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Loonwatch Stands with Protests for Freedom in Egypt

Loonwatch, like many around the world has been glued to events in Egypt. Will it go the way of Tunisia, full blown revolution, or will brutal repression quell the revolt as happened in Iran?

Only time will tell. You can follow the live stream of what is happening in Egypt at AlJazeera’s Live Stream.

The governments of the West in general and the US in particular have given luke warm platitudes about their support for peace, rights etc. Hillary Clinton in the beginning stages of the protests this week left a sour taste in the mouths of the protestors when she essentially extended her support for the Mubarak regime,

I urge all people to exercise restraint. I support the fundamental right of expression, but our assessment is that the Egyptian government is stable and is looking for ways to respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people

This is realpolitik speak that translates to “we want the status quo” and the Egyptian people know it and they resent it because it exposes the hypocrisy of the so-called beacon of “democracy and freedom.”

Vice President Joe Biden blurted out some hours ago what perhaps may be the true sentiments/wishes of the US government:

Mubarak is no dictator, he shouldn’t step down…

How out of touch is Biden? Is he blind? Does he think we are children?

Today Hillary Clinton came out with a statement that on its surface seems to contradict Biden’s revelatory position,

“People in the Middle East, like people everywhere, are seeking a chance to contribute and have a role in decisions that will shape their lives…The Egyptian government needs to understand that violence will not make these grievances go away”

While these statements indicate an improvement in rhetoric they fall far short of a condemnation of the violence and repression perpetuated by the Mubarak regime.

The events in Tunisia and Egypt have all but thrown a wrench in the stereoptypes perpetuated by anti-Arab/anti-Muslim racists and Islamophobes.

It proves that regime change need not come at the point of a gun, and that Democracy can be born in the Middle East through organic change from the grass roots as opposed to the Bush Doctrine.

It proves that the stereotype that Arabs and Muslims are incapable of change unless it be either theocratic or despotic is a racist lie. These protests are for better living conditions, jobs and DEMOCRACY!

It also proves that despite attempts at enflaming sectarian division between Muslim and Christian Egyptians by extremists in both the extremist Muslim and anti-Muslim camps they are more united than ever. During protests Egyptian Copts protected their Muslim brethren as they prayed and vice versa!

It exposes quite clearly the hypocrisy and double standards of many in the West who give zero credit to the Arab and Muslim peoples, it also exposes their close link and dealings with decadent despotic regimes. We can’t help but notice the difference between the reaction to protests in Iran and these protests, can it be that denunciations are affected by how friendly or adverse one is to the regime in question?

The Egyptian people have tasted liberation, have tasted the idea that they can take destiny into their own hands and bring about —real change– that can lead to a brighter future, may they succeed in transitioning to Democracy.

Update #1: Tear gas canisters are…drum roll…MADE IN THE USA:

Update #2: From mp11,

“Spencer is having a hard time turning the protests in Tunisia and Egypt into a Jihad.

In his latest offering he tells his stupid readers that when Muslims call for democracy and freedom they are in fact calling for Shariah.

“Calls for democracy effectively amount to calls for Islamic rule.”

Update #3: Some 2,000-3,000 people thronged around a military vehicle near Cairo’s Tahrir square, a Reuters witness said. They climbed on it, shaking hands with the soldiers, and chanted: “The army and the people are united” and “The revolution has come”. (AlJazeera English)

Update #4: Mubarak breaks his silence, attempts to look defiant. Is he adding fuel to the fire?

Update #5: King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia speaks, “No Arab and Muslim human being can bear that some infiltrators, in the name of freedom of expression, have infiltrated into the brotherly people of Egypt, to destabilize its security and stability and they have been exploited to spew out their hatred in destruction, intimidation, burning, looting and inciting a malicious sedition,'” the news agency said.

Some autocratic ally of ours is scared isn’t he?

Update #6: “‘Democracy is something beautiful,’ said Eli Shaked, who was Israel’s ambassador to Cairo from 2003 to 2005, in an interview with SPIEGEL ONLINE. Nevertheless, it is very much in the interests of Israel, the United States and Europe that Mubarak remains in power.‘”

Update #7: “Which would I rather have, the autocrat or the Islamic radical Democracy,? I don’t know, that’s a question that’ll keep me up at night” –Geraldo Rivera

Rivera should keep looking for Al Capone’s secret safe and not talk about things he has no knowledge of makes him sound really stupid.

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  • Khushboo

    Very informative Garo. Thanks!

  • Awesome

    Ironically, it was probably the Coptic church bombing that enabled this revolution to even happen (the “Jasmine revolution” in Tunisia being the ultimate trigger), as only in its aftermath, did the Egyptians unite, and only when they united, did their grievances against Mubarak’s regime finally manifest themselves.

    This reveals one, important fact; tyranny cannot rule a united people.

  • Garo

    For the last eight weeks,I have been glued to Al-Jazeera,following the great revolutions that have been taken place first in Tunisia and now in Egypt. For those who missed knowing how the whole episode started,here is an outline:

    It started when Mhhammad bu Azizi,an educated Tunisian who could not find a job and ended-up selling fruits on a rather large cart in the streets to make a living. Even that attempt of his to sustain life was taken away from him by the security militia of Zain El-abideen bin Ali,the former President/dictator of Tunisia for the last 23 years,and who appointed himself as President of Tunisia for life.

    Giving up making a living,Muhammad bu Azizi set himself on fire in a street,for the whole world to see. He died. He was the genuine CATALYST for the national conscience of the Tunisian people to run to the streets in the thousands,demanding the removal of bin Ali and his government from power. In the first three weeks of demonstrations more than 120 Tunisians were killed by bin Ali’s militia. The more blood spelled in the streets of Tunisia,the stronger the people’s demand had become for the removal of bin Ali from power. Eventually,bin Ali fled the country to find out no country was willing to accept him,even those Western countries which he served well and protected their interests in Tunisia at the time of public anger at the Western powers which were behind his ascenscion to power in 1987,from the military. Based on its human dimensions,Only Saudi Arabia had allowed his plane to land on its soil and accepted him as a guest,under the condition that he would refrain from any political activity while he is a guest in Saudi Arabia.

    What the world is witnessing is a genuine revolution in Egypt,was CATALYZED by what has been taken place in Tunisia. The name Muhammad bu Azizi will be engraved in the minds of the Tunisian people and written in history books as the spark that started the Tunisian Revolution and Egyptian Revolution as well. And who knows where all of this going to do to other tyrants in the world!

    It seems to me that what is taking place in Egypt,(population of 80 million),is a historical event of unmeasurable dimensions,at the moment, on the future of the whole Middle East region and possibly the rest of the world. That is so because Egypt is a sleeping giant who has just started moving to unshakle 30 years of tyranny/dictatorship under Hosni Mubarak.

    Yes,indeed,a giant in the making!

    Before closing,I wish to thank Garboldi,the editor of,for paying the correct measure of attention,in form and substance,to what has been taken place in,”Tahreer Square”,(Freedom Square),in the middle of the city of Cairo,Egypt. I was there so many times in the 1970’s and 1980’s. It was a vast Square,then. Perhaps,it is now even more so. I truly loved Cairo,its Nile River,Museum,Pyramids and intellictual life,especially in the Arabic language and its literatures. Fascinating,indeed!

    I wish the people of Egypt the best of success in their genuine revolution.

  • Patriots Question 9/11

    Mubarak could have used his friendship with Israel to bring about regional peace and a Palestine for the Palestinians, but as Khushboo said, he’s only interested in swelling his bank account.

    The only positive thing he did, was hold the country back from war.

    I don’t want violence in Egypt, nor do I wish Mubarak any harm or humiliation, he should be helped down in a dignifed manner, and his amassed wealth should be handed back to the Egyptian coffers to invest in schools, hospitals and business opportunities in Egypt.

    Though he made “peace” with Israel it was only for his own benefit, not for Israel, nor for the Palestinians.

  • Khushboo

    According to CNN news yesterday, over the 30 yrs. Mubarak has decapitated people who opposed him. According to the Daily show last night, the reason why he’s cooperative with US and Israel is because of the $1.4 billion he receives annually. He never helped the situation in Israel though. According to Colbert’s guest last night, Samer Shehata, 83 million are rising against Mubarak. How did he become leader again?

    He doesn’t deserve any respect from US or Israel!

  • Justin


    Sorry about that. It was a good comment.

  • Khushboo

    ^ Porky is right. All is well now.

  • Masa

    Halalpork, your repeated posts worked! I BELIEVE YOU! Isam and Democracy cannot work! NEVER.

    Damn you Loonwatch! DAMNYOUH

  • muhammad ‘abd-al haqq

    Syed Says:

    “Halalpork has posted the exact same content at different times thrice. He is clearly not interested in debate. I hope the loonwatch admins have some policy on spamming the message boards.”

    i’m with Syed here…haram pork is not only trolling, but spamming here!And jahilBob is showing his true colors. Never do i want hear him say he doesn’t hate Muslims. It’s clear now.

    Allahu A’lam

  • NassirH

    Whoa, just look at Bob’s insane post! Let’s see…is that a death wish?!

    You know Bob, for someone as openly full of contempt for Muslims, Leftists, and everyone else you disagree with as you, you sure are touchy.

  • muhammad ‘abd-al haqq

    Patriots Question 9/11 Says:

    “The alternative, is to re-install the Khilafah, which would be the best route of all. It has democratic values, and respects rights of all to be what they want, and it has limits already built in, which everyone knows and nobody can change. There is comfort in familiarity. Democracy lacks that comfort. Hitler came in through a democracy.”

    i actually agree with Patriots here. This Modernist trend that i am noticing among many mainstream Muslims is alarming to me. The Modernist position assumes Western concepts of modernity as the standard. Thus Western democracy is seen as a model to emulate, while it is assumed that Khilafah refers to dynastic monarchy or authoritarian theocracy. Khilafah is Islamic democracy and that some groups used its symbolism to appropriate power for themselves is unfortunate. This is really what was a product of the times. Rashid Al-Ghannoushi errs when he assumes that Khilafah is not a religious notion.

    Allahu A’lam

  • Syed

    Halalpork has posted the exact same content at different times thrice. He is clearly not interested in debate. I hope the loonwatch admins have some policy on spamming the message boards.

  • Rob

    Very interesting interview with Rashid Al-Ghannoushi, an “Islamist” leader who returned to Tunisia:

    …ahan Abedin – You are widely regarded as a reformist in the international Islamist current. In your interview with Al-Jazeera on 22 January you appeared to categorically reject the Islamic Caliphate in favour of democracy. Is this the culmination of your reformist Islamist thought?

    Rashid Al-Ghannoushi – This is the authentic and realistic position. The notion of Khilafah (Caliphate) is not a religious one as some groups claim. It reflects a period of time.

    Mahan Abedin – Is your embrace of democracy strategic or tactical?

    Rashid Al-Ghannoushi – It is strategic. Democracy is crucial to dealing with and reconciling different and even conflicting interests in society. Islam has a strong democratic spirit inasmuch as it respects religious, social and political differences. Islam has never favoured a monolithic state. Throughout their history Muslims have objected to the imposition of a single all-powerful interpretation of Islam. Any attempt to impose a single interpretation has always proven inherently unstable and temporary.

  • Mosizzle

    If anyone wants to read about the proposed changes then see here:

    Let’s face it: the real problem is the misuse of the law. Once that is cut out, the law is just symbolic. No one really commits blasphemy anyway.

  • Mosizzle

    “Zardaari and his government can not dare to touch the black blasphemy laws of Pakistan.Is that democracy,where minorities are crushed under the hees of Muslim majority”

    What a lie. Believe it or not, the ulema of Pakistan from the Council of Islamic Ideology, which represents Muslims of all sects, have been calling for an amendment to the Blasphemy law since 2001, where any person who falsely accuses another person of blasphemy (most of the time) it is the accuser who is put to death. That would have stopped any villagers from trying to kick Christians off their land using the law. Also, blasphemy cases could only be judged at the highest Islamic court (made up of 5 regular judges and 3 religious scholars) not the local courts where local “mullahs” would influence the decision.

    Mysteriously, the US-backed Musharraf government and the US-backed Zardari government have been ignoring the Federal Shariat Court’s recommendation? Hmmm…

    The Court also ruled that anyone blaspheming against Jesus would face the same punishment.

  • Khushboo

    I know it’s difficult to resist and I wish he could be kicked out of this site for spewing repetitive hateful nonsense but do not feed the troll people. Harampork is doing a great job proving to others what a loon he really is. After all, this is Loonwatch and he proves our point.


  • http://gmail halal pork

    Islam and democracy can not co-exist.Islam and auto-cracy can ive togather because the auto-crats can use Islam as a useful tool.Loon watch is another tool for Islam because can not stand any opinion opposing and exposing Islam and its founder.

  • Dawood

    That was me! 😀

  • Justin

    Why is your nonsense still continually vomiting over our screen every time we check the site, if that’s the case, halalpork?

    Good point, Mosizzle. No one here is censoring him.

  • Justin


    Isam [sic] and democracy can not co-exist.

    Millions of Muslims would disagree. Rather, you don’t want them to co-exist.

  • http://gmail halal pork

    Isam and democracy can not co-exist.Islam and auto-cracy can ive togather because the auto-crats can use Islam as a useful tool.Loon watch is another tool for Islam because can not stand any opinion opposing and exposing Islam and its founder.

  • http://gmail halal pork

    Mosizzle ;You say that there is a chance that Pakistan may be taken over by Clerics.For yor kind information,Pakistan is already under the grip of clerics.Zardaari and his government can not dare to touch the black blasphemy laws of Pakistan.Is that democracy,where minorities are crushed under the hees of Muslim majority?It is more ike ISLAMO-FACISM.You have got to eradicate Isam to have democracy to breath in a Muslim country.Democracy can never survive under Islam.

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