Cenk Uygur, the host of The Young Turks, rips this closet Islamophobe a new one. I especially like how he made sure to mention George Bush’s intention behind invading Iraq (the Biblical prophecy of Gag and Magog), which resulted in the death of hundreds of thousands of Iraqi civilians. (But of course those civilians don’t count, since they are brown Moozlems.)
Cenk could have sealed that argument by mentioning the Christian version of Al-Qaeda, none other than the fundamentalist Evangelical Blackwater group, which has killed scores of civilians. And he could also have mentioned the thousands of Christians who believe in the Joel’s Army theology and the general surge of Christian fanaticism in the U.S. military.
One other point: the conservative loon mentioned the idea that 90% of mosques in America are owned and operated by Saudi Arabia. This is a blatant lie commonly peddled by Islamophobes. “But you can google it!” Believe it or not: but not everything on the interwebs is true. *gasp* In fact, the vast majority of mosques in America run on local donations.
Joy "7 million Muslims in the World?" Tiz
Then in that same breath she says that they are funded by the Muslim Brotherhood, when in fact the ideology of the Muslim Brotherhood runs contrary to that of the “Wahhabi” (Salafi) strain of Islam followed in Saudi Arabia.
But anyways, I must say that Cenk did a great job (and I give him a 10 out of 10). Here is the debate:
Cenk vs Conservative [Loon] on Muslims in the Military
Many of us here at LoonWatch.com are fans of The Young Turks, so we decided to post some of their videos on the Ft. Hood Shooting along with some commentary:
Crazy Conservative Bloggers on Fort Hood
My comments: There were two Muslim American soldiers who shot their fellow soldiers, compared to tens of thousands of Muslim Americans who serve in the military, and millions of Muslim Americans who live in the country. But surely two of them define them all, right?
Fox “News” Un-American Take on the Fort Hood Shooter
My comments: At about four minutes into the video, the Fox “News” lady host argues that “political correctness” is the problem: the U.S. military knew about his radical postings online and didn’t do anything about it because they wanted to be PC about it. Of course conservatives love to be politically incorrect–or rather, pathetically incorrect–and this is one of their favorite talking points. They use the euphemism of “I’m going to be politically incorrect” instead of just saying “I’m going to be bigoted.” Anyways, the entire theory is bogus because his military command already said that they didn’t know about his radical postings online.
Also, at the very end of the video, Cenk mentions the most important point: so many right wingers unfortunately think that they are “allowing” Muslims to be Americans. We’ve had a few similar comments on LW, where a few posters would say something along the lines of “if Muslims want to be treated as Americans…”, not knowing that Muslims in this country are already Americans! You didn’t “gift” that Americanness to them, and they are just as American as you are. And your entire attitude of thinking that you get to decide who is and who is not a real American is the most un-American of all.
America was a country founded upon immigration, a melting pot by definition. Unless you’re Native American, your ancestors were also immigrants to this country, and what difference does it make that they were from a European country as opposed to an Asian or African one? Why is it that a third generation Arab American is treated as being a foreigner/immigrant, whereas an immigrant who just moved from Italy to the United States some three years ago is considered more American? It’s absurd. Get this through your thick skulls: you will treat every single American as a fellow American regardless of his race, religion, or ethnicity. And if you don’t believe that, then you should be treated as being un-American.
Should Ft. Hood Shooter Been Racially Profiled?
My comments: Cenk, I think you missed the point here. There was absolutely no need for racial or religious profiling here at all. The fact is that if anyone had said the things Major Nidal Hasan had said–be it his radical postings online or his rantings in person–then that’s a red flag no matter what race or religion he is. So that’s not racial or religious profiling if you pull a guy aside for saying those things.
Let me clarify: if there is a guy going through airport security and he says something like “I love Al-Qaeda,” then you can and should pull him aside for saying that. This is regardless of his race or religion. On the other hand, if you simply pull aside those who are of a certain race or religion, then that’s racial profiling. Nobody on earth would have a problem with the former, but the latter is racist and 100% un-American.
The thing that is being missed here, with the Ft. Hood Shooting, is that there was no reason to racially profile this guy! He could have been caught and stopped if people had just paid attention to the numerous red flags. Major Hasan was saying crazy things, and doing crazy things (giving absurd and out of place presentations at work)…It was just a matter of picking up on those numerous cues and then looking into that.
If you start racially or religiously profiling people, then you alienate the same community within which the problem exists. It’s counter-productive. Instead of wasting time trying to screen tens of thousands of Muslim Americans, why not just investigate those people that are saying and doing things that are questionable? And that’s the American thing to do: judge people based on their words and actions, not their race, ethnicity, nationality, or religion. It’s about judging people for the content of their character.
Crazy Conservatives on Ft. Hood
My comments: Of course, any sane person knows that it’s a lie that Muslims believe they must “kill all infidels.” Pious Muslim Americans believe that they must obey the U.S. laws, and are thus not a threat.
Anyways, the key point that Cenk raises is at 4:00 when he talks about how truly un-American these guys are, and how they really and truly don’t understand the ethics and purpose of this country.
UPDATE:
Pat Roberson: Islam is Not a Religion
My comments: A bit over the top? I don’t know. But yes, I do agree that these right wingers shouldn’t throw stones when they live in glass houses.
Alright, that’s it for now. Thanks a lot, TYT Nation! Keep up the good work.
