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Amusing Islamophobia Blog Wars: Logan’s Warning vs. Brigitte Gabriel

Brigitte Gabriel

by Garibaldi

Time for a history lesson on the anti-Muslim Islamophobia blog wars.

It has been a while since we reported on “intra-Counter Jihad blog wars,” which are really nothing more than pitiful, though amusing, little soap operas. Our first exposition of the phenomenon occurred several years ago when Charles Johnson of Little Green Footballs repudiated Ned May of Gates of Vienna, Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer in a very public way, for their associations with neo-Fascists and White Supremacists. In fact, there used to be a whole blog about it, Gates of Vienna vs.the World vs. LGF.

The invective and mudslinging got really nasty, but eventually Charles Johnson utterly abandoned the hate machine for greener, more sane pastures. Ever since that time Johnson has been a stalwart anti-bigot and has continuously exposed Spencer, Geller and other leading lights of the trans-Atlantic Islamophobia Movement.

There were also extremely amusing blog wars involving Spencer, Geller and Debbie Schlussel. Spencer at one time termed Schlussel a “freedom fighter” on par with his friend Pamela Geller. However, when Schlussel went after Geller, calling her a “charlatan” and “pseudo-warrior,” Spencer magically deleted any reference to Schlussel as a “freedom fighter.” Schlussel has also gone on the hunt against Walid Shoebat, Steven Emerson and Brigitte Gabriel, calling them “frauds” and “phonies” of the worst kind. We were happy to agree.

We also broke out the popcorn when bigot Andrew Bostom and Robert Spencer started viciously sniping at one another. Bostom called out Spencer as a “plagiarist,” and “swine.”

It might be too early to call it the end but it looks like ex-booze buddies Andrew Bostom and Robert Spencer are at each others throats. Bostom is accusing Spencer of plagiarism, and Spencer is replying that he is “miffed” by the accusation.

The sorry fact is that both of them plagiarize from Orientalists who have made the same arguments and presented the same research centuries ago.

The intra-fighting amongst the anti-Muslim Movement continues, perhaps a sign that this unstable movement is fracturing and will hopefully disintegrate under the weight of their own hate. The newest manifestation is the anti-Muslim website Logan’s Warning going after ACT! for America‘s Brigitte Gabriel, in a post titled, ACT!’s Brigitte Gabriel, $elling America a Bridge to Nowhere! Now that is a title that we can agree with! Whodathunkit, the truth from Islamophobes!

In something you don’t hear everyday, Christopher Logan, the “brains” behind “Logan’s Warning” criticizes Brigitte Gabriel for being too “moderate.” Really, according to Logan, Gabriel is too “moderate.” That’s like saying David Duke is a “moderate” anti-Semite.

Logan writes,

Well unfortunately the Queen of False Hope, Brigitte Gabriel, is back to doing her thing. Spreading false hope and censoring those who call her on her “moderate” Muslims are coming to the rescue nonsense.

Isn’t Brigitte the same bigot who said multiple times, “there is no moderate Muslim”? Isn’t she the same person who argued that a Muslim who practices or believes in the five pillars is a radical?

“a practising Muslim who goes to mosque every Friday, prays five times a day, and who believes that the Koran is the word of God, and who believes that Mohammed is the perfect man and (four inaudible words) is a radical Muslim.”–Brigitte Gabriel, Australian News

Logan goes on,

apparently the queen’s ego is too big, and or the money coming in from telling people what they want to hear is just too good to give up. Either way, her message of “moderates” coming the rescue is detrimental to America.

Logan also wants to point out,

I remember when I first took on this issue, there were plenty of Brits who did not want to lay the blame on Islam itself. They also were saying “radical Islam”. How did that work out?

Logan, don’t worry, in her heart of hearts Brigitte also doesn’t differentiate between something called “radical Islam” and “Islam.”

Logan continues to pile on,

Gabriel reminds me of a politician who will say anything to just to get through the moment…We are not going to win this war with your message. It is the equivalent of going to the doctor and being told you have a life threatening disease, but the problem will end up resolving itself…How much more time should be wasted in promoting that notion [moderate Islam]? How much longer until Gabriel, Daniel Pipes, Frank Gaffney, and Brooke Goldstein admit they need to change course? Five years, 10, 20?…Speaking of debate Brigitte. Instead of sending your two henchman or the naive and ignorant Chris Slick here, why don’t you come out of the shadows and debate me on this? Explain how Islam will reform. If you are being honest with America you will be able to back up your argument, right? (Emphasis mine)

This has to be one of the strangest and silliest debates in history. Bigots arguing amongst one another about who is more “moderate” in bashing Islam and Muslims. What Logan is pointing out however is Gabriel’s inconsistent and contradictory statements and positions, a common phenomenon with hatemongers. One we noted in a previous article on Gabriel,

So Brigitte, what is it? Are there any moderates or not? Brigitte seems to be telling us that the only acceptable Muslims are the ones who don’t practice Islam altogether? Or perhaps, she’s even implying that the only good Muslim is an ex-Muslim?

Logan should really be coming out and saying, why not be honest Brigitte and just admit, as you have a million times in the past that you hate Islam and want to see it destroyed. Either take back your bigoted statements that you believe “Arabs have no soul,” that there is no “moderate” Islam or “moderate” practicing Muslim or reaffirm those positions.

What I find as interesting as Logan’s blogpost slamming Gabriel are the comments. Take for instance Sarah Elkins comment, she thinks Arabs are no good unless they convert to Christianity,

Spoken like a true Brigitte Gabriel inspired Judeo-Christian Civilizational Crusader. Who can forget Brigitte’s “Arabs have no soul” comment,

“The difference, my friends, between Israel and the Arab world is the difference between civilization and barbarism. It’s the difference between good and evil [applause]…. this is what we’re witnessing in the Arabic world, They have no SOUL !, they are dead set on killing and destruction. And in the name of something they call “Allah” which is very different from the God we believe….[applause] because our God is the God of love.”–Brigitte Gabriel, CPAC

A commenter by the handle “Christ possession” rails, accusing some Islamophobes of slowing down the fight against the “beast” of “Islam,” and impeding the fight to stop “mosques” from being built and “sharia law” from replacing the Constitution.

Abdul Ameer posts about the “counter-Jihad” strategy and the usefulness of using “merry Muslims” like Zuhdi Jasser to stave off accusations that they are bigoted,

“eib” wants to focus on fighting Prophet Muhammad. Maybe he missed the memo, but Muhammad passed away over 1400 years ago,

Then we have “Brit is exile” who goes on about the Crusades, implying there needs to be a return to them,

These people are some of the most disturbingly deluded individuals of our time, and expose not only their bigotry but their own dissimulation and attack on basic freedoms and liberties. It is no surprise that with all these frankly ignorant and expansive egos competing that they would turn on each other. I say pass the popcorn and let me watch.

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  • Check this out: Wilders to tour US with Michele Bachmann next year…(use of translator required)

    http://www.spitsnieuws.nl/archives/binnenland/2012/09/wilders-op-anti-islam-tournee-in-vs

    Nope – not a surprise here that Wilders views one of America’s most well know loons as a ally…

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  • RDS

    Loon Watch. Logan’s Warning.

    It deeply disturbs me both are abbreviated LW.

    Let’s try two letters then. LOon WAtch, and LOgan’s WArning. LoWa.

    …damnit D:

  • Common Sense

    God, I can’t handle looking at her face.

  • I agree with Solid Snake’s stages. Snake wondered what the next stage would be.

    Perhaps Eric Allen Bell’s writings provide a clue. A recent Facebook posting of his includes the following:

    “There is no way to coexist with Islam. It simply must be destroy.”

    Beating the drums of war is how I would describe Eric’s advancing attachment to his painful, fear-based hate.

    From discussing radical or political or fundamentalist Islam, to saying the problem is all of Islam, to calling for the destruction of Islam, including discussing the pros and cons of nuking holy Islamic places, surely suggests that Islamophobia is a progressive diease. Hatred, like a cancer, grows.

    What if Eric’s words had been, There is no way to coexist with Judaism. It simple must be destroyed.” Would they be on Facebook? Would there be widespread outrage?

    Hatefilled bloggers might not know that those in the media who raged against Judaism and called for the destruction of Judaism in Europe were prosecuted after WWII just as those who pulled the triggers were.

    May the trolling for assassins and the calls for destroying Islam come to an end. We can, do, and have coexisted in many places and times throughout history. And we are now coexisting – minus those who hate.

  • @Garibaldi

    Thanks. Its nice that the site is back online.

  • Garibaldi

    @Loonwatchers,

    Sorry that the site was down for a few hours due to maintenance.

  • Investigator

    eib on August 25, 2012 at 2:06 pm

    In the counterjihad there is a saying. Don’t judge Islam by the Muslims you know, and don’t judge the Muslims you know by the standard of Islam.
    We have named the enemy — it is the false prophet and his message of conquest and hatred of the West”.

    RESPONSE:

    It is narrated by Sayyiduna Abdullah bin Umar that the Holy Prophet said:

    “When the belly of Makkah will be cleft open and through it will be dug out river-like passages (i.e. tunnels) and the buildings of the Holy City of Makkah will rise higher than its mountains, when you observe these signs, then understand that the time of trial is near at hand.”

    Allah’s Apostle said, “The Hour will not be established till the people compete with one another in constructing high buildings (Abu Huraira, Sahih Bukhari)

    There will be no Judgment until a person’s own voice speaks to him. ((Mukhtasar Tazkirah al-Qurtubi, p. 471)

    “The Hour will not be established until the tip of a man’s whip and the straps on his sandals speak to him”. (Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri, Silsilah Saheeh)

    This prophecy refers to talking shoes, which has COME TRUE:

    nytimes.com/2006/11/01/technology/circuits/01sneak.html?pagewanted=all

    “Great distances will be traversed in short spans of time”. (Ahmad, Musnad)

    false prophet anyone?

  • @Garibaldi

    Speaking of conflicts between bigots here’s a case where much like the Battle between Gabriel and Logan, it maybe another case of no matter who wins, we lose. However it touches on the connection between Antisemitism (hatred of Jews) and Islamophobia (hatred of Muslims)

    The U.K. extreme right is undecided on who to hate: Jews or Muslims?
    http://www.haaretz.com/news/features/the-u-k-extreme-right-is-undecided-on-who-to-hate-jews-or-muslims.premium-1.461335

    Note that you’ll need to be either registered, or a subscriber to HAARETZ to view the story in its entirety. Sorry I have no control over that.

  • @Garibaldi

    I agree with you, and I can’t blame you. I can understand not wanting to go back there.

  • Garibaldi

    @Critical,

    I believe you. I can’t stand being on that site for longer than it takes to grab a screenshot. These people do harbor racist feelings, and their influence in the hate movement is even more pronounced than many realize. Our article on the Sikh Carnage, Islamophobia and White Supremacy was really only the tip of the iceberg.

  • @Solid Snake, you wrote,

    I was just wondering what the third stage is? And the fourth? And the fifth?

    These people harbor genocidal feelings. They know it isn’t yet safe to express that publicly save for the really rabid Islamophobes that cant hold it in.

    I hear where you are coming from, and I do believe many of the people who post such things are in fact harboring deep seated violent tendencies. Some of these tendencies have already been displayed for all of us to see.

    You also wrote,
    And the Anti-Arab/Muslim sub-currents within Western culture make it easier for such terrorists to operate. Just look at the media. Say anything you want about Arabs and Muslims with no repercussions at all. Arabs have no soul? Check. Arabs are savages? Check. We should invade their countries and convert them?Check. Kill them and their Children? A quote from Walid Shoebet at a conference for law enforcement personnel. Even the self proclaimed free thinkers of the West are not spared from such extremism. Check Dawkins, Harris, and Iraq war supporter Hitchens to name a few.

    You see the media and what they show but what you don’t see is the actual violence committed by the US forces. The continued drone strikes, the imprisonment of people in Guantanamo Bay without trial and reports of torture, the constant glorification of wars overseas, the downplaying of civilian Arab and Muslim deaths, the lack of punishment for military personnel who commit war crimes, and general recklessness of the US military in Muslim majority countries all feed into the undercurrent of Anti-Arab/Muslim sentiment that is present within the Western world.

    These are some excellent and important points you bring up. The near unimpeded and proliferating hate rhetoric against Muslims, Arabs, South Asians coupled with the project of making the horrors wrought by the American Empire invisible is a toxic mix.

    I can’t say for sure if this Islamophobia movement will grow and flourish (very possible), but what I can say for sure is that there will continue to be a hard core group of hate-mongers who will attempt to exploit anything they can to further their cause.

    This is why alliances with those who oppose Islamophobia, xenophobia and racism is vital. This is why persistent dialogue is vital. This is why efforts to shed light on the various networks, funding, faulty arguments, propaganda of these haters is vital.

  • DrM

    @Expat in SE Asia

    Very deep. Now in English please, lol

  • @Garibaldi

    Sorry I wrote “Christ Logan” in my last comment. That was a typo, for any Christians on here, sorry, I didn’t intend to insult Jesus by associating him with a hate monger like Chris Logan.

  • @Expat in SE Asia,

    That’s quite poetic prose.

    Are you sure you didn’t dip some LSD into your drink before writing that? “UFO peacemaker Loonwatch,” amazing. We’re making crop circles in your backyard as we speak.

  • NurAlia

    Solid State…

    This can be that these people are competing for money (hate in the west is an industry) or they could be falling apart…but I doubt it.

    My take on it is that this is equivilant to Hitler burning the Reichstag. We all know that the bigots became more bold, and got more people to take thier side. We know that the Reichstag fire was an ‘excuse’ to bring in the evil of the Nazi regime into the mainstream…and those who were moderatly bigots were eventually weeded out.

    We have seen MANY people sacrificing thier own to make a political point, to impose fear on a population to encourage them to give up thier privacy and freedoms to be safe…under the ‘savior figure’. I think this is the same…the hate of Islam is going to get only worse in the west unfortunatly, because those voices who belive that those they fear (in this case, and the case of Europe…dark skinned people) can change.

    We need to understand…Muslims are just the easy target, Muslims are the means to an end, and that is for…in Europe, a WHITE, CHRISTIAN male dominated society. Lets be truthful here.

  • @Garibaldi

    Go back to the Logan’s Warning page and check out Kope’s response to Sara Elkins. It turns out that some of the people there are racists as well anti Muslim bigots. Yet Christ Logan, has repeatedly denied that he’s racists and insists that he is no way motivated by racism. Yet so far he hasn’t responded to him, and in fact the only guy to respond so far doesn’t even seem to care, about the clearly racist statement complete with racial slurs. So if Logan is not a racist, he either didn’t notice or didn’t care, because he’s so busy bashing Muslims.

  • @Solid Snake

    Unfortunately you maybe correct about them getting more violent. The one good thing about that through, only good thing really, is that the more violent the “counter Jihad” people get themselves, the more difficult it will be for them to portray themselves as the good guys. People will be more likely to see the movement they’re peddling for what it is immediately. Imagine how different our views of Islam might be if prior to 9/11 and immediately afterwards, there had been story after story of anti Muslim bigots attacking Mosques. The smarter “counter Jihadists” at least are smart enough to know that they can’t be seen as the aggressors, that’s why so many of them have been trying to distance themselves from Brevik and his mass murdering terrorist killing spree. I really hope it doesn’t come done to that through. I really hope we don’t need another Brevik or two, or three to get enough people to oppose people like Chris Logan and Bridget Gabriel.

  • Expat in SE Asia

    GoodGuyGaribaldi – is blessed to float in golden clouds of the web and zap the rowdy barlike bloggers brawling amongst themselves like the UFO Peacemaker of Loonwatch.

    More amusing is reading Garibaldi passing over Islamaphobtopia and satellite focusing on observing the hamster cage of Islama-fantasists and their denzien gerbils like Spencer, the garden-snake Shlussel, Emerson the rat, once puffing Fan-lizard Johnson (now trying to escape the cage) Gabriele the trap-spider, & Pam Geller the Wasp mother of sick hatchlings, Breivik.

    From the view in SE Asia, within spectacular grand mosques, wall to wall with all strata, were ultra-millions not flinching at the anti-Islam Moreauvian beasts in their marketed Jurassic Park World –

    Yet for those in that realm, people can face a 28monthslater toxic propaganda cloud, the wasps are giant, and one may fall prey to the Emerson rat-king leading his pied piper masses for a feedin’ at Muslim’s cost, in their primal world the feeding on Muslim corpses penultimate.

    So if Logan wants to go NatGeo and gobble Gabriele’s hatchlings -in a ‘biggest survives’ marketing mantra, then the rest of us 1+billion Muslims should- , ohh i get it, bring the curry puffs! – ‘Surviving in Islamphobtopia’ is on.

  • DrM

    Let the scum take each other out.

  • Solid Snake

    From ‘Abdul Ameers’ post on Logans Warning:
    “The first stage is to let them know that Islamism is a danger.
    The second stage is to let people know that Islamism is part of mainstream Islam and that both are inseparable because they come from the same Koran”

    I was just wondering what the third stage is? And the fourth? And the fifth?

    These people harbor genocidal feelings. They know it isn’t yet safe to express that publicly save for the really rabid Islamophobes that cant hold it in.

    @Garibaldi
    “The intra-fighting amongst the anti-Muslim Movement continues, perhaps a sign that this unstable movement is fracturing and will hopefully disintegrate under the weight of their own hate.”

    I wish that that were true. I am not as optimistic. There are powerful people behind this movement. These idiots that we see squabbling with each other are merely pawns in the Islamophobia Industry. They are expendable and will be thrown in the trash by their handlers if they prove to be a burden. There is always a new up and comer waiting for the chance to make the big money.

    I believe the Islamophobia Industry will flourish and grow. And as I wrote on another thread:

    ” I believe that in a couple of years the facade of being against violence, subjugation of women, and no religious freedom will be dropped by the far right and other Islamophobic groups. They will embrace violence openly and it will be much more organized than any terrorist group in the Mid East. Why? Because now they know the limits that they can reach. The precedents have been set. First, the brutal stabbing and murder of Marwa Sherbini in the court of law in front of armed Officers. Stabbed at total of about 18 times without intervention. Second, the Breivek incident. He brutally murdered 77 innocent people garnering only a 21 year sentence with a probability of being set free if it is found that he is not a threat to society. The win for Islamophobes is that his manifesto and beliefs are openly supported by many people without consequences. We all the know the question ‘What if they were Muslim supporting a terrorist?’ and the answer is death, torture, and/or life imprisonment with few exceptions.

    And the Anti-Arab/Muslim sub-currents within Western culture make it easier for such terrorists to operate. Just look at the media. Say anything you want about Arabs and Muslims with no repercussions at all. Arabs have no soul? Check. Arabs are savages? Check. We should invade their countries and convert them?Check. Kill them and their Children? A quote from Walid Shoebet at a conference for law enforcement personnel. Even the self proclaimed free thinkers of the West are not spared from such extremism. Check Dawkins, Harris, and Iraq war supporter Hitchens to name a few.

    You see the media and what they show but what you don’t see is the actual violence committed by the US forces. The continued drone strikes, the imprisonment of people in Guantanamo Bay without trial and reports of torture, the constant glorification of wars overseas, the downplaying of civilian Arab and Muslim deaths, the lack of punishment for military personnel who commit war crimes, and general recklessness of the US military in Muslim majority countries all feed into the undercurrent of Anti-Arab/Muslim sentiment that is present within the Western world.”

    I think the only thing we can do is soften the impact and avoid the unthinkable.

  • Garibaldi

    @Critical,

    I do remember you alerting us to Logan’s Warning and they are definitely on the extreme ledge of the looniverse.

  • @Garibaldi

    I remember alerting you guys to Logan’s Warning soon after I started helping out here on Loon Watch. This actually isn’t surprising really. Anyone who shows any sign of moderation within the anti Muslim “counter jihad” risks being attacked by him. Hope this is a sign that the “counter jihad” is falling apart. However it may just be a sign that some loons are either less intelligent or even more extreme than Gabriel. Logan’s Warning actually extreme even for a “counter Jihad” blog. Even so, the less they’re able to get along, the easier it will be for us to fight them, so this is probably a good thing. Maybe he’ll attack another fellow anti Muslim bigot next for not being extreme enough.

  • mindy1

    I wonder what would happen if we locked them in a room together…

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