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The Nuclear Card

What might cause another 9/11?

Posted on 13 June 2012 by Danios

(cross-posted from Salon)

By Glenn Greenwald

It is supporters of Obama’s aggression, not its opponents, who are likely to provoke another Terrorist attack

(updated below [Wed.] – Update II [Wed.])

Today’s defense of President Obama from Andrew Sullivan isdevoted to refuting Conor Friedersdorf’s criticism of Obama’s drone program. Says Sullivan:

What frustrates me about Conor’s position – and Greenwald’s as well – is that it kind of assumes 9/11 didn’t happen or couldn’t happen again, and dismisses far too glibly the president’s actual responsibility as commander-in-chief to counter these acts of mass terror.

This is exactly backward. I absolutely believe that another 9/11 is possible. And the reason I believe it’s so possible is that people like Andrew Sullivan — and George Packer — have spent the last decade publicly cheering for American violence brought to the Muslim world, and they continue to do so (now more than ever under Obama). Far from believing that another 9/11 can’t happen, I’m amazed that it hasn’t already, and am quite confident that at some point it will. How could any rational person expect their government to spend a full decade (and counting) invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting huge numbers of innocent children, women and men in multiple countries and not have its victims and their compatriots be increasingly eager to return the violence?

Just consider what one single, isolated attack on American soil more than a decade ago did to Sullivan, Packer and company: the desire for violence which that one attack 11 years ago unleashed is seemingly boundless by time or intensity. Given the ongoing American quest for violence from that one-day attack, just imagine the impact which continuous attacks over the course of a full decade must have on those whom we’ve been invading, droning, cluster-bombing, occupying, detaining without charges, and indiscriminately shooting.

One of the many reasons I oppose Obama’s ongoing aggression is precisely that I believe the policies Sullivan and Packer cheer will cause another 9/11 (the other reasons include the lawlessness of it, the imperial mindset driving it, the large-scale civilian deaths it causes, the extreme and unaccountable secrecy with which it’s done, the erosion of civil liberties that inevitably accompanies it, the patently criminal applications of these weapons, the precedent it sets, etc.). I realize that screaming “9/11″ has been the trite tactic of choice for those seeking to justify the U.S. Government’s militarism over the last decade, but invoking that event strongly militates against the policies it’s invoked to justify, precisely because those policies are the principal cause of such attacks, for obvious reasons.

In fact, one need not “imagine” anything. One can simply look at the explanations given by virtually every captured individual accused of attempting serious Terrorist attacks on U.S. soil. The Times Square bomber, the Pakistani-American Faisal Shahzad, said this:

As soon as he was taken into custody May 3 at John F. Kennedy International Airport, onboard a flight to Dubai, the Pakistani-born Shahzad told agents that he was motivated by opposition to U.S. policy in the Muslim world, officials said.

“One of the first things he said was, ‘How would you feel if people attacked the United States? You are attacking a sovereign Pakistan’,” said one law enforcement official, who spoke on condition of anonymity because the interrogation reports are not public. “In the first two hours, he was talking about his desire to strike a blow against the United States for the cause.”

When the federal judge who sentenced Shahzad asked with disgust how he could try to detonate bombs knowing that innocent children would die, he replied: “Well, the drone hits in Afghanistan and Iraq, they don’t see children, they don’t see anybody. They kill women, children, they kill everybody.” Those statements are consistent with a decade’s worth of emails and other private communications from Shahzad, as he railed with increasing fury against the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, drone attacks in Pakistan, Israeli violence against Palestinians and Muslims generally, Guantanamo and torture, and asked: “Can you tell me a way to save the oppressed? And a way to fight back when rockets are fired at us and Muslim blood flows?”

Najibullah Zazi, one of the first Afghans ever to be accused of Terrorism on U.S. soil when he plotted to detonate bombs in the New York subway system, was radicalized by the U.S. occupation of his country (“This is the payback for the atrocities that you do,”he said). Al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula (AQAP) expressly said that the Christmas Day bomb attempt by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was in retaliation for the Obama cluster-bomb airstrike in Yemen that killed dozens of women and children along with U.S. support for the Yemeni dictator. The Fort Hood shooter Nidal Hasan was motivated by “the killing of Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan.”

Anwar Awlaki was once such a moderate that he vehemently denounced the 9/11 attacks, got invited to the Pentagon to speak, and hosted a column in The Washington Post on Islam — but then became radicalized by the constant post-9/11 killing of Muslims by his country (the U.S.). David Rodhe, the former New York Times reporter who was held hostage by the Taliban for nine months, said after he was released that Taliban “commanders fixated on the deaths of Afghan, Iraqi and Palestinian civilians in military airstrikes, as well as the American detention of Muslim prisoners who had been held for years without being charged.”

Even The Washington Post just two weeks ago pointed out that the primary source of strength for AQAP — the Terror group which the U.S. Government insists is the greatest threat to the U.S. — are repeated U.S. drone strikes in Yemen; said The Post: “An escalating campaign of U.S. drone strikes is stirring increasing sympathy for al-Qaeda-linked militants and driving tribesmen to join a network linked to terrorist plots against the United States.” In late 2009 — almost three years ago – The New York Times pointed out exactly the same thing when quoting a Yemeni official after Obama’s civilian-killing cluster bomb attack (“The problem is that the involvement of the United States creates sympathy for Al Qaeda“). Even Sullivan acknowledges: “there does seem a danger, especially in Yemen, that drones may be focusing the Islamists’ attention away from their own government and onto ours.”

In other words, the very policies that Sullivan and Packer adore are exactly the ones that make another 9/11 so likely. Running around screaming “9/11″ at Obama critics to justify his ongoing American violence in the Muslim world is like running around screaming “lung cancer” to justify heavy cigarette smoking. It isn’t those of us who oppose American aggression in the Muslim world who need manipulative, exploitative reminders about 9/11; it’s those who cheer for these policies who are making a follow-up attack ever more likely.

Prior to 9/11, of course, the U.S. spent decades propping up dictators in that part of that world, overthrowing their democratically elected leaders, imposing devastating sanctions that killed hundreds of thousands of Muslim children — literally — and then blithely justifying it like it was the most insignificant problem in the world, arming, funding and diplomatically protecting continuous Israeli aggression, and otherwise interfering in and dominating their countries. There’s a reason they decided to attack the U.S. as opposed to, say, Peru, or South Africa, or Finland, or Brazil, or Japan, or Portugal, or China. It isn’t because The Terrorists put the names of all the countries into a hat and — bad luck for us — randomly picked out the piece of paper that said “The United States.”

It’s because the U.S. has been and continues to be guided by the imperial mindset that causes Andrew Sullivan, George Packer and people like them to cheer and cheer and cheer for U.S. violence and other forms of coercion in that part of the world — violence and coercion that they would be the first to denounce and demand war in response to if it were done to the U.S. rather than by the U.S. Indeed, that’s precisely how they reacted — and, a full decade later, are still reacting — to a one-time attack on U.S. soil.

In light of that, I can’t even conceive of the uncontrolled rage, righteous fury and insatiable desire for violence in which they would be drowning if those attacks lasted not a single day but a full decade, if it involved constant video imagery on American television of dead American children and charred American wedding parties and thousands of Americans imprisoned for years in cages in a distant ocean prison without charges and surveillance and weaponized drones flying constantly over American soil and unignited cluster bombs left on American soil that explode when American children find them.

Although I can’t conceive of the rage that would be produced in people like Sullivan and Packer from a decade’s worth of that kind of violence on American soil, they should spend some time trying to imagine it. Then perhaps they’d understand how much they — and the President whose foreign policy they venerate — are doing to bring about “another 9/11″ with the non-stop violence they so enthusiastically endorse.

* * * * *

For those who don’t understand or who like purposely to ignore the difference between observations about causation (A causes B) and arguments about justification (B is justified) — where “B” is “violent attacks on civilians” — see here. To be clear, this analysis is an example of the former (a causal argument), not the latter (an argument about justification).

On a related note: a Democratic Party club recently created a website to tout all of President Obama’s sterling achievements. As Charles Davis and Reason both note, half of those “achievements” are corpses that he created. This, ladies and gentlemen, is your Democratic Party in the Era of Obama:

I have no idea who my President keeps killing — never heard of almost any of them — but I’m going to blissfully assume that they’re TERRORISTS and thus stand and cheer when their lives are ended.

Why do they hate us?

 

UPDATE [Wed.]: My Salon colleague Jefferson Morley has an excellent article documenting the mass political instability that Obama’s militarism in that part of the world is breeding; it’s well worth reading.

 

UPDATE II [Wed.]: A new poll from the Pew Research Center finds that “The Obama administration’s increasing use of unmanned drone strikes to kill terror suspects is widely opposed around the world“; in particular: “in 17 out of 21 countries surveyed, more than half of the people disapproved of U.S. drone attacks.” Caring about world opinion is so 2004.

  • Halal Pork

    @ ALMS:JESUS never told the Christians to KEEP TURNING THE OTHER CHEEK.So get this in your little head,if you muslims try again,the cosequences are going to be dire for you.Don’t ever forget what happened at Hiroshima and Nagasaki?You have to crush the head of the SNAKE called Islam completely for self preservation.

  • Alms

    So, this is the ‘fascifism’ and the ‘high morality’ of the Christians: you continuously terrorize a community and when some very few members of the community became quite enraged and lost balance to strike back in kind (against the laid down norms of the community, just as the same could be done in all other communities) you cried: “NUKE their holy cities” or “NUKE the whole countries of the attackers” or even “NUKE them all”! Now I see! So this is the meaning of “turn the other cheek” and the meaning of “love (whom you took to be) your enemies” – so it is all ironic! Or is it all in preparation of the ‘bloody and gory’ second coming of your Lord (to use the words of the GotQuestions.org ) when HE WILL DESTROY ALL OTHER COMMUNITIES OF THE WORLD for the christians? Please, lets be reasonable, lets learn to respect our being sensible humans, lets learn to tolerate one another, lets learn to objectively confront any evil together so that we can live peacefully together.

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    @HWSHY
    “It is the people who provoke another terorist attack who are “likely to provoke another Terrorist attack”! No one should have to think ANY further. Otherwise you are living at gunpoint.

    By not looking at all the dynamics in this equation – by not equating guilt to these violent actions – you are the one who is insular. And, in the end, prejudiced, by not fully thinking thru the dynamic that the average citizen in a muslim country has to live thru, let alone the non-muslims. By being insular and not considering what is behind people who easily throw bombs as a form of protest, you choose to allow the peoples of those countries to continue in the state of mind that contributes to the injustices inherent within that country.”

    You are correct but you yourself do not go far enough at looking at dynamics , every drone attack that kills a child creates a so called terrorist who wants revenge , every american solder who looses that plot and kills innocent villagers creats an army of people who want revenge , ever country invaded and is subject to shock and awe creats a people who want revenge . Why dont you see this ?

    “Perhaps the biggest error of all, revealing the greatest lack of understanding and the greatest insularity on your part, is to not realise that these acts of terror are not fundamentally based on vengeance, but on conquest”
    Correct but the conquest by who of whom?
    Iraq Afganistan what next ? Iran ?
    and all for OIL.
    Is all the oil in the world worth the life of one child ?
    I say no and you say …………………

    I am not a muslim so could one of the other contributors quote for @hswhy the bit in the Quran about killing one person being the same as killing everyone .
    Thanks
    David Angers

  • Just Stopping By

    @HWSHY says, “I don’t know if it will ever be appreciated: the contribution of the sentiments expressed on this website and in the global media to the terrorists actions, emboldening and justifying them in further actions on an almost continual basis.”

    Thanks for the laugh.

    If you look around this website, you will find it very much against terrorism. Here’s a start: the article ranked highest in the “Popular” tab points out that most terrorists are not Muslim. Why would the site publish that, and why would it be so popular, unless people here view terrorism as a bad thing that they do not want associated with Muslims?

    Does this website tend to have geopolitical views that you presumably don’t agree with? Yes. Does that mean that it encourages terrorist actions on an almost continual basis (or even on any basis at all)? No.

    “Perhaps the biggest error of all, revealing the greatest lack of understanding and the greatest insularity on your part, is to not realise that these acts of terror are not fundamentally based on vengeance, but on conquest. ‘Islam’ – to be submitted.”

    Insularity? Even if you don’t agree with Glenn Greenwald or with this website, it’s hard to see how you claim that they are insular, as opposed to just having a different view than you do. I think that I have seen people make arguments on both sides of this issue. And after listening to them, I just find that the arguments that violence all around is generally motivated by perceived “needs” for vengeance (and then justified by religion) tend to be better explanations than that some religion or religious doctrine is the underlying cause we should look at to explain acts of war or terror.

  • Géji

    Mr @Deccal, by the way, enjoy that last part, I’ve let my little niece “go-off” on you! lol.

  • Géji

    deccal Says: “You should hope not. The next time an event of that scale happens the American people will turn Mecca and Medina into towering heaps of glass and ash.”

    Lol, seriously. Oh Ya-Allah! can You tell-us whats Your deal allowing the primitive-Islamophobes quest for blood? I thought You reserved that privilege Only for us Moslems! But, perhaps is’t that because finally at last You’re allowing Islam to wake something-up in their long-been-dead-brain thus turning them Moslems? hence the obsession with Mecca and Medina !?. If yes so, I’ll say, alhamdulilaaa!

    Mr @deccal, boyo, since when did we grow the half of cheese-bull that allowed-us to throw empty threats to 1.5 billion people? … you know … the propriétaire (google-it!) of the places you mentioned? Darn! and me who thought issuing threats was reserve only for us Moslems! Also, how will you be permit able to build “tower” of “glass and ash” when you aren’t even permit to set a-tip of a single-toe (let alone a whole-foot) into Mecca and Medina … without yourself first “turning” into a towering Mooslem ? isn’t that the-Mecca-Medina-way Stupid!?

    ———

    But anyway, regarding your feverish rant – The next time an event of that scale happens – blabla-ish, check this out. — Lets say if an attack on US soil happens, how will that be any different than America’s currently raining bombs/drones on 5 countries? Are you dare suggesting that there can be NO slight of possibility that an Iraqi or Afghan or Pakistani or Yemeni or Somali, may be possibly so piss-off for all the destruction America’s terrorism brought on THEIR soils to take retaliation on US soil? you know… kind of the same way they themselves experience day after day at the hands of your US “soldiers”? and what would that have to do with Mecca and Medina anyway? its not like America’s terrorism targets either Meccans or Medinans, but for America’s terrorism has/does targets continuously years after years Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistanis, Yemenis, Somalians, how is’t that possible for you to be numbly stupid as to think that those your country constantly bullies (in the OWN land) and are at “war” with wont even retaliate the same way or as you say- “scale”?

    So, if that ever happens (which no-one wishes for you you know, not the same way your genocidal manners permits for the entire global Muslim community anyway)- if that happens my friend, it wouldn’t be perhaps Mecca or Medina retaliating. But, the possibility may come from a so-piss-off-from-all-the-destruction Iraqi, Afghan, Pakistani, Yemeni, who is even while on his/her own soil, suffers at the foreign hands of your terrorist leaders, destroying everything ever dear to him, or her, under the brand your country launched some 11 years ago, that should be known to you as – The-Wars-OF-Terror (100%-pure-made-in-the-U$A!) –

    Now duccal, I’ll suggest you be proud of all the lives your country’s destroys/ed since its conception, and with blood-dripping hands, CLAP-CHANT – U$A-U$A-U$A ……

    And if you ever wake-up to that your country has done to humanity (which I believe you yourself are part of the victims) and you get the urge to point the finger at someone, begin with your terrorist leaders, NOT their victims!

    —–

    > “the American people will turn to Mecca and Medina”

    Alhamdulillah, Allahluia then!! since me being an “Islamic supremacist” as your-Savior Spencer calls me and all, I can only be more than clad when the American people finally converts.. or should I say “revert”, so that they’ll join us Moslems turning to Mecca and Medina for our 5 daily Salahs, and also for the impressive and world largest gathering taking place each year for Hajj. – So Praise be to Allah, I can wait!

    And BTW, what you think? that 1.5 billion Muslims will sleeping around when for the first time in history before for you to even got reach Mecca and Medina? How do think you’ll be able to get into Mecca and Medina WHEN non-Muslims NEVER EVER even set their foot in?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Deccal and @Halal Pork

    Did either of you even attempt to refute Glenn Greenwald and provide some actual evidence from objective sources countering his claims? Or on the other hand did you two just come here and decide to mouth off because you’re angry that you can’t get us to agree with your bigoted views?

  • @HWSHY

    It is the people who provoke another terorist attack who are “likely to provoke another Terrorist attack”! No one should have to think ANY further. Otherwise you are living at gunpoint.

    By not looking at all the dynamics in this equation – by not equating guilt to these violent actions – you are the one who is insular. And, in the end, prejudiced, by not fully thinking thru the dynamic that the average citizen in a muslim country has to live thru, let alone the non-muslims. By being insular and not considering what is behind people who easily throw bombs as a form of protest, you choose to allow the peoples of those countries to continue in the state of mind that contributes to the injustices inherent within that country.

    Become a muslim. Go and live there. Become a woman, a child, looking at their world, their role models, their models of truth, their models of conscience, of justice, of excellence, of freedom.

    My words seem so close to prejudice, but they are not taking any opportunity away from anybody. I am looking at their situation in a balanced way to find why their actions.

    You say this is prejudice – thats fine you can close your eyes and continue in your lovely little world.

    I don’t know if it will ever be appreciated: the contribution of the sentiments expressed on this website and in the global media to the terrorists actions, emboldening and justifying them in further actions on an almost continual basis. This is what really sickens, and is something for which you should be mortally fearful. Blood quite likely is on your hands.

    Perhaps the biggest error of all, revealing the greatest lack of understanding and the greatest insularity on your part, is to not realise that these acts of terror are not fundamentally based on vengeance, but on conquest. “Islam” – to be submitted.

  • Daniel

    Halal Pork, so what if the US was nuked? Would we meekly say “Oh, I guess you guys won. We won’t bother you any more!”?

    Of course not. So why on earth can you think that bombing the two holiest sites for 1.5 billion Muslims would result in them saying “Oh, I guess you guys won. We give up!”?

    Such reasoning is not only hideously immoral, but also unimaginably stupid.

  • Halal Pork

    If the Muslims attack like 9/11 again,then America should NUKE the countries whose national are found to be Involved.That is the only language the Muslims understand.There would never ever be attempt made again.

  • IslamIsStrength

    Great Article, Mr. Glenn Greenwald. I wish there were more of committed and bold writers like you who would not be afraid calling a spade a spade.

  • Nur Alia

    deccal.

    Honestly, do people like you ever think before they let thier ideology make a fool of them?

    You know that ONLY FEAR can make a person protest and act against his own best interests to appease a ‘savior’, rather than becoming what they need to be to overcome thier fear.

    To want to destrory Mekah and Medina with nuclear weapons has world wide enviornmental consequenses on a very large scale, that for thousands of years, the earth will not recover from.

    You do realise, that your oil product comes form that area, and to make it uninhabitable also makes oil exploitation from that region impossible. I think you should understand just ONE exmaple of the harm you will be doing to your own self…economiclly…by using nuclear weapons in that region.

    Sometimes, you will understand…as your nation hopefully does…after you react foolishly and fearfully, rathern than rationally and logiclly, that you answering every call to war with guns and bombs has placed your nation is a posistion it will ever be in…and will never fully recover…a state of perpetural war, and fear that gradually, you will give up the hard fought rights and freedoms you once posessed, to be safe in ‘the savior’s hands’

    You cant give up your freedom to be safe. It is impossible to have both.

  • deccal

    You should hope not. The next time an event of that scale happens the American people will turn Mecca and Medina into towering heaps of glass and ash.

  • Shabbir5152

    To avenge one 911 in NYC, how many 911s has US created continuoulsy in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Yemen?

  • Informer

    Did you know the NAVI in the Hollywood movie “Avatar” symbolize the IRAQI resistance? Also, the NAVI resemble the NATIVE PEOPLE of North America (the Original Americans) that European “settlers” (invaders) slaughtered and TOOK OVER. In the movie the NAVI collectively WIN against the Europeans, but (sadly) in REALITY the Europeans won against the Natives. Many people don’t know that “Canada” is actually KANNADA, a Native Indian word! IT is NOT english. There’s even a language called KANNADA in India!

    Probably, james camerson feels GUILTY for what his people did and made a movie about the NATIVES depicting them as the VICTORS.

  • Somayya

    An article vch is written exactly As Muslims around the world see this subject.
    .
    “I have no idea who my President keeps killing — never heard of almost any of them — but I’m going to blissfully assume that they’re TERRORISTS and thus stand and cheer when their lives are ended.”
    .
    These are the words that am sure is a view of majority in US and NATO countries … And it shows that not only the government but the civilians are also part of this “BRUTALITY” bcz someone who supports brutality without investigating or trying to know the reason behind is also of those who put their hands in it …
    By: A Pakistani Muslimah (a country which suffered The Most in This LAME war Against Terrorism)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Danios,

    Excellent article. Glenn Greenwald did an excellent job writing it.

    I would also recommend the book “A World Without Islam” by Graham E Fuller that I mentioned in my interview. It backs up what Glenn Greenwald says here.

    A World Without Islam
    http://www.amazon.com/World-Without-Islam-Graham-Fuller/dp/0316041203/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1339686648&sr=8-1

  • Ahmed

    Logging on each and every day to see what Danios and Greenwald have written has become as much part and parcel of my life as reading my 5 daily prayers. The thing I like about both these authors is that they often touch subjects which are considered taboo, and they argue their case using facts and logic.

  • Omar

    It’s such a shame that the US does not value the lives of others as much as it values the lives of its citizens. I always grew up on the notion that the USA was a role model to all the countries of the world. As much as I love some citizens in US (not including the Christian-Zionist Evangelists, anti-Muslims, Zionists), I cannot agree with the actions of the US government, it goes against what is right and human, even if it is for the sake of the US, it goes against the sake of the human race.

    The thought that some lives are more expendable than others goes completely against the democratic values that the US encourages, its such a shame we cannot unite for the sake of good.

  • Steve

    I think we can all agree that the NATO intervention in Afghanistan is a complete waste of lives, money and time. The sooner all troops are removed the better, let Afghanistan get on with its own internal policies, as distasteful as they are they are none of our business.

  • Alms

    Now everyone could understand the actual MOTIVATING FACTOR for 11/9 attaks: America’s military support for Israel against Palestinians and American military actions against Muslims on thier own lands which made many Muslims considered America as Muslims’ sworn enemy. This was the sole cause for the 11/9 attack as actually voiced by the perpetrators of the attack themselves. We could also understand the MOTIVATING FACTOR for all Muslim terrorist attempts/attacks after 11/9: some Muslims’ rage against American killings of thousands of children, women and innocent civilians on Muslim lands in the name of war against terrorism as also actually voiced by the perpetrators themselves. It is evidently only for religious backing that these Muslim terrorists sometimes quote some Qur’anic passages and traditions that are actually ‘descriptive’ (not prescriptive) in thier contexts. While it is wrong for these and any enraged Muslim to take on to terroristic measure, the actual motivating factor is clear. It is this simple fact that many people in the West failed or refused to acknowledge thereby making them not only incriminate but also quite hostile to Islam and the whole of Muslims worldwide. Thus Muslims worldwide are practically witnessing how many in the West impute to the religion they practise and to themselves a label (terrorism) that actually does not belong to them and a hate they do not actually deserve. Is such a western attitude towards Muslims in general likely to ameliorate or to aggrevate Muslim terrorism?

  • Black Infidel

    Was it Muslim or non-Muslims that did 911?

  • Abbey

    A very well written piece… makes one think.

  • Christian-friend

    oh for God’s sake, don’t make those almost-murderers martyrs!

  • mindy1

    He has the most interesting viewpoints.

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