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Al Arabiya Poll: Some Arabs Justify 9/11 And Deny Al-Qaeda’s Culpability; I Say: Yeah, So What? (II)

In part I, I discussed the new Al Arabiya poll, of questionable validity, that is making the rounds in the anti-Muslim cyber-world.  Another finding of the poll, per MEMRI:

Out of the 220,000 Arabs who participated, 23% believed Al-Qaeda was responsible for the 9/11 attacks and 26% did not.

Anti-Muslim websites are absolutely beside themselves at how unbelievably gullible Moozlums are, how they are miserably steeped in conspiracy theories, and how they can’t just admit the fact that Moozlums did 9/11.  Yet, as the Al Arabiya article, which the Islamophobes themselves linked to (but can’t read), says: these findings are not much different than those of other places in the world, including the West.

Indeed, we find that outside of the United States there is “no consensus who was behind Sept 11” as noted in this Reuters article:

No consensus on who was behind Sept 11: global poll

Seven years after the September 11 attacks, there is no consensus outside the United States that Islamist militants from al Qaeda were responsible, according to an international poll published on Wednesday.

The survey of 16,063 people in 17 nations found majorities in only nine countries believe al Qaeda was behind the attacks on New York and Washington that killed about 3,000 people in 2001.

On average, 46 percent of those surveyed said al Qaeda was responsible, 15 percent said the U.S. government, 7 percent said Israel and 7 percent said some other perpetrator. One in four people said they did not know who was behind the attacks.

The poll was conducted by WorldPublicOpinion.org, a collaborative project of research centers in various countries managed by the Program on International Policy Attitudes at the University of Maryland in the United States.

In Europe, al Qaeda was cited by 56 percent of Britons and Italians, 63 percent of French and 64 percent of Germans. The U.S. government was to blame, according to 23 percent of Germans and 15 percent of Italians…

Therefore, the fact that 26% of Arabs don’t believe Al-Qaeda is to blame, according to the Al Arabiya poll, is not completely out of line with world opinion.

That only in the United States is there a consensus that Al-Qaeda did it is not something very surprising, considering that the U.S. government quickly, repeatedly, and emphatically pointed the finger at Al-Qaeda.

But, you know who else the government blamed?  Iraq.

These anti-Muslim bigots are snickering at how these Moozlums are just so absolutely stupid for thinking Israel or America could be involved in the 9/11 attack, when in fact the entire country–led by neoconservatives, Zionists, and anti-Muslim bigots like them–invaded a country on the false belief (the conspiracy theory) that Iraq was linked to Al-Qaeda and had something to do with 9/11.

Indeed, a January 2004 poll by Newsweek found that a majority of Americans (49% vs. 39%) believed that “Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks of September 11th, 2001.”  Amazingly, long after even the Bush administration admitted they were wrong, 41% of Americans still believed that Saddam Hussein’s regime in Iraq was responsible for 9/11 (as seen in a June 2007 Newsweek poll).  This is a belief that Americans continue to cling on to even today!  Oh, but how utterly deluded those Moozlums are for thinking Israel was involved!  

Israel National News says:

Only 23 percent believe that Al Qaeda was behind the attacks, while a large number – 26 percent – think that the terrorist organization did not plan and carry out the hijack-bombings….

In Iran, the percentage of those denying  Al Qaeda’s involvement is even higher. The government controlled press continues to claim that the official version of 9/11 is false and that unaccounted for explosions brought down the Twin Towers in New York City.

How absolutely primitive of a government to issue statements blaming someone other than Al-Qaeda for 9/11!  That is totally unlike completely similar to the U.S. government linking Iraq to Al Qaeda and 9/11.  As Prof. Stephen Walt pointed out, this was all done with Israeli encouragement.  And now, the Israelis are blaming Iraq Iran.

All of this was perfectly depicted in a Family Guy clip:

Interestingly, even in the United States, “more than a third of the American public suspects that federal officials assisted in the 9/11 terrorist attacks or took no action to stop them so the United States could go to war in the Middle East, according to a new Scripps Howard/Ohio University poll.”  So really, what’s the big deal if 26% of Arabs don’t believe 9/11 was done by Al-Qaeda?

Of note also is the fact that it is almost conventional wisdom, often heard even by liberals (implied, for instance, by Michael Moore in Fahrenheit 911 and even the dog in the Family Guy in clip above), that Saudi Arabia has responsibility for 9/11 (“it was the Saudis that were involved, not Iraq”).  This utterly ignorant idea is seriously discussed in somber terms.  Whether it’s Israel, Iraq, Iran, or Saudi Arabia, the fact is that Muslims do not have a monopoly on 9/11 conspiracy theory.  There is plenty to go around.

In any case, the fact that the United States weaponized 9/11, by using it as an excuse to bomb, invade, and occupy multiple Muslim countries makes more Muslims gravitate towards 9/11 conspiracy theories, for reasons that should be patently obvious.

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MEMRI also notes, commenting on the Al Arabiya poll:

16% considered the assassination of Osama bin Laden a criminal act, 48% did not, and 36% were undecided.

The assassination was definitely illegal under international law, for multiple reasons: Firstly, it involved the flagrant violation of Pakistan’s sovereignty; would there be any question about legality if Pakistani commandos landed on Ellis Island?  The illegality of this act is not limited to the capture of Osama bin Laden, but can be seen in the continued violation of Paksitan’s sovereignty on a day-to-day basis with U.S. drone attacks that maim scores of civilians.

Secondly, Osama bin Laden was unarmed and yet was shot dead.  If we were truly a civilized people, someone wouldn’t really need to explain why it is illegal to shoot unarmed men.  Bin Laden was killed so that he wouldn’t face trial, which is a bedrock of our legal system.  This too is not limited to Osama bin Laden, as the U.S. has a hit-list out for other American citizens too.  Furthermore, the government continues to deny countless number of Muslims the right to a trial.

Thirdly, there is the larger issue, which is all the illegal actions that took place between the time the Taliban agreed to hand over Osama bin Laden, an offer which the U.S. refused, to the time the U.S. assassinated him.  If all of these actions (i.e. the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.) were part of America’s strategy to capture Bin Laden, then certainly this entire process is illegal.  This fact underscores the biggest problem with the so-called War on Terror: terrorism should be dealt with using a combination of policing and negotiation, not war and destruction.

Therefore, my question is: if 16% of Arabs thought that the Osama bin Laden assassination was a criminal act, so what?

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  • Stoned Gremlin

    The link to the article on the Taliban agreeing to hand over Bin Laden to the U.S is broken if given proof of his involvement in 9/11 is broken.

  • Sir david

    Roads
    Why do loons dig up old threads , after 8 months and post complicated questions that have little chance of being answered?
    As I am not a scholar I wont answer your question fully although I suspect you are talking about events in the Quran while Jack is talking about the spread of Islam post the death of the prophet.

    Sir David
    Vice chair leftwing mooslim alliance
    West Anjou branch

  • Rhoades

    @Jack Cope
    Sorry, I don’t understand what you mean in relation to Islam spreading peacefully.
    “However, the rule does not, again as Jimmy states, rule out self defense as it clearly states those who kill *except* for another killing or in defense are to have killed the whole of mankind. The Prophet did not break this rule as any attacks by him were in response to attacks against him and his people.”
    Where did you get this from?> Source please.
    ————–
    Those Muslims who did not fight for Muhammad were not equal in status to those who did:

    Not equal are those of the believers who sit (at home), except those who are disabled (by injury or are blind or lame, etc.), and those who strive hard and fight in the Cause of Allah with their wealth and their lives. Allah has preferred in grades those who strive hard and fight with their wealth and their lives above those who sit (at home). Unto each, Allah has promised good (Paradise), but Allah has preferred those who strive hard and fight, above those who sit (at home) by a huge reward; (Qur’an 4:95, Al-Hilali & Khan)
    These promises of Muhammad inspired the Muslims to give their lives towards the spread of the Islamic empire. Consider the example of `Umayr b. al-Humam:

    Then the apostle went forth to the people and incited them saying, “By God in whose hand is the soul of Muhammad, no man will be slain this day fighting against them with steadfast courage advancing not retreating but God will cause him to enter Paradise.” `Umayr b. al-Humam brother of B. Salima was eating some dates which he had in his hand. “Fine, Fine!” said he, “is there nothing between me and my entering Paradise save to be killed by these men?” He flung the dates from his hand, seized his sword, and fought against them till he was slain. (Ibn Ishaq, Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 300)
    Thus warfare and the preaching of paradise were important methods that Muhammad used to spread Islam.

    Muhammad did not send out preachers and evangelists instead he sent out armies.

  • Awesome

    Here are more of the Pork troll’s absurdities being addressed:

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    May be Mohammad had not read Talmud because he could not read or write but he could certainly hear that from the Jewish people who were well versed in their religion.
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    – This is unlikely, since the verse 5:32 contains the exception, which isn’t mentioned in neither the Babylonian Talmud nor the Jerusalem Talmud:

    For that reason, We decreed for the children of Israel, “If someone kills a human being _ unless as a penalty for murder, or unless it is to prevent the spread of corruption in the world _ it is as if he has killed the entire humanity. And if someone saves a life, it is as if he has saved the entire humanity. Certainly, (all) Our messengers had brought to them the clear (irrefutable) proofs. Despite that, most people in the world continue to commit (outrageous) excesses.

    (Qur’an 5:32)

    So the 2 exceptions are “murder” and “spreading corruption”. This is consistent with the Torah, which only has the death penalty for offenses that fall under those 2 categories, but is inconsistent with the Talmud reference, which mentions nothing about these exceptions.

    We also can’t even be sure that this Talmud reference even existed at that time.

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    If you read Sura25 and verse 3,It clearly states the the Arabs around Mohammad told him that Mohammad was a liar and they had heard all those stories before.
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    – But it doesn’t specify which stories they heard before, and how much of them they heard. The Meccans at that time had only very basic, second-hand knowledge of them, which would’ve been insufficient to account for what was revealed in the Qur’an during that time period.

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    Khadija’s Cousin who had converted to the Christian faith and he had translated the New Testament into Arabic.
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    – However, Khadijah’s cousin; Waraqa ibn Nawfal died, shortly after Prophet Muhammad received revelation, and by that time he was blind. When he became a Christian, he learned Hebrew, and what he wrote of the New Testement was in Hebrew, which he would read in Arabic.

    Obviously, he wouldn’t have been able to do any of that when he became blind, so it’s unlikely that he would’ve been able to teach anything from what he wrote, nor would anyone else, since they didn’t know Hebrew.

    Furthermore, Prophet Muhammad only ever met him twice, and both encounters were very brief.

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    Mohammad also often visited a Christian Roman Blacksmith and listened the stories about Jesus.It is all in your Islamic sources.
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    – The accusation that Prophet Muhammad learning the Qur’an from a Roman Christian Blacksmith, staying in the outskirts of Mecca, is not new. The Prophet very often used to go and watch this Roman Christian blacksmith do his work, and they conjectured that since he was a Christian, that he must have taught Prophet Muhammad the Qur’an.

    However, the Qur’an has already responded to this allegation:

    We know indeed that they say, “It is a man that teaches him.” The tongue of him they wickedly point to is notably foreign, while this is Arabic, pure and clear.

    (Qur’an 16:103)

    It should be obvious to anyone that a foreign blacksmith who could only speak poor, broken Arabic would have a very difficult time communicating anything complex in Arabic, and therefore, cannot possibly account for the pure, eloquent, fine Arabic in the Qur’an, much less the detailed accounts in it.

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    Hence there was no Gabriel Angel who would never use the word AWR for a woman which in Arabic means VAGINA.
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    – “Awrah” is never used to refer to a woman in Islam, nor is its use confined to women. In Islam, it generally refers to the intimate parts of the body, for both men and women, that must be covered with clothing. It is only in other languages that “Awrat” (a derivative of “Awrah”) is used specifically for women.

    Thus, in addition to all of the above, what we have from Mr. Pork is nothing but tired, old, long-since-debunked polemics and ignorance that does nothing to prove the allegations that the Qur’an came from someplace other than where it says it did.

  • I may end up writing a lot, forgive me but I waffle this early in the morning, most of it will also probably be random crap…

    Just Stopping By: First again thanks for your analysis, my research skills are not up to scratch. Personally, either way that the verse ends up in there works for me since either way is just God reaffirming His revelation to mankind. People like Mr Pork and his fellow missionaries try to ‘damage’ both Islam and Judaism (and other faiths) by claiming that neither have a divine source, we saw that above. Frankly, I think that Mr Pork’s ‘interpretation’ needs to answer that question far more than we do since it is clearly so at odds with… well everything!

    Seeing stuff replicated across different faiths doesn’t weaken mine, it merely strengthens it. Not only does it show that humanity does indeed have a lot in common it also lends credence to the tradition that God sent uncountable numbers of messengers before recorded history to all the tribes and nations, most of which we only see echos of.

    For example, a group of un-contacted islanders were found to have a belief system that revolved around a creator who was omnipresent, all powerful, all loving, all great and so on who would judge mankind at the end of days. Sounds familiar right? This from a group who had had no contact with the rest of humanity. It just shows how similar we all are.

    So yes, I have been rumbled and my true colors have come out 😉 I’ve always had a strong belief in common humanity and that if we’d just stop knocking heads ever time we met then that indeed the tribes and nations could get on better. But Mr Pork may fly as the saying goes…

    Seriously though all this fighting just makes no sense and when we work together it really does work. I was reading about some new advances made in graphene technology, a carbon based nano-molocule that has superconductivity properties and will revolutionize (once again) the computer world by removing resistance from circuits. It was discovered by some Russians working in the UK with an international team from Asia then taking it a step further and working out how to mass produce the stuff before IBM in the US fitted it into circuits recently. Most of what I’ve written is probably wrong but you get the picture and all this only becuase people from different nations worked together. It also means that I’m going to need a new phone in a few years and I hate buying phones.

    So yeah, common humanity and all that junk, it really works but the fundamentalists of all creeds don’t like it as it pollutes their brainwashing. Just ignore them, they are not important any more and man do they know it… hence the ‘screaming’ from Mr Pork and groups like AQ. Both are becoming rapidly lost in the past and are irrelevant, just wanting to drag us down, I’m not letting them.

    Oh and I visited the US twice at least I think, Florida (for Cape Canaveral) once and Colorado (Skiing) but will be going by again I’m sure. I also want to visit Israel once at least but will have to work out a way of doing it without buggering up my various residency visas around the world. A group of Indonesia Imams and Scholars, about 70 in all, went on a group trip there recently and I think it really helped (here in Malaysia they also had an Israeli school come over to play cricket but the effect wasn’t so great). Sadly there is not enough of this sort of thing going on but peace will grow from it. Facebook, as well as being a complete waste of time, has greatly facilitated people getting to know each other and I think it will be the younger generation that drags humanity out of the mess.

    Stephen G. Parker: I believe he must be but even then, as you say, it’s actually damaging to his argument. I think you are right that he is simply copying missionary literature and not doing a very good job it it at that. It’s the brainwashing and it’s sad to see…

    Like you say there is nothing ‘wrong’ with the Qu’ran simply reaffirming what came before, that is indeed what Muhammad said his mission was and that he brought nothing new to humanity, only underlined what came before. Again, no skin of my nose to admit that so Mr Pork’s rants are rather wasted.

    I also enjoy reading your commentary since you come from a very interesting position, haven’t read your site recently and will head on over once this is written.

  • @ Jack Cope: “Pork” was obviously referring to verses 4 and 5 of Sura 25:

    [25:4] Moreover, those who are bent on denying the truth are wont to say, “This [Qur’ān] is nothing but a lie which he [himself] has devised with the help of other people, who thereupon have perverted the truth and brought a falsehood into being.” [25:5] And they say, “Fables of ancient times which he has caused to be written down, so that they might be read out to him at morn and evening!” (I’m using the Muhammad Asad English version.)

    I’ve noticed that in some English versions of the Qur’an the verse number is place at the end of the verse rather than the beginning. “Pork” may have been reading such a version and failed to note that the verse number appearing before the verse is actually the verse number of the preceding verse. Of course, it may also be that he was merely copying from “missionary literature” which he read without verifying its correctness.

    His comments again display his extreme ignorance, however. Anyone who reads the Qur’an knows that it presents the various revelations of Islam (Abraham, Moses, David, Jesus, Muhammad – peace to all of them – for instance) as a continuity. The Qur’an never attempts to “hide” the fact that it refers to previous Scriptures and stories; the accusations of the unbelievers (such as “Pork”) are simply groundless. Of course (!!) the Qur’an refers to such previous Scriptures, events, and stories since the Religion of God is ONE throughout all of its manifestations.

    “Pork” fails to consider this, and the fact that the revelation of Islam given to Muhammad (peace be with him and his family) CONFIRMS previously given revelation, and weeds out errors that have crept in over the years. What is true is confirmed; what is false is rejected.

    [5:48] And unto thee [O Prophet] have We vouchsafed this divine writ, setting forth the truth, confirming the truth of whatever there still remains of earlier revelations and determining what is true therein.

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