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Witchcraft-obsessed GOP county chair: Muslims must accept Jesus or leave the United States

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Was this man a raving Islamophobe before he found Geller and Spencer or was his nutty, fringe and warped version of Christianity triggered by his association with Geller and Spencer‘s SIOA? As important is the question of how in heck this guy ever came to be the chairman of a county Republican Party? I wondered if Big Stone County was in Michele Bachmann‘s neck of the woods, as that would explain a lot but it is not! Hopefully, the nearby Islamic Center of Willmar and its congregants will not be targeted because of this officials hate speech.

Raw Story

The chairman of a county Republican Party in Minnesota who believes that big government is actually a form of satanic “witchcraft” is not backing down from controversial comments he posted on his Facebook page about Muslims.

Big Stone County Republican chairman Jack Whitley said he opposed waterboarding terrorists because he believed that Muslim “parasites” should be killed.

“I am opposed to waterboarding muslim terrorists because it is a waste of resources,” he wrote Wednesday on Facebook “They are muslims, they are terrorist, we know where they are from, we know where their buddies are, we know where thier mosque’s are, we know millions of these parasites travel to Mecca every year and when…FRAG ‘EM! Simplicity. I love when it all comes together!”

The comments were first reported by the Bluestem Prairie blog.

Whitley said Thursday that he would not apologize for his remarks. He said Muslims should either convert to Christianity or leave the United States.

“This is where I’m making my stand,” he wrote in another Facebook post. “Muslims inTwin Cities Area are calling for me to apologize for a comment I made on facebook about them being. parasites and we need to frag them .I will not apologize and I will not compromise .They either need to repent except Jesus Chist or leave the country .Any Muslims or group of Muslims who do not stand against Jihad Muslim terrorist are consider part and parcel with the Muslim terrorist. I was just contacted by a reporter from the Minnespolis Star Tribune who will be writing a article on their blog site if you care to follow this story.Bravery is contagious , I am not a coward are you? If Muslims think they can come to this country and dictate anything that makes them terrorist ! Lets see if your love for God and country,patriotism,extends any further than your finger tips on the keyboard. If you want to consider this a call to arms,then so be it .”

Whitley told the StarTribune that he didn’t like Muslims because Islam was a violent religion.

“I don’t really see much of Islam being peaceful at all,” he said. “Don’t come into this country, infiltrating this country with your terrorist activities and terrorist agendas and call it a ‘holy war.”

He also explained to the StarTribune that he doesn’t believe Muslims deserve First Amendment rights.

“Your association with those in your religion who have those terrorist activities, and your unwillingness to call them on the carpet for it? No, you no longer have the right to practice that religion if it infringes on the peace and the tranquility of this nation and the people around you. That nullifies your constitutional right to practice your freedom of religion.”

On his Facebook page, Whitley has expressed concern about witchcraft and Satanism.

“An oversized government will always be an immoral government, creating entities where none are needed, to virtually control every aspect of the lives of its citizens, for the ‘greater good’, thereby creating rebels of the ones who will not bow to these corrupt entities. This is also known as witchcraft.”

He said that Hollywood, the NFL, the NBA, televangelists, the Christian music industry, the health industry, and academics were all part of the “government of Satan,” which he claimed had infiltrated the Christian church.

“American Christians or should I say ‘Westernized Christians’ are absolutely caught in the trap that satan has laid for them, and they dont even know it because it feels so good,” he said in another post about the movie Noah.

Whitley also expressed his opposition to the “feminization and homosexualization of the church” in his Facebook writings, and said he didn’t donate money to missionaries “unless they prove to me they stand against abortion and homo’s.”

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  • Ricardo Hotatio

    What about 1 x 1 x 1 !?

  • Awesome

    First, it is importend to note that like I said before deception in the area of salvation is completely unacceptable, these verses don’t concern salvation.

    You believe that the crucifixion to be a part of salvation, and associate it with God’s plan. Yet you admit that God allows humans to deceive each other and themselves. By extension it is obvious that, while God may not deceive about matters of salvation, God allows others to deceive and be deceived about matters of salvation. Therefore, the belief that humans deceived themselves about the crucifixion being a part of salvation is consistent with what God allows. It just happens that you believe that the ‘salvation through crucifixion-blood atonement’ doctrine to be a part of God’s plan, while Muslims believe that doctrine to be an invention by humans.

  • Awesome

    I considered the discussion closed, but here you go:

    A few days of no response shouldn’t be enough to give you the impression that this discussion was closed.

    We need Gods personal involvement in our lives to receive and understand truth. (Communicated in and through prayer) The question becomes; Is there spiritual guidance in our lives and who is actually inspiring us, this is depending on what we believe. Indeed only the truth sets us free.

    It has always been a matter of faith, and rarely today has anyone ever converted to a different faith in a discussion about faith.

    I used these essential verses before:

    Rom. 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

    And those verses are only essential for those who believe them to have been divinely-inspired. For those who do not believe that they are divinely-inspired, then it is almost inconsequential what they say. While Muslims are obligated to believe that “Jesus” was the Messiah and the last Israelite Prophet sent by God with the Gospel as a Messenger to the Israelites, Muslims are not obligated to believe in Paul as an apostle of “Jesus” or in any of his epistles. “Romans” is one of Paul’s epistles, which are only of religious value to those who believe in him.

    Pause

    You are trying to change the mind of a person who actually received God’s spiritual indwelling in his life! What you believe about Christ, the crucifixion and de resurrection (which is the core of the Gospel and which enabled me to live a restored life through Christ) is simply being exposed not to be true by the Spirit, this disqualifies Islam, it is not based on truth and it obstructs salvation.

    I wasn’t aware of any attempts to change anyone’s mind. You can believe whatever you want to believe and I never expected to convince you otherwise. My interest is only to debunk your religious arguments objectively, historically, and textually.

    However, beliefs about matters with no available objective standard to be measured by, can never be objectively defined as “true” or exposed as “not true”. This can only be done subjectively, based on another set of beliefs that are already regarded as true. My beliefs about Christ, the alleged crucifixion and resurrection can only be regarded as not true by those who already regard contrary beliefs to be true. Thus, you disqualify Islam on account of your beliefs, and I disqualify Christianity on account of my beliefs. The crucifixion and resurrection are at the core of Christianity, but they are not at the core the gospels, and more specifically, they are not at the core of what “Jesus” is alleged to have taught in those gospels.

    That is why:

    1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    Yet in this passage, there is no mention of:

    – the divinity of Christ
    – the crucifixion – blood atonement of Christ

    – the resurrection of Christ

    Since those points are the main issues of contention between Islam and Christianity, it seems prudent to focus on passages that clearly pertain to them. 1 John 5:9-12 does not appear to be one of them.

    1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    1 John (and specifically its references to Jesus coming in the flesh) is said to have been written to counter docetism (the belief that “Jesus” was all spirit and no flesh). However, docetism is not a part of Islam, so referencing passages denouncing docetism does nothing to disqualify Islam from a Biblical perspective.

    Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    Again, “Romans” is an epistle of Paul, whose credibility is another issue of contention given his opposition to the law among other things. When discussing the doctrines you associate with the mission of “Jesus”, Paul’s epistles are invalid as evidence unless everyone in the discussion agrees that Paul was an apostle.

    This means either I or you is wrong, but my confidence is in a cleansed and secure conscience.

    Yes, it is obvious that we cannot both be right, as our beliefs are too contrary to each other to be reconcilable. So at the very least, one of us is wrong to some extent. While you may put you confidence in a mental state, I find a person’s mental state to be too fickle and subjective to ever be a reliable indicator of reality. Objective consistency is far more reliable.

    One addition 1 John 4 is a reference to the verses the Gospel of John:

    Even if that were the case, 1 John itself is still said to have been written to counter docetism, and in the beginning of 1 John 4, this seems fairly obvious.

  • Ricardo Hotatio

    One addition 1 John 4 is a reference to the verses the Gospel of John: http://biblehub.com/context/john/1-1.htm

  • Ricardo Hotatio

    I considered the discussion closed, but here you go:

    We need Gods personal involvement in our lives to receive and understand truth. (Communicated in and through prayer) The question becomes; Is there spiritual guidance in our lives and who is actually inspiring us, this is depending on what we believe. Indeed only the truth sets us free.

    I used these essential verses before:

    Rom. 8:14 because those who are led by the Spirit of God are sons of God. 15 For you did not receive a spirit that makes you a slave again to fear, but you received the Spirit of sonship. And by him we cry, “Abba, Father.” 16 The Spirit himself testifies with our spirit that we are God’s children.

    Pause

    You are trying to change the mind of a person who actually received God’s spiritual indwelling in his life! What you believe about Christ, the crucifixion and de resurrection (which is the core of the Gospel and which enabled me to live a restored life through Christ) is simply being exposed not to be true by the Spirit, this disqualifies Islam, it is not based on truth and it obstructs salvation.

    That is why:

    1John 5:9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. 11 And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son. 12 He that hath the Son hath life; and he that hath not the Son of God hath not life.

    1John 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God: 3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world. 4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world. 5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

    Rom. 8:1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. 2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

    This means either I or you is wrong, but my confidence is in a cleansed and secure conscience.

  • Awesome

    According to your reasoning I have been saved from the power of sin through deception after I repented, and because I was deceived I am still lost !?

    No. It is only according to your religion that faith in the crucifixion doctrine has ‘saved you from the power of sin’. If the crucifixion was a “deception”, then there is no benefit or salvation from the “power of sin” in believing in it or any religious doctrine that is based on it.

    Deception is the hallmark of the dominion of darkness, if you believe it to be a attribute of God, certainly in the aria of salvation, you are a willing victim. A lie has no power without deception. This is decisive to be able to discern if something is of God or from His opponent.

    I don’t believe that the alleged crucifixion has anything to do with the salvation of humanity. Rather, I believe that the crucifixion was the salvation of “Jesus” from those wanting to kill him and not the salvation through “Jesus” by which Christianity maintains that humanity must believe in to be saved. In Islam, God saved “Jesus” by not allowing him to be killed or crucified. Those who wanted to kill “Jesus” were deceived into thinking that they accomplished this task by the illusion of a crucified, killed “Jesus”. Those who fell for the illusion narrated it to others who were then deceived by it as well, while the followers of “Jesus” who knew better, were not.

    While you may not believe that God would conceal a portion of reality from the visual perception of people, it is clear from both the Bible and Qur’an that God does exactly that. Perhaps the best example of this, is the belief in the God-ordained existence and visual imperceptibility of the unseen. There are of course other, more specific, examples of God using deception against people, and specifically in the Bible, which Jean Markale referenced (ex: 1 Kings 22:22, Ezekiel 14:9, 2 Thessalonians 2:11). Therefore, the belief that the crucifixion was a deception that God used against those trying to kill “Jesus, would still be in accordance with how God is portrayed in the Bible.

    Once again thank you for your time, I will come with another more detailed respons. What is missing in your respons is your rebuttal in how I addressed the sin problem, and that is essential, because it contains the whole purpose of God in solving that problem.

    I already addressed the issue of sin. God can forgive sin without a blood sacrifice as a sin offering. This is clear in both the Bible (ex: 2 Chronicles 7:14, Isaiah 55:7) and the Qur’an (ex: 4:17, 4:110). Without the need for a blood sacrifice to remove sin, the Christian belief about the crucifixion is redundant and unnecessary.

    As for me I am willing to ‘go to the bottom’ of this, I hope you are too. If needed, you can contact me at Ricardo.Hotatio@gmail.com

    If this comment section closes before this discussion is finished, then I may consider it. Otherwise, I would prefer this discussion be public for the benefit of everyone.

    What I find difficult to accept is that you seem to want to have it both ways. On one hand the acceptance of the God of the Old and the New Testament, at the same time rejecting His message. If you reject the message of God, you reject God Himself. (See sin problem!)

    I accept the message of God. I just don’t agree with certain Christians and Jews on what that message is or means. It is possible to accept (or partially accept) something that is written, and reject an exegesis of it as unsound or false.

    The only reason why some writings are not part of the NT is that its content was not divine inspired and in many cases it is an evil attempt to spoil ‘Gods plan for salvation’! This is the exact same reason ‘we’ qualify Mohammed as a false prophet, subsequently it is not difficult for most of us to determine who is scheming this.

    The writings were not accepted as part of the NT, because they did not agree with a particular church’s doctrine. There were as many different canons of the NT as there were different church establishments in the early period. The standards by which NT writings were canonized were neither applied consistently nor universally to the extent that what was canonized by some churches was regarded as apocryphal by others, and vice versa. The current canon of the NT was not considered closed until the Tridentine Council of the 16th century CE, and it was only done in a sectarian fashion, to which, even to this day, disputes still remain. Genuine “inspiration” seems to have nothing to do with it, as I’m sure every church claimed the same thing about their canon. God’s plan for salvation has been what it’s always been – faith, obedience and sincere repentance for sins. Attempts to “spoil” this, would only be with claims to the contrary. Since Islam is consistent with this plan, then it is not a valid basis for rejecting Prophet Muhammad’s prophet-hood.

    A must read about the divinity of Christ:

    http://tinyurl.com/lmjudsy

    Having read it, I found it to be unconvincing.

    That the Jews are alleged to have accused him of claiming to be God (John 5:18, 10:33) is no more than a deliberate exaggeration on their part, for which “Jesus” is alleged to have rebuked them for (John 10:34-36). Interestingly, according to those passages, the Jews said that he made this claim while he is only a man, and on that point of him only being a man, he did not dispute that.

    As for the term “son of God”, it is an ancient idiom, which, in Hebrew, means (and is interchangeable with) the term “servant of God”. So the usage of this term in reference to “Jesus” does nothing to prove that he was divine. The Qur’an refutes that idiom’s usage when it is used literally by some Christians. Likewise, the term “Father” in reference to God is traditionally metaphorical. A lot of the alleged statements of “Jesus” in the NT that Christians use to prove the divinity of “Jesus” all can be probably be explained as metaphors, expressions, figures of speech or contextually in reference to something else. Oral communications often tend to utilize these forms of dialogue, and it is important to consider them when reviewing such statements. Also, the miracles of “Jesus” that are mentioned in the NT are more accurately defined as evidence of divine inspiration, not divinity.

    Denying the divinity of Christ is blasphemy see the first letter of John chapter 4

    The beginning of chapter 4 of John seems to about “Jesus” interacting with a Samaritan woman, so I am going to assume that you are referring to the beginning of chapter 4 of 1 John. However, there is nothing in the beginning of that chapter about denying the “divinity of Christ” being blasphemy. In fact, there is nothing substantial in that chapter about the “divinity of Christ” at all, but only about “Jesus” coming in the flesh, which isn’t the same thing.

    Paul made a prophetic declaration about these developements:

    Gal. 1:6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you by the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let him be eternally condemned! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let him be eternally condemned! 10 Am I now trying to win the approval of men, or of God? Or am I trying to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a servant of Christ. 11 I want you to know, brothers, that the gospel I preached is not something that man made up. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

    This is hardly a “prophetic declaration”, but a condemnation of those teaching anything different than what Paul was teaching. This was directed specifically against the disciples of “Jesus” (and their followers) from the Jerusalem Church, headed by James and Peter, that rejected Paul and his teachings. They were “Jewish Christians” known as “Nazarenes” and their successors were known as “Ebionites”. Their beliefs were similar to the beliefs of the Pharisees, except that they believed that “Jesus” was the promised Messiah (in the traditional Jewish sense) with some of them believing in his virgin birth. The Ebionites are said to have described Paul as a disingenuous Gentile convert to Judaism who sought fame by trying to create a new religion. The Jerusalem Church attempted to reconcile with him, which is said to have failed, and they permanently disassociated themselves from him.

    Needless to say, Paul’s Church eclipsed the Jerusalem Church, eventually coming to define Christianity and the rest is history. Thus, it is necessary for Christians today to accept Paul, because without Paul there would be no Christianity as it exists today. Since his teachings are also contrary to Islam, then I, as a Muslim, reject them and consequently an inclined to regard Paul as a false apostle.

    with curiosity I am awaiting your respons to my previous post, the one you will find below this one, or did you miss it?

    I did not miss it. It just did not appear for me until several hours after it was posted.

    I really appreciate our mutual respect for each other. This is important because truth should always be the common friend in human relationships. It is a waist to fight over truth, there is a calling in life to help each other to explore truth, since it is the gateway to freedom and (eternal) life for all of us.

    While I would agree, what is regarded as the truth varies by belief in what is true and what is not. Therefore, it may sometimes be important to discuss it in case it can result in something new or beneficial.

    In the meanwhile I found this wonderful exploration of the divinity of Christ, the man who asked the ultimate question a human being may ever here: ‘Who do you say, that I am?’. (Luke 9:20)

    Having already addressed that exploration, what is this reference to Luke 9:20 supposed to be about?

    I have to correct my self on the part of the sin problem, it was partially addressed. The part that was lacking was that repentance it self is insufficient because of the remaining helpless human independent condition.

    Generally, sincere repentance is sufficient for those seeking forgiveness for sin. The human condition of being prone to sin is exactly what it is meant to be, and isn’t going to change without changing human nature. However, regardless of being prone to something, engaging in it is always a choice and there is more value in choosing virtue than there is in simply not being able to choose anything else.

  • Yausari

    Associating partners with God is shirk. Witchcraft is the same thing, Cid.

    “Verily, Allah forgives not the sin of setting up partners in worship with Him, but He forgives whom He wills sins other than that. And whoever sets up partners in worship with Allah, has indeed strayed far from the path.” (4:116)

  • 1DrM

    Sounds like you’ve outlined the problem with your own radical yet failed “belief system,” Retardo. Your lies and continued evasiveness about answering simple questions show that you’re a complete coward who would be be out of your depth in a parking lot puddle. Dishonestly is hardwired to your “theology.” For a soulless cretin who openly supports terrorism against the peoples of the Middle East in the name of your twisted “beliefs,” you’re really one to complain about “comment moderation.”

    Since you have nothing better to do but waste the time of your betters peddling nonsense, I will repeat it again : You’re a cowardly extremist loser hiding behind a failed Satanic Christofascist religion, a total waste of space with zero redeeming value.

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