity tests and allows doctors to place their fingers inside women’s vaginas to determine their virginity.

    14) Quran orders head to toe black for women.

    15) Quran orders that women cannot protest or march.

    16) Quran orders to sexually assault women if they do protest or march.

    17) Quran orders to place women in jail if they drive.

    Mona Elthawy uses a total of 9 explicit references to Islam/Muslim/Islamist in her article besides countless references to many different Arab countries and the Arab culture.

    Believing Atheist prove to me right now that the 17 statements above are true. If not, Mona Eltahawy, you and anyone else that supports her article has defamed and slandered Islam.

    AJ

    PS. I will reproduce this comment on my blog as well.

  • khushboo

    “Mona endured Police beating and sexual assault in Egypt to defend Muslim women like you Khushboo.”

    It was to defend all Egyptians who want freedom from the brutal regime and I was very proud of her for that. This was last year.

    I think her experience due to the sexual assault made her bitter against all Arab men. She might need counseling.

    Sadly, she now seems to be doing what you call “armchair condemnation”.

    “she endured those things so that you are not subjected to virginity tests as many Muslim women are.”

    Please don’t speak for us Muslim women since majority of us are fine and are treated very well by our men. And for those who are not, we don’t have the right to dictate what another country should or should not do. We could cause more harm than good, i.e. Mona.

  • Solid Snake

    @BA

    Thank you for your reply.

    Of course it is evident in history and in the present that the West has done many good things that I wish for Muslim and Arab societies to emulate. They have also done many things to help many people around the world. Please do not confuse me with people who blame all of their problems on a certain group be it the West or Muslims etc etc. I have stated that I believe current issues are far more complex than Group A is solely responsible for Social Phenomenon B.

    Having said that. I do apologize if I seemed rude or unfair to AS in my reply. My main point is the prevailing politics in the West have inextricably tied the propagandistic notion that we are there to free the women (children/men) with Western foreign policy. In fact that is far from the truth.

    The hypothetical question you posed regarding the existence of the West is a very broad one. Maybe if we specify the question we might be able to get an answer.

    For example, What if the Ottoman Empire was not carved up by Western powers into the present state?

    What if the West had adopted a ‘hands off policy’ towards the Middle East? What if they did not install Western friendly dictators? What if they did not overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran and installing a Western friendly despot?

    Do you think if the people of the Middle East, after the end of the Ottoman Empire, were left alone without the covert and overt intervention of the West that social institutions such as education, Healthcare, and civil rights would have flourished?

    Do you think that if the people of the Mid East and Africa had been left alone and given a chance like Europe and America to evolve without interference by foreign armies and governments that they would have eventually gotten rid of things like FGM and child marriages?

    These are all very interesting questions.

    What I also have issue with AS’ post was his statement that ‘Arab culture is not women friendly and that women are indeed brainwashed into accepting the horrible things’. He/she also cited that many women are illiterate or do not have an education.

    What my friend fails to take into account is that a many men in the Middle East aren’t educated or did not have a full education. The opportunities for a quality education in the Middle East are inadequate.

    AS’ main idea is that it is due to the nature of Arab culture being unfriendly to women.

    That is incorrect. Where I live in America the majority of women and girls I know have at least a high school degree with many finishing college and going into graduate studies. They are Arabs and Muslims. Why the difference? the opportunities, the living conditions, and overall quality of life that the West offers.

    There are Arabs and Muslims living in the US. No FGM. Many educated men and women.

    Plus, the notion that Arab culture is ‘not friendly to women’ is very insulting to me. Not that I expect anyone to change their view due to my sensitivities, I expect them to change their view due to arguments I posted.

  • InPeace

    Britain has been muddling in the affairs of Egypt for over 150 years for instance . 150 years ago women were still seen a chattel in both countries and wife beating was legal . One of those countries being wealthy changed things the other being effectivly a coloney for much of the time did not . Whose fault is that ?

    Polygamy was also more widespread during that time. The British DID manage to change that.

  • Believing Atheist

    Sir David,

    Well let me give you this example. The ME could not abolish slavery on its own. It tried several times one such attempt may be found in the Cyrus cylinder.

    Even the prophet of Islam tried but failed to abolish slavery altogether.

    If you read the prologue of the book I linked to or simply the wikipedia page, the ME was only able to abolish slavery due to Western pressure. So when I see the before and the after, I see one catalyst in between the two, and that is the West.

    Now it is also true that the West brought other social evils to the region. For instance, for the most part the ME was self-sufficient, now it is impoverished in many areas.

  • MaratSafin

    Sir David, why didn’t the Egyptians stop the practice of FGM which existed before any British colonisation? I know the practice predates Islam and even the Arab civilisation, to the time of the Pharoahs but they could have stopped it. Why didn’t they? You cannot lay this at the feet of western colonialism.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Believing Athiest
    First to quote Gil Scott-heron

    There are examples galore I assure you,
    but if interpreting was left up to me
    I’d be sure every time folks knew this version wasn’t mine
    which is why it is called ‘His story’.

    The point I was making that the West has been interferring in the affairs of countries in the middle east for so long you cannot say that without this interferance they would be in the same state as they are now .
    Britain has been muddling in the affairs of Egypt for over 150 years for instance . 150 years ago women were still seen a chattel in both countries and wife beating was legal . One of those countries being wealthy changed things the other being effectivly a coloney for much of the time did not . Whose fault is that ?

  • Believing Atheist

    Khushboo, when you say did she do it because she really cares, just let her actions speak for themselves. Mona endured Police beating and sexual assault in Egypt to defend Muslim women like you Khushboo.

    And I am sorry to be very frank and perhaps crude here, but she endured those things so that you are not subjected to virginity tests as many Muslim women are. So that you are not seen as a piece of meat walking down the street. So that rape is a shame that rests with the perpetrator and not the victim. So that your job is not to simply take in sperm and bear children.

    There are those who are faux feminists or even faux human rights activists. They do armchair condemnation and they talk the talk but don’t walk the walk. Mona walked the walk and she paid the price for it. At least acknowledge that much.

    In contrast what did Danios do for the plight of women in Egypt? Was he subject to sexual assault and police brutality there?

    All he did was by his own confession walk down the streets in the ME and say oh the poor dog, oh the poor minority, oh the poor woman and then blast somebody who actually suffered for the cause.

    Sorry if I sound rude towards Danios, but I am angry at him. He was my hero and my favorite bloggers and it pains me to see this article.

  • Deccal

    Because the Arab world is such a bastion of women’s rights.

  • Believing Atheist

    The evidence Sir David is called HISTORY.

    Long before the West came to dominate the ME, the ME was filled with genital mutilation, concubinage and sex slavery of women, child-marriage, etc.

    To read about some of this read this book by Historian Ronald Segal called Islam’s Black Slaves
    http://books.google.com/books?id=fdh3GYnXvrAC&printsec=frontcover&dq=islam's+black+slaves&hl=en&sa=X&ei=nDicT77GOLCf6QHH4MHpDg&ved=0CDYQ6AEwAA#v=onepage&q&f=false

    And no Ronald Segal is not a bigot. He was an anti-apartheid activist. Here is his obituary.
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2008/feb/26/culture.obituaries

    Some of these atrocities against women also happen in the west today. And I acknowledge that. It’s time for you to acknowledge the same for the ME. Don’t discard the message alongside the messenger.

  • khushboo

    “A man who beats his wife and daughter does not love them but dehumanizes them.”

    That’s certainly true but I think the point was that she has stereotyped Arab men and therefore, lost all credibility. Did she do it because she really cares(which I doubt), get media attention, or simply because of her bad experience with men…I guess we’ll never know but she has done more damage than good giving the US more reason to intervene, giving Islamophobes more fodder, and ruining the reputation of of good, loving Arab men especially since she’s Arab herself. What good has she done to actually help the women? Action speaks louder and talk is cheap or in her case, more fame and money. She alienated the Arab women instead.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Believing Athiest

    “But, let’s assume that the West did not exist or it was not a great power. Will that change the fact societies in the ME oppress women? No”

    Sorry but I dont see any evidence for this . Its just your supposition. The West has long manipulated the politics of the ME . You cannot say with surity that if the west had not interfeared with the ME the political, social and economical situation would be the same or different .
    It could have been there situation would have been better or worse . We just dont know, but it would not have been the fault of the west.

  • Believing Atheist

    @Solid Snake,

    I think you are being unfair in your criticism of Anticipated Serendipity my friend. Yes the West used Orientalism, White-Man’s Burden, Colonization to oppress the ME and is still doing so to this day.

    But, let’s assume that the West did not exist or it was not a great power. Will that change the fact societies in the ME oppress women? No

    More importantly, just as the West was hurtful to the ME it also had some positive influence in that region. For instance, even though Islam may have condemned slavery, it was not until the arrival of the West that Slavery was abolished in the ME (Apologies for Wikipedia).
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_views_on_slavery

    Similarly, concepts such as child marriage, polygamy, concubinage were tackled though not always successfully by the west.

    In fact you can see this in many of the laws in the secular ME countries.

    So just as I acknowledge the atrocities conducted the West, I hope you my friend can acknowledge some of the benefits as well.

  • Yossi

    Heh!

    Have you heard of the Jewish Nakba Geji, Palestinian and zangi? Israel absorbed all the Jewish refugees, but the Arabs keep their refugees in camps.

    Recognising the Jewish ‘Nakba’
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jun/25/middleeast.middleeastthemedia
    Recognising the Jewish ‘Nakba’Acknowledging the plight of Jewish refugees from Arab countries – written out of history – could be the key to Middle East peace

    How Arabs stole Jewish property
    http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-4068854,00.html

    As Palestinians mark ‘Nakba Day,’ history shows Jews were dispossessed of all their assets too after escaping Arab countries between 1944-1964

  • Solid Snake

    @Anticipated Serendipity

    I thought it was made clear why many of us have a problem with her article. reread my above posts please.

    Regarding your statements:
    “Furthermore, is it an aspect of Western culture to “drop bombs on baby girl’s heads” or is that the unfortunate result of certain policies?”
    and
    “Talk about comparing apples and oranges *rolls eyes*. You can never miss an opportunity to badger on about how violent and destructive the West is, can you?”

    Unfortunately my friend, on this point regarding the West, you and your supporters are in the losing camp. If one honestly goes over the history of the West and specifically the U.S they will find a long, long history of killing, subjugation, intervention, and oppression either directly by the U.S or indirectly via proxies such as the many dictators that have been installed by the U.S

    One simply must research history with an open mind to find out that the U.S has been the most destructive force of our time after Nazi Germany.
    Have they meddled and taken the lives and freedoms of people in Middle and South America? Yes.
    Middle East? Yes.
    Asia? Yes.

    Recently the US revised their drone warfare rules of murder (engagement): Now the US can murder anyone they choose even if they do not know the name of that person.

    A study was done that showed that the US would strike funerals, weddings, etc etc and wait until a second group of rescuers arrive and then strike again killing the rescuers.

    It is simple to dismiss the long list of civilians that the US has killed as collateral damage and not ‘policy’ but the facts show the grim reality of the ‘leaders of the free world’.

    FGM is the result of poor living conditions, lack of education, ignorance of Islam (in the case of Muslims). We need to educate our people.

    The reason we are discussing Womens rights and foreign policy is because it is often used as an excuse to invade/ intervene in other countries. As much as you love your country and wish that they really are concerned for the women and Afghanistan or Yemen or Iraq, that isn’t reality. Women and children in droves have died, either in ‘collateral damage’incidents or ‘lone nut incidents’ where one or a group of soldiers rape/kill women and children only to get a demotion of rank.

  • Believing Atheist

    Thank you Anticipated Serendipity you hit the nail in the head. This article by Danios is a big fat JOKE!

    Danios makes bizarre assertions this is the funniest and most disgusting line from this article:

    “A man can love his wife and still abuse her. He can have undying affection for his daughter but still wrong her in horrible ways. But, by going so far as to say they hate women, Eltahawy has dehumanized them.”

    A man who beats his wife and daughter does not love them but dehumanizes them, does not see them as intrinsic human beings who feel pain, but rather as his sole possession, with whom he can do whatever he wishes as long as it pleases him.

    That’s why wife beating and child abuse is illegal in the West.

    Danios also smears Mona as a racist. Why would a racist fight for women’s rights in Egypt and suffer sexual assault and abuse by police on the frontline. Mona is a more courageous person than Danios, who simply does armchair analysis in this article.

    Danios then brings up his travels to the ME as some sort of proof that what Mona said was wrong. Ah the fallacy of anecdotal evidence!

    And as usual Danios can’t resist America/West bashing. He says:

    “mutilating a baby girl’s genitals is horrible, but dropping a bomb on her head is much worse.”

    Even if America did not exist, or no Western power existed genital mutilation will still be a a tragic phenomenon in the ME. Yes one is worse one actually KILLS. But we should never compare and contrast tragedies. They are inherently wrong on their own.

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