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The Nuclear Card

GOP Colorado State Senator On Banning Mosques: They’re Not ‘Places Of Worship’

Posted on 07 July 2012 by Emperor

CO State Sens. Grantham (L) and Lundberg

The anti-Muslim right-wing’s dream is to ban Islam. It is quite disturbing how some former and current Conservative politicians are cosying up so easily to such hate:

GOP Colorado State Senator On Banning Mosques: They’re Not ‘Places Of Worship’

by Ali Gharib (ThinkProgress)

Last weekend, the Dutch Islamphobic politician Geert Wilders spoke to a conservative conference hosted by a Christian university in Colorado. The anti-Muslim firebrand served up his usual fare: Islam is not a religion but a “totalitarian ideology,” multiculturalism must be stopped, U.S. courts must end immigration from Muslim countries and mosque construction must be banned.

According to a report on the event in the Colorado Statesman, conservatives at the conference took Wilders’s words to heart, as well as those of fellow anti-Muslim conspiracy theorist Frank Gaffney.

Former Republican State Senate president John Andrews, who heads up an institute at the university that held the event, told the crowd, “After you hear from Frank Gaffney and our friend from across the Atlantic, Geert Wilders, you’ll know why I just say ‘the threat of Islam’” — as opposed to “radical Islam” or “extremism.”

Current Republican State Senator Kevin Grantham took on Wilders’s message that the West “should forbid the construction of new mosques.” Asked about the proposed ban, Grantham told the Statesman he was for considering it:

You know, we’d have to hear more on that, because, as he said, mosques are not churches like we would think of churches. They think of mosques more as a foothold into a society, as a foothold into a community, more in the cultural and in the nationalistic sense. Our churches — we don’t feel that way, they’re places of worship, and mosques are simply not that, and we need to take that into account when approving construction of those.

The notion that Mosques are not “places of worship” is an absurd extension of Wilders’s bigotry. Even Grantham’s fellow Republican State Senate colleague Kevin Lundberg ignored this contention and saw the fatal flaw in this logic: banning mosque construction violates the basic rights of free exercise of religion codified in the Bill of Rights. Lundberg told the Statesman:

I think immediately of ‘Congress shall make no law …’ and that sounds pretty close to that, doesn’t it?

We’re a free society, and there are risks with freedom. In my mind, we need to give every citizen the opportunity to succeed or fail on their merits, and there are limits we have to put in place for certain public safety issues, but I am much more a stronger defender of the First Amendment than I am of immediately restricting people because of a perceived concern.

Lundberg is right. The First Amendment plainly states, “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof.” The rest is just bigotry and antithetical to those values.

  • Hatethehaterz

    @Boob: Reading comprehension isn’t your strong point is it? Crow wrote only about America. Did Tamerlane kill anyone in North America? No? Then his point is quite correct. Muslims in North America have not forced their religion on anyone. Christians do have a history of forcing their beliefs on African and indigenious slaves.

    And btw if you want to talk body counts by adherents of religions, why limit the argument to Tamerlane? Because if we don’t your argument would be as weak as your feeble mind? The crusades (both eastern and northern), the inquisition, the genocide of natives in the Americas and Australia, the Jewish holocaust, Bosnia, Hiroshima, Nagasaki, the ongoing invasions, wars, and drone strikes in Afghanistan and the Mid East; all perpetrated by Judeo-Christian populations. So don’t point your finger at us when it comes to body counts. The bloody finger will always point back to you.

  • bob

    Crow muslim did yhe same in their history just read about the 14 million tamerlane killed

  • Abdul-Rahman

    The neo-Crusading Christofascists at work as Chris Hedges has so accurately noted in the past.

    http://www.amazon.com/American-Fascists-Christian-Right-America/dp/0743284437

  • Pamela

    Some of the right wing fools think the world is flat and the sun shines just for them.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Piolo,

    Speaking of Wilders, it appears that he has about as much understanding as these guys, either that or he thinks that the only way for the US to defend itself against “the evils of Islam” is to violate its own constitution, which wouldn’t surprise me at this point.

    Right-wing Dutch politician urges U.S. lawmakers not to build new mosques
    http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2012/07/08/225176.html?

  • Jeff

    Ugh, this guy is crackers.

    The scariest thing about Muslims to U.S. Christians is that Muslims actually practice their faith.

  • http://ilfdinar.wordpress.com/ ilfdinar

    actually the number of muslims in government in america has decreased

  • Piolo

    If my university invited Geert Wilders to speak at a conference and actually backed his ideas I think I’d start looking for a new university where I could actually learn something.

  • Géji

    > “The Islamophobes in America are trying to prove that Islam is not a religion but an ideology like communism”

    That is of pure nonsense, regardless of their usual rantings and ravings, America’s Islamophobic bigots or any Islamophobic bigot for that manner (past, present or future) knows that its impossible to prove any such nonsense. Unfortunately for them (and they know it!) that ship has been sealed almost 1500 years ago, with the first and famous Islamic message that has come from Allah – Iqra! in the name of thy Lord who Created!. As I’ve said, even the most staunch Islamophobe may rant and rave time to time (out of their usual, uncontrolled bigoted anger) about Islam not being a “religion” but “political ideology” and so on, but even he or she knows that what he/she is spewing is of pure nonsense, that has more to do with their outed anger and has no basis in reality whatsoever.

  • Hatethehaterz

    @ Bru: Good point. So who do you think is next in line? Who will the American sheeple hate next? Those pesky gays? Asians maybe (pretty decently sized immigrant population there)? Ah but those have been done already… Oooh maybe scientology! Ya their scary oooh. Oh wait, they have money, the right wing facsists never go after groups that can actually defend themselves. Hmm so who’s a good candidate for the next hatefest then?

  • Bru

    We’re free to have any political ideology, as long as it conforms to the current political climate.

    Or does nobody remember McCarthyism?

    In the in the 30s and 40s, Nazis were the enemies. The Japanese were enemies. We rounded up Japanese Americans and put them in internment camps. Then WWII passed, and Communism was the enemy. Anyone that openly admitted admiring communism in any form was ostracized by anyone claiming to be a good American.

    We’re just repeating a cycle that went through many iterations during the 20th century. Except now the buzzword is Muslim. 50 years from now, we’ll be slapping each other on the back, making good with our Muslim friends, while at the same time pointing fingers at some other group that we’ve decided needs our hate.

    We need to break the cycle. We need to stop this madness and stupidity. We are all one people. We are all one race. I don’t want my grandchildren having to put up with this same nonsense that I’ve gone through, and the same nonsense my grandparents went through.

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  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    What CriticalDragon said. Even assuming for a moment that Islam were a political ideology and not a religion, so what. You are free to believe and support any political view in America, no matter how unpopular it is. We actually do have an American Communist Party. And a Nazi Party. The KKK and other racist organizations are allowed to assemble, have parades, all that junk. Nobody gets arrested for posting on Stormfront or the like. Same goes for the Black Panthers and La Raza and so forth. So assuming that Islam were a political belief, even a discriminatory one, that’s still not against the law. Which means that once again, the Islamophobes are full of fail.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    Sam Saracen,

    You wrote,
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    The Islamophobes in America are trying to prove that Islam is not a religion but an ideology like communism. Once they get that done, they’ll get Islam & Mosques outlawed.
    ————————————————————————–

    They won’t succeed, even when I was an Islamophobe, I never fell for that. Even so, we can’t just ban any belief system here in America without the law contradicting the first amendment, and that’s including belief systems that aren’t religions. Many of these people seem to forget that when it comes to Islam. I guess because they fear and hate Muslims so much.

  • Sam Saracen

    The Islamophobes in America are trying to prove that Islam is not a religion but an ideology like communism. Once they get that done, they’ll get Islam & Mosques outlawed.

  • mindy1

    I wonder if they even realize how dumb they sound

  • http://www.wmonline.com BuddhaShrink

    I can’t say it any better, Crow, well put!

    The Republican party is taking a step closer to Fascism. Those who would declare the world’s second largest religion, not a religion, are neither, conservative nor Libertarian. They are more akin to Fascism.

    And they have nerve to suggest that Islam has infiltrated our governments? ‘Tis the Islamophobic LOONS who appear to have infiltrated our governments.

  • crow

    Let me say this one more time…Christianity is not native to the US, it was an alien religion forced on the Native Americans by Europeans that enjoyed calling them “primitive ” and “stone age dwellers ” and backwards ” sort of like they do to Muslims today. However I don’t see any Muslims in this country imposing their religion. Its not a surprise to me that right wingers cozy up to hate this easily, just as their ancestors hated the Catholics in this country, just they hated the Jews in this country, just as they hated the African Americans in this country they found someone new to hate the Muslims. Its obvious right wing “christians ” love to hate, no surprise there.

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