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“Ex-muslims” That Used To Hate And Retained Their Hatred

Ayaan Hirsi Ali

Many “ex-Muslims” hate Islam. One persistent narrative common in the celebrity ex-Muslim sphere is constructed as follows: once radical “Islamists” they were filled with hate, today as “ex Muslims” they claim to inform non-Muslims and the west that all Muslims are just as filled with hate and extremism as they were.
Today Mona Walter claims that “all Muslims” are as filled with hate as she once was and to support this she claims empirical evidence that Muslims worldwide supported attacks such as 9/11. Despite the fact that only 7 percent of the Muslims worldwide believed that the attacks against USA 2001 were justified, and only a fragment of those cheered when the twin towers collapsed.

  • The overwhelming majority of Muslims – 93 percent – condemned the Sep 11, 2001, attacks on New York and Washington, and most said the biggest obstacle to better relations with the West was the latter’s lack of respect for Islam.

Mona Walter, claims that all Muslims are like she supposedly was. But she was so extreme that most Muslims would have rebuked or condemned her. She belonged to the 7%, more probably the 1-2% or the most extreme radical “Islamists.”

Hirsi Ali

Another such famous ex-Muslim, that has retained her extremist views of Islam, is Ayaan Hirsi Ali.

In 2014 she gave a speech at Yale, Great Britain.  She explained that she had a teacher in Kenya had radical ideas about Islam that affected her very much. She became indoctrinated with his ideas about Jihad, hate against Christianity, western clothes, and that it was a good “to destroy the Jews” and “hang gays”. Bear in mind Hirsi Ali has a track record of lying as well.

He preached like all the others, incessantly about hell. … Jihad – we were to wage Jihad for the sake of Islam. Martyrdom, the best thing to ever happen to us was to die while fighting for Allah. We were to strive for the establishment of Sharia law in our society and beyond … be suspicious of Christians if they refused to convert to Islam … and aspire to destroy the Jews, all Jews, not only the ones in Israel. The preacher teacher would rant against gays, they were to be hanged, and women were to know their place … their place was at home (and they were to) sacrifice everything, even life and the lives of their children for the sake of Allah. … We were supposed to cover ourselves from head to toe when running errands outside the home.

This process of indoctrination that I describe, that affected me, I considered myself once a member of the Muslim Brotherhood, it’s this the process of indoctrination that I have seen from up close and personal that makes my experience relevant. It’s this process of indoctrination that is overlooked. We focus on the Jihad, the violence, but we ignore the Dahoa, we ignore the years and years and years of preaching.

If she is to be believed there is no doubt she had a weird childhood and youth.

In Kenya, she was beaten so severely by her Qur’an teacher that he fractured her skull. At Qur’an school, Hirsi Ali remembers a classmate who was bullied mercilessly for being a girl with an intact clitoris. … Hirsi Ali learned from her mother that Jews were her darkest enemy. In songs, children’s textbooks, and newspaper articles, Jews were routinely called pigs, donkeys, rats, and cockroaches. “Our religious tutors and the preachers in our mosques set aside extra time to pray for the destruction of Jews,” Hirsi Ali writes.

These claims are unverified but if true it is understandable that anyone in similar circumstances would flee such an environment of hate. What is not understandable is her continued hatred of Muslims. She still believes that all Muslims are as oppressive as those few that “affected” her in her youth.

There is no doubt that there is a lot of mutual hatred between Jews and Muslims in the Middle East and the surrounding parts of the world. PEW polls and reports that were published some years ago tell us that only 9% of Israeli Jews have a positive to Muslims. In the nations bordering to Israel only 1 to 6% of the Muslims have positive views of Jews. In Palestine 1%. The negativity ratings are high. Above 90% view Jews in a very unfavourable way in large parts of the Middle East.

Prejudices and hatred is not the same as wanting to murder innocent Jews and vice versa. I have seen no polls about Muslim attitudes to killing Jews  because they are Jews but would imagine that very few share that idea; in Europe and the USA hardly none.

The choice

This phenomena is one that is not limited to “exmuslims”. There are a number of “ex Jews” too that are gaining fame in parts of the world and that believe that all Jews are evil. One such is Israel Shamir, that is one of the most famous antisemites in Russia today. His worldview is similar to Hirsi Ali’s, and because of that he claims that all Jews are like he once was.

As a Muslim you face the same choice as a Jew or a Christian: to “love your neighbour” or hate him or her. To let the things that happen in the Middle East affect your heart and mind so you hate, or to love, despite power politics and wrongdoings of a corrupt elite.

As an “ex-Muslim”, or “Ex Jew” or “ex Christian” you face the same choice. Either you describe the religion you once belonged to in the worst possible way, or admit that not all are insane and radical. As an ex-Muslim that once was filled with hate, you face the choice to describe all Muslims as being as extreme as you once were, or to be more honest and show that most would not have agreed with the hate you once bore in your heart.

Unfortunately, too many “ex Muslims” claim that the view of Islam they once bore is the one all Muslims share: thus claiming that all of Islam and all Muslims are evil.

Edited 5/9 – Garibaldi

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  • Amie

    Well, Ali Hirsi and many others like her are a reflection of the oppressive regimes and ruthless cultural practices. We must ask ourselves as Muslims how well do we actually practice Islam? On the other hand, ex-Muslims hating Islam happens in secular societies as well. I have a cousin who married a man whose mother is a Christian and whose father is non-practicing Muslim. My cousin’s motto is: “My mother in law is a Christian Serb, so I am a Christian Serb.” She wears a cross, christened her children, eats pork, etc. When you talk to her, she attacks the Qur’an and all Islam as evil religion. What is mind-boggling is the fact that: a. she was never a practicing Muslim, b. her parents were never practicing Muslims, c. she never lived under “ruthless” Saudi-style “Sharia law,” d. it was Serb Christians that forced her to leave her hometown, etc. Yet, she claims she “read all of the” Qur’an and concluded that Islam is evil. Yet, there she is…. as fanatical Serb as one could get. Many fanatical Serbs would probably be jealous of her sense of Serbdom.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Distingush between Islam and Muslims? What sort of nonsense is that? I should not have read any further than that. But just so you know, I’ll explain:
    I simply reject any statement or attitude that can lead to genocide like that of Srebrenica or the rest of BiH. And the words of Islamophobes all the word over are exactly the ones that the Genocidal Greater serbo fascist anti-Bosniak crusaders uttered. They are quite similar to what Nazis say about Jews.
    Hate crimes against Muslims have been committed because of anti-Muslim hate speech. Those who committed said hate crimes, those who incited them with hate speech to commit said hate crimes, those who defend and justify the crimes committed against Bosniaks in 1941-45 and 1992-95, and who want to do more of that, deserve the very worst in the world.
    Yes, I want to return violence with violence because your suggestion that I turn teh other cheek is nothing but hypocrisy to me. Sanctimonious hypocrisy at that. I will not turn the other cheek. I will not be led like a lamb to the slaughter. I will not wait for earthly or heavenly justice. I will not wait for the world’s conscience to awaken. I will not be sacrificed for “peace in our time.”
    Since I’m not dealing with well-meaning Aunt Nellies but with vampires and mad dogs, I will say candidly that I’d like to give them their own medicine, and not too little of it, with my own hands.
    So you say you will dare attack me. I strongly advise you not to try. You dare to insult me. Be glad that we don’t meet in person. Do you think I’d allow someone to say zto my face things half as bad as yours? What kind of man would I be if I did that? And now GET THE HELL OUT OF MY LIFE! I haven’t invited you to discuss with me, so just SHUT YER TRAP! But don’t you dare give me lessons!

  • Alistair John

    You have to be very careful to distinguish between Islam and Muslims, and criticising Islam or Muslims is not a form of betrayal. Even fighting a Muslim is not necessarily any form of betrayal if you are fighting someone who throws gays from buildings or stones people to death, for instance. Whether you think violence is the answer to violence is another question.

    I dare do a lot of things and your hysteria is nothing to me. I don’t care if you are a devout Muslim or not, my only objection was your talk of punishing the ‘betrayal’ of Islam by Muslim apostates. And no-one can force an opinion on you.

    I would only call you terrorist if you have killed people. I might call you a bigot or Islamist if I was sure you supported the punishment of apostates from Islam. However, I am not sure you do, you are rather ambiguous overall.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Well, Emir Kusturica and Fikret Abdic were definitely born into Muslim families. But they were communist apparatchiks At least Fikret Abdic was one. And Emir Kusturica was a communist, as his older films show. Need I say more?

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Don’t you see that it’s plainly impossible to discuss things reasonably with someone who thinks and talks like Greater Serbofascist anti-Bosniak crusaders? The only thing you can say to them is, “You want my blood? You want my dead body? Come here and try to take it, if you’re man enough!”

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Get the hell out of here you genocidal fascist moron. When someone says that Islamophobia “does not exist”, for me it’s the same as if he said “there was no genocide at Srebrenica or anywhere in Bosnia.” In other words, he believes that people can be wasted for the sole reason of being Muslims. For their forenamers. To appropriate their land and belongings. “haslf a dozem Muslims you say. what CHUTZPAH!!! Approximately 60.000 Bosniaks, 8,347 alone at Serbrenica were foully murdered by barbaric Serb Christian (that’s what they prode themselves to be) crusaders in 1992-95. And you flatly DENY it! Don’t their lives count, you idiot? What do you want to do, by sweeping them under the rug murder them a second time?
    My, my, my , what kind of mother begot and raised you? I will for reaons of netiquellte refuse to speculate on if she did a lousy job at that or not.
    But one thing is for sure, who, like you, for any which ever reason, defends those who kill Muslims on grounds that “their reigion is backwards”, deserves himself to be rendered harmless – by any which ever way, because he’s a danger to people who happen to have Muslim forenames.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Ah, shut up already, you lying genocidal anti-Muslim PROPAGANDIST!

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Maybe you can’t, as you say, “betray a faith” But you can betray your people and that is something that can’t be forgiven, not in times of war. See Emir Kusturica and Fikret Abdic. And there are countless other ex-Muslims or self-hating who fight Muslims and who offer a propaganda platform to the enemies of Muslims, or actually join their ranks. LIke Ayaan Hirsi Ali. Joining ranks with the enemies of one’s people is something that can’t be forgiven either. I stand for the lives of my Bosniak brothers and sisters. Not for those of their enemies, and not for traitors. Also, I think that someone who standy by his convictions is more worthy than someone who drops them at the first hint of trouble. Furthermore, I refuse to discuss with atheist anti-Muslims who want to force their viewpoint on me. So don’t write back. If you have any notion of foisting more atheist crap on me, stuff it. Put it in your pipe and smoke it. But don’t you dare attack me. And now go ahead, call me a “terrorist.” See if I care.

  • Khizer

    What is the basis for this assertion?

    What the hell is this idiotic ‘Kafirophobia’ term?

    If All serious Muslims hated kafirs, then why the hell are there still indigenous religious groups (Coptic Christians, Zoroastrians, etc.) still remaining till this day in the countries that were conquered territories of Muslim empires in the past. Surely if Muslims HATE kafirs so much, they would have wiped them off the map, in the various conquered territories. This is not the case.

    In fact, Why the hell would Muslim men be allowed to (according to the Quran) marry Christian and Jewish women if according to Islam, Muslims must HATE kafirs?

    Your argument is baseless and full of holes.

  • winniec

    All Muslims must believe and practice the teaching of Al Wala wal Baraa…Kafirophobia…if they do not hate kafirs ‘for the sake of Allah’ they will go to Islamic hell. The contention that Muslims do not hate is thus shown to be bogus.

  • Muslims come to Western countries often out of desperation because the Western imperial powers have destabilized, invaded, and plundered their lands. It’s better to put up with some discrimination than it is to be under American bombs.

    Also, the immigration issue is a diversion from the topic. Islamophobia is the term used to describe prejudice and discrimination against Muslims. It definitely exists, and your own comments demonstrate.

    You seem unable to bring yourself to admit to wrongdoing when it’s committed by the West. So yours is a tribal stance, not a moral one. I find it easy to dismiss morally inconsistent arguments.

  • A variation on “A lot of my best friends are Muslims.” Very original.

  • No, it’s not “purely semantic.” She is talking about killing Muslims. How else do you defeat Islam militarily? Islam itself is not something you can bomb.

    The very fact you’re talking about what Hirsi said as if it’s reasonable tells me everything I need to know about you. You have no moral high ground to lecture anyone about anything.

  • Khizer

    Considering that many Muslim countries are being bombed to the Stone Age by the West (mostly the US), there are of course people who view Osama bin Laden, who opposed western plundering of the Muslim world, favourably. There are many who view the drone-striking West as a bigger demon than Osama bin Laden.

  • Not a single, solitary ex-muslim who talks or writes about Islam holds the beliefs you say they do, namely that they believe all the muslims they left behind to be evil and filled with hate

    Is that so? How about Ayan Hirsi, who says Islam needs to be defeated “militarily”? How do you defeat a religion using military force? You kill adherents. Here she is in her own words:

    Hirsi Ali: Only if Islam is defeated. Because right now, the political side of Islam, the power-hungry expansionist side of Islam, has become superior to the Sufis and the Ismailis and the peace-seeking Muslims.

    Reason: Don’t you mean defeating radical Islam?

    Hirsi Ali: No. Islam, period. Once it’s defeated, it can mutate into something peaceful. It’s very difficult to even talk about peace now. They’re not interested in peace.

    Reason: We have to crush the world’s 1.5 billion Muslims under our boot? In concrete terms, what does that mean, “defeat Islam”?

    Hirsi Ali: I think that we are at war with Islam. And there’s no middle ground in wars. Islam can be defeated in many ways. For starters, you stop the spread of the ideology itself; at present, there are native Westerners converting to Islam, and they’re the most fanatical sometimes. There is infiltration of Islam in the schools and universities of the West. You stop that. You stop the symbol burning and the effigy burning, and you look them in the eye and flex your muscles and you say, “This is a warning. We won’t accept this anymore.” There comes a moment when you crush your enemy.

    Reason: Militarily?

    Hirsi Ali: In all forms, and if you don’t do that, then you have to live with the consequence of being crushed.

    Of course the Western imperial powers are already bombing one Muslim-majority country after another, and have been for decades. They’re already following her policy prescription, though even most US leaders bother to distinguish between Islam and radical Islam, and make effort not to indict ALL Muslims.

    Not genocidal Hirsi. They’re all enemies who should be “crushed.”

  • I’m personally not a huge fan of the term “Islamophobia.” Nevertheless, there is prejudice and discrimination against Muslims for being Muslims, and that exists whatever word you use to describe it.

    Funny how your relative death tolls exclude Western imperial wars in places like Iraq. Naturally, since non-Muslims are slaughtering Muslims at staggering rates, and that wouldn’t fit your narrative.

  • dredlove1066

    ”…Yale, Great Britain” Interesting Jerlerup. Like all the pieces here brilliantly (and impartially) researched. Not.

    Why don’t you explain your background anywhere on this site? You’re welcome to your views but it would be interesting to know your ethnicity and religion. I think that’s only fair and accurate. If I had a website supporting Holocaust denial and kept secret that I was german and my parents and grandparents were staunch nazis the website would have, how shall I put it, less honesty.

    This site is dedicated to the essentially non-existent phenomenon of ‘Islamophobia’. Sorry, that’s inaccurate of me isn’t it – half a dozen muslims have indeed been killed by us right wing loons over the last 10 years. Versus the tens of thousands of Christians, Jews and (insufficiently muslim!) Muslims killed in the name of Islam over the last 5 years. I am not denying that Islamophobia, whatever that precisely means, does not exist, I’m just saying your site is treating it as an evil of the same magnitude as Islamofascism. Which is patently absurd.

    The other thing I find intriguing about your site is the absence of any stories which don’t fit your Weltanschauung (world-view). That displays a fundamental hollowness to your arguments. I mean there are lots of stories of people reaching out to muslim communities when they have been targeted by a ‘hate-crime’, as here: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/06/06/community-has-amazing-response-disgusting-anti-islam-graffiti/

    On the subject of this precise article I cannot honestly recall reading such a stupid and dishonest conclusion. It is quite simply wholly inaccurate, displaying a feature common to a number of the articles here – the straw man argument. That shows how out of depth and profoundly ignorant you are, if I can indulge in an ad hominem attack!

    Not a single, solitary ex-muslim who talks or writes about Islam holds the beliefs you say they do, namely that they believe all the muslims they left behind to be evil and filled with hate. Not one. To put it in the way you have is dissembling, demonstrates your lack of integrity, and belittles the exceptional dangers people who abandon Islam face. Do you think ex-muslims are not viewed as apostates by their co-religionists? Do you not think it would be dangerous to be an apostate in, say, Pakistan? or Bangladesh? or The Sudan? or Iran? or Saudi Arabia? or Indonesia? (bored yet?) shall we just say ‘Any Muslim Country’?

    Nothing you have written has in anyway diminished the arguments Hirsi Ali makes by the way, whatever the alleged inconsistencies in her life story. Islam is backwards – take any metric of human success. It is violent-look at the numbers who kill in its name. And it is not open to enlightenment – look at the numbers of muslims coming to the West and look at the numbers of Westerners moving to muslim nations. Which brings me neatly back to my initial question, let’s have some honesty, where are you from and what religion are you? And yes I’m white, male and christian.

  • I find the 7% number odd.

    “Osama bin Laden, however, is viewed favorably by large percentages in Pakistan (65%), Jordan (55%) and Morocco (45%).” http://www.people-press.org/2004/03/16/a-year-after-iraq-war/

  • I made it. 🙂

  • JD

    My point was when ever there is a “Liberal”secular” form of Islam it is A) ignored or B) there is always a regime change or something for self interest that brings in the extremists Mullah or recently ISIS. If Russia didn’t stop nations from interfering on behalf of the Syrian people that war would been over long ago and ISIS would been a forgotten chapter in History . Since they have bases out of self interest they ignore death women kids and old…

    2) Never said anything about western standards and progress just pointing out the above if you have a inferiority complex about where ever you are and the west and that is on you..

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Yes, rather out of good will. Of course who remains true to Islam in the face of temptation is more worthy. Yet, who truly asks for forgiveness, I’m sure he won’t be refused. As I said, it’s difficult. Could I forgive Emir Kusturica for betraying his faith and his people? If he repented in earnest I would probably have to. But he won’t do it. Well, let him go to Hell if that’s what he wants. Would I welcome some Serb who comes to Islam? Most certainly I would. Or if he just asks for forgiveness for what his people did to Bosniaks? For once (but really only once) I’d give him the benefit of the doubt.
    However we can thank Allah swt and feel happy for the fact that many, many more people convert to Islam than turn away from it. That has been so through history and is true today and tomorrow. Maybe it was meant so that who sees the truth and comes to Islam despite all people around him being against it will be rewarded. I don’t know, I’d have to ask someone who is really knowledgeable. May Allah swt guide me right.

  • 1DrM

    95% of “Ex-Muslims” were never part of the Ummah to begin with. The internet is full of pretenders and their stories are lame atheist fan fiction. You will also find some low class, poorly raised desis and Arabs suffering from inferiority complex + identity crisis raised in a hostile post 9/11 society unable to differentiate between culture and religion. Lots of sexual deviants too. Actual apostates would just call themselves atheists and get on with life instead of using the “Ex-Muslim” label. The same crew played “progressive Muslims” a decade and more ago.

    Follow the money. I know atleast one writer at the secular/liberal nutter Pakistani Express Tribute who is cool with the Zionist anti-Muslim Clarion Fund. Their scheme is to encourage apostasy among Muslims, lower morale, and destigmatize the haram while criminalizing the halal. Allah(swt) is the BEST of planners. The munafiqs and murtads are deluding themselves.

  • Riz

    I agree brother.. Every individual’s reward is with Allah… There were incidents that some apostate who returned back to Islam during Umar. r.a, died in a fazr prayer in friday… I am not doubting that brother

    What i am in doubt is that, Will the apostate who return back to Islam be given more rewards than a believer who has been in Islam and has faced Allah’s test but still was sincere in Islam?

    Thats why i asked you, whether you are saying as a Good will or is there actually an hadith to back it up.

  • Friend of Bosnia

    Yes, actually I wonder where that comes from. Sounds nice though.
    I’d be happy for an apostate who returns to Islam, then there would be no need to kill him and he shoud be given opportunity to repent. But he should be forgiven then, right? However, what if he does it again? And also, suppose Radovan Karadzic would become Muslim. Does that mean that he should be forgiven then? I suppose so. But it’s difficult. Not that it’s likely to ever happen.
    On the other hand, many, many more people come to Islam than turn away from it. The actual number of apostates from Islam is very small. That’s why they seem so notorious. So we should not worry about that. Allah swt will give everyone their due.

  • Khizer

    I always wondered why some of these ex-Muslims, not all, always join up or align themselves with reactionary groups/sentiments such as the alt-right (the *new* secular right wing) especially when it comes to Muslims in western countries or abroad. These guys left the ummah because they weren’t ‘tolerant’ enough, and then suddenly turn to intolerant secular reactionary groups and start demanding for Muslim human/religious rights to be curtailed, or promote hatred of Islam and Muslims.

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