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Posted on 07 August 2009 by Garibaldi


Islamophobes purposefully mistook these girls as child brides

The Loon world was whipped into a frenzy based on, as usual, the reinforcing winds of ignorance and hate. In what was meant to be an unremarkable story, Tim Marshall a reporter for Sky News blogged on a mass wedding celebration in the Gaza Strip officiated by  Hamas. Marshall reports in his excellent blog Islamophobia. Ignorance or Propaganda?,

The party is for 450 grooms, the brides are elsewhere, some among the 5,000 or so guests. It’s the way things are done here, Personally I’m for the mixing of the sexes, but I’m not about to argue, I’m outnumbered.

Up on the stage there’s music and dancing. Everyone’s having a good time, even me, although the Hamas robocops are making me a little nervous. Sure Hamas have cold blooded killers among them, sure they support the murder of children in Israel, sure they are cracking down on women’s rights, but many of their supporters are just ordinary people. And they need a break…Then the fireworks explode, the cheering begins, and in march the Hamas scouts, bashing drums, looking every inch the future Hamas fighters many will be. Then the grooms, aged about 18 to about 28. They are holding hands with their young nieces and cousins, little girls aged from about 3 to 8, made up to the nines, wearing white wedding dresses.

So what has gotten the Loon world completely riled up? Well it seems that many of the anti-Muslims misconstrued the occasion and thought the grooms were actually marrying the little girls who were their nieces or cousins! Tim Marshall explains,

Our report on this put it into context saying that it took place just a mile from the Israeli border and was a message from Hamas about its strength confidence and future fighters. Oh and that the brides were elsewhere. Pretty straightforward.

It never struck me for a moment that the little girls might later be described in the bloggersphere as the brides! How naive I am.

Dozens, and I mean dozens, of websites took the video of the event and wrote lurid stories about Hamas mass paedophilia with headlines about ’450 child brides’, and endless copy about how disgusting this was, how it showed how depraved Islam is, et al, ad infinitum. Site after site jumped on the story, linking from one totally wrong load of rubbish to the next. I’ll give credit to Tundra Tabloids who at least took down the video, but most sites just ploughed on regardless.

So which sites are these, and what have the various reactions been? Bartholomew gives us a hint,

The many websites that picked this up have responded in various ways: some issuing corrections, some quickly deleting their postings, and some insisting that it’s all true and that Marshall is trying to cover up the fact: “Why”, demands one site “would Tim Marshall defend the Gaza pedophiles?” One of the sites that decided to scrub was Robert Spencer’s Jihad Watch, which is worth noting as Spencer claims some sort of academic expertise on Islam.

Where does this collective hallucination and fixation on fiction originate from? The simple, straight forward answer is that it comes from the collective hysterical hatred shared by those who despise Islam and Muslims. It is a manifestation of Islamophobia, “ie. an irrational fear of Islam.” It springs from the idea that Islam is evil, inherently backwards, oppressive to women. The talking point goes, “Muhammad was a pedophile who married 9 year old A’isha and these vile Mooslims must be doing it now on this massive scale!” George Readings puts this into some context in a recent post on The Spitoons (via Bartholemew),

The “argument” goes that Muslims believe Muhammad to be a perfect model for behaviour and therefore the fact of Muhammad’s marriage to A’isha somehow proves Islam to be a depraved religion…This attempt to aggressively apply a modern British definition of paedophilia to seventh century Arabia strikes me as a sign of severe anthropological illiteracy…

…Marriage to a pre-pubescant child with whom consummation occurs upon reaching puberty is not a model most people would be happy with in the modern world (although Bolivia sets the age of consent at puberty).

Which is probably why nearly all Muslim countries have reformed these rules beyond recognition. The age of consent in Algeria and Malaysia is 16, in Indonesia it is 19 for males and 16 for females. In Egypt it’s 18 for both and Tunisia 20. Reform has not, however, come to Saudi Arabia. Back in April the world followed the case of a mother trying to obtain a divorce for her eight-year-old daughter who had been married off by her father to a friend he owed a debt. In the end she succeeded and now there is even talk of Saudi Arabia preventing marriage before the age of 18.

Poor Tim Marshall scoured the net in an attempt to let the Islamophobes know that they had gotten it wrong but what was the result?

I spent a few hours visiting websites and leaving comments where I could. To little avail. Instead I received a steady stream of vitriol. The best response was on a site run by a Debbie Schlussel . The guy who posted it said he wasn’t interested in the detail. The detail being the fact that the girls weren’t the brides.

It showed how much some people want to believe nonsense like this, as it re-inforces their prejudices, always a comfortably fun thing to do. But Hamas, and the jihadists do enough terrible things without having to make things up about them. Most of the stuff I read was outright, unthinking, gleeful, Islamophobia from people who clearly knew nothing about Arab popular culture. It’s as is they really beleive that because there are examples of child brides, it means all weddings are with child brides.

Debbie Schlussel is not new to LoonWatch readers, her doozy looniness is par for the course, so Tim shouldn’t worry, but he hit the nail on the head when he wrote, “It showed how much some people want to believe nonsense like this, as it re-inforces their prejudices, always a comfortably fun thing to do.” This is exactly the case — loaded with a bagful of prejudice and preconceived notions the Islamophobes took the wedding to be an affirmation of their pre-set conjectures.

When they were presented with the fact that they had stupendously erred some corrected themselves  while others went into denial. It almost reminds you of some Biblical literalists who believe the world is 6,000 years old, you can present them with all the overwhelming evidence that point to the fact that the world is many millions of times older but they will stubbornly hold on to their literal interepretation of the Bible. This is not much different, and serves as a sweeping manifestation of the kind of irrationality that ignorance coupled with hate can produce.

46 Comments For This Post

  1. mallorcaman Says:

    I love it when the folly of the loons precedes them. I mean the fact that they are willing to believe anything about Muslims says a lot about how far their demonizing perceptions are willing to go. Orientalism is an understatement. It’s more like Boratism.

  2. TheHarbinger Says:

    Haha that’s hilarious. Maybe the Islamophobes need to spend a little more time actually learning about Islam than watching child pornography…

  3. WDSF Says:

    Wow, an amazing piece with excellent analysis. Some of them are so crazy they might drown in their craziness.

  4. Muslism Against Sharia Says:

    The Islamophobic degenerates who equate Muslims with Hamas are just as dumb as degenerates here who equate Hamas with Muslims.

  5. John in Bucharest Says:

    The Islamophobes are utterly desperate to get other people as outraged at (and terrified of) Islam and Muslims as they are; this is why they always grasp to stories that provide graphics and images (like the photograph above) even when the stories or the related photos turn out to completely wrong or misrepresented. This has happened over and over again.

    Luckily, most people don’t seem convinced or even really care, which is what really burns the professional Islamophobes up. Many of them are sincerely convinced that Islam and all Muslims (and even sympathetic non-Muslims) are part of a grand unified conspiracy to conquer the world and impose a Taliban-like order on all of humanity. Therefore, they just can’t understand why so few people take this imminent threat as seriously as they do. LOL, oh well.

    Anyway, great article and analysis, keep up the good work.

  6. Morakot_ Says:

    Once I saw the picture, I knew what haters would be thinking. And of course, no one is interested in the ‘details.’ I love what Readings said, “severe anthropological illiteracy,” very well said indeed!

  7. Krister Andersson Says:

    So you do not think islam is dangerous? fact 1 childbrides are relatively
    common among muslims, fact 2 who is busy blowing up buildings and people
    using suicidebombers? fact 3 who blew up the Buddha statues in Afganistan?
    fact 4 who is always demanding special treatment and separate laws in
    Europe for themselves. I do not know about this event but Tim Marshall
    is a journalist and favour hamas hence I would not trust him as far as I
    can throw him. In these films on youtube why does he not appear himself
    in any segment of the film? Why are there so many interviews with these
    children? Why are the brides not filmed even once? I do not speak arabic
    but I have a friend who does, I shall ask him to translate for me.

  8. Maturin Says:

    Believe me people,I have experience with the so-called moderate Muslims.What is a moderate?Let’s say MODERATE=believer in human rights.Anybody here against the idea?

    I am a liberal,a believer in human rights.It is very hard to find a Muslim who will say:”I agree that you have the right of freedom of speech to criticize Mohammed and and the Koran and not be punished.”

    They will say you do NOT have the right to insult Mohammed and the Koran,it is “Islamophobia”.Ask a religious Muslim who seems moderate.It’s hard to find.

    PLEASE,people who run this website,UNDERSTAND,Islamophobia is ok since it’s just freedom of speech to criticize Mohammed and the Koran.It’s MUSLIMOPHOBIA(persons) that is bad.You guys are smart.You certainly see it.You have been hoodwinked into a false definition of Islamophobia,they have tricked you into thinking ISLAMOPHOBA=persecution of PEOPLE who are Muslim(it’s not,for Islam is a set of ideas).Nor is it a RACE.Islamophobia is NOT racism.

    Again,consider ANTI-SEMITISM(or JUDEOPHOBIA),persecution of PEOPLE,Jews.You are against it,correct?But you are NOT against JUDAISMOPHOBIA(criticism of IDEAS,ideas of a religion,Judaism).

    Why aren’t YOU against JUDAISMOPHOBIA?You say:”I have the HUMAN RIGHT,freedom of speech to criticize a set of ideas.”I agree.NOW do you see how your position is not good using LOGIC.Instead change to “We are against MUSLIMOPHOBIA,but agree with criticism of Islam(ideas),ISLAMOPHOBIA.”

    Sincerely,you guys who run this website would gain alot in the eyes of human-rights liberals if you officially do it.It would show you are with us,with logic,reason and human rights.

  9. pub Says:

    Was the massacre of the Christians in Indonesia just another loony moment and easily explained by your ilk? I bet you could explain why Muslims needed to stage 9/11.

  10. pub Says:

    John in Bucharest Says: “Therefore, they just can’t understand why so few people take this imminent threat as seriously as they do. LOL”

    That’s what the Christian Lebanese thought. LOL

  11. Garibaldi Says:

    One doesn’t have to look further than Krister Andersson for ludicrous and disingenuous commentary. Did you even read the post? How does Tim Marshall favor Hamas, when he clearly condemned them?

  12. Krister Andersson Says:

    Did he? where? He was just blabbing about islamophobia as most
    journalists and dhimmis do, i do not understand this, phobia
    is a medical condition and has absolutely nothing to do with
    digust with islam.

  13. Ibski Says:

    No. “Disgust with Islam” often has to do with being a prejudice moron, and living in a fantasy world.

  14. Krister Andersson Says:

    Really? As opposed to you I regard islam for what
    it is really aböut, I have as of now regared islam
    for what it is, a very disgusting political
    view, do you not even dare to call it a religion
    even when religion is superstition.

  15. Rob Says:

    I am trying to understand the purpose of this event. From one of the blogs above:
    “Our report on this put it into context saying that it took place just a mile from the Israeli border and was a message from Hamas about its strength confidence and future fighters”.

    Malybe this is a question that everyone else but me already understands, but if the event was for the purpose of Hamas sending a message about its strength, confidence and future fighters – then what do little girls in white wedding dresses have to do with it? And why would the young men who seem to be the focus of the event be wearing what appears to be some sort of formal wear instead of uniforms or camo outfits? This is a sincere question — I am somewhat familiar with Islamic culture, although no expert, and usually events themed around fighting and military prowess involve men dressed as fighters with weapons, and such.

    Is there an explanation that I am missing here?

  16. DrM Says:

    Nothing new here. Lying is the first commandment of Judeofascism and its shabbos goym followers. Notice how the trolls simply don’t care about the facts. Drop the “I’m a liberal” act, “Maturin,” you shabbos goys don’t believe in freedom of speech. The pathetic whitewash of western state media at “israel’s” organ harvesting story is clear proof of this. “All the news thats kosher to print.”
    “Krister”(the disgusting product of a failed European culture of death which celebrates incest, pedophilia, an bestiality) likes to play doctor by insisting the phobias are merely medical conditions when in fact they have social manifestations.
    Get back to us when you find those Iraqi WMDs, zionist arselickers.

  17. Krister Andersson Says:

    Ohh insults, well that proves my point when
    out of arguments use insults, and even if you like it
    or not phobias are medical conditions ask any doctor.
    Furthermore I am not interested at living in a stupid
    religious theocracy whcih all the PC people think is
    so wonderful. I am not an American I have no interest
    in Iraqi WMDs.
    And finally a little message to DrM: DRA DU ÅT HELVETE

  18. WDSF Says:

    Dr. M:

    Are you sane?
    You juxtapose Judaism with Israeli actions, and that is not right. One poll shows that the majority of Israeli Jews support peace with Palestine, and a growing number support moderating talks with Hamas. You attack the virulent Islamophobes (rightfully so) and then go to talk about the ‘trolling Judeofascism’.

  19. Emperor Says:


    I don’t think English is your first language because you keep mistaking the journalist as someone sympathetic to Hamas or terrorists. He called Hamas “cold blooded murderer’s,” “killers of innocent children,” and “cracking down on women’s rights.” Where in that do you see support? That is condemnation.

    Phobia’s are also medical conditions, but again phobia=fear. Islamophobia is an irrational fear of Islam. Do you see how those who have this irrational fear of Islam saw this picture and ran with it based on their own prejudices, thereby making fools of themselves. Some, when presented with the facts didn’t even want to admit it and rather continued with the lie. Think about that friend.

  20. Emperor Says:


    I have to agree with WDSF, just because haters analogize Muslims and Islam with things totally unrelated to it, and attempt to paint all things Islam and Muslims as evil does not mean that those who oppose them should fall to the same temptation.

    Judeofascism is as much a misnomer as Islamofascism. It is also quite a touchy subject to bring up issues related to ancient blood libels, that have in the past been used to demonize Jews. How much truth is there to the allegations in the Swedish paper? Of course, the conduct of IDF soldiers as reported by Amnesty International was “wanton destruction” and is in and of itself enough to censor the deplorable and heinous conduct of the Israeli Army without confusing the situation by bringing up old demonized stereotypes about Jews.

    The allegations in the Swedish paper and the events in New York involving the Rabbis from what I understand are unrelated. It also needs to be corroborated by independent investigators.

  21. DrM Says:

    @”Krister Andersson,”
    Complaining about being insulted while throwing insults at others? What a hypocrite. Seems to me you can dish it out but not take it. You also need some ESL classes as you don’t know that “phobias” have more then one context of usage(BTW I am an MD so don’t even attempt to lecture me on medicine). Lets gets something clear, no one is forcing to live under a “religious theocracy,” you paranoid Nazi reject. Frankly I don’t think anyone gives a damn about you. Iraqi WMDs are relevant to this conversation because this child bride hoax is coming from the same scum who were claiming day and night that Iraq was responsible for 9/11 and could take out the US and UK in 45 minutes. If you insist on believing such neocon criminals then I have no choice then treat you as one of them.
    So spare us your disingenuous manufactured outrage and get lost vermin.

    @WSDF and Emperor,
    You are both correct as there is a difference but I like to play hardball with the haters. I use the term “judeofascism” primarily to teach the fanatics for Zion and their shabbos goyim followers that the tables can be easily turned against them. If they don’t like it, too bad. As for the Swedish investigative report about “israel’s” harvesting of organs from the bodies of Palestinians, it isn’t anything new. Interesting that the self styled “freedumb of speech” crowd isn’t eager at all to support the Swedish newspaper which dared to break the story.
    Funny how that works…

  22. ysc Says:

    Seems there’s a lot of speculation and presumption on both sides, based on photos, videos, or the lack thereof). What’s telling is that nobody (not even Tim Marshall) has provided a direct quote from any groom/bride that was there. Is it possible to just interview one of the grooms that was there to clarify what was going on?

  23. Krister Andersson Says:

    Oh really tell me about the other context about phobis please, furthermore
    why are you complaining about my insults to you please give an example.
    You others you are right English is not my first language, in fact it
    is my third but it does not invalidate my conclusions, he is a journalist
    hence a cultural marxist. of course he support hamas.

  24. Nissa Says:

    Krista- you really need to live in the real world….

    fact 1 childbrides are relatively
    common among muslims- Nonsense! even in Iran which has a legal age of 9 for marriage, the average is something like 19 and rising…Child brides are also to be found in animist cultures, still prevalent in India and rural China and are more a product of poverty and lack of education than religion.

    fact 2 who is busy blowing up buildings and people
    using suicidebombers? Um…the LTTE, the PKK, other non-Muslim factions in Lebanon…in fact the LTTE have used for suicide bombings that any other group.
    Also…it might not be through suicide bombing but targetting civilians like the IDF do is also terrorism

    fact 3 who blew up the Buddha statues in Afganistan? um, yeah and who has kept the pyramids and various Hindu Buddhist statues well preserved in Egypt and Pakistan? Who tried to blow up al-Aqsa? and who did tear down the Babri Masjid in India? clue:it wasn’t Muslims.

    Just because people act savagely and are zealots doesn’t mean all Muslims are and Islam is the problem…

    fact 4 who is always demanding special treatment and separate laws in
    Europe for themselves.- like what? what separate laws have Muslims demanded? what special treatment? Sikhs do not have to wear helmets on bikes….its not unreasonable on their part, they just want to practice their faith….are you going to say they are evil too now?
    just because someone wants to practice their faith doesn’t mean they are demanding anything that isn’t already available to everyone else…it just becomes more of an issue when a Muslim does something because the press jump all over it.

  25. DrM Says:

    I see the cretinous Krister is still wasting peoples time with his outlandish conspiracy theories. Not to mention his evasiveness. It’s one thing to be fooled, but to insist on being a fool despite evidence to the contrary…that’s just pathetic.
    Not that such behavior isn’t symptomatic of racist Zionist/neocon arselickers(the majority of whom come from a Marxist background).

  26. Elric66 Says:

    “Lets gets something clear, no one is forcing to live under a “religious theocracy,” you paranoid Nazi reject.”

    Hmmmm….seems like if you dont tow the line here, you are automatically referred to as a Nazi. And if you ask a simple question like “Is the term “Brit” racist, its not allowed through. But name calling it seems is par for course here but thats no surprised. All pro-islam sites seem to be the same. No real debate and free exchange of ideas.

  27. Maturin Says:

    Just read Dr M.I have read and received comments like his before.In all probability he is a Muslim who has been indoctrinated.You read similar statements from Muslims in other forums.Maybe he is not a Muslim,but there is a high probability he is.

    First,yes,the West has commited great crimes.I admit,but so have other cultures.You do agree to that,no,Dr.M?

    The fact is that the Muslim organizations want to stop FREEDOM of SPEECH by saying honest criticism of Mohammed and the Koran is a crime.It is not.But they invented a EUPHEMISM for it and called it “ISLAMOPHOBIA” hoping others would not notice.And most have not and never will,that is reality.Dr M,can yu please tell us if you agree with:

    1.The 100% HUMAN RIGHT of Muslims to leave their religion ANYWHERE in the world,even MUSLIM countries,and not be persecuted or discriminated,much less killed?

    2.The 100%HUMAN RIGHT of us to critique Mohamed and the Koran,saying what we feel is wrong and negative ANYWHERE,even in Muslim countries,and not be persecuted or killed?

    I hope you say yes,that you are truly for HUMAN RIGHTS.

  28. MDFZL Says:

    There seems to be a long debate among the Pro-Islamic & Anti-Islamic individuals.

    Let’s look at religion from a neutral perspective. I believe that religion is a guided path to GOD, a path where it is encouraged to do good deeds to all fellow man and all living things.

    Just because of the minority that mix religion with other man-made factors (E.g. Politics, Money, Prowess and etc) the whole world views the “RELIGION” as a bad one.

    Let us be open-minded in every perspective. When someone comes and criticizes your religion, it would be unwise to do the same to them. That would make us no different from them. Patience is the key element here.

    We should engage in healthy discussions and not be quick to throw out slanderous remarks. Respect should be given if you expect respect to be given to you as well.

    A final note. Religion is something that you would embrace willing fully. Set a good example by being a role model in the face of society. Let this culture be passed on from generations to generations

  29. Garibaldi Says:


    Thank you for the good words, they are very important and I hope people act in such an ethical way.

  30. Krister Andersson Says:

    Thanks for your support but I am used to it by now, they always
    call me nazi, racist, facist and so on, i do not care anymore.
    As for “Dr”M he is a joke, he is from Jamaica a country known
    for two things, narcotics and lousy music.

  31. R. J. Grigaitis Says:

    You may want to read my take on it:

  32. FazUK Says:

    If you keep making false accusations about a religon constantly, then expect to be labelled a nazi/racist/fascist!

    If you don’t know the facts and go off what some racist/islamphobic has to say…do your own research and I don’t mean by going to some sites where people like gellar etc write their co called facts…try doing some PROPER research..

    Also, if you think an arab/afghan/iragi etc man marries a child is religion IT’S NOT…it’s CULTURE…get it right!!!!

  33. DrM Says:

    Save the theatrics for someone who cares. You have no interest in any sort of human rights, nor do you believe in freedom of speech. If you did either, you would not be agitating against this site in the first place. Free speech does not merely consist of the ability to voice you view, it is to have an EQUAL PLATFORM TO BE HEARD! Once again, you verbally prattle, speaking in quips and easy slogans, but substantively know little. Don’t project and waste my time with your childish insecurities and judeofascist propaganda, you spineless hypocrite.

    In response to your comment, but you ARE a Nazi. The reason you’ve been called that it b/c you’re an paranoid anti-Muslim fanatic with your little crusader fantasies. And really, you want an “exchange of ideas?” What, posting BNP crap on Muslim and non-Muslim sites and then crying wolf? Is that why you ran off from Stefania Harris’ blog when I corrected you for your erroneous statements? You weren’t even man enough to admit you were wrong and took the cowards way out. That’s your M.O. Typical of the failed breed.

    @Krister Andersson.
    I’m not from Jamaica but nice job attacking the entire country anyway. Kinda proves my point that you’re an idiot and pathetic racist. Neurotic lil duffer aren’t you?

  34. Krister Andersson Says:

    The individual attacked me personally, calling me all sorts of names
    so why should not I do the same? Besides I do think the music from
    Jamaica are lousy and they are known for their narcotics, hence it is
    not an attack. I am just stating facts.

  35. DrM Says:

    @Krister Anderson,

    You don’t seem to to have any reservations when disparaging others and you dare complain about being “called names”? What a hypocritical clown.
    As for your lame and racist remarks about Jamaica, you made those b/c of you thought I was a Jamaican. You had nothing else to work with. Talk about pathetic(not as pathetic as your belief in judeofascist propaganda BS about Palestinians though).
    FYI, Jamaica’s economy is based on agriculture, mining, manufacturing, and tourism. Last time I checked there was no shortage of narcotics in your civilized little corner Europe. Guess little Adolfs need their high…

  36. Ustadh Says:


    There are people who still believe this crap. Can you believe it? Just the other day I was browsing the internet and saw something relating to it, the nice thing is that I have also seen this piece used as a rebuttal to a lot of the misinformation out there about this story. Great job, again!

  37. Nick Says:


    To say I am glad youa re not my fmaily Dr., is to put it mildly. No Dr I know of would ever descend into the kind of gutter talk name calling you seem to delight in. If this is your level of professionalism, and it seems to be, perhaps a career change is in order? Maybe working in a Pork meat packing plant as a janitor would suit you better. It might even improve your bedside manner.

  38. James Says:

    Who cares about these murderous thugs. Hamas needs to be exterminated and that’s all there is to it. The cousins and nieces need to go too since they are able to deliver offspring of more murderous thugs. Praise to allah. Get them before they get us.

  39. luddite Says:

    After having researched this on the Net pretty thoroughly, I gotta say that there is no definitive answer. I’ve seen plenty of quotes (including in the above article) attributed to Tim Marshall that he never wrote. Or at least he claims he never wrote. Everyone who calls it a hoax has an obvious agenda, and so does everyone who calls it the truth. It is odd that there are no of age brides anywhere to be found, and certainly some members of Islam support what is considered pedophilia by Western standards. There seems to be plenty of “evidence” in both directions. Not that it matters. Those who are pro Hamas will never believe it (no matter the proof); those who are anti Hamas will never disbelieve it (no matter the proof). And on it goes…

  40. menj Says:

    Islamophobia at one of its worst manifestations, that’s for sure.

  41. S. Bergson Says:

    False Story Claims 450 Gaza Grooms Wed Girls Under Ten in Mass
    Muslim Marriage

  42. Krister Andersson Says:

    Muhammed was a pedophile, normaly I would not give it a second thought
    since he lived 1500 years ago and mores was different then, however a lot
    of people today regards him as the perfect human being hence the criticism
    as for catholic priests they are a bunch of sick bastards and so is the
    pope because he tried to cover it up, as for you religious people out there
    I do not respect your beliefs and I do not care if you get offended!
    as the cognent saying in my language: du kan dra dit pepparn växer!

  43. Mosizzle Says:

    Krister Andersson,
    He was not a pedophile. He had no exclusive interest in sexual relations with children. Using the modern understanding of pedophilia to describe the Holy Prophet (PBUH) is incorrect. Take a look at the link.

    Although I suspect you might not need to because you, unlike many other people, understand that the mores of society 1400 years ago were different. However, him being the “perfect human being” does not need us to copy all of his exact actions. Scholars have learnt what the Sunna is and that is those things that we should follow to become better human beings, that the Prophet did. Marrying young wives is not Sunna, if it was then you would see a billion Muslims in such relationships. Instead, most Muslim countries have a high age of consent, some even higher than Western countries.

    Furthermore, the Muslim leader and founder of Pakistan, Muhammad Ali Jinnah was instrumental in the passing of the Child Marriage Restraint act of 1929 in India that banned child marriage, proving that Muhammad’s marriage did not make it compulsory for Muslims to seek younger wives. It was another action that was not necessary to follow that the Prophet did. It is only you who is implying that Muslims have to take his actions literally all the time. Muslims don’t. Which is why not all 1.5 billion Muslims ride camels, wear Arab clothes, eat Arab foods or live in Medina.

    His actions do not lead to Pedophilia. The fact that you imply this is interesting — what about the thousands of pedophiles in Europe? What is their excuse?

  44. Superpowerarsenal Says:

    >Muhammed was a pedophile, normaly I would not give it a second thought
    since he lived 1500 years ago and mores was different then…

    So you understand it was acceptable back then to marry younger for various logical reasons and you STILL use that tired argument that Muhammad (pbuh) was a pedophile? What are you trying to accomplish?

  45. Khushboo Says:

    Kristurd, you insult our religion and our beloved prophet and then play victim when you’re insulted?! BOOFUC*INHOO

    Dr. M is right! When you talk like a Nazi, you’ll be called a “Nazi”! Don’t expect us to play nice if you throw your sh*t at us!

  46. Abdul-Rahman Says:

    In response to “Krister Anderson”

    Your an ignorant blowhard. The Prophet Muhammad PBUH’s marriage to Lady Aisha RA was completely normal as she was an adult woman both physical and mentally and

    As for the common accusation that since the Prophet Muhammad SAW married and consummated the blessed marriage with Lady Aisha RA when she was 9 years old that it someone implies or means Muslims today in the 21st Century CE are suppose to marry women at that age; nothing could be further from the case. Islamic scholars have always realized societies change, for example there is no mention of telephones, cars, planes, etc. in any early Islamic source or scholarship (because these things obviously didn’t exist back then) but does that mean we aren’t allowed to use such devices or vehicles? Of course not! The main core teachings of the religion of al-Islam are clear as day: the Oneness of God being the most important other side issues have to be interpreted by competent Islamic scholars.

    On the issue of the age of marriage in particular societies have changed largely due to the process of industrialization in recent centuries that have in many places (obviously particularly in the West) led to a style of life that has retarded (not in the sense of actual mental retardation, retarded as in slowed down) particularly the MENTAL growth and maturity of what we term youth. The children or youth in the West today are mentally babied by their parents and society they are required to go to school till 18, most of them have all their needs provided for them by “Mommy and Daddy”, etc. So naturally these youth in the West and America are not very mature (mentally). This is a recent phenomenon due to what is often termed “increasing comforts of life”. In pre-modern society, both PHYSICAL adulthood (that is PUBERTY; to put it bluntly a male being able to produce semen and thus impregnate a female; and a female having her period, producing eggs and being able to give birth to a baby. This happened in modern times in just one example in 1933 in Peru 5 year old Lina Medina gave birth to a child and MENTAL adulthood (aka maturity) were reached at the SAME TIME. This again has changed in modern times, a good book on this is called “The Invention of Childhood” by author Hugh Cunningham

    In modern times since the speed at which mental adulthood or maturity has largely slowed down and become (at least often in the West lol, i.e. immature babied youth) most often after the time of actual PHYSICAL puberty (when a male again produces semen and a female menstruates and produces eggs). This is modern times every Muslim majority nation I can think of has upped their minimum age of marriage in the law, is this allegedly “going against” Islamic law, no this is actually following Islamic law. Read from:

    Quote- First of all, it is untrue that Islamic age of consent is lower in modern times compared to other laws. For example, the US and other countries currently allow marriage well under the age of 16 with pregnancy, or parental or court approval.[97] In contrast, 17 Islamic countries have age of consent ranging from 15 to 18 years with parental consent,[98] [99] [100] [101] [102] [103] [104] [105] [106] [107] [108] [109] [110] [111] [112] [113] [114] which was raised specifically as an implementation of Islamic Law.[115] [116]
    In fact, because of the contemporary delay in maturity, marriage at puberty today would violate 6 basic Islamic rules:

    1) “Rushd”, psychological maturity, or “prudent judgement” is required before marriage.[117] [118]

    2) No one should harm anyone else. [119] [120] [121] [122]

    3) People’s best interests must be observed.[123]

    4) No one should bear any burden beyond their capacity. [124] [125] [126] [127] [128]

    5) Governments and guardians are entrusted to act correctly.[129] [130] [131]

    6) Compliance to “urf”, new social norms that are considered good.[132] [133] [134]

    Citation [132] Tafseer Al Nasafi:
    {command to what is Urf} (Quran: The Heights 7:199, p. 176)
    “What is considered good and fine among actions, or every feature that reason confirms and that Islamic Law accepts.”
    {وَأْمُرْ بِالْعُرْفِ}
    بالمعروف والجميل من الأفعال أو هو كل خصلة يرتضيها العقل ويقبلها الشرع

    end quote.

    Also in closing I recommend this good quick lecture on this overall topic by Shaykh Hamza Yusuf to everyone.

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