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French Summer Camp Workers Sacked over Ramadan Fast

Posted on 31 July 2012 by Amago

The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town’s actions as “an attack on religious freedom” (AFP, Remy Gabalda)

The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town’s actions as “an attack on religious freedom” (AFP, Remy Gabalda)

(Via IslamophobiaToday.com)

French summer camp workers sacked over Ramadan fast

By Pauline Froissart

PARIS — Tensions between French authorities and the country’s Islamic community resurfaced on Tuesday after it emerged that four summer camp instructors had been sacked for fasting during Ramadan.

In a row that echoed last year’s controversy over a law banning women from wearing full veils on French territory, Muslim leaders denounced a Communist-run town council’s dismissal of the workers on health and safety grounds.

The four had been employed temporarily by the town of Genevilliers in the Paris suburbs to help run a summer holiday sports camp in southwestern France.

They were dismissed on July 20, the first day of Ramadan, after an inspector visited the camp and told them they were endangering children’s safety by not eating or drinking between dawn and dusk.

Although they were fully paid for the week they had remaining on their short-term contracts, the instructors plan to contest their dismissal through labour courts.

The French Council of the Muslim Faith (CFCM) described the town’s actions as “an attack on religious freedom” and said it was considering pressing charges against Genevilliers council for discrimination.

CFCM President Mohammed Moussaoui added: “Hundreds of millions of people fast for Ramadan every year without it having any impact on their professional activities.”

Genevilliers Mayor Jacques Bourgoin defended the decision to remove the four employees from the camp, a stance which won strong backing from the far-right National Front.

“They did not respect the terms of their contract in a way that could have endangered the physical safety of the children they were responsible for,” said a statement issued by the mayor’s office.

“This lack of nourishment and hydration could have resulted in these employees not being in full possession of the means required to ensure that activities at the camp were correctly and safely run, as well as the physical safety of the children in their charge.”

Nicole Varet, an aide to the mayor, said the decision to dismiss the four employees had been influenced by an incident three years ago in which a fasting camp worker had been taken ill while driving, resulting in an accident in which a child was seriously injured.

But the four sacked workers believe the safety argument is a smokescreen for anti-Muslim prejudice.

One of them, who asked to be identified only by his first name, Samir, said their treatment had been “unfair and unacceptable” and that he was glad it had been brought into the public domain.

“We are thinking about going to court to get clear answers to our questions,” he told AFP. “Do people have the right not to eat during the day? Are doctors who observe Ramadan putting their patients’ lives in danger?”

A spokesman for the National Front said the Gennevilliers mayor had made the right decision, adding that: “Those who oppose this wise decision are making a mockery of the principles of safety and secularism.”

The row over the Ramadan sackings erupted as France brushed off US State Department criticism of its ban on veils which fully cover women’s faces, introduced last year by the administration of former president Nicolas Sarkozy.

In its 2011 International Religious Freedom Report, the State Department expressed concern over a “rising number of European countries, including Belgium and France, whose laws restricting dress adversely affected Muslims and others”.

  • jawad

    man this steve character jumps on every single opportunity to criticize muslims whether its deserved or not.
    i cant even imagine living a life like that..constantly browsing the internet and muslim websites so i could argue w/ people about nonsense.

    its so sad.

  • Géji

    @Nia Says: “It’s a well-known fact that alcohol is neurotoxic. Thus, even social drinking decreases maximal performance in theory. So, basically, these kids can’t be looked after by anyone who ever consumed alcohol, and that would mean esp. the French.”

    Excellent point Nia.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    love the quote Nassir
    I cannot look at Lady MacBeths web site cause it makes me feel ill . you are a brave man to read such hate . Its nothing but mind rot

    Sir David
    Angers

  • Nassir H.

    It’s ironic that Islamophobes claim Muslims are oversensitive yet get riled up about the most innocuous things: minarets, halal food, marketing campaigns targeted towards Muslims, soup, hijabs (that one really bothers them), the construction of mosques, and now fasting. I think Geller’s quote of the month really says it all about their (tenuous) grasp of reality.

    “I could not help but notice, over the past few years, the right wing blogosphere’s silence on jihad and Islam….”

  • Nia

    Ok, so I tried to post something that turned out to be too long, so my key pts rephrased (sorry if duplicate post): 1. If the concern is the ability to be properly attentive to children, then all social drinkers should be canned too as alcohol is neurotoxic and in theory, sub-maximal performance is guaranteed if you’ve ever had a drink. So that eliminates all non-muslim French too.
    2. This all is simply dislike and intolerance masked with ‘logic’, which is the reason I made that harsh comment to Steve. I am tired of ppl trying to sell their ethnocentrism as ‘secular intelligence’ cuz I’m not stupid enough to fall for it.

  • Nia

    It’s a well-known fact that alcohol is neurotoxic. Thus, even social drinking decreases maximal performance in theory. So, basically, these kids can’t be looked after by anyone who ever consumed alcohol, and that would mean esp. the French. The reason my comment to Steve was harsh is b/c I’m sick of stupidity and ignorance in this world. I don’t affiliate myself with any religion, but believe in the individual’s right to choose what to believe in and their absolute right to practice their religion no matter how stupid I personally think the practice is. Too many ppl these days are in everyone else’s business, using ‘logic’ and politics to mask their basic dislike and intolerance. At least have the decency to state your ethnocentrism openly cuz I, for one, am really, really sick of being taken for an idiot.

  • Steve

    NurAlia, i have no idea what procedures they go through.

    Do you think it only became apparent these people are muslims when they started to fast?

  • NurAlia

    Steve

    Here are some questions to ask, to see of it was ‘concern for the safety of the campers’, or simply bigotry.

    Did they screen ALL of the camp workers medically, for things like…medications that the worker might take to make him or her drowsy, or impared to drive? Did they screen for seizures and diabetes, from which sudden onset of symptoms while driving have caused deaths and injuries? Did they ask ALL of the workers were they dieting? All of these questions…just examples of something a doctor would screen out people because they have the potential to put the lives of the campers in danger.

    My personal belief is, if all of the above people were screened out, and these remained and only maifested thier fasting during Ramadan…the ‘safety of the campers’ was a legitimate concern. If not, this was a matter of singling these four out for thier religious convictions.

    Steve…the rules are changing…get used to it.

  • Ahmed

    I actually find myself more alert when fasting. I am not saying that some people cannot be less alert, I am sure they are. But I am more alert, as I am feeling more spiritual and am being more diligent in everything that I do.

  • http://danielibnzayd.wordpress.com/ Daniel Ibn Zayd

    Many years ago Vincent Geisser wrote a book called “La nouvelle islamophobie” which spells out very clearly the French bias, especially on the supposedly progressive left, against Islam in France. In any case, the mayor backed down, according to this article in Liberation:

    http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2012/07/31/quatre-moniteurs-de-colonie-de-vacances-suspendus-a-gennevilliers-en-raison-du-ramadan_836690

    And an interview here the point is made that after Ramadan, how likely is it that the mayor will be going around checking to see if people are eating and drinking at lunchtime:

    http://www.liberation.fr/societe/2012/07/31/suspension-des-animateurs-pour-le-ramadan-une-clause-abusive-du-contrat-de-travail_836735

  • Wanderer

    By the way, I am more productive during Ramadaan because I can work through lunch. What leap can I take from that to get me a silver? Aah yes! All counsellors should fast so that they never have to take their eyes off the kids to look at what they have on their sandwiches.

    Congratulations to me.

  • Wanderer

    Right Adanbro. Because fasting hinders YOUR ability to be vigilant, it must apply to all fasting Muslims as well.

    A leap worthy of gold. Congratulations.

  • Abdus Sabur

    In my opinion the French camp used their “stringent rules” to express their dislike for Islam and Muslims.

    What bothers me more is the reaction to Steve’s point of view. Steve simply stated his opinion without malice, sarcasm, etc and some of the responses have been less than polite.

    I encourage all of us, myself included first and foremost, to not squander this opportunity we have by only giving up food, water, etc. during the day and behave in ways that are contradictory to the reason we fast.

    “Allah will not change the condition of a people until they first change themselves”

  • adanbro

    I don’t know why everyone is over-reacting. Sure, muslims must have a right to fast. However, even in Australia, there are strict regulations pertaining to looking after and supervising children.

    I am fasting, and must say that I am less alert than normal. These people looking after children must be vigilant at all times, and sadly, fasting does hinder that capability.

  • tima

    Steve, health an safety?..when one is fasting if the health an safety of anyone is in question, the option would be to break the fast straight away. Why are they taking away that option an choice? Only the healthy fast, so there should be no problem in the first place. One single incident shouldn’t be the lone example to come to such a harsh ruling.

    Many muslims around the world fast an still perform well at their work. In the name of health an safety are they going to tell us exactly what we should eat next? Where do you draw the line? Its about discretion and common sense.

  • DrM

    Stevie blunder’s problem is that he’s a religion hating atheist troll. Whether it’s supporting EDL thugs running around or playing doctor on the internet when it comes to male circumcision, you’ll always find him promoting stupidity and bigotry.
    As for the French, I can’t say I’m surprised. Secular fascism at it’s finest.

  • Steve

    “You can’t just reschedule Ramadan”

    I never said you could, but an individual under certain circumstances can choose to fast at another time – for example:

    http://www.thejakartaglobe.com/londonolympics/malaysian-olympians-can-postpone-ramadan-fast/532380

  • Nia

    Steve, you are an idiot. You can’t just reschedule Ramadan u bigot.

  • Steve

    @JSB, I agree that common sense should be applied but it depends on their contracts. I don’t know what the situation in France is but in the UK the health and safety regulations at such camps are very stringent indeed. To my mind they are far too stringent and much of what I remember being good about such camps wouldn’t now be allowed but those are the rules I am afraid. If the dismissed people can argue their contracts aren’t invalidated by their fasting and any subsequent safety concerned they should be reinstated or compensated, it’s up to them to make that case, if that’s how it works in France.

  • Just Stopping By

    “Absolutely, the people concerned should have realised that by fasting they were endangering the children in their care …”

    Okay, well, what if there were a study showing that traffic accidents decrease during Ramadan? Should we insist that people then fast? In fact, there is such a study: http://www.neurosciencesjournal.org/PDFFiles/Jan06/3Doroad20050875.pdf.

    Now, there can be debate over whether all the factors in that study in Jordan, where the whole society adapts to Ramadan, would apply here. But, the alternative taken here seems to be to base actions on a single incident mentioned in this article. A little common sense in terms of who handles what task seems like a reasonable solution.

  • Steve

    @Amela, the argument isn’t that they couldn’t eat with the kids, it’s that it was considered dangerous to have people fasting in charge of children. There are all manner of regulations regarding the care of children at such camps. It seems they were in breach of their contracts but I am sure they can appeal their dismissal.

  • Amela

    Steve, you make no sense. Do children even care if a counselor eats or not with them? Also, couldn’t the counselors be given other tasks than to eat? I fast at work and am constantly engaged with people who eat around me. I cook for them sometimes, too. They offer food, but I politely decline. Oh, well. This is the U.S. and the people fired were in France. What else is new? Europe always worse for human rights than other places in the West.

  • truth

    Steve am wondering if you re suffering from brain damage. Your arguments has never make a meaning to me for once.

  • Steve

    “why is compromise so hard?”

    Absolutely, the people concerned should have realised that by fasting they were endangering the children in their care and should thus have compromised and fasted at a later date or by feeding a needy person.

  • mindy1

    I went to a Jewish camp, and some of the counselors fasted for holidays. If safety is a concern, make sure that the kids are driven by non fasting staff members(why is compromise so hard?)

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