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The Nuclear Card

79 Percent of Muslims say Christianity Should Have Strong Role in Britain

Posted on 14 July 2012 by Emperor

How will Islamophobes explain these figures? Muslims actually want Christianity to have a strong role in Britain? These statistics would be mindboggling to the average Islamophobe (h/t: CriticalDragon):

79 per cent of Muslims say Christianity should have strong role in Britain

by Nick Allen (Telegraph UK)

People were asked to agree or disagree with the statement “Our laws should respect and be influenced by UK religious values”.

The proportion of Muslims who agreed (79 per cent) was higher than for Christians themselves (70 per cent).

The ComRes poll for the BBC appeared to contradict calls by some politicians to remove faith from the public arena.

Hindus (74 per cent) also gave more support than Christians to a strong role in public life for the UK’s traditional, Christian religious values.

The results suggested that people of different religions would rather there is some kind of faith-based framework to life in Britain, even if it is not based on their own religion.

Several years ago the Roman Catholic Archbishop of Westminster, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, warned that Christianity was “all but vanquished” as the guiding principle for Britain’s moral framework.

But, according to the poll, 91 per cent of Muslims agreed that religion “has an important role to play in public life” while 73 per cent of Christians also agreed.

Atheists have recently stepped up their campaign against the role of religion in public life, including using advertisements on the sides of buses.

But the poll suggested that, even with baptisms, church weddings and attendance at Sunday church services declining, people are unwilling for secularism to replace religion completely.

The poll also found that only 54 per cent of Christians and 52 per cent of Muslims agreed that the media reported their religion accurately.

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  • Sarah Brown

    Personally, I’d *disagree* with the statement (as an atheist, of the cultural Christian variety, and secularist.)

  • Hard Core Atheist

    I’m confused by the headline. The question doesn’t mention Christianity.

    This is starting to happen a lot on this site…

  • Géji

    “I’m curious. What do you view as the moral of Christianity, and is it any different than the moral of Islam?…”

    @Just Stopping By

    Salaam JSB, sorry for the delay. What I meant by the “moral of Christianity” are the same moral principals and ethics through God consciousness present in Islam, as well as in most religious traditions out there, that Christianity offers for its adherents. Some adherents to specific tradition believe that those principals and ethics are unique to their own tradition alone, which is not true of course, if we look deeper we can see them present in all religious traditions and are not specific to any.

  • Skeptic

    Bird Says:
    July 14th, 2012 at 6:14 am
    @Skeptic
    Any proof or evidence to provide with your claim? or are you just here to vomit out your skepticism? This isn’t a toilet.

    _

    Oh I don’t know, Perhaps because of these?

    http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2009/10/06/muslim-soccer-team-says-no-gays
    http://www.advocate.com/news/daily-news/2011/12/14/muslim-extremists-threaten-life-lesbian-author

    I could post more but you will definitely find some way to deflect from the real issue of homophobia within the Muslim immigrants of Europe and or other western nations.

    “when in rome do as the romans do”

  • BaktaM

    England in the past was able to set a form of balance between the materialistic and spiritual, as outlined by medieval philosopher Roger Bacon.

    That’s why the overall social development of England varies greatly from continental europe.

  • cl

    Would American Muslims say that about the U.S? I don’t think so, as many Christians here are extreme. Most of the support for Islamophobia come from extreme right wing Christians.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    Mira,

    Could you show us a story about that Israeli poll as well?

  • Mira

    Not surprising, this poll I mean.

    A Muslim person would probably find the divine religions (Abrahamic, Christianity, Judaism) more preferable to other types of government so long as they were not forced to accept Jesus as saviour and god, which he is not.

    As another example the religious clergy in Israel (Rabbis) said that more Israeli Muslims favoured Jewish law, than secular atheist law. They put it to poll once, and most Israelis opposed a theocracy or religious laws governing them. They said it was bizarre that the Muslims should favour Jewish law more than the Jews themselves, who wanted a separation of state and religion, and secular law governing them.

  • Mira

    Senor

    The Church of England is not like the bush version of christianity. the American Chrisitan Right is nothing like the church of England. The senior clergy in the Church of england opposed the wars, and condemned Blair. So did the Catholic Church.

    Evangelicals right wing, (American) church is seen as heritical by most Christian churches.

    Everyone here, please don’t confuse the American christian right with world christianity. The Crusaders of today are the american right wing Christians.

    When Tony Blair went to war, the Catholic and Church of England clergy condemned it. He was rejected and booted out by the British for being a Bush poodle.

    Just Stopping By

    Though pauline Christianity clashes with Islam, certain moral values in Christianity are in sync with Islam as they are with Judaism. I agee with people above who say Judaism is more in sync with Islam, Sharia and Halacha are virtually identical. Nevertheless, the New Testament, does have some good morals that Christians espouse, though they exist in Islam and Judaism too.

    For the record, that most Muslims would support a liberal Church ver atheism isn’t a surprise. They may oppose the American right wing Christianity, but most European churches are liberal, and not hostile to Islam or Judaism for that matter. Unlike the American Right Wing fanatic Christians, they don’t shove their religion onto the state or others.

  • NurAlia

    I am not seeing how the poll question relates to ‘Christianity’ as a ‘religious value’ to someone other than a Christian.

    I think this is a misleading conclusion to the question. If someone asked me the specific question, I would answer yes too, but understanding that, because I am Muslimah, I would relate that question to Islam.

  • Senor

    What Muslim fool wants to see more Christianity in government? Have they not seen what goes on in America?

    George Bush Jr., in leading up to the attacks in Iraq, talked about the Crusades and the clash of civilizations.

    Yes, there are many good Christians out there, but, if you give them more power, there are extremists that may come to the forefront and cause a whole lot of trouble for the average Muslim.

  • Ali

    Geji,

    christianity’s rejection of the Old Testament (Torah/Talmud) means it is incompatioble with Islam. Judaism is much more compatible with islam, and it was the religion of Jesus.

    The Christianity spoken of in Al Quran, is not the religion of Paul of Tsurus, which most Christians follow.

    Despite this, Christians are still Book People, but Christianity has nothing that Judaism doesn’t. Certainly nothing that Islam has.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Géji says, “I truly believe in the moral of Christianity…”

    I’m curious. What do you view as the moral of Christianity, and is it any different than the moral of Islam?

    Thanks.

  • Bird

    @Skeptic
    Any proof or evidence to provide with your claim? or are you just here to vomit out your skepticism? This isn’t a toilet.

  • Just Stopping By

    The headline (from the Telegraph, not written by Loonwatch) is quite misleading.

    Headline: “79 Percent of Muslims say Christianity Should Have Strong Role in Britain”

    Article: “People were asked to agree or disagree with the statement “Our laws should respect and be influenced by UK religious values”. The proportion of Muslims who agreed (79 per cent) …”

    So, “UK religious values” equals Christianity? Couldn’t Muslims (and others) have interpreted “UK religious values” to mean values of all religious groups in the UK? Or perhaps to mean the generally shared values of religions, such as caring for the sick and poor?

    I do think Islamophobes would be disappointed with the results of a reliable poll of Muslim views of other religions, but this just isn’t such a poll.

  • Géji

    I truly believe in the moral of Christianity, and believe it has lots to offer, but the “trinity” confusion in it has to be deal with.

  • Skeptic

    Nah they support Christianity because of their views on LBGTs/gay marriage.

  • mindy1

    Everyone should work tgether to solve problems

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Emperor

    I’m glad I’m able to repeatedly find things that are of use to you guys. Anything I can do at this point to help the cause of fighting anti Muslim bigotry.

    You wrote,
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    How will Islamophobes explain these figures? Muslims actually want Christianity to have a strong role in Britain? These statistics would be mindboggling to the average Islamophobe
    ————————————————————————–

    unfortunately I think @bboyblue on twitter (the person who first alerted me to this) had the right answer, at in many if not most cases. Most of them will probably just claim it was taqiyya, or if I think if they’re a tiny bit more sophisticated they may claim that ComRes poll was biased somehow. That of course assumes they don’t just ignore it. However, if they are starting to have genuine doubts, or were too skeptical to believe every single Islamophobic claim, this maybe enough to get some of them to realize how wrong they were. Hopefully this will help change some peoples minds for the better.

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