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The Nuclear Card

Christina Odone Exploits the Tragic Death of Shafilea Ahmed

Posted on 05 August 2012 by Mooneye

Honor Killing is well known to be a problem with various cultures and faiths. (via. Islamophobia-Watch)

‘When Muslim parents kill a beautiful 17-year-old out of religious conviction, I feel intolerant’ says Odone

“Can religion really lead a mother and father to kill their own child? It is clear that in the Ahmeds’ case, this was so: Alesha, the victim’s surviving sister, testified in court that her parents openly acknowledged that they must do away with the rebellious teenager. She had adopted ‘western ways’, and brought shame on their family.”

Cristina Odone exploits the tragic death of Shafilea Ahmed in order to demonstrate that she’s an ignorant bigot.

Daily Telegraph, 3 August 2012

Of course, Odone doesn’t provide any evidence to back up her assertion that it was their religious beliefs that caused Shafilea’s parents to murder her. The quote from Alesha Ahmed that she produces indicates that their motive was a warped conception of “honour”, which is not specific to any faith community.

As a 2007 report prepared for the European Parliament, Honour Killing, its Causes and Consequences, states:

“Honour killing is often mistakenly believed to be an Islamic practice or a practice condoned by Islam since it often occurs in Muslim-majority societies. In actual fact honour killing is forbidden in Islam and there is no mention of this practice in the Qur’an or in the Hadiths. There is little evidence of the practice in Muslim-majority countries such as Indonesia or Malaysia. Honour killing occurs in strongly patriarchal societies often referred to as ‘honour-based’ and which are found primarily in the Middle East, the Balkans, the southern Mediterranean, and South Asia.”

  • http://thepenofawanderingstranger.com/personal Jack Cope

    SDC, see thing is that most of us have had similar sorts of crap shoved into our faces for years, frankly it is boring. As Ilisha point out, most of it was probably just culled from the standard sources and pasted together into some sort of incoherent rant. And again, as pointed out, your attitude is pretty much the same as the likes of Al-Qeda and all those other criminals.

    Anyway, on a select few of your points;

    The Qisas and Diyat Ordinance allowing honor killing? Yes, it does but here is the thing; the way it allows them is so abstract that it simply proves that, in order to carry out an ‘honor killing’ a person must bend and twist the rules so much (in a nutshell, the ordinance allows a murderer to be ‘forgiven’ by a family so someone can order the murder of a family member and simply ‘forgive’ the murderer who will get off with no charge). If ‘honor killing’ were allowed by Islam then people wouldn’t have to do this would they?

    No, because honor killing is forbidden and instead they have to take a round about route. Of course, someone else asked you to prove that ‘honor killing’ is in Islam… we’ve had some attempts at that before so if you’d be a good chap and put your money where your mouth is I’m sure we’ll enjoy reading it. Oh and just to mention, the ordinances are up for review in Pakistan itself, wouldn’t that be a blow to you if they were revoked.

    You then go on to mention a select few parts of the world as ‘evidence’ of how the whole world acts, actually this is a common theme. Now pardon me for saying this but… well that’s frankly crap. It is that sort of attitude that brings about so many problems in the world, I don’t have to underline the fallacy of this argument do I?

    Also, it was kinda cute that you said ‘sports and music are haram in Islam’… well you’d better go and tell the several thousand Muslim Olympians that are in London right now. Seriously, again this is just showing your mentality; to you Islam is and always will be a monolith because if it were not none of your arguments would stand. But if you would be a good chap and back up your points about sport and music again, we’d love to read them.

    I guess I’m speaking for my ‘Pakistani mentality’ now right… I was unaware that race could be transferred like that. Still at least it’s a new one; normally I’m just a ‘Muslim Brotherhood Member’. I know I won’t get a reasonable response to the above, heck I doubt I’ll get a response at all, but I do request that any admin let any reply come through, if only to show how desperate these people are.

  • Ilisha

    @SDC

    A face saver? Maybe for you, because if your comments were published, it would be obvious to everyone that you are consumed by blind hatred and primitive tribalism.

    Your narrative has a comic book quality, with Muslims playing the role of super villain. You start with your hatred for Pakistan, and then throw in all sorts of recycled garbage you probably culled from hate sites, indicting every Muslim from Palestine to Malaysia and beyond.

    Worst of all, you continue to support the notion that it’s okay to slaughter innocent people for the actions of others. If some Muslims are accused of killing Hindus, innocent Muslims who had nothing to do with it are fair game? Your mentality is no more admirable than the terrorists you rail against.

    What you wrote is standard Jihad Watch fare with a saffron tint, and we’re under no obligation to publish it.

  • SDC

    @Illisha You should have published them and left the rest to the discerning reader. But, it seems that it was nothing more than a face-saver.

  • wajpuff

    Sdc-if you have a mind try to focus it and help odone out by providing evidence that shafilea Ahmed’s death was attributable to Islam. Take your Time, no pressure

    Whilst you struggle with that, you would agree that the practice of honour killings in Hindu and Sikh communities is attributable to their respective religions, yes ?

  • http://Loonwatch GW

    Open your eyes people. http://dawn.com/2012/08/06/dishonourable-killings/

    This article is written by Fiaza Mirza a fine Pakistani writer. I suggest reading the 140+ comments to get a feel for this subject from those who live with this as part of their culture.

  • Ilisha

    @SDC

    Loonwatch isn’t the venue for rambling, semi-off-topic screeds against Muslims. If you post such comments, they may not be published.

  • SDC

    @wajpuff If you have eyes, then just go through the comment preceding yours and find the evidence given therein. Sharmeen Obaid-Chinoy’s Oscar-winning documentary “Saving Face” also deals with that same issue if only you care to know.

    @Christian-friend If you ever visit Khyber Paktunkhwa and FATA, you will know of more Muslims who are proponents of practices such as stoning to death of adulterers? On a separate note, does your Pakistani friend not know that music and sports are considered haram in Islam?

    @admin Just wanted to know why were my comments deleted in this page:
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2012/07/burmas-monks-call-for-muslim-community-to-be-shunned/

  • Uthmān

    @Heinz Catsup: Well, verses 8 and 9 from the following Surah criticise the practice of female infanticide which was prevalent within pre-Islamic Arabia: http://quran.com/81

  • Christian-friend

    @SDC, if they have a medieval and crooked mentality, then how come I know a Pakistani that is a DJ?

  • wajpuff

    Lazy journalism by odone but never fear as sdc will provide the evidence that odone so miserably failed to do

  • SDC

    Where is the evidence that India tops in honor killings? Or just making a wild, wild guess (attributable to your Pakistani origins and deep seated aversion for the Hindus). Do I need to enlighten you on the practice of karo kari and the 1990 Qisas and Diyat Ordinance that literally legitimizes honor killing? At least, in India, killers are not protected and are punished.

    Nilofer, everyone who tries to expose the medieval and crooked mentality of the Muslims has an agenda, don’t you think?

  • http://danielibnzayd.wordpress.com/ Daniel Ibn Zayd

    So-called honor crimes are far surpassed in number by the murder of children (mostly adopted) by parents using various religious-based disciplinary methods.

    Just one (of too many) examples:

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/georgia-couple-forces-adopted-daughter-wear-shock-collar-neck-authorities-article-1.1112675

  • Heinz Catsup

    Isn’t there also a hadith or something in the sunnah which forbids the killing of ones children, as well?

  • ali

    India leads the world in honor killings, a place where 75% of the population is hindu.

  • mindy1

    How low some people will go :(

  • nilofour Zaman

    This woman has an agenda. She was intolerant all along, and she has the gall to say this made her intolerant, what a lying *****

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