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Reddit Will Destroy Islam With Dumb Memes

Posted on 29 June 2012 by Ilisha

Atheism

In case you hadn’t noticed, there’s apparently a desperate shortage of anti-Muslim ridicule on the Internet. Dissatisfied with the web of  hate sites that have proliferated in the last decade with millions of dollars of funding and promotion, a supposed “ex-Muslim” has begged atheists to go on the offensive:

We ex-muslims are a very small minority, and there’s really nothing we can we really do to change anything. We can’t form orgnaizations or voice our thoughts in most Muslim countries. We practically have no rights whatsoever besides the right to go to jail or be hanged or beheaded for our blasphemy.

But the voice of millions of atheists like all of you would significantly help us. It brings into world attention our plight, and all the horrible things Islam is responsible for, and how it has oppressed and destroyed many of our lives. It would at least help change some laws that would benefit us ex-muslims.

I heard that Ayaan Hirsi Ali (an exmuslim) has replaced Hitchens as the one of the Four Horsemen of New Atheism. Maybe this is a cue that we need to concentrate more against the Religion of Peace?

Many atheists heeded the call, demonstrating once again they too can be hateful and intolerant.

Reddit Will Destroy Islam With Dumb Memes

by Adrian Chen, Gawker

Attention Muslims of the world: Better get your Muslim-ing in ASAP because atheist users of Reddit have decided to “go after” your puny religion. Rest in peace, Islam. You had a good thousand-and-a-half-or-so years but you’re no match for image macros and rage comics.

The atheism section of Reddit is a popular venue for insufferable non-believers to swap screenshots of the interminable Facebook comment flame wars they wage against their fundamentalist friends and Christian relatives. No religious-themed Facebook post will go un-commented on by these fearless logic warriors. But now Reddit’s atheism brigade has turned the full brunt of its attention to Islam, after a user claiming to be an ex-Muslim asked for their help.

Finally, someone on the internet will criticize Islam!

Often these sorts of campaigns end up in a frantic fundraising drive, but it looks like the bus monitor lady has used up all the internet’s money-raising mojo for the week. Instead, anti-Islam memes are flooding the front page of Reddit; Lolcats for people who sleep with a copy of God Is Not Great under their pillow. There’s a “Scumbag Muslim” meme, and a “Most Interesting Mohammed” meme, and this cartoon about how Islam has been “raping children for 1400 years” that is like something your 75 year-old racist great uncle would forward to you in an email. In fact a lot of the memes that Reddit users have been voting to the front page in their supposedly witty “war” on Islam are predicated on the same gross stereotypes of Muslims as rampaging terrorist-rapists favored by the likes of the shithead Pastor Terry Jones. There’s even a similar obsession with burning the Quran. (That last picture also happens to use a Hindu to represent a Muslim. But what the hell, they’ve all got turbans.)

Atheists on Reddit decrying a religion as the practice of intolerant douchebags is as ridiculous as… well, atheists on Reddit decrying a religion for treating women like sh*t.

(Comment from Garibaldi): I will also add that it seems Reddit Islam (r/islam) won the internets in this war waged upon them by the militant atheists. The goal of atheists who partook in this was to provoke a reaction from the backward, evil Muslims, and in fact the opposite occurred–most Muslims responded with grace and tact.

The deluge of racist and hateful anti-Islam/Muslim memes and comments also afforded Muslims a wellspring of support from various groups, including atheists themselves who vehemently disagreed with the whole campaign, Christians, Jews and Buddhists.

This campaign can be compared to the Everybody Draw Muhammad Day, which this year passed without much notice in May.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 2448.56)

    Useless Agruments
    Interesting attempt to invite people to Islam but I think you will need to be more subtle than that in these parts :-)

    Sir David
    Leftwing mooslim Alliance
    Angers

  • http://muslim-responses.com/ useless arguments

    no serious debater or intellectual would be proud of reading the above comments – especially by those who are more interested in proving their intellectual superiority than bridging gaps.

    Iislam is god’s religion. IT’s a simple system to succeed in this world and the hereafter. if you reject your creator, that’s your choice. in islam there is no compulsion however since this universe is created by god, his laws rule and that is the point of shariah.

    yes, disbeliever go to hell. so do muslims who are hypocrites or weak in faith. just like an exam there are grades and consequences for not doing your homework – regardless of how you feel about the subject or institution.

    anyone anti-muslim with an ounce of intelligence would balance their hate source with islamic source. it does not take any intelligence whatsoever to hate islam in a time when islam and muslims are frequently demonised. no different than believing the earth was flat during the european dark ages.

    for those who hate islam, we can pray that allah guide them. no point engaging them. it’s like approaching a barking dog with rabies. this also goes for the muslims who are to busy debating and have no knowledge of islamic etiquette and mannerisms.

    we are not here to convert but to establish allah’s laws. those who try to stop us have to be stopped. those who wish to discuss peacefully deserve a respect in return. those who insult islam or any religion for that matter for the sake of provocation are cancer in human form and in my opinion should be removed before they spread.

    islam is complete and just because some aspects do not make sense does not mean we reinterpret or ignore for the sake of political correctness.

    as muslims, we have bigger issues than non muslim enemies. most of us invest years on our degrees but how much time do we invest on studying the seerah?

    i wish you all the best. sincerely. you can hate islam but it only affects you. you can leave a smart comment disparaging others but ultimately it’s a reflection of your character and attitude which you carry everywhere.

    you may think you are smart with words but i’d wager that you fail as a human being. you have a choice. respond with a post that makes you look smart and me dumb or study the life of the prophet and truly understand what islam is all about.

    the enemies of islam during the time of the prophet hated islam only because it made them equal to others. islam removes undeserved status. it removes nationalism and corruption. it replaces ego and desire with a bigger picture. islam is strategic unlike this world of ours. interestingly, the enemies of islam loved the prophet as a human being. he was the best and the greatest and unfortunately, very few muslims emulate him. he was a prophet or mercy and a prophet or war. truly pragmatic.

    even if you study the biography of the prophet and do not embrace islam, you will have a different perspective that will help you with your personal, work or business challenges. this is not a challenge but an invitation. if you have any unresolved gaps in life, study the biography of the last prophet. many non muslims historically have studied the unbiased and uncensored biography because they appreciated the greatness of muhammad.

  • H. Torrance Griffin

    There are plenty of Muslims worthy of mockery, many of whom insist they are devout.

    Why mock Islam itself, or presume all are as idiotic as those who make a career of making the faith look bad?

    Of course the same goes for Atheism….

  • DrM

    Shoulder Monkey said :

    “millions of children are taught to fear and hate non believers”

    I just don’t believe that, the world is more complex then that. It’s one thing to have reservations about atheism but to fear and hate? That’s an exaggeration, and atheists should stop with these characterizations. As for you reading the Qur’an, it’s one thing to read it, another to understand it. Muslims you’ve met are polite and kind because they are acting on the dictates of the Qur’an. I suggest you go back and read it again, but pick up a copy of “The Road to Mecca” before that.

    @Ali

    Sorry but your understanding on the Saudi secular state is shallow and far from complete. External appearance and the internal reality are two very different things. To simply say that they are “bad Muslims” is too omit their serious crimes against Islam. They’ve run out of excuses long ago. I have every right in the world to JUDGE who label themselves “Custodian of the Two Holy Mosques” yet build multimillion dollar palaces with sinks and toilets made out of gold. How “Islamic” is a country which is named after a ruthless murdering bandit who robbed Hajis in the desert, and played a key role in the abolition of the Khilafah for the British at 5000 British pounds a month. Since when did riba become a part of their culture? These questions are not going away.
    The Saudi government have fooled a lot of people, including Muslims included but once you study their history, and the strange Protestant like “Islam” they promote there can be no doubt of their betrayal. The sincere Salafis in Saudi Arabia know this all too well, and many have paid the price for speaking out.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com Garibaldi

    By the way JSB that story about the Rabbi’s is hilarious!

  • http://www.loonwatch.com Garibaldi

    @Garibaldi says, “Ask a Jew (JustStoppingBy) or a Muslim and they will tell you that their own laws, perhaps with the exception of some immutable ones are bound to change and are NOT everlasting.”

    So, I get sucked into this…

    My apologies JSB, LOL. I can’t help the fact that you may be one of our resident experts on Judaism!

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    (getting back to the subject)
    Both Reddit and the “cartoons ” suffer from the same basic problem they are not funny and if they are not funny then they are just hate. Being offencive can be funny but both of these fail at the first hurdle.

    Sir David
    Angers

  • achmedgofyourselfababababa

    It’s funny that the people who write these posts don’t even do the slightest bit of homework on anything they write. quickmeme. com has a meme thats called ordinary muslim man http://www.quickmeme.com/Ordinary-Muslim-Man/, and although it does make fun of terrorism acts committed by muslims it shows that they arent all about blowing people up and screaming Allah abababa! (or at least thats not what they do all the time). On a side note however, that meme they have posted as the picture for this article is all too true and absolutely hilarious

  • Ali

    To DrM

    Saudi Arabia is not secular. They practice cultural values above Islam, their culture hasn’t changed, because they never been colonised, even when under Turkish rule, the Turks generally kept away from this region.

    The Saudi Royal family are not atheists. They believe in God, but are bad Muslims.

    If you think by calling them atheists or secular we can ignore what they promote you are misguided.

    Muslims are responsible for each other. As such, even if they are bad Muslims we cannot just dismiss them by calling them atheists.

    Just because you have been there umpteen times, doesn’t mean you have the right to pass judgement on believers. A degenerate Saudi Royal family are Muslim and should be condemned for what they are, (bad Muslims and bad rulers who abuse Islam for political purposes)

    If you call them atheistic, it gives them a clear path and hints that we should ignore them. Anybody who claims to be a Muslim should be dealt with as a Muslim.

    Muslims should criticise and call to account bad Muslims (rapists, tyrants, murdererers) and not pretend that they are not Muslims. Punishment would not exist for the Muslim if sinning meant you are no longer Muslim.

    Though you did not mean to, indirectly you are covering for tyrannical rulers by saying they are not practicing Islam. Islam can be practiced in many ways, and is not a problem, except where it infringes upon the rights of others.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Believing Atheist says, “Anyway to my point. In Judaism there is a concept of Righteous Gentiles. However, it seems that those who commit idolatry (say some sects in Hinduism), will not be on the right path though via this concept correct?”

    Two Jews, three opinions. The more traditional would say that renunciation of idolatry is necessary, while others take the phrase “the righteous of all nations have a share in the world to come”(Sanhedrin 105a) to indicate that people of any nation, including idolators, can be righteous and on a righteous path. Unsurprisingly, you can pretty much guess what view a rabbi has on this issue from his or her denomination or affiliation.

  • Believing Atheist

    Dang it’s like everyone is suckering everyone else into this conversation.

    @JSB,

    You had to bring that up again didn’t you ;) ? It brings back bad memories, which were instigated by a misunderstanding from this community of what I was trying to convey.

    Anyway to my point. In Judaism there is a concept of Righteous Gentiles. However, it seems that those who commit idolatry (say some sects in Hinduism), will not be on the right path though via this concept correct? I say this because this is what is required of these gentiles (from Wiki):

    To abstain from idolatrous practices (detailed in Deut 29:09-30:20).
    To uphold all the 613 commandments in rabbinical enumeration, except for the prohibition against eating kosher animals that died by means other than ritual slaughter, or possibly[1] (Meiri) any prohibition not involving kareth.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Righteous_gentiles

    @Steve,

    I don’t believe that is a one hundred percent solid argument. The theist can simply argue that God commits only meaningful acts not meaningless acts. For instance, God cannot make a square-circle because it is meaningless and cannot exist within the realm of possibility. In other words since logical contradictions are not meaningful God does not have to undertake them.

    Read a great article about it here: http://voices.yahoo.com/is-god-omniscient-omnipotent-resolving-paradox-877649.html?cat=9

    I am quoting from this article now: In this light, God can be said to be omnipotent where omnipotent is understood to mean: capable of performing any action which is meaningful to talk about.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Garibaldi says, “Ask a Jew (JustStoppingBy) or a Muslim and they will tell you that their own laws, perhaps with the exception of some immutable ones are bound to change and are NOT everlasting.”

    So, I get sucked into this…

    Here is one Jewish view: God could have given laws that covered everything, perhaps by some form of ongoing revelation. But, if the laws are that precise, then one need not think about their meaning and can follow them blindly. By setting out some key immutable laws and guidelines, we are pushed in a certain direction and pushed to think about the “why” behind the laws.

    The counter-response is that perhaps we would go off on the wrong path. In fact, given the diversity of views in both Judaism and Islam, isn’t it fair to say that either everyone or at least all but one school of thought must be on the wrong path? That seems to be a mathematical truth. But, perhaps the actual path does not matter as much for some of the ritualistic laws, though we should agree on the moral ones such as “Do not murder.”

    And, at least in Judaism, going off on the wrong path in some areas may be fine as long as the path taken is still a moral one and you are doing so in a thoughtful manner. See my prior comment retelling a famous story; if you’re Jewish, you’ll probably laugh in approval; I don’t know what the atheists and Muslims and others will do: http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/02/gov-rick-perrys-friend-bryan-fischer-doubles-down-demands-muslim-immigrants-convert-to-christianity/#comment-144951

  • Ilisha

    @Steve

    According to that logic, why do we even need law at all? Why don’t we just know from birth exactly how we should behave in all circumstances? In fact, why not just make the world perfect in every way, so there’s no need for law at all? We could generate an endless series of similar questions.

    You’re raising broad philosophy of religion questions, which is fine, but it’s beyond the range of what I want to discuss here. I’ll just agree to disagree and leave it at that.

  • Steve

    That’s the point, an omnipotent god could create an elegant, immutable set of laws perfectly understandable and applicable for all time by that god’s creation. An omniscient, omnipotent god can do anything and do it with perfect knowledge and foresight. That would be a cool god, no god yet has measured up to that.

    I do like the fact that a god can’t be both omniscient and omnipotent at the same time because an omniscient god can’t change its mind and thus can’t be omnipotent.

  • Garibaldi

    Steve says,
    Secular laws tend to evolve over time but should a supposedly ever lasting law believed to be passed down a by a god do the same and should it be written in such a way as to provide multiple possible interpretations?

    This is why I generally feel any theologically tinted discussion with some atheists is bound to go no where, because many atheists don’t have much of an understanding about a subject that they could care less about, theology, religion, etc.

    Ask a Jew (JustStoppingBy) or a Muslim and they will tell you that their own laws, perhaps with the exception of some immutable ones are bound to change and are NOT everlasting.

    Look at the Supreme Court, it is occupied by people who have various interpretive methodologies. Justice Scalia for instance from what I understand is an originalist, and believes that the law should be interpreted as the Founding Fathers would have wanted it to be way back in 1776.

  • Ilisha

    @Steve

    Of course God can make a perfect set of laws, no matter how enormous the task seems to us. However, who is He going to give it to in the end?

    To us, right? So He has to give us something we can manage and apply. A billion volume perfect legal collection filled with concepts beyond our comprehension would be useless.

  • Steve

    I am not asking for anybodies approval, we are having a theological debate, they are interesting when conducted appropriately as I feel we are doing.

    However you are arguing that a god who you believe is capable of creating everything in the universe is not capable of laying down an elegant set of timeless laws which can’t be interpreted in myriad ways. An omnipotent god can do anything, do you not believe your god to be omnipotent?

    “How many volumes would we have when this process was finished”

    Was your god pressed for time?

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