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Dearborn Anti-Islam Conference Discriminates Against Muslim Women it Claims to Save

Omar Baddar and a host of other organizations responded to the hateful anti-Islam and anti-Arab conference put on by professional bigots Pamela Geller and Robert Spencer. The founders of SIOA crassly titled the event, “Jessica Mokdad Human Rights Conference.” Seeking to manipulate and abuse the memory of a young Muslim girl who was murdered by her step-father.

Her murder had nothing to do with Islam, but the hate-mongerers insist on trying to smear Islam at any opportunity.

In the following video we get the facts. We see how discriminatory and racist to the core the anti-Islam brigades behind the “conference” really are! We also see how scared they are of confrontation and being challenged on their hateful bigotry:

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  • Palestinian

    relief Says:
    May 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
    “…Most recently someone here calling himself “Palestinian”…”

    I’m a GIRL!!!!

  • JT

    “You “believe”? This is exactly the kind of blanket assertion without any proof offered that I find so objectionable about this site’s posters and theirs.”

    We have no interest in making stuff up, but not everyone here has the evidence required at their fingertips (and they don’t have to because others here know what they’re referring to). Fortunately, I do. The two “blanket assertions” made by Zak and the evidence:

    On Spencer’s approval of ethnic cleansing:
    http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/04/robert-spencer-wanna-be-conquistador/

    JihadWatch VP Hugh Fitzgerald on delighting in the deaths of Muslims:
    http://www.jihadwatch.org/2009/11/fitzgerald-yemen-and-what-to-think-about-it.html

    A few choice quotes:
    “The Western world should show no great interest in helping Saudi Arabia. It should be secretly delighted with each day’s news, the news that brings word not of Infidel casualties, but of Muslim casualties, inflicted by other Muslims. ”
    “We should take pleasure in the spectacle of warfare, in any Muslim land, warfare that takes up the attention of the locals, and uses up not only their resources, but also, one hopes, the resources of their neighbors.”

    Surely, human rights activist Spencer must have condemned the words of this madman…wait, what? Vice President of Jihadwatch? He gets a promotion?!

  • JT

    Relief, please remember that this is an Internet forum. People here may express their opinions without thinking, and certainly without thinking that they must have evidence in hand for every opinion they should express.

    Now, the figure may not stand at 90% (and neither do I believe that the commenter literally meant 9/10). However, you’re missing the point. That there are any people on Jihadwatch or Atlasshrugs who think it’s ever appropriate to annihilate an entire Muslim population is outrageous. Absolutely outrageous. You’re making a big fuss over one inaccurate statistic, but the underlying claim is still correct. You may disagree, but I think the existence of comments like that on those sites is indicative of the kind of crowd the “counter-jihad” movement is attracting. Evidence for this? The link is at the bottom. It is also worth noting that there is nothing on this site equally as vile as those comments.

    You say that these comments may indicate the genocidal mindset of a few over-zealous counter jihadis but do not say anything about Geller or Spencer. And you’re right. But what if these comments came straight from Geller’s mouth? Yes, the famed human rights activist is on record justifying the nuking of Mecca, Medina and Tehran (Evidence in the link below). In addition, the comments are moderated by Spencer and Geller; comments that are offensive or rude are supposed to be deleted. Some critical comments may find themselves deleted, but these ones remain. We know where Geller stands, but we can’t use this as evidence that Spencer supports nuking Mecca — but we can conclude that Spencer doesn’t think deleting them is worth alienating some of his followers.

    You insist that you aren’t an Islamophobe — disapproving of some aspects of Islam while still respecting the right of Muslims to worship as they please. In that case, you shouldn’t have any problem with this website. The writers here have often criticised fundamentalist interpretations of Islam and attacked those who support the death penalty on apostasy and those who restrict women’s rights. There are Muslims, Christians, Jews and Atheists here — not everyone supports Islam 100% (if they did then they’d all be Muslim) but the unifying factor here is our disapproval of anti-Muslim bigotry. Our opposition to people like Pamela Geller is not because of ideological differences or because she’s criticising Islam, it’s because she’s spreading harmful lies about Muslims.

    http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/04/jihad-watch-reader-wants-to-annihilate-muslim-holy-places/

  • NurAlia

    @relief…

    The one thing you NEVER find in those sites, is Muslims telling thier own stories about thier own lives, perceptions, pains, hopes, dreams…etc

    Muslims are not ‘corporate’ people, we are a individuals. No one defines Islam, except a person actually reading, reflecting, praying, and obeying the will of God within the context of the Qur’an. There are no ‘special revelations’, no chosen people, no elitism, objectivism exceptionalism, no ‘race’ and no other division of humanity…except a man and a woman recognised by people who practice Islam.

    I would say that if you really want to know Islam, first, read the Qur’an yourself…refect on it with an open mind…study all kinds of scholars (not institutions like CAIR), and go to the Masjid yourself and talk with people.

    This is my advice to you.

  • relief

    “Maybe you’d be better off reading books about Islam. You know, ones written by actual scholars and not con artists like Geller, Spencer and the rest. A trip to your local library and/or book store can do wonder”

    ” It interests me that you spend all this time searching through rubbish blogs, but won’t bother to get up off your arse and read a book. A REAL book. There’s no shortage of legitimate academic research (and criticism even) of Islam by scholars. Not failed theology students and washed up bloggers.”

    What’s with the contempt and entirely unfounded assumption that I have not read books? My home is lined with books. Here we were talking about Geller and Spencer, so that is what I mentioned. Drop the arrogant assumptions about who I am, OK. You do not know me.

    “I believe it was Spencer himself who was both a member of a group calling for an ethnic Turkish genocide AND saying something to the effect that “westerners should be secretly gleeful whenever Muslims kill other Muslims.”

    You “believe”? This is exactly the kind of blanket assertion without any proof offered that I find so objectionable about this site’s posters and theirs.

    Quote one of my defenses of Spencer or islamophobia or stop saying I am defending them. Unless you are calling my attempt to explain that it is possible to be concerned without hating Muslims, which is what you usually seem to mean by islamophobia.

    “I don’t think that was meant to be taken literally” That may be but I am willing to bet that many people who read ONLY loonwatch do believe it is literal, that is why untrue statements are dangerous and must be exposed. I dare say I could find equally hateful comments here about people were I to search.

    “Maybe I should do a google search for ‘relief’ on Atlas Yawned and Jihad Watch.” To what end? Trying to find me saying something genocidal about Muslims? Have at it, dude. But you will be wasting your time.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    @ relief:

    > I come here to read the other side of the questions that many of us have
    > about Islam.

    Maybe you’d be better off reading books about Islam. You know, ones written by actual scholars and not con artists like Geller, Spencer and the rest. A trip to your local library and/or book store can do wonders…

    > ” 9 times out of 10 you’ll see people advocating the nuking of Mecca or
    > the nuking of Iran or the complete wiping out of Muslims”.

    I don’t think that was meant to be taken literally, but if you wade through the comments you WILL find a lot of jack asses calling for people to nuke Mecca, calling Muslims and Arabs in general subhuman, denigrating anything and everything coming out of Middle Eastern culture as bad, and so forth. I’m too lazy to bother going back on his website to cull some comments, but other people on this site have done it. I believe it was Spencer himself who was both a member of a group calling for an ethnic Turkish genocide AND saying something to the effect that “westerners should be secretly gleeful whenever Muslims kill other Muslims.”

    > I am not defending Spencer nor do I defend loonwatch to anyone,

    Except that you ARE defending Spencer and Islamophobia…

    > And, as you no doubt realize, I do read Spencer but I also read the CAIR
    > website, this website, and a host of other sources of comment on these
    >issues.

    Maybe I should do a google search for ‘relief’ on Atlas Yawned and Jihad Watch. Or maybe not. It interests me that you spend all this time searching through rubbish blogs, but won’t bother to get up off your arse and read a book. A REAL book. There’s no shortage of legitimate academic research (and criticism even) of Islam by scholars. Not failed theology students and washed up bloggers.

    > I am not a “red neck cracker” as this same poster states, using regional
    > and racist stereotypes.

    I’m not anti-regional either. Truth be told I rather like the South. But I do have to say that the overwhelming majority of anti-Muslim bigots are white middle class Protestants/Evangelicals, and it seems a disproportionate number come from ‘red states.’ That being said, they are by no means the only bigots. New York certainly proves that.

  • Waseem Patel

    geller exposed yet again! Well done to the guys filming this. Its clear that Gellers policy was one of racism, where Muslim women were barred but others were allowed in. I shall forward this to all friends who will be interested.

  • relief

    David – I am not trying to derail anything here. Are you trying to undermine my point by implying that I am? Lying about what is found at jihadwatch is not a legitimnate questioning of Geller’s standing as a human rights activist. Surely you can rely on facts and truth to make your case, can’t you?

    By “us” I mean a lot of intelligent, educated people who are not bigots who nonetheless feel that Islam as practiced by many in the Islamic world looks like a threat to freedom. Believe it or not, such people do exist. It is possible to be concerned about an idea (Islam, in this case) without hating Muslims or being a bigot or racist or “islamophobe” (a vile and cynical neologism if there ever was one) all of which words are used to silence people, again, like “us” who are looking for answers and do not appreciate being brushed off and condemned for having questions or for objecting to distortions on EITHER side of this quesions which is what my post was about.

    Most recently someone here calling himself “Palestinian” tried to dismiss my concerns about untruths I found here by accusing me of living in my grandmother’s basement as if only social misfits and nuts would ever question what Muslims say or do or be concerned that we speak truthfully when discussing these issues. It is simply not so. I know Muslims, have worked with Muslims and do right now, broken bread with Muslims, none of whom did I think are subhuman or terrorists or anything of the kind. Yet Muslim terror murderers clearly think they are practicing Islam as it should be practiced, so why shouldn’t some of “us” question that or be concerned about that and that any discussion of that be based on facts and truth, not emotion, distortions, and downright lies.

  • truth

    @ relief I disagree with you.Most of the comments on jihadwatch are hate comments. Infact 99.9% of them.

  • Sir David Illuminati membership number 16.69

    Relief
    ‘many of us’
    Could you care to be a bit more definite about who this “us” is ?

    Or are you trying to derail this thread looking at embarassing questions about Pam Geller human rights activist.

  • relief

    I come here to read the other side of the questions that many of us have about Islam. Unfortunately, too often what I find here is as distorted and tendentious as anything Spencer et al say. Not everyone does this on this site, and I have seen that some people here understand reason and logic and facts etc. Others don’t, such as the person above who said this about posts on Spencer’s site:

    ” 9 times out of 10 you’ll see people advocating the nuking of Mecca or the nuking of Iran or the complete wiping out of Muslims”.

    This is demonstrably untrue, yet I have no doubt many of your readers believe that it is true and swallow such distortions whole. I am not defending Spencer nor do I defend loonwatch to anyone, but I do think it is important to defend the truth by pointing out untruth. And, as you no doubt realize, I do read Spencer but I also read the CAIR website, this website, and a host of other sources of comment on these issues. And guess what? I am not a “red neck cracker” as this same poster states, using regional and racist stereotypes.

    Physician, heal thyself.

  • Octane

    @Abdul-Rehman

    The first link you posted is brilliant.

  • Abdul-Rahman

    @KnowingTheTruth

    Hi, The Sun is a disreputable hatemongering “news” channel (it is literally Canada’s version of “Fox” aka Faux “news” in the US). Also Michael Coren is a complete idiot and basically a blowhard who is a wannabee Bill O’Reilly or Sean Klannity. Here is a good vid of somebody responding to Coren’s idiocy and lies on this same general topic: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PpwIvRd6ItM

    As for the fraud Nonie Darwish she is a well known propagandist who is apparently a convert to Evangelical, i.e. Zionist imperialist crusader, “Christianity” (i.e. the right wing neocon douchebags, etc) http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Nonie_Darwish

    I have about as much faith in the claims of this tool Nonie Darwish, as I do of other exposed frauds like “ex-terrorist” Walid Shoebat another convert to Zionist imperialist crusader “Christianity”. That is the same fraud Shoebat who is clearly milking his fake story for all the money he can even after he has been exposed as a fraud even by people like CNN who have found out his claims to have been involved in any PLO militant activity are false: i.e. the bank he claimed he “bombed” in Nazareth was never bombed, Shoebat was never arrested by the Zionist entity’s security forces, and he never was a part of the PLO to start with: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1RehZY6tHcA&feature=related

    And you have other tools like another complete idiot and liar “Kamal Saleem” who loonwatch has dissected and refuted as well; this “Kamal Saleem” tool actually claimed (clearly to uneducated non-Muslim audiences) that his uncle (or one of his relatives) was the supposed “Grand Vizier of Islam”! Anybody who knows even a little bit about Islam knows there is no title like this in Islam whatsoever! The closest thing that would even come to something even approaching that at all would be among the Shi’i Muslims who have scholarly leaders they call Ayatollah and Grand Ayatollah (Sign of God). But even that is not a supposed “Grand Vizier of Islam” (which “Kamal Saleem” was obviously trying to pass of to uneducated non-Muslim audiences as like some kind of “pope” like figure in Islam!). And “Kamal Saleem” himself (another Evangelical Zionist crusader convert tool, and fraud looking to make some money of rampant Islamophobia among the US right wing racists) only claims he came from a Sunni background to start with anyway.

    As for the Jessica Mokdad case loonwatch has covered that in depth and have shown with links to all the sources that both Jessica Mokdad’s family and the law enforcement that is actually handling the case in Michigan confirm that it was not a suppose “honor killing”, Jessica was simply murdered by her deranged stepfather who wasn’t doing anything for “honor” but was simply angry that Jessica rejected his sexual advances, etc. So if that makes a supposed “honor killing” then all the cases of non-Muslim men killing their girlfriend who leaves them or men who kill a women who rejects them (look up say George Sodini in the US) are supposedly doing an alleged “honor killing”; the claim is bs and lies and the idiots like Geller and co. are just using such lies to push their hatemongering Islamophobia.

    As for supposed “honor killings”, Islam completely condemns them http://islam-qa.com/en/ref/101972/honor%20killing and loonwatch has also spoken on this: http://www.loonwatch.com/2011/09/honor-killings-the-epidemic-that-isnt/

    You can see through the propaganda of these Islamophobic hatemongers when (along with the fact that they hate all Muslims, whether man or woman so any claims that they care about any Muslim dying in the first place are simply crocodile tears by these xenophobic Zionist supporting imperialist goons) they don’t discuss actual, REAL issues of violence against women around the world that involve non-Muslims! What about the rampant domestic violence among people in the US (most of whom are white Christians)?! Also where are they on speaking the epidemic of actual rapes among warlords in the Democratic Republic (D.R.) of the Congo (Congo being a Christian majority state)? Of course that fighting is also backed by Western corporations funding their pet warlords to ensure Western companies access to natural resources like coltan (for electronics), etc.

    To conclude, Islam forbids “honor killing”, the Muslim woman Jessica Mokdad was not killed in an alleged “honor killing” and both her family and the actual law enforcement involved in the case directly confirm that, and all the claims about “honor killings” to begin with are largely BS and even those who voice such claims among the more “respectable” press in the West (i.e. not Pamela Geller, who was involved in a criminal fraudulent car dealership with her now deceased husband, and her idiotic, xenophobic followers) never give any source for their allegations and they often admit “the numbers can’t be verified” because they are largely making it up and sensationalizing it for Islamophobic mainstream corporate media in the imperialist West.

  • Talal

    the truth will always rise to the top spamella.

    keep reading these posts 🙂

  • KnowingTheTruth

    Can Loonwatch respond or refute the garbage that Nonie Darwish spreads and her fake tears for the murder of this girl?

  • Pamela,

    you hate honour killing of women. well, what about the case of a white supremist killing a two year old woman child for trying to run away from the place where she was murdered. And he was a candidate for sheriff. Where is your indignation Pamela.

  • MasterQ

    How does she get away with this?

  • MasterQ

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  • truth

    @ mindy1 Mucus

  • crow

    Where’s the surprise here? That geller and Spenser were shown up to be the selfish mean-spirited hypocrites they are? There’s a reason red neck crackers make up most of their “reading” audience. To them racist and bigoted language is reasonable discourse, go over to any of their sites (jihadwatch, pam shrugs, fascist republic) and 9 times out of 10 you’ll see people advocating the nuking of Mecca or the nuking of Iran or the complete wiping out of Muslims and then claiming they are the “civilized ” “foreward thinking” people, LOL. They do all this while kissing the ass of the aggressive, fascist zionists who ARE the biggest threat to regional stability over there and try to intimidate you with screams of anti Semite when you don’t buy their line of crap.

  • Octane

    Now there is clear video proof that this ‘human rights’ conference was an absolute sham. Not that there was any doubt to begin. Curious to see how Jan et al. will spin this one.

    Oh by the by. This is further proof of Islamic only honor crimes:
    http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/story/2012/05/02/toronto-homicide-arrest-drowning-death.html

  • mindy1

    Good lord, I wonder what would I see if I did a brain scan on them…

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