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EDL’s Rabbi Nachum Shifren: “Torah Says Kill Fags”

Rabbi Nachum Shifren

Rabbi Nachum Shifren who we have featured for his outlandish and extreme statements here, Rabbi: Nachum Shifren: Riding the Tidal Wave of Islamophobia and more recently Rabbi Nachum Shifren: EDL is the Salvation of the West from “Muslim Dogs” was questioned at London’s Speakers Corner on his hypocrisy and double standards.

The question was posed to him as to how he can consider himself a part of the EDL which says that it is fighting Muslims for persecuting gays and killing apostates when his own holy book, The Torah calls for the murder of gays and apostates. Shifren at first attempted to say that there is no such law in the Torah, when it was recited to him, he first attempted to deflect the question but then admitted that yes it was in the Bible.

So how does this reflect on the EDL?

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  • Simurgh

    Here is a pic of the EDL leader attending a BNP meeting with a known anti-semite and holocaust denier:

  • Khushboo

    Is this guy for real? Is he really a rabbi? He’s a angry nutjob!

  • Nur Alia

    All through history ‘certian groups’ of people have aligned themselves to further thier agendas. Eventhough, if they didnt have a common enemy, they would destroy each other.

    This is one case. EDL and Zionists.

  • Nur Alia

    All through history ‘certian groups’ of people have aligned themseves with anyone who further thier causes.

    In this case, it is both groups.

  • Sylvester, the EDL are not Christians nor represent Christianity, in that mainstream Christian churches reject the EDL. They’re white supremacists and they tend to reject Jesus because he was a Jew. Or if they do accept him it’s to make him out to be some kind of racist like themselves. They don’t like Jews either, but since Israel is not recognised by many Muslims countries they automatically think they have a natural ally in Zionists. That’s why the Israeli flag plays a prominent role in their demo’s. They use it to provoke a reaction from Muslims.

    But your point is correct, Judaism accepts monotheisms like Islam, Druze, Bnei Noachim, as being an alternative route to God, but reject Christianity because of the deificationon.


    Please keep the white power/Christian supremacist language away from here. The “goyim” in this case the EDL are NOT doing the “Rabbi’s” bidding.

    I can recognise those who genuninely care for Palestinians, and those who use the cause as a cover for their own bigotry/inferiority complex and turn up in every thread to lend “support” for the wrong reasons.

  • moorishamerican

    Another rabid zionist whipping up the European goyim to do their bidding, which in essence is the nature of this phoney “war on terror.”

  • Jericho Adams

    OK. I am not dome sort or ancient manuscript interpretor…I am not a theological expert either. I am a gay man living in the United States. Why Islam is being singled out in hating gays, I have no idea. The Christians, in my own country, do it on a daily basis. The quote passages from the Old Testament to use against homosexuality. The entire headline on Facebook about this subject is a total hypocrisy. EVERY major “organized” religion, to my knowledge is against us. When will all of you (ALL OF YOU) stop clinging to your antiquated excuses for hating your fellow human beings? I am not condemning your religions, but do you honestly believe that the true interpretations of the various “Holy Books” was to spread discrimination, intolerance, and hate? Can anyone think outside of the box here, and realize that those laws applied to a people thousands of years ago, and may not apply today? The Christian Old Testament says (and don’t quote the exact words here) if you eat a shrimp or touch a pig/pork something horrible should be done to you? I work at a restaurant and we serve shrimp here (and pork). should I go on a killing spree? C’mon people.

  • sylvester

    judaism’s greatest scholar musa ibn maymun aka rambam considered christianity to be idolatry and said islam is free from idolatry.

    in Numbers 15:32-35, the story was told of a man whom Yahweh ordered Moses to stone to death for having picked up sticks on the sabbath.

    the man was executed for picking up sticks on sabbath day.if nachum shifren existed back then, what would happen to him if he were caught assisting pagans who claimed that yhwh was HANGING off a cross crying out “elai elai why have you fosaken me” ??

    one jew says,

    Ideally, Eretz Yisraél should be free from all idolatry—which includes chrstianity (but not Islam)—and, God willing, in the time of the King-Mashiyaḥ it will be so. However, until that time, we have to tolerate idol-worshippers in our “midst”.

    Moreover, God commands us in His Torah to loathe and despise all idol-worshippers (and, again, that includes chrstians)….

    פְּסִילֵ֥י אֱלֹֽהֵיהֶ֖ם תִּשְׂרְפ֣וּן בָּאֵ֑שׁ לֹֽא־תַחְמֹד֩ כֶּ֨סֶף וְזָהָ֤ב עֲלֵיהֶם֙ וְלָֽקַחְתָּ֣ לָ֔ךְ פֶּ֚ן תִּוָּקֵ֣שׁ בּ֔וֹ כִּ֧י תֽוֹעֲבַ֛ת יְיָ֥ אֱלֹהֶ֖יךָ הֽוּא׃ וְלֹֽא־תָבִ֤יא תֽוֹעֵבָה֙ אֶל־בֵּיתֶ֔ךָ וְהָיִ֥יתָ חֵ֖רֶם כָּמֹ֑הוּ שַׁקֵּ֧ץ ׀ תְּֽשַׁקְּצֶ֛נּוּ וְתַעֵ֥ב ׀ תְּֽתַֽעֲבֶ֖נּוּ כִּי־חֵ֥רֶם הֽוּא׃”Burn the carved statues of their gods in a fire; don’t desire the silver or gold that decorates them and take it for yourself in case it entraps you: it is disgusting to Adonai your God. Don’t bring anything disgusting like that [i.e. like the precious metals that decorate the gentiles’ idols] into your house or you will become ḥérem like them [i.e. like the idol-worshippers] — you are to feel total revulsion and utter disgust for each of them because they are ḥérem.” (D’varim 7:25-26)

    and I repeat that this includes chrstianity, which IS idolatry (whether chrstians like to admit it or not).”

    so whats going on here?

  • Daniel

    Irony abounds here, doesn’t it?

    He talks about “not one” American would ever harm the English…and totally ignores that in very recent history, the number one supporter of IRA terrorism was from American donations (not government, but the government did precious little to stop it.). He claims that Muslims “wouldn’t bother” going through the complex judicial procedure to prove apostasy…really? Since when is HE an expert on Islamic law? He keeps calling the questioner a “liar” after it was clear that the questioner was telling the truth.

    What a bigoted loon.

  • Arman

    Bible or Qur’an?

    Kill People Who Don’t Listen to Priests:
    Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

    Kill Witches:
    You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

    Kill Homosexuals:
    “If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives.” (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

    Death for Adultery:
    If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

    Death for Fornication:
    A priest’s daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

    Death to Followers of Other Religions:
    Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

    Kill Nonbelievers:
    They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

    Kill Sons of Sinners:
    Make ready to slaughter his sons for the guilt of their fathers; Lest they rise and posses the earth, and fill the breadth of the world with tyrants. (Isaiah 14:21 NAB)

    God Will Kill Children:
    The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered.” O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don’t give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, “All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children.” (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

    Kill Men, Women, and Children:

    “Then I heard the LORD say to the other men, “Follow him through the city and kill everyone whose forehead is not marked. Show no mercy; have no pity! Kill them all – old and young, girls and women and little children. But do not touch anyone with the mark. Begin your task right here at the Temple.” So they began by killing the seventy leaders. “Defile the Temple!” the LORD commanded. “Fill its courtyards with the bodies of those you kill! Go!” So they went throughout the city and did as they were told.” (Ezekiel 9:5-7 NLT)

  • Umr

    @Jihadbob u lying fat sack of sh*t!

    Exactly where in the Quran does it tell you to kill your children in the name of honour?? C’mon son! Put your money where your mouth is! You rant on like your opinion deserves some sort of credibility… well here’s your chance to prove yourself right.

    We’re all patiently waiting for those verses??

    Remember if you have no evidence to prove your point then you will always be treated like the lying sack of sh*t (Robert Spencer) that you always were.

    Lets settle this once and for all!

    Verses please???

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