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Historical parallels in the treatment of Catholics and Muslims in the USA, brought to you by TYT Nation Channel contributor, Professor Rich:

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  • Géji

    > “Maybe the Islamaphobes see Islam as superior And therefore a threat to their belief system.”

    Shush! don’t let their secret out! right now they roaring to us that bleached skinned, blonded hair, blued eyed Jesus, the beloved Only Son of God-(or God himself?) will definitely win the epic battle against the mere messengers overtly simplistic brown Muhammad and Issa ibn Maryam.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @InPeace

    In addition to being intellectually pummeled into the ground, by just about everyone else here, you still have failed to provide the context for any of Spencer’s statements quoted in Loon Watch’s Islamophobia and Antisemitism video. Remember what I said earlier. If you are going to claim that someone was taken out of context, it is incumbent upon you to provide the context. I’m still waiting.

  • NassirH

    “Of course any Muslim truly interested in peace and tolerance should support Spencer; because that is what he supports.”

    As someone who gives two thumbs up to medieval Crusaders and far right nationalists in Serbia (fun fact: he denies the Bosnian genocide, his parallel to Holocaust denial), India, Israel, and almost anywhere else where nativists target Muslims, Spencer sure is one to preach about “peace and tolerance.” Let’s hope your comment is rooted in your dishonesty rather than ignorance.

    More peace and tolerance from JihadWatch:

    “It should be secretly delighted with each day’s news, the news that brings word not of Infidel casualties, but of Muslim casualties, inflicted by other Muslims.”—Hugh Fitzgerald

  • JT

    “Of course any Muslim truly interested in peace and tolerance should support Spencer; because that is what he supports.”

    LOL. JihadBob have you ever considered becoming a comedian? Open with that joke and you’ll knock ‘em dead. Speaking of knocking them dead, isn’t that exactly what Robert Spencer’s right hand men, namely Roland Shirk and Hugh Fitzgerald, advocated not long ago when discussing Egyptian protestors and the Yemen conflict?

    By contrast, no Loonwatch writer has ever advocated crushing protestors with tanks and neither have they delighted in the deaths of Muslims in such a perverted manner that readers have no choice but to wonder whether the writer in question is deriving more enjoyment from the thought of Muslim casualties than he does making love to his wife.

  • corey

    @inpeace
    and do you think his personal harpy geller is a supporter of tolerence and peace apparently supports marines who desecrate corpses http://news.yahoo.com/blogger-pamela-geller-loves-marines-urinating-corpses-004156420.html and talked shit about the norway massacre victims stating they were not pure norwegian http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/08/01/284011/pam-geller-race-mixing-breivik-right/

  • corey
  • InPeace

    Of course, with deranged beliefs like this there is absolutely no reason for any Muslim to support Spencer.

    Of course any Muslim truly interested in peace and tolerance should support Spencer; because that is what he supports.

  • IbnAbuTalib

    Bro NassirH, Salam Alaikum. Long time no see. Hope you are doing well.

  • NassirH

    “Not sure where I said anything about judging adherents to a religion.”

    Sure you don’t. Here’s what your hero Spencer says about such:

    “There is no reliable way for American authorities to distinguish jihadists and potential jihadists from peaceful Muslims.”

    Of course, with deranged beliefs like this there is absolutely no reason for any Muslim to support Spencer. Islamophobes get incensed when they’re compared to the anti-Semites, anti-Catholics, etc of the past because they know the parallels are veracious and numerous. Even the justifications contemporary rightwing extremists give for their bigotry is similar.

    “In Der Stuermer no editorial appeared, written by me or written by anyone of my main co-workers, in which I did not include quotations from the ancient history of the Jews, from the Old Testament, or from Jewish historical works of recent times.”—Julius Streicher

    So, you clearly aren’t helping your case when you insist these clowns are telling the truth while defending the genocidal content on their hate sites such as JihadWatch and AtlasShrugs. At least try to emulate your heroes and have the decency to be more straightforward about your crazy beliefs.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @InPeace

    You want to tell us that Spencer was taken out of context and therefor cannot be compared to Streicher, than guess what you need provide the context.

  • InPeace

    Spencer was not taken out of context.

    Disagree with you there. The comparison between Spencer and Julius Streicher was absurd. I remember one of the quotes has Spencer making a factually accurate statement and comparing it to an inaccurate statement made by Streicher. So Spencer is guilty of reporting the truth, it seems.

    Not sure where I said anything about judging adherents to a religion.

  • NassirH

    InPeace, the new butthurt Islamophobe. JK, it’s just old JihadBob under his nth moniker (obviously he’s a dedicated bigot). He must be pretty stupid to think that people couldn’t recognize his empty whining.

    This lovely quote from JihadWatch certainly isn’t taken out of context.

    “If I could have Mubarak’s ear, I would whisper just two words of wisdom: Tienanmen Square.”

  • Sir David : Man on a phone with a french spell check

    YourKinFolk
    Maybe the Islamaphobes see Islam as superior And therefore a threat to their belief system. :-)
    It would explain a lot of the silly repeated posts on this site.
    The likes of Jihab Bob , halal dork etc really are scared.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @InPeace

    We can also ask the same question about Jews, since most of the hateful intolerant passages I can think of are in the Old Testament.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @InPeace

    Spencer was not taken out of context.

    Also there are hateful intolerant things in the Bible as well. Should we judge Christians based on those passages in the Bible?

  • InPeace

    Remember this video you made awhile back comparing Julius Streicher said about Jews, to Robert Spencer has said about Muslims?

    Islamophobia and Antisemitism: Same message, different minority.

    Taking cherry-picked quotes out of their context, you could do the same with the Koran and Julius Streicher.

    Actually, in some ways, not all the quotes from the Koran would need to be taken out of context.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Black Infidel

    I saw that video as well. He is correct to point out how the religious right in America is a much greeter threat to freedom than even those Muslims who are genuine fanatics.

  • yourKinFolk

    one thinsg i dont understand about islamaphobes is hpow they can think islam is going to take over america…. it doesnt make sense…. like, i know that many of the largest (population wise) muslim countries are secular (not shariah based) democracies that already have had a female prime ministers and heads of state…. my question is this to islamaphobes…

    if in muslim majority countries, where maybe 80% or more of the population is muslim, and they still dont use shariah as their constitution or law, is it logical to think that in a country where less than 5% of the population are muslim (USA), shariah is gonna take over?

    this fear really doesnt make sense to me… man, even in countries like egypt, lebanon, pakistan, bangladesh, where christians are a minority, they arent forced to practice shariah….. this fear is irrational…

  • Black Infidel

    Another interesting video from that Ujames1978 guy:

  • Abdul-Rahman

    @Zakariya Ali Sher

    Good post, the one point I would make is that although some of the Arab immigrants that came to the West and the US in the 19th century CE (of course largely being Lebanese and Syrian Christians) were leaving their homelands because of actions by the Ottoman Turkish authorities (that then ruled much of the Middle East of course) many of them were not specifically leaving for that reason. In fact many of those who left happened to be from the upper crust of society, who possessed the wherewithal to immigrate and set up shop in another country and often seek education in Western/American universities, etc. Many of these were upper income, higher socioeconomic status individuals were again Lebanese Christians again who came to the US in this period often for educational or business opportunity reasons.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    Haven’t watched the video yet, but I’d like to point out that at least some of the anti-Catholic bigotry of previous decades was deeply intertwined with anti-Arab bigotry as well. Many people, sometimes even more recently arrived Arab and/or Muslim immigrants, tend to forget that the first big waves of Arab immigration in this country began in the 19th century with people who today would be called Lebanese, Syrian, Palestinian, Iraqi and Egyptian Arabs fleeing from Turkish oppression. And the overwhelming majority were Catholic, albeit Eastern Catholics like the Maronites and Chaldeans.

    The fact that these immigrants preceded both the rise of Arab nationalism and identity and the creation of modern states like ‘Syria,’ ‘Lebanon,’ ‘Iraq’ and such has helped make them an invisible minority. They were just as wont to identify as ‘Middle Eastern Christians,’ ‘Turks,’ or some other label rather than ‘Arab.’ More to the point, most Americans wouldn’t recognize an Arab name, nor a ‘real’ Arab in the first place. Racist cartoons generally have depicted ‘Arabs’ as extremely dark skinned, bearded Bedouins, terrorists and stock characters from Aladdin, with women being consigned to roles as half-naked harem slaves or burqa-clad victims. Far too few of my country men would give thought to people like Danny Thomas, Helen Thomas, Casey Kasem, Bobby Rahal, Tony Shalhoub, Salma Hayek, Shakira, Carlos Slim, Ralph Nader, Khalil Gibran, Paul Anka or Steve Jobs as being ‘Arab.’ Even though I suspect many of us on these forums would think they look ‘Arab,’ or at least recognize Arab names…

    Anyway, this early wave of Arab immigrants did face a great deal of persecution from Anglo-American Protestants in areas. In parts of the South, where you did have early concentrations of Arab Americans, they were actually targeted by the KKK. I’ll have to dig through my old college papers and see if I can find some of the anti-Catholic and anti-Arab cartoons and pamphlets that were in vogue in the 19th and early 20th centuries. Part of the reason I say until the early 20th century is because Congress began enforcing racially based quotas in 1924 aimed at restricting or altogether banning immigration from anywhere outside of Northern Europe for several decades. The Naturalization Act of 1790 prohibited Asians, blacks and other non-whites from gaining citizenship (American Indians didn’t get citizenship in full until 1924 incidentally). I should also point out that the allowances in quotas for immigrants from Africa and Asia were often reserved for Europeans born in those regions (Brits from India, for example, as it was a British colony at the time).

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Emperor

    Remember this video you made awhile back comparing Julius Streicher said about Jews, to Robert Spencer has said about Muslims?

    Islamophobia and Antisemitism: Same message, different minority.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmLvD0AzBCc&feature=plcp&context

    Maybe one of Loon Watch’s writers could do an article or a video comparing the rhetoric of anti catholic bigots at the height of anti catholic hysteria in Europe and America to the rhetoric of anti Muslim bigots today. The similarities between catholicophobia and Islamophobia maybe just as striking as the parallels between Islamophobia and Antisemtism.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Emperor

    Ujames1978 made some of his own videos comparing anti catholic bigotry to to anti Muslim bigotry. He makes a few other points that were not made here as well as backing up what Professor Rich said. I wouldn’t recommend his videos for children due to their bad language, but they’re still worth watching and thinking about. You should watch the second one especially.

    Catholic Immigration Then Vs. Muslim Immigration Now [Re-Uploaded]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f-y32pqpfxM&list=PLD37F6260E50C41AF&index=10&feature=plpp_video

    “Remember, Remember…” [Re-Uploaded]

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Emperor

    Excellent video. I love the Young Turks. However you may want to reformat it, so it fits the page better. The edge of the video is being covered up by the side bar

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