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UPDATE: “Petition: Remove Hate Group Leader Robert Spencer as Catholic Deacon”

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*UPDATE: New Petition to Remove Hate Group Leader Rev. Deacon Robert Spencer from being a Catholic Deacon. The old petition was closed by Jenny Sessoms for some reason after 100 signatures.

Loonwatchers please sign and spread this NEW petition to remove hate group leader Robert Spencer as Catholic deacon to your friends and email lists. It has some added benefits, for one being on a more prominent petition site and calling for a higher number of signers.:

New Petition: Remove Anti-Muslim Hate Group Leader Robert Spencer as Catholic Deacon

Robert Bruce Spencer, an ordained Catholic deacon at Our Lady of the Cedars Catholic Church in Manchester, New Hampshire is classified by the Southern Poverty Law Center and other civil rights organiations as a “hate group leader.”

His writing, which targets Muslims and the religion of Islam, was cited extensively by the Norwegian mass murderer Anders Behring Breivik, who digested Spencer’s views on Islam and slaughtered 77 people, mostly youth.

Robert Spencer is one of the individuals behind the inflammatory anti-Muslim metro and bus ads in New York, California, and Washington.

His organization, Stop the Islamization of America, was refused a trademark by the Federal Government because the group engaged in what the government deemed “hate speech.”

As Catholics and people of all faiths, we believe that our religious traditions deserves better. We believe that Mr. Spencer’s constant provocations and inflammatory comments about Muslims and their religious beliefs, as well as his associations with radical nationalist groups such as the English Defence League, cast a negative and unncessarily poor light on Our Lady of the Cedars church, the Melkite Catholic tradition, and the religion of Catholicism.

We also believe that Deacons and clergy should represent the loving spirit of God and that they have a responsibility to build bridges with people of other faiths, not burn them. We recognize that while we may have faith differences with our brothers and sisters in other traditions, those differences must be respected.

Clergy must not engage publically in confrontational battles, ideological or political, and prejudice has no place in our tradition.

We call of the Most Reverend Bishop Nicholas J. Samra and the Eparchy of Newton to carefully examine the biography of Robert Bruce Spencer, his remarks about Muslims, his blog Jihad Watch, his associations with such groups and individuals as the English Defence League and Pamela Geller, his status as a “hate group leader” and his connections to the mass murderer Anders Breivik.

We call on the Eparchy to remember that Catholics were once subjected to religious prejudice and discrimination and thus they (and especially not their clergy) should be know of its harmful effects, and the pain caused by those who fearmonger and stereotype.

We call on the Eparchy and Bishop Samra to remove Robert Bruce Spencer as a Deacon of the Our Lady of the Cedars Melkite Catholic Church in Manchester, New Hampshire. We pray that the Church will hold firm its moral obligation to be a beacon of hope and light, not division and mistrust.

Sincerely,

The Undersigned

Old Petition:Remove Hate Group Leader Robert Spencer as Catholic Deacon

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  • Tanveer Khan

    Looks like the JihadWatchers learnt their lesson after LoonWatch gave them a burning in the ‘Robert Spencer becomes desperate against LoonWatch article’. They arent openly calling for the genocide of muslims, which is good. They do ofcourse still post excreted waste such as

    ‘Wonder if the woman quoted has had her lady parts sliced off with a rusty razor blade yet?’ by islamisdeath on February 25th on the article ‘UK converts to Islam seemingly on the rise’

    There also seems to be a bit of racism.
    ‘When I see a white girl with one of the local Somali’s I want to puke. Am I racist, dam straight when these scumbags come into our Western world and contaminate our blood lines with Islam poison, it makes my blood boil, sorry for being honest.’ by Ilovepork!! on the same article.

    Seeing as alot of the comments the article mentioned are still there id say those comments are still valid and people like dumbledoresarmy still post on the website. If Spencer was against loons like that he wouldve deleted the comments. I mean if any of my muslim friends started frothing at the mouth calling for the extinction of israel, kuffardom, USA etc etc i would pubicly ( i say pubicly, classroomly would be more accurate) condemn them and if they persist i think i would probably boycott them. This is me as an ordinary nobody. Spencer is a ‘well known’ bearded man so he should be even more careful.

    You cant really get much because JihadWatch doesnt seem like an active website.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    Ilisha and I disagree on various points, but I see her examining the issues and coming to individual conclusions rather than just asserting that one side is completely right and the other is completely wrong (and I hope she feels the same about me).

    Yes, I agree. We both have nuanced views, are willing to shift positions and concede points based on compelling arguments, and when necessary, to agree to disagree. Though I tend to mostly agree with you, so that makes it easier. :)

  • Just_Stopping_By

    Thank you for your kind comment, nood2, and may you and everyone also be blessed.

    I do want to point out a few things. First, free speech means that LW shouldn’t try to prevent you from posting on your own site. This site is theirs and the moderators can choose to approve or disapprove of whatever comments they like with no bearing on free speech.

    Second, while I have sympathy for some of your positions, it seems that they come across as very one-sided. In contrast, I have noted the mixed situation of Palestinian citizens of Israel and Ilisha has noted the progress that Israel has made. Ilisha and I disagree on various points, but I see her examining the issues and coming to individual conclusions rather than just asserting that one side is completely right and the other is completely wrong (and I hope she feels the same about me). In contrast, on this and a few other threads, it seems as if you take pretty much the same tack as those who just shout that Zionism is evil, with no nuance and often without even understanding the basics of what they are discussing.

    I’m happy to have a discussion if you can show that you do have nuanced views. Can you give examples of where you find that Muslims, Arabs, or Palestinians have been exceptionally good? For example, I could note that historically, the Muslim world was much more tolerant of Jews than the Christian world was, and, in fact, was quite tolerant for its time period. I can note the progress that Palestinians and their supporters have made in reducing the calls for ethnic cleansing. And I am happy to point out that the overwhelming majority of Muslims are against violence, with polls linked to here on LW showing that they have exceptionally high aversion to attacks on civilians compared to members of other religions. Islam has a just war doctrine that was way ahead of its time and that I think other religions should emulate (as well as every military and political leadership should emulate in practice).

    If you can make positive statements about Islam and Muslims, perhaps there is something to talk about. If not, then I will sadly lump you with those that just shout that Islam/Zionism/right-wingers/left-wingers/Jews/etc. is or are evil.

  • Leftwing_Muslim_Alliance

    As far as I know it’s a movement of the Jewish people going back to their that was established over 5000 years ago
    May I suggest a good History book or even Wiki and look up when Zionism started
    Zionism does not equal judism lol
    Sir David

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    The JNF system changed in 2005 and it now treats all citizen applicants equally.

    That’s certainly a welcome change. Now Palestinians who lost their land when Israel was founded can at least apply to the JNF to regain use of some of the land in Israel proper. Justice would mean their land is either returned to them, or they receive compensation, and that hasn’t happened.

    I’m not going to argue over the details of precisely how Israel discriminates against Palestinian citizens. The point is nood implied they enjoy full and equal rights in Israel and Israel alone. That’s certainly false.

    I do think that because Israel has made progress, and because in Israel proper, it is a democracy, the Palestinian citizens may gradually gain full rights, equivalent to those of their Jewish counterparts. At least I hope so.

  • Just_Stopping_By

    First, I admit my wording was a a bit sloppy, but I didn’t say “Palestinian citizens of Israel” don’t have democratic rights. I said “Palestinians,” which means as a whole…

    I will admit that non-citizens don’t have the same democratic rights as citizens do.

    Second, I think you have downplayed discrimination against non-Jews in Israel.

    Well, I said, “If you mean discrimination by others, then, yes, it is undeniable that Palestinian citizens in Israel suffer from discrimination.” If you mean discrimination by the government, your links actually seem to be in accord with what I said, with most of the discrimination coming from unequal funding, which they then translate into worse educational or health outcomes.

    Being barred from military service is a plus for obvious reasons, but it’s also a disadvantage in because people derive benefits from military service in Israel.
    Well, I’ll grant that Palestinian citizens of Israel don’t have that “benefit.” They are mostly not required to engage in military service (though some, like Druze males are), but may enlist. So, they can actually choose whether to keep the advantages of not enlisting or the advantages of enlisting.

    the Jewish National Fund, which discriminate[s] against non-Jews

    How outdated. The JNF system changed in 2005 and it now treats all citizen applicants equally. That’s actually a bit impressive, given that much of the land that the JNF bought was paid for by private donations for Jewish use. It’s like a scholarship organization that raised funds for a target group, getting donations heavily from members of that group, then disbursing funds without reference to that group. I think it’s a justified change, but it basically means that money donated mostly by Jews for Jews is now being used to fund all citizens’ land use.

    I am not downplaying the discrimination that Palestinian citizens of Israel face, but I also think that inadvertently overplaying it with incorrect information allows those like nood2 to think that everything is just fine for them.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    It makes me laugh that you think I’d be afraid to publish your comments. I’m a she, not a he, and I’m neither intimidated nor impressed by your rambling screeds.

    I’m not even going to read the last one. You should learn the concept of a paragraph break. You were wrong about Jordan so I hope you at least conceded that point.

    As for Israel, it is quite simple. Israel either keeps all the land it claims and give the Palestinians citizenship with full and equal rights, or it gives back the territories and the Palestinians get a state. Everything else is just a distraction from this central point.

    That’s been the choice for 46 years. All those lies about “generous offers” from Israel have been repeatedly debunked.

    But it should be obvious enough to anyone with the slightest sense that the besieged Palestinians cannot hold Israel–one of the most powerful military powers on earth–hostage.

    If anyone had tried to claim the Apartheid regime in South Africa really wanted to free black people but the black people wouldn’t let them, they would have been ridiculed and rightly so. The same is true here.

    As for Israel’s “generous offer” at Camp David:

    Fictions About the Failure At Camp David
    http://www.nytimes.com/2001/07/08/opinion/fictions-about-the-failure-at-camp-david.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    Just saying that Palestinian citizens of Israel “do not have democratic rights

    First, I admit my wording was a a bit sloppy, but I didn’t say “Palestinian citizens of Israel” don’t have democratic rights. I said “Palestinians,” which means as a whole, and then I distinguished the difference in rest of my comment.

    Second, being barred from military service is a plus and a minus, because people derive benefits from military service in Israel.

    Palestinian citizens do, as you mentioned, get shortchanged on funding and always have, no matter what parties are in power. Discrimination is systematic and institutionalized, enshrined in dozens of laws.

    Palestinians who became internal refugees when Israel was founded had their land taken and in most cases, it was never returned. Most of the land in Israel proper is now owned either by the state or by quasi-governmental agencies, such as the Jewish National Fund, which discriminate against non-Jews.

    There are more details regarding Israel’s discrimination against Palestinian citizens here:

    http://imeu.net/news/article0021536.shtml

  • Just_Stopping_By

    “Palestinians in Israel do not have democratic rights. They are discriminated against in Israel proper and in the territories Israel has illegally occupied for nearly half a century, Palestinians are ‘stateless persons’ with virtually no rights at all.”

    I agree with respect to the Palestinians in the territories, but I don’t think that you can say that a group that is discriminated against “do[es] not have democratic rights” when they can vote, and they serve as members of Knesset, mayors, judges, military generals, etc.

    If you mean discrimination by others, then, yes, it is undeniable that Palestinian citizens in Israel suffer from discrimination. If you mean discrimination by the government, the primary issues are that they don’t have to serve in the army or alternative service (a plus), but because their parties are out of power, their communities tend to get shortchanged on government funding (a negative).

    Just saying that Palestinian citizens of Israel “do not have democratic rights” obscures all that, and is facially wrong, making it easy for people like nood2 to dismiss legitimate issues of discrimination.

  • http://www.loonwatch.com/ Ilisha

    Since when is having a contra opinion and expressing it(non-violently) against the law in the US?

    Who said anything about the law? Did we ask to have Spencer arrested or silenced? No, and it’s our free speech right to criticize him.

    To my knowledge, to date, there have been Israeli offers of such a State and unfortunately Arafat and Abu Mazen have not seen it right to accept these offers…

    Wrong. The Palestinians are right now asking for recognition of their state at the and Israel and the US are refusing. Geneva has been on the table for decade and Israel has refused to implement it, and before that, there was the Arab Peace initiative.

    Israel is the one with all the power, and Israel can leave the territories any day. Are you next going to blame the Palestinians because Israel continues to build illegal settlements on their land?

    The only country in the world where these poor Pals have democratic rights is the country that you guys keep condemning–WHY

    Really? Palestinians are scattered all over the world, and have democratic rights in many countries where they’ve taken refuge, including the US.

    Palestinians in Israel do not have democratic rights. They are discriminated against in Israel proper and in the territories Israel has illegally occupied for nearly half a century, Palestinians are “stateless persons” with virtually no rights at all.

    How about Jordan?–No again

    Wrong. Palestinians are now a majority of the Jordanian population now, because Jordan has in fact granted them citizenship.

    Palestinians need citizenship in Palestine. It’s Israel and Israel alone standing in the way of Palestinians returning to their homeland.

    You talk of racism–Since when is Palestinian a race????

    The United Nations defines racial discrimination to include both racial and ethnic discrimination. Israeli discrimination against Palestinians because they’re not Jewish qualifies.

  • Kyle Renner

    You’re a pathetic piece of shit. You make it pretty obvious where your comments are concerned.

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