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Muslims are well-integrated in Britain – but no one seems to believe it

Posted on 17 July 2012 by Ilisha

British Muslimah

A British Muslimah poses outside Westminster

If Muslims in the UK identify with “Britishness” more than other Britons, what accounts for the perception of “otherness” among their compatriots?

Maybe groups like the English Defence League and Stop the Islamization of Nations are making an impact across British society. Or maybe Reza Aslan right when he said:

Simply put, Islam in the United States has become otherized. It has become a receptacle into which can be tossed all the angst and apprehension people feel about the faltering economy, about the new and unfamiliar political order, about the shifting cultural, racial, and religious landscapes that have fundamentally altered the world. Across Europe and North America, whatever is fearful, whatever is foreign, whatever is alien and unsafe is being tagged with the label ‘Islam.’

Muslims are well-integrated in Britain – but no one seems to believe it

by Leon Moosavi, The Guardian

In Britain today there is a mismatch between how non-Muslims often perceive Muslims and how Muslims typically perceive themselves. This disconnect is down to a tendency by non-Muslims to assume that Muslims struggle with their British identity and divided loyalties. These concerns were challenged a few days ago,in a report by the University of Essex that found Muslims actually identify with Britishness more than any other Britons.

This study is just one of several recent studies that have consistently found that Muslims in Britain express a stronger sense of belonging in Britain than their compatriots. Consider the following examples:

• 83% of Muslims are proud to be a British citizen, compared to 79% of the general public.

• 77% of Muslims strongly identify with Britain while only 50% of the wider population do.

• 86.4% of Muslims feel they belong in Britain, slightly more than the 85.9% of Christians.

• 82% of Muslims want to live in diverse and mixed neighbourhoods compared to 63% of non-Muslim Britons.

• 90% of Pakistanis feel a strong sense of belonging in Britain compared to 84% of white people.

Those who work closely with Muslim communities will attest to the integrated position of British Muslims and that despite frequent exoticisation, British Muslim lives are much the same as any other citizen’s. British Muslims also appreciate their ability to practise their religion in Britain without the type of subjugation that fellow Muslims are subjected to under despotic regimes in several Muslim-majority countries. Even though negative depictions may encourage people to imagine Muslims as similar to the 7/7 bombers who struck seven years ago this week, your average British Muslim is much more likely to be similar to a confident Amir Khan, a bubbly Konnie Huq or a hardworking James Caan.

There is, quite frankly, no major issue of Muslims not wanting to be a part of British society. But there is an issue with the common but unspoken xenophobia pervasive in British society that casts Muslims as outsiders. That is why despite Muslims repeatedly pledging their dedication to Britain, a consistent spattering of polls show that many non-Muslim Britons still view Muslims as a potential enemy within. Consider the following examples:

• 47% of Britons see Muslims as a threat.

• Only 28% of Britons believe Muslims want to integrate into British society.

• 52% of Britons believe that Muslims create problems.

• 45% of Britons admit that they think there are too many Muslims in Britain.

• 55% of Britons would be concerned if a mosque was built in their area.

• 58% of Britons associate Islam with extremism.

The minority of Muslims in Britain who do view Britain with contempt – as indeed, we must recognise there are some – frequently explain their disaffection as a result of being labelled as outsiders and told they do not belong. Thus, the inability to appreciate British Muslims as typical citizens can actually create the very atypical citizens that are feared in the first place. Muslims want to be part of British society but their marginalisation may lead to some retreating to the margins.

If the myth that Muslims in Britain will not integrate is allowed to be propagated, it will only lead to the continuation of a harmful cycle whereby greater distrust and animosity is sown. The results of this can be devastating…

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  • Ilisha

    @Sarah Brown

    Interesting, and I really like the article you linked to in the Guardian. Thank you.

  • Sarah Brown

    @Ilisha – I’m not quite sure, although those are all interesting questions. I think generally many of Scottish or Irish heritage would identify as Scottish or Irish, before identifying as British – and would almost certainly not identify as English. In response to your question about being both Pakistani and English – this is relevant.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/jun/23/english-british-national-identity-ethnic-minorities

    A comment (which was deleted, but it quoted by others) says that Sunny Hundal can never be English because the terms English, Scottish and Welsh are ‘racial and tribal classifications’. I think those connotations *are* there in the words and how they are used – but at the same time I absolutely think people of any heritage should be able to identify as English (or whatever).

    I would have said ethnic consciousness was becoming less, rather than more, of a problem.

  • Ilisha

    @Sarah Brown

    I thought you were kidding, but it’s notoriously difficult to tell sometimes in writing.

    The American identity isn’t parsed this way. How do people of Irish or Scottish heritage living in London, for example, generally think of themselves? If I’m Pakistani, can I ever be English, or am I always Asian? We, by the way, don’t call Muslims “Asian” as a general rule.

    In a video, I saw an English woman on a bus tell a woman she wasn’t English (or was that British?), shouting, “you’re black!” Are they really mutually exclusive?

    I find this whole notion curious, and I want to know if it is rising ethnic consciousness, or has it always been this way?

  • Sarah Brown

    @Ilisha – yes, I was kidding!

    I’m not quite sure what you mean when you ask me whether something is a growing trend. BNP support seems to have collapsed and my sense (from following eg the Hope not Hate blog) is that EDL support is also on the wane.

  • Ilisha

    @Sarah Brown

    Is this a growing trend? It seems like I used to hear about the British National Party and now I hear about the English Defence League, for example.

  • Ilisha

    @Sarah Brown

    Are you kidding about the post office? The USPS is an independent agency in the US, not directly funded by taxpayers.

    In any case, Sheila Musaji has already tackled the “very, very scary” post office jihad:

    http://theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/robert-spencer-discovers-post-office-jihad/0019255

  • Solid Snake.

    @skeptic
    Hahaaaa boy that’s a real knee slapper!

  • Hard Core Atheist

    This is a serious question, which I and others asked in the orginial article where “79 percent of Muslims say Christianity should have a strong role in Britain”

    The orginial question is “Our laws should respect and be influenced by UK religious values”.

    No where does it mention Christianity. How does one jump to the comclusion that muslims then believe that Christianity (which wasn’t mentioned in the question) should have a strong role in Britian? Please someone feel free to tell me I’m crazy and don’t understand how polling works. I understand the history of Christianity in Britian, but who’s to say how anyone interprets “religious values”? Considering a huge percentage of Britons are atheist/agnostic/non-religous, it’s not surprising really that less “Christian” britons believe “religious values” should have a strong role in British society.

  • Hard Core Atheist

    I’m sorry DrM, I’m not trying to treat AC as a celebrity, but the worst of the “white christian britons” simply identify him with Islam, and as I noted in my post, I absolutely believe this to be wrong, and once more, when more people (i.e. the christian britons) start to realize this, the better is will be for everyone.

    Noe sure why you feel the need to call be a buffon for noting this and because I’m atheist.

  • JD

    guess you weren’t here when we post this ..

    79 per cent of Muslims say Christianity should have strong role in Britain

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/07/79-percent-of-muslims-say-christianity-should-have-strong-role-in-britain/

    wait let me guess this is Taqiyyah‎

  • Sarah Brown

    @neocon – I think there *are* some unwelcome statistics, although perhaps if the sites which like to flag those also flagged news like this survey, Loonwatch might feel more inclined to return the favour.

    Also – I assume the concept of Sharia will be interpreted differently by different Muslims. It is somewhat nebulous and I’m pretty sure I’ve read some Muslims assert that UK law is already essentially Sharia-compliant.

    Some surveys have been twisted appallingly

    http://tabloid-watch.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/mailonline-changes-inaccurate-headline.html

    Personally, I support One Law for All – it is organised by someone Robert Spencer can’t stand, which is cheering. (Incidentally – I am shocked, SHOCKED, to discover that there is a Post Office operating out of a US Islamic centre – there could scarcely be a clearer case of creeping Sharia.)

  • Skeptic

    Of course they will strongly identify with “Britishness”.

    After all in a few decades, they will be the ones who will determine what “Britishness” given their current birthrates lol!

  • DrM

    ProphetofBuffoonery said

    “What is Europe’s failure compared to…oh, say the countries immigrants emigrated from?”

    You mean those countries the Europeans colonized and reduced to third world status and continues to exploit to this day. The real comedy is the Europe is the architect of its own destruction but wants to distract it’s unemployed and impoverished masses with the myth of a black and brown takeover.
    Either way, good riddance to bad rubbish.

  • Neocon

    Good work on the selective statistics. Why don’t you publish all the horrible ones too. Like how the majority of Muslims want it to be illegal to insult Islam. Or how 28% want Britain to be an Islamic state, and the 40% that want Sharia law. Some objectivity might be nice from the self-appointed ‘rational’ people.

  • ProphetofTolerance

    On the flip side, I am firmly convinced that Europeans on the whole have no interest in “integration” but using minorities as punching bags for their own failures.

    The comedy writes itself.

    What is Europe’s failure compared to…oh, say the countries immigrants emigrated from?

  • ProphetofTolerance

    Read the comments in the article. I believe several seem to have thoroughly refuted much of the author’s main points.

  • DrM

    @hard core atheist,

    Perhaps if atheist extremists and buffoons like you and Pat Condell stopped treating Andy Choudhary like a celebrity and the leader of England’s Muslims, you might get it. On the flip side, I am firmly convinced that Europeans on the whole have no interest in “integration” but using minorities as punching bags for their own failures.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @ProphetofTolerance,

    You wrote,
    ————————————————————————-
    Probably has something to do with negative views British Muslims have of non-Muslim Brits, a desire to replace a basically secular nation with something alien and massive support for criminalizing criticism of Islam that still falls under the freedom of speech in the UK (for now).

    Well, that’s if you actually wanted an answer to your question.

    That is why despite Muslims repeatedly pledging their dedication to Britain

    Amazingly enough, Britons don’t get their views from websites telling them what to think. I’ll stick with what Britons believe (and numerous polls and government statistics) over spun stories
    ————————————————————————-

    Really, why don’t you show us these statistics?

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Ilisha

    This just goes to show that too many people are getting their news and information from biased sources who either sensationalize to sell more magazines or have an agenda such as those stupid anti Muslim “counter jihad” websites and far right wing websites.

  • JD

    Islamphobe:-Statistics true unless is something we dont agree with then its Taqiyya and Lying or spin.Also anything i say is FACT no need proof or anything like that .

    You can never win with these people why i dont argu much here with them.

  • ProphetofTolerance

    Probably has something to do with negative views British Muslims have of non-Muslim Brits, a desire to replace a basically secular nation with something alien and massive support for criminalizing criticism of Islam that still falls under the freedom of speech in the UK (for now).

    Well, that’s if you actually wanted an answer to your question.

    That is why despite Muslims repeatedly pledging their dedication to Britain

    Amazingly enough, Britons don’t get their views from websites telling them what to think. I’ll stick with what Britons believe (and numerous polls and government statistics) over spun stories.

  • Sarah Brown

    There is one other possible (minor) factor behind this slight gap. Some British people much prefer to identify as English, and are less keen on their British identity, I think. This is viewed by some as more of an ethnic label than British – which is more civic. When Sunny Hundal (Sikh background) identified as English in a Guardian article some people said he couldn’t be. This doesn’t seem at all helpful, but it just might feed into a few more Muslims (I assume mostly of South Asian origin) identifying with Britishness than mon-Muslims who lean more towards being English.

  • Hard Core Atheist

    The sooner people like Anjum Chaudray go away (who for many is the face of British Islam) and the sooner more people realise he represents very few, the sooner people will begin to believe that Muslims are well integreated.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 2448.56)

    Who remembers the French protestent community over 250000 in London ? The dutch community of east Anglia ? The first Chinese community of Lime House ,London , over 250000 or the 5 million irish people who emigrated to the UK in the 20th century and the aliens from Alpha Centuri . Ok I made the last one up . But intergrating is what people do! I dont know of any effect that makes it faster or stops it apart from germany in the 1940s of cource

    Sir David
    Angers

  • mindy1

    Oh that is good news-the current climate of hate is disturbing, but it will pass.

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