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The Nuclear Card

Retreat! The Mooslims Conquer Google!

Posted on 11 November 2010 by Garibaldi

The offending Google Crescent

When we saw the Google logo this morning that comemorated Veterans day and noticed that the tip of the letter “e” from “Google” remotely resembled 1/5th of a Crescent moon, we joked about how it would be only a matter of time before some loon individual or group complained to Google about it.

Sure enough, we didn’t have to wait long before we got our loon with a severe case of Park51 syndrome! Danny Gonzalez, the Director of Communication for MAF (Moving America Forward) sent a press release accusing Google of offending American sensitivities and the sanctity of the troops by allowing 1/5th of the letter “e” to look like 1/5th of the crescent moon therefore “obviously” making it look like Islam RULES America.

In another case of “You just can’t make this up” here is press release from MAF,

Move America Forward noticed the similarity between the Islamic Crescent moon symbol and the tail of the E in the Google logo sticking out from behind the flag in the search engine’s special Veteran’s Day graphic. Visitors might see this and infer a connection and come to their own conclusions as to what Google’s intentions would be tying Islam to Veteran’s Day. This would be cause for concern and cause widespread confusion and wild theories to fly.

We have received hundreds of emails from our members who are concerned about this and wanted us to take action against Google but for now we are giving them the benefit of the doubt and saying this was probably just a mistake and the artist did not notice the similarity.

If this was a mistake by a graphic artist it should be corrected as soon as possible, so as not to further confuse people. If this was indeed done purposefully to create a link between Veteran’s Day and Islam, then Google has seriously offended many patriotic Americans and veterans of the armed services.

Whether by mistake or design, it SHOULD be corrected as soon as possible and modified so as not to so closely resemble this religious symbol.

For further details, please contact Danny Gonzalez at (714) 926-6189 or Danny@MoveAmericaForward.org (emphasis mine)

I would take Danny up on that offer to contact him. Let him know how much of a threat this really is!

125 Comments For This Post

  1. mindy1 Says:

    *Headdesk* Are you f@#$% kidding me? Shouldn’t he be using Veterans day to, you know HELP VETERANS???? BTW, I still think this site should post stories of Muslims in the armed forces to dispel the notion that Muslims hate the U.S.

  2. BeachVolleyball Says:

    muahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha!

  3. NassirH Says:

    Hahaha! It seems that the line between schizophrenia and Islamophobia is becoming exceedingly thin.

  4. Crow Says:

    It kind of looked like one-fifth of a crescent moon…well its good to know there are patriotic americans that caught googles insidious plot.

  5. The Sphinx Says:

    What a moment of Zen this is…

  6. love each other Says:

    even the solar system is acting funny… making the crescent moon appear above the homeland each month.

  7. Alex Says:

    These people are to be pitied, not hated. Quaking in their little boots every time they see a semicircle.

  8. Rob Says:

    bwahahahaha! Go islam Go!

  9. froger29 Says:

    I emailed Danny and let him know Google would be correcting this mistake…………tomrrow

  10. Jack Cope Says:

    Goodness, we are all powerful! We didn’t even have to do anything and there you have it, we have Google. This world domination thing is a doddle isn’t it folks? Damn if I’d known I’d have sold the secret arctic base to developers, packed in wasting my time with doomsday devices and just sat there being me, a normal Muslim… WHY DID NO ONE TELL ME!!! DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY YEARS I WASTED?!?!

    On a related note, I have one used but as new secret arctic base for sale. Situated under 50 ft of pack ice with beautiful views of the arctic tundra, it comes equipped with amenities such as a launch pad, laboratory, piranha tank, cryogenic prison, penthouse suite and my patented really-slow-cutting-people-in-half-laser. Ramp access throughout for you evil geniuses who still go for the tried-and-tested ‘wheelchair-bound-madman-in-lab-coat-with-Persian-cat’ look. I’ll throw in a death satellite thingy as well.

  11. Justin Says:

    “Hundreds of emails”? This is just sad. Too sad for words…

  12. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    mindy1

    “…I still think this site should post stories of Muslims in the armed forces to dispel the notion that Muslims hate the U.S.”

    i don’t know Mindy. i really don’t think Muslims should be joining any non-Muslim armed forces, i certainly don’t think Muslims should join the US armed forces as a proof of their love of America. Nationalism is the new tribalism and it makes me sick every time Muslims declare how much they love America in order to prove they are OK. Saying i am Muslim or Christian or Jewish should be enough since the ones who truly practice those religions love G-d and all humanity. surely the love of G-d supercedes all love for humanity.And the love of humanity supercedes the love of any nation.

    i think Loonwatch does a great job, but i have yet to see pieces on the The Three GREATEST anti-Islamic loons of all time: Ali Sina, Mumin Salih and Ibn Warraq.

    There that was my off topic rant or vent, whatever you wanna call it, for the day. I promise to stay on topic in my next post.

    Allahu A’lam

  13. Farlowe Says:

    See the crescent-like pattern on my piece of toast? That’s PROOF of Islam taking over my toaster! :-)

  14. Everybody's Dad Says:

    @muhammad

    As you probably know, Ali Sina’s rather juvenile ramblings (since he doesn’t even try to make them respectable…kinda’ like Hugh Fitzgerald) have been refuted by Bassam Tibi and Sami Zataari of AnsweringChristianity.com. Though it probably wouldn’t hurt for LW’s excellent team to take him on as well. Assuming he’s a real person, of course.

    I haven’t heard of Salih but I would really like to see one of Warraq. I’ve seen excellent refutations of some of his (and other theories) work on Islamic Awareness though..

  15. Dawood Says:

    Farlowe: Either that or you just took a bite from the toast? lol!

  16. Mosizzle Says:

    Next they will discover that croissants were a secret Mooslim plan to force feed French people the Islamic religion.

  17. Franczeska Says:

    I wonder how they feel about Croissant Rolls. Not just Crescent-shaped, but French as well. A certain percentage of Islamophobes are Francophobes. And what about the Crescent Spice logo? Lucky Charms cereal with crescent-shaped yellow moons? That flag from the American Revolution that has a Crescent Moon in the upper-left-hand corner on a blue field?

  18. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Google evidence of a creeping Islamic takeover? google? The same google that the FBI uses to spy on Muslims by gleaning info from its servers(they deny it of course)? Right. If anyone comes here selling that line i got a few more stories for you:

    The croissant, it was invented in Europe to celebrate the defeat of a Muslim invasion at the decisive Battle of Tours by the Franks in 732, with the shape representing the Islamic crescent. Or maybe,

    It was invented in Vienna, Austria in 1683 to celebrate the defeat of the Turks to Polish forces in the Turkish siege of the city, as a reference to the crescents on the Turkish flags, when bakers staying up all night heard the tunneling operation and gave the alarm;

    Everybody’s Dad Says:

    “@muhammad

    As you probably know, Ali Sina’s rather juvenile ramblings (since he doesn’t even try to make them respectable…kinda’ like Hugh Fitzgerald) have been refuted by Bassam Tibi and Sami Zataari of AnsweringChristianity.com. Though it probably wouldn’t hurt for LW’s excellent team to take him on as well. Assuming he’s a real person, of course.”

    i’m not so sure Bassam Tibi and Sami Zataari do that good a refutation with respect to Sina. The Loonwatchers here seem to have better arguments. i’d love to see the comments section of a Loonwatch piece about Ali Sina!

    “I haven’t heard of Salih but I would really like to see one of Warraq.I’ve seen excellent refutations of some of his (and other theories) work on Islamic Awareness though..”

    Warraq and Sina are very similar, but unlike the doubt that can be cast on the veracity of their claims to have been Muslims, Salih credibly sounds like a former Muslim.

    Allahu A’lam

  19. Mohammed Abbasi Says:

    Mashallah! Sheikh Google Zindabad! :P

  20. Abz2000.com Says:

    To set the record straight – the crescent moon and star are not symbols of Islam and I have never found in any narration that the prophet pbuh or his companions used it, from research, I have found that it was adopted by certain individuals in turkey who were attempting to “reform Islam” and it is also used in witchcraft the other way around Ie the star on the left of the crescent with the points facing left, google witchcraft crescent star if you don’t believe me, and also crescent star turkey,
    Peace
    Abz

  21. Nur Alia Says:

    I wonder sometimes if the terrorists have really one.

    It is amazing how many islamophobes are looking over thier shoulder for symbols of this ‘islamic take over’

    So…since the ‘cresent moon’ is a phase of the moon, are they going to outlaw that soon?

  22. Watcher4 Says:

    Ahem… South Carolina has a crescent on its flag…wonder where’s the protests?

  23. Khushboo Says:

    Well DAYUM! They caught on to us!

  24. samlebon Says:

    What about the Dreamworks logo?
    What about yummy hot croissant coming ot of the ovens every day?
    What about the moon itself?
    Go Gonzales, go, you got a lot of work to do.

  25. Dylan Says:

    My first reaction upon seeing the logo was: Some f***in lunatic is gonna think that’s a crescent and write a blog post about it.

    Sure enough.

  26. Mandy Says:

    Omgomgomg!! Does that mean Sailor Moon is a cover for Islamic radicals?!! D:

  27. Ibrahim Shareef Says:

    @samlebon: Actually, the croissant (as far as its origins are concerned) started out as what could be interpreted as an “anti-Islamic” symbol. It was started out by Europeans (I forget which country) celebrating the defeat of the Ottoman Turks who used a crescent moon on their flags.

    What’s ironic about people like Gonzalez is that they’d be the *first* to jump the free-speech bandwagon once some blasphemous, anti-Islamic cartoon comes out. Sad.

  28. Ibrahim Shareef Says:

    And Abz2000 is right that the crescent moon, in itself, has nothing to do with Islam as a symbol. I think that it has, in itself, more to do with Constantinople’s (before it became Ottoman Turkey) devotion to a certain Greek moon goddess than Islam.

  29. Ian Gould Says:

    Maybe it’s meant to commemorate the millions of Muslims who died in the British and French armies during both World Wars?

  30. Ian Gould Says:

    what’s even mroe interesting is how the Cresecent Moon came ot be assocaited with the Ottoman turks.

    Mehmet the II conquered Constantiniple in 1453.

    Mehmet was first cousin to the last Christian Emperor of Byzantium and the son and grandson of Christian Byzantine princesses.

    He based his claim on the Byzantine throne not on any religious basis but on the basis that his mother was the older sister of Constantine the XIth’s mother.

    Immediately after taking the city he adopted the title Sultan-I-Rum (Turkish for Emperor of Rome) and set abotu restoring the city and inviting Muslims and non-muslism aliek to settle there.

    He converted some churches to mosques – inclduign the Hagia sophia – he didn’t close or convert to a mosque evey orthodox church to a mosque or ban Orthodox Christianity – that was what the Christian CAtholic crsuaders did when they conquered the city earlier.

    Mehmet went on to copy as many symbols of Byzanrtine authority as possible including the crescent moon. Then like Justinian and other “Emperors of Rome” before him he set out to restore “his” empire.

    As far as Mehmet was concerned religion had very little to do with the whole affair – it was a simple dynastic switch from one branch of the ruling family to another.

  31. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Everybody’s Dad Says:

    “@muhammad

    As you probably know, Ali Sina’s rather juvenile ramblings (since he doesn’t even try to make them respectable…kinda’ like Hugh Fitzgerald) have been refuted by Bassam Tibi and Sami Zataari of AnsweringChristianity.com.”

    Wait Everybody’s Dad,did you mean Bassam Zawadi instead Bassam Tibi? Tibi sounds like a traitor with his “No to Jihad and no to Shari’ah”, “no Islamization, Europeanization” and “Euroislam” BS. i don’t remember him debating Ali Sina or providing any type of rebuttal to Sina’s wild accusations. Could you provide a link, it would be much appreciated.

    Allahu A’lam

  32. Cynic Says:

    Muhammad, you should check out Call to Monotheism which is Bassam Zawadi’s site. He focuses more on Sam Shamoun than Ali Sina.

  33. Sophia Says:

    Right, so next time I burn a piece of toast and it looks like Jesus I should…write a letter to the people who manufacture the toaster or the baker? This is so confusing.

  34. halalpork Says:

    @ Ian Gould :An excellent piece of Information.Strange how the Muslims convert the Churches to Mosques but would never tolerate a Mosque turned into a Church.This is how Islam deranges one’s mind.It is a one way street.I am sure Mehmet would be rotting in HELL now.

  35. Anj Says:

    Halal dork! Christians have had many victories in many conflicts with muslims. They have occupied lands for hundreds of years. Instead of respecting mosques or churches, they used them as stables!
    That shows you the Christian mentality of “old”.

    As for the crescent moon as an Islamic symbol, it’s not. But you can see why people have adopted that. On the 27th night in the month of Ramadan ( Leila tul qadr) the Quran was revealed.
    On the 27th night of a ramadan the moon is in a crescent shape.

  36. Eternel Says:

    Eat a croissant every morning, it’s tasteful and harmless unlike…you know what.

  37. Rob Says:

    “Eat a croissant every morning, it’s tasteful and harmless unlike…you know what.”

    halal pork?

  38. Eternel Says:

    @Rob
    That’s a good one !
    Halal pork is a little bit (how shall I put it…) indigestible sometimes but don’t forget nevertheless that he hates a creepy backward insane cult forged by an all but perfect man. Good point for him, isn’t it ?

  39. Imad Says:

    @ eternal

    Unlike eating a BK BREAKFAST OMELETTE SANDWICH?!! :P are you resisting the jihad by eating our holy symbol? Like MY Muslim family does? HOLY POOP! IS MY MUSLIM FAMILY SOMEHOW SLOWING DOWN THE STEALTH JIHAD?!?

  40. Crow Says:

    Eat a croissant every morning it’s tasteful and harmless unlike you know what. yes, agreed eating the crap the Islamaphobes want people to eat is very harmful

  41. Imad Says:

    @ Crow:

    No, no, I think s/he is referring to the BK breakfast omelette sandwich. Good guess tho

  42. Arman Says:

    This has signs of Mooslim Work all over it. Even the US flag has been desecrated. :-)

  43. Mike Says:

    HAHAHAHHA.. I saw this yesterday and joked about it too. I told my wife, look I bet the Islamophobes are going to make some cospiracy theory out of this.. HAHAHAHAHHA.. WOOOOOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWww

  44. halalpork Says:

    Every thing HARAM is HALAL in ISLAM.Just as PAEDOPHILLIA is HALAL SEX IN ISLAM and sanctified by our holy prophet.And every thing Unholy is Holy in Islam.No offence,please.Just a simple observation.

  45. Cynic Says:

    Halal Pork,

    Lies =/= simple observations…plain and simple.

  46. Tomas Says:

    Bakeries all over the U.S. are infiltrated by mooslemz by indoctrinating us with subliminal Croissants!!!

  47. moorishamerican Says:

    Too Bad Halalpork,
    There are THOUSANDS OF VICTORY CHURCHES all over Spain and the Balkans.

  48. Kevin Says:

    I emailed Danny, but I’m suspicious. Glenn told me that Danny is Muslim for “I will build my victory mosque next door to you”. I think Danny is in on the whole insidious nastiness – it’s an inside job – it’s a plot – aacchh!

  49. marco Says:

    Oh rats. Our masterplan has been foiled yet again. Back to the drawing board, and time to work on our new masterplan to help Islam take over America.

  50. Nabeel Says:

    LOLOLOLLOLOLOL HAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAHA

  51. mindy1 Says:

    @marco :lol:

  52. Justin Says:

    HalalPork is proud to be a racist and a liar.

  53. Zakariya Ali Sher Says:

    Hahaha, seriously? We took over Google? How come nobody told me? I guess I was too busy retaking al-Andalous to get the memo. Come on guys, next time you’ll have to forward it to my hidden P.O. box in Tehran. LOL. I guess we better get to work halalifying Google. Of course since we already got http://www.imhalal.com I’m really not sure what we are supposed to ‘gain’ by taking over google.

    In all seriousness, does anybody wonder if Gonsalez and the other people running this hysteria are REALLY that paranoid/stupid/ignorant that they buy into this? I mean sure, the faceless masses who forward these e-mails will believe anything. They are stupid and driven by bigotry and fear-mongering. But the people at the center… I can’t help but wonder if they have some agenda with all this. Maybe it’s just an attempt at showing their muscle by trying to intimidate Google. If they get concessions, then they know they can make a name for themselves. Or maybe they have some other agenda against Google. Perhaps little robbie and pam fell in their search ratings or some anti-Muslim ad got pulled from google.

    Maybe I’m reading far too much into our enemies, attributing greater forethought than they are capable of, but it does make one wonder.

    About the rest of it, meh. The apocryphal story I had always heard from a professor of mine (who was a Muslim from the former Yugoslavia) was that the croissant was invented to commemorate the Hapsburg victory during the siege of Vienna. I’d never heard it attributed to Tours before. It is a good story, though likely apocryphal as he said. It’s entirely likely croissants had existed in some form or another before later being associated with Vienna due to their shape. Certainly people from Central/Eastern Europe today seem to know the story. *shrugs*

    The crescent itself is an old symbol. As mentioned by some previous posters, the crescent moon has been used as a symbol of the Wiccan faith, Greek devotion to Artemis, as a symbol of Isis in ancient Egypt, as a sign of heaven in Turkish and Mongol shamanism (and some similar traditions in the Americas), a symbol of Lord Shiva in Hinduism, and as a heraldic emblem in both medieval Christianity and Islam. How it came to be associated with Islam isn’t exactly clear. In fact our tradition is pretty aniconic in general. The Prophet Muhammad, the Ahl ul Bayt, and the early Arab dynasties used solid colored flags (green, black or white). The Fatimid Caliphate used a solid green flag, just like modern day Libya.

    Like I said, both Christian and Muslim heraldry used the crescent during the Middle Ages (and one can see this on several European coat-of-arms and seals). But the way I heard it, it became firmly established as a ‘Muslim symbol’ due to the Turks, for whom the symbol had traditionally represented the abstract concept of heaven in their traditional shamanistic religion. It’s not a huge leap to see how such a symbol could be co-opted. Christianity had done the same with various European pagan symbols. The fact that the Turks were so successful against the Crusaders and dominated most of the Middle East, Eastern Europe, India and Central Asia pretty much guranteed that Turkish symbols and cultures would permeate into both the Islamic and non-Islamic worlds.

    And halal porker… I’m still confused by everything he struggles to post on these forums. Maybe he lacks understanding of the English language? Either that or he’s just off his meds today. Anyway I’m trying to figure out what is so “profane” and “unholy” about (just off the top of my head) bathing, washing hands and feet, abstaining from alcohol, etc. You know that Jews don’t eat pork either. Does that make them idolators in your eyes?

  54. JD Says:

    Mayby we should wait untill the Moving America Forward office headquarters puts up xmas lights for the holidays and then we can complain about the Christianize of America

    2. We should Email Moving America Forward and ask them if the 10,000 Muslim military men and women one of them my cousin muslim religion also offends them since the goal of that org is “Join Move America Forward and help support the brave men and women of our armed forces,”…..

  55. mindy1 Says:

    @JD Tell your cousin thanks for serving :D

  56. Yaman Says:

    I am not even shocked, LOOOOL

  57. Jack Cope Says:

    No, that’s not a good point for him Eternal, what he hates is something, put him back a few decades and he’d be hating Jews, before that it would probably be Catholics. It’s how it goes with that sort of person. And Islam is not a “creepy backward insane cult forged by an all but perfect man”, I think we’d know wouldn’t you?

  58. JD Says:

    (This is from a elected US goverment official that I pay salary with my Taxes and want to watch out for me as a US Citizen)

    CAIR: KANSAS LAWMAKER EQUATES U.S. MUSLIMS, KILLERS – TOP
    Kansas lawmaker says he didn’t mean to offend anyone
    By Tim Carpenter, Topeka Capitol-Journal, 11/11/10

    The Kansas Democratic Party requested Thursday that a Kansas House Republican retract his statements suggesting that Muslims can’t be considered good Americans.

    Rep. Joe Seiwert, a Pretty Prairie Republican re-elected this month to another two-year term, sent an e-mail recently to about 40 people indicating Muslims couldn’t be considered U.S. patriots because they owed their allegiance to Islam.

    He also said during an interview with The Hutchinson News that he stood by his belief regarding the loyalty of Muslims.

    When asked about the Muslims living in Reno County, Seiwert said: “Sure, there’s murderers. There’s tax evasion people. There’s all kinds of people” living in his district….

    Ibrahim Hooper, a spokesman for the Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations, said the message is “one of the more prominent anti-Muslim e-mails out there.”

    “Unfortunately, there are a lot of these anti-Muslim e-mails that have gone viral on the Internet,” he said. “Obviously, it would trouble us anytime an elected official would promote anti-Islamic bigotry.”

  59. Mikebloke Says:

    Oh no! What will they think when they realise the Crescent was a Pagan symbol adopted by Christianity :o

    (Psst, we should so take over Facebook next).

  60. Garo Says:

    The American dollar bill has an image of the Great Pyramid of Egypt.

    Question:

    Does that mean that Egypt is in control when it comes to printing our basic paper currency? Well,Egypt has hard time,like the U.S.,in paying its own foreign debt.

    It looks like that some people have no shame in extrapolating their Islamophobia to a new hieght of human’s mockery.

  61. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    @ Cynic

    “Muhammad, you should check out Call to Monotheism which is Bassam Zawadi’s site. He focuses more on Sam Shamoun than Ali Sina.”

    i have read all of the Ali Sina rebuttals on that site and find most of them lacking. i could do a better job,as could your average Muslim layperson, so i find it hard to believe that there are no good rebuttals on the internet. People i know personally and people who post on Loonwatch can do much better. i’m too busy studying to be a real(Islamic) scholar to post rebuttals.

    Allahu A’lam

  62. Ian Gould Says:

    “An excellent piece of Information.Strange how the Muslims convert the Churches to Mosques but would never tolerate a Mosque turned into a Church.”

    What do you think happened to all the mosques in Spain when the Christians conquered it?

    Emphasis on “all”.

  63. Ian Gould Says:

    “The Cathedral and former Great Mosque of Córdoba, in ecclesiastical terms the Catedral de Nuestra Señora de la Asunción (English: Cathedral of Our Lady of the Assumption), and known by the inhabitants of Córdoba as the Mezquita-Catedral (English: Mosque–Cathedral), is today a World Heritage Site and the Cathedral of the diocese of Córdoba. The site was primarily a pagan temple, then a Visigothic Christian church, before the Umayyad Moors at first converted the building into a mosque, and then built a new mosque on the site. [1] It is located in the Andalusian city of Córdoba, Spain. The Mezquita is regarded as perhaps the most accomplished monument of the Umayyad Caliphate of Córdoba. After the Spanish Reconquista, it once again became a Roman Catholic church, with a plateresque cathedral later inserted into the centre of the large Moorish building.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Mosque_of_C%C3%B3rdoba

    Over a century ago, the Trusk converted the Hagia Sophia into a museum.

    The former Grand Mosque is still a Catholic cathedral.

  64. Eternel Says:

    @Ian Gould
    Most of these mosques in Spain were initially churches as you put it yourself. They were reverted to churches after the REconquista.
    But it doesn’t really matter.
    The reason of the strongest is always the best, isn’t it ?
    Delenda Est Mecca

  65. Jack Cope Says:

    Eternal, if you’re going to insist on using crap Latin then all I can say to you is, once again, Romanes Eunt Domus. Come back to me when you know the significance of that.

    As for the whole Church/Mosque thing, it cut both ways and to be honest, I don’t think many people give a tinkers. What can be said is that the Christians were *far* more ‘unkind’ when it came to getting rid of Mosques. Unkind being an understatement.

  66. Abdulmajid Says:

    Those Islamophobes, always only making fools of themselves…
    And yes, continue your blind hatred, the more you do the stronger we will become.
    And yes, history proves that for the most, Christians have been more cruel to Muslims than vice versa.

  67. Eternel Says:

    @Jack Cope

    Romanes Eunt Domus
    Romans go home, speaking of crap Latin. From what I have gathered on the net, it seems to be related with the Monty Pythons.
    That must be a private joke. To be honest, I am not such a big fan of the Monty Pythons but as a muslim, I am not surprised you are.
    Pythons and nonsense, islam in a nutshell !

    Hail Caesar !

  68. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:

    “@Jack Cope..

    …From what I have gathered on the net,”

    This speaks volumes about your level of scholarship and knowledge. Just give up, it’s over for you. Jihadwatch and islam-watch and other sites like it will welcome you with open arms. Go there.

    Allahu A’lam

  69. Eternel Says:

    @Muhammas abd al haqq
    Quite funny to be lectured by a backward freak ! It’s a treat.
    Study well the Monty Pythons and the Koran, your main sources of knowledge…

  70. Adam Says:

    I find warraq is often quoted as an ‘ex-muslim islamic scholar’
    He must be refuted, if for no other reason than to break the reputation he has as a legit academic of islam.

  71. Jack Cope Says:

    Actually Eternal, my sources of knowledge are boundless and unlimited, in fact as ordered by the Qu’ran I adsorb knowledge to use it for the betterment of mankind. Rather than just pissing people off. Or being childish.

    I am not surprised you cannot understand the Pythons, too advanced for you perhaps. Yes, it is stupidity but stupidity with a message, again if, as you seem to do, you only look at the surface of everything you come into contact with then you’ll fail to understand a lot of things in life. It does show.

    And your little jab about being lectured by ‘backward freaks’ really is telling of you Eternal. I think I know all I need to know, you are a just more advanced Mr Pork, a Pork MkII if you like.

    Peace Be Upon You

  72. Eternel Says:

    @Jack Cope
    Yes Jack too advanced for me. Please think deeper and deeper…

  73. Jack Cope Says:

    Eternal, I’m so deep in thought I’m drowning. Now please go away, you’re ruining the board.

  74. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:

    “@Muhammas abd al haqq
    Quite funny to be lectured by a backward freak ! It’s a treat.
    Study well the Monty Pythons and the Koran, your main sources of knowledge…”

    Lol, spell my name right. And i don’t know anything about mighty python, but i do know you need much more than a lecture. But i will let Allah deal with you as it is not my place. Calling me a backward freak with no evidence while there is plenty evidence on this board of your backwardness and freakiness is rich.

    May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth.

    Allahu A’lam

  75. Eternel Says:

    “Lol, spell my name right. And i don’t know anything about mighty python,”

    Almighty Pythons indeed !
    Please Muhammad stop making an ass of yourself, I’m getting embarrassed.

  76. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:

    “Lol, spell my name right. And i don’t know anything about mighty python,”

    Almighty Pythons indeed !
    Please Muhammad stop making an ass of yourself, I’m getting embarrassed.”

    The only thing that you should be embarrassed about is your own stupidity and your blatant refusal to deal with the entire post, and your carefully responding only to “Lol, spell my name right. And i don’t know anything about mighty python,” to give an incoherent response and misrepresent my response.

    Again, May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth.

    Allahu A’lam

  77. Justin Says:

    All of these Islamophobes like Spencer, Geller, Ali Sina, Ibn Warraq and other all use the exact same cut-and-past selective citation smear tactics against Islam. Rather than refuting each one individually, Muslims should simply cite the verses, hadith, scholars, and facts that blatantly contradict their anti-Muslim canards. Like this one:

    «إِنَّهُ سَيَكُونُ بَعْدِي اخْتِلَافٌ أَوْ أَمْرٌ فَإِنِ اسْتَطَعْتَ أَنْ يَكُونَ السِّلْمَ فَافْعَل»

    Narrated Ali: The Prophet said: “After me there will be many differences, so if you have a way to end them in peace, then do so.”

    [Ahmad Musnad, Tafsir ibn Kathir verse 8:61]
    http://www.tafsir.com/default.asp?sid=8&tid=20505

  78. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    @ Eternel

    Don’t make me bring up all the posts you had absolutely no response for. Or how i exposed you for the loony troll that you are when i caught you quoting verbatim from Anti-Islamic websites and posting identical posts in different comment sections literally seconds after each other. Don’t make post the literally pages of refutations directed at you from other Loonwatchers here besides myself. if you’re embarrassed now, just wait.

    Again, May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth.

    Allahu A’lam

  79. Eternel Says:

    You haven’t stopped Muhammad…

  80. Justin Says:

    Like so… JihadBob or Eternal are welcome to explain these away. :)

    The Holy Quran strongly forbids murder.

    Allah Almighty commands the believers, “…do not take the life Allah has made sacred, except by right. This is what He commands you to do, that perhaps you will use your reason.”
    (Surat al-An’am 6:151)

    Allah Almighty describes the believers as, “…those who never invoke any other deity beside Allah, nor take a life, which Allah has made sacred, except in the pursuit of justice, nor commit adultery.”
    (Surat al-Furqan 25:68)

    Allah Almighty says, “If anyone kills a believer deliberately, the punishment for him is Hell, and there he will remain. Allah is angry with him, and rejects him, and has prepared a tremendous punishment for him.”
    (Surat an-Nisa 4:93)

    The Highest Objectives of Islamic Law (Maqasid al-Sharia) are the protection of life, property, mind, family, and honor.

    Imam Abu Hamid al-Ghazali states that, “it is known with certainty that preservation of human life, the faculty of reason, chastity, and material possession are the intent of the Law.”

    (Shifa al-Ghalil, as quoted in Imam Al-Shatibi’s Theory of the Higher Objectives and Intents of Islamic Law by Ahmad al-Raysuni, International Institute of Islamic Thought, p. 19)

    He who kills a single person unlawfully is as if he sanctioned murder against all people.

    Allah Almighty says, “On account of [Cain’s deed], We decreed for the Children of Israel that if anyone kills a person—unless in retribution for murder or spreading corruption in the land—it is as if he kills all mankind, while if any saves a life it is as if he saves the lives of all mankind.”
    (Surat al-Maidah 5:32)

    It is strictly forbidden to kill women, children, and non-combatant civilians.

    Allah Almighty says, “Fight in Allah’s cause against those who fight you, but do not transgress. Allah does not love those who transgress.”
    (Surat al-Baqarah 2:190)

    Ibn Abbas said: “Do not kill women, children, old men, or anyone who meets you with peace restraining his hand from fighting. If you did that, then indeed you would have committed transgression.”
    (Tafsir al-Tabari, verse 2:190)

    Al-Hasan Al-Basri said that transgression, “includes mutilating the dead, theft, killing women, children and old people who do not participate in warfare, killing priests and residents of houses of worship, burning down trees and killing animals without real benefit.”
    (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, verse 2:190)

    Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: “During some of the battles of Allah’s Messenger a woman was found killed, so Allah’s Messenger forbade the killing of women and children.”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 4 Book 52 Number 258)

    The sin of murder is a form of disbelief in Allah.

    Narrated Abdullah bin Umar: The Prophet said, “After me, do not become disbelievers by striking the necks of one another.”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9 Book 83 Number 7)

    He who murders loses his religion.

    Narrated Ibn Umar: Allah’s Messenger said, “A faithful believer remains at liberty regarding his religion unless he kills somebody unlawfully.”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9 Book 83 Number 2)

    The sin of murder is a snare from which no one can escape.

    Narrated Abdullah Ibn Umar: “Certainly, among the most troublesome matters from which there is no escape for the one involved is to shed sacred blood without a lawful mandate.”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 3)

    The first cases to be judged on the Day of Resurrection are murders.

    Narrated Abdullah: The Prophet said, “The first cases to be decided among the people will be those of murder.”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9, Book 83, Number 4)

    Betrayal of peace treaties and treacherous assassinations are strictly forbidden.

    Allah Almighty says, “Honor your pledges: you will be questioned about your pledges.”
    (Surat al-Isra 17:34)

    Narrated Abu Sa’id: the Messenger of Allah said: “On the Day of Judgment there will be a flag for every person guilty of the breach of covenant. It will be raised in proportion to the extent of his guilt; and there is no guilt of treachery more serious than the one committed by the ruler of men.”
    (Sahih Muslim, Book 19 Number 4310)

    Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Prophet said: “Faith prevented assassination. A believer does not assassinate.”
    (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14 Number 2763)

    The one who violates treaties, visas, or other contracted security laws will not even smell Paradise.

    Narrated Abdullah bin Amr: The Prophet said: “Whoever killed a person protected by a treaty shall not smell the fragrance of Paradise though its fragrance can be found at a distance of forty years (of traveling).”
    (Sahih Bukhari, Volume 9 Book 83 Number 49)

    Narrated Abu Bakrah: The Prophet said: “If anyone kills a man whom he grants protection prematurely, Allah will forbid him to enter Paradise.”
    (Sunan Abu Dawud, Book 14 Number 2754)

    http://www.saracen.us

  81. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    ^Busted!

    Eternel Says:
    November 13th, 2010 at 6:03 pm

    “http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/11/12/woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy/”

    posted in Muslims and Christians Condemn Baghdad Church Massacre, followed by

  82. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:
    November 13th, 2010 at 6:04 pm

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/11/12/woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy/

    in Ahmed Rehab: The Real Meaning of Islam

    Keep the laughs coming eternel

    Again, May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth.

    Allahu A’lam

  83. Eternel Says:

    http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/11/12/woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy/

  84. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:
    November 13th, 2010 at 6:08 pm

    “You haven’t stopped Muhammad…”

    And you haven’t stopped projecting, accusing me of making an a$$ of myself(!) eternel, it seems you have run out of steam. Your response is typical of someone who refuses to engage someone they know outmatches them.

    Again, May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth.

    Allahu A’lam

  85. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Eternel Says:
    November 13th, 2010 at 6:13 pm

    “http://freethinker.co.uk/2010/11/12/woman-faces-death-for-blasphemy/”

    The above post by eternelnut has been marked as spam. Yes Loonwatch, i am compiling my evidence of just exactly who should be banned.

    Allahu A’lam

  86. Beautiful Muslim Doll Says:

    Eternel,

    Get your ugly face out of here. Thank God Cheryl left, why don’t you follow here lead and get lost. Go to Jihad Watch, or Gellers site, or other cesspools,

    Why do you come here? Do you really think we cannot debunk your nonsense? You and your ilk will never ever, shift our opinions, nor influence us in any way, not one iota, so why are you wasting your time?

    Now, get lost! come one! Scoot!

  87. Eternel Says:

    Mighty python, nasty muslim puppet, some living-drowned…
    That’s a hell of an horror show, popping out from the screens sometimes (see link above).
    Mankind can do much better.

  88. Beautiful Muslim Doll Says:

    Eternel

    Just to give you an insight into your low IQ mentality

    Stoning means we should quit our religion? Did it not enter your pathetic mind, that it cannot outlawed as it’s not in the Quran, or that a different interpretation may be the majority opinion or that it may be abused by misogynists?

    and the grandest irony of all, why aren’t you questioning Jews why that punishment is in the Old Testament? Why us? At the time of The Prophet, the Jews used that punishment for adultery, Since you obviously believe the Quran was copied from the Old Testament, go and ask those who hold the “original” stoning commands.

    Like I said GET LOST AND GET OUT, stop polluting this site

  89. Sean Says:

    Maybe Google should switch to an uppercase “E”. But then, it would look like the lower part of a backwards swastika and…and.. then it must be ANTI-SEMITIC! Yaaaah, get Mr Foxman on the phone. EMERGENCY!!!!

  90. Khushboo Says:

    BMD, we have mentioned this to the loons many times but they don’t care. They just want to demonize us because we’re the 2nd biggest religion and they’re afraid they will no longer be majority. They don’t care to find the truth. They’re selfish bigots who simply don’t want to share.

  91. Halal pork Says:

    @ Beautiful Muslim Doll ;You have lost your empty head with Eternal beacause fortunately Eternal holds the Eternal Truth against your Eternal Lie called ISLAM.You have got to admit that you lose the argument when you lose your head.What ever Mohammad preached,he practiced entirely contrary to that.You have a little COCO-NUT BRAIN unfortunately.Have you ever observed that a coco-nut like you has ears,which can not hear.It has eyes which can not see and it is completely closed.I, once ,met a lovely Muslim woman.The first thing she told me was:I am a Muslim:I felt very moved and told her:I feel sorry for you.My sentiments are the same for you.

  92. Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony Says:

    We know when loons have lost the argument ,they resort to insults.
    ;-)

  93. Cynic Says:

    SHUT UP COCO-NUT!!1

  94. Imad Says:

    @ halal pig meat

    I sure hope that Muslim woman slapped you in the face.

  95. Sourin Mahbub Says:

    Eternal:

    I’m very happy for you. It must be blissful to be as useless an idiot as you are, strutting around with your double digit IQ proclaiming the “eternal truth” of your Bible.

    After a long, arduous day of proselytizing on loonwatch (while very strangely masquerading as a troll), you get to go home and lie in the same bed with Halal Pork, that paragon of pedagogy. So formidable is his intellect, that he knows things that don’t even exist!

    You seem to have it made.

  96. anon-e-mouse Says:

    haraam pork, which it always will be, is a fool, see you people will never be happy till we follow you twats, it was told. you c**ts will try and make it halaal but only your mothers will eat it. everyone here please stop writing out halaal.., and his mothers name after it, it doesnt exist. this pig needs to be put on blast. Ayoba!

  97. Cervantes fan Says:

    This Loony is utterly QUIXOTIC!

    Anyone check if this poor deluded fool, Danny Gonzalez, thinks he is descended from the literary lampoon Don Quixote.

    They have moved from tilting at windmills to mosques & now Google!

  98. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    haraam pork

    Look at you defending your atheistic blasphemer friend. i’d be careful if i were you

    “@ Beautiful Muslim Doll ;You have lost your empty head with Eternal beacause fortunately Eternal holds the Eternal Truth against your Eternal Lie called ISLAM.”

    Only Allah holds the Eternal Truth, so be careful defending a blasphemer lest you be counted amongst them. i refused to capitalize the word eternel, when referring to your loony cohort, once i remembered that is a name for Allah in my native language. i warn you to be careful unless you’re part of that loony crowd that believes Islam and Christianity have different gods because the Jews and Arabs call him by different names.

    “What ever Mohammad preached,he practiced entirely contrary to that.”

    It has never occurred to you loons that the best way to discredit Islam is to forge or misinterpret stories about Muhammad(saws) in order to make him seem to practice contrary to what he preached. Or wait, maybe you loons do realize it, which is why you spend so much time maligning the character of the Prophet(as). Nice job admitting that the Prophet(as) preached contrary to what you accuse him of practicing, though.

    We are the ones who feel sorry for a Christian in league with a blaspheming atheist just to fight against Islam. It goes towards your moral character.

    @Sourin Mahbub

    i think eternelidiot is an atheist and haraam pork is the evangelical loon.

    Allahu A’lam

  99. Melissa Says:

    Hahahahahahahahahahahahahaha! Oh god , they CAN’T be serious.

  100. Mohammed Abbasi Says:

    Forget that even space is Islamified! How many times have you guys seen crescents?…. If the Tea Party Klansterss find out that we are goners….

  101. Sulayman F Says:

    MAF is a pretty far right-wing organization. Their news feed has an article on why the US should bomb Iran immediately just to take out their army (no reasons of nuclear weapons or anything, just mainly a show of force).

    I emailed the guy to ask him to clarify what’s so bad about a crescent, since there are flags and crosses in images and nobody cares.

  102. Justin Says:

    Why does these trollish Islamophobes never ever EVER respond to the clear Islamic texts I post that debunk their absurd canards? I think they’ve decided they want to hate on Muslims even if the basis of that hate is a delusion…

  103. halalpork Says:

    @ Imad ;The Muslim women,I have come across,have been extremely beautiful and understanding.They sadly feel very insecure and worthless because they are so easily replacable with younger models and only considered as sex machines and objects of lust with low self esteem in Islam.Women have half the amount of brain as compred to men according to Mohammad who saw mostly women in the Hell. Thus your Muslim women feel miserble and so insecure .Mohammad used to distribute women of war booty to his Son-in-laws like Ali and Umar-bin-Khitab and other followers.What would her daughter Fatima feel about that ,have you ever thought?Even the animals have more sense of dignity.Would you like your father to treat your sister like that?Islam is like a vast desert with the MIRAGE of JANNAT full of HOURIES andGHULMAN promised to the Muslim men.What about poor women?Would they also get 72 STUDS with permanent erection?Get out of your world of your demonic delusions.You sadly treat your women worse than cows.When a BULL sires a cow,then the other cows keep quiet and suffer without feeing jealous,just like your poor Muslim women.

  104. Justin Says:

    @HalalPork

    “Another of His signs is that He created spouses from among yourselves for you to live with in tranquillity: He ordained love and kindness between you. There truly are signs in this for those who reflect.” (30:21)

    “You who believe, it is not lawful for you to inherit women against their will, nor should you treat your wives harshly, hoping to take back some of the bride-gift you gave them, unless they are guilty of something clearly outrageous. Live with them in accordance with what is fair and kind: if you dislike them, it may well be that you dislike something in which God has put much good.” (4:19)

    Narrated Abu Hurairah: The Messenger of Allah said: “Indeed, the most complete of believers in faith is the one with the best character, and the best of you are those who are best to your women.”
    [Jami At-Tirmidhi, Book 10 Number 1162]

    Narrated Aisha: The Messenger of Allah said: “Indeed, the most complete of believers in faith is the one with the best character, and the best of you are those who are best to your families.”
    [Jami At-Tirmidhi, Book 38 Number 2612]

    Narrated Aisha: Allah’s Messenger said: “O Aisha, indeed Allah is kind and He loves kindness and confers upon kindness which he does not confer upon severity and does not confer upon anything else besides it.”
    [Sahih Muslim, Book 32 Number 6273]

  105. 3/2 of people Says:

    e is much larger than crescent moon. 1/5th of the letter e sounds acceptable. But that would be equal to half of the crescent moon.
    no judgement, just saying.

    wow, I cannot believe someone complained about this. Did google respond?

  106. halalpork Says:

    @ Justin :P lease do not bore us with your Quranic veses.I can quote you hundreds of verses to counter them because the Quran is so contrdictory.It also says that if you find any contadiction,then the revelations are not from Allah.Hence,you can draw your own conclusion.Any Hathiths you want to know about,Ayesha Ahmed on faithfreedom.org is an authority on hadiths.Dr.Robert Morey is also an authority on Islam.Stop listening to Dr.Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat.They are just twisters and can’t stand hard questions.Most of your forefathers were focibly converted to Islam.Once converted,you are in an eternal prison,from which you can not escape.

  107. Peakofelephants Says:

    MAF: Because there are no Muslim OIF/OEF veterans.

  108. Imad Says:

    @ Halal Pork

    “Would you like your father to treat your sister like that?”

    Ironically, I live with a Muslim family, have Muslim cousins and a sister and Muslim mother. The older ones wear the hijab, and they don’t feel oppressed or anything you said. In no way are my cousins and sister and mother treated the way you said. And if you said “i feel sorry for you” they would slap you in the face. They carry themselves with honor and dignity, and I admire their boldness and courage to dress how they do. I know a lot of Muslim women and see them all the time, they live normal lives and not like any way you said; youve seen one muslim woman who happened to agree with you

    Oh, and congratulations on completly brushing off Justin’s post and not proving your position.

    Top Ten Scholars: http://www.sajaforum.org/2006/08/americas_top_10.html

  109. Eternel Says:

    @halalpork

    I’m afraid that, for most of them, words won’t be enough, alas.
    You can lead a donkey to water but you can’t make him drink, especially if the water comes from an impure (see link above November 13th 6:13 pm, I won’t laugh out of respect for this poor woman).
    I have two friends who were donkeys in a previous life…they drank and they are quite happy about it.
    More and more will drink, it’s just a matter of time and suitable persuasion.

    Look at them, the fierce warriors of islam ! Reduced to pray that Westerners, Chinese and Hindus will be patient enough, that they won’t discover too soon islam is a creepy strangling joke stranded in the VIIth century. Reduced to count on our weaknesses, with only two trumps, “their” women’s oppressed wombs and their stubbornness.

    They roam every continents nowadays, as the dinosaurs did, but let me tell you they won’t rule Earth for 150 million years. Their reign is drawing to a close, look up folks !

  110. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    @ halalpork

    “@ Imad ;The Muslim women,I have come across,have been extremely beautiful and understanding.They sadly feel very insecure and worthless because they are so easily replacable with younger models and only considered as sex machines and objects of lust with low self esteem in Islam.”

    It’s always the ones who need psychiatric help who swear they have the power to delve into the minds of others. Stop speculating on what you know not.

    “Women have half the amount of brain as compred to men according to Mohammad who saw mostly women in the Hell. Thus your Muslim women feel miserble and so insecure.”

    Please provide the Quranic citation!

    “Mohammad used to distribute women of war booty to his Son-in-laws like Ali and Umar-bin-Khitab and other followers.”

    Please stop parroting faithfreedom and provide proof for your claims. i’m asking nicely.

    “Islam is like a vast desert with the MIRAGE of JANNAT full of HOURIES andGHULMAN promised to the Muslim men.What about poor women?Would they also get 72 STUDS with permanent erection?Get out of your world of your demonic delusions.”

    Did you know that when the word “hur’in” occurs in the Qur’an it is not connected to “tazwij”, which is conjugal relations or marriage(sexual intercourse)? The word “hur” itself is a plural of “ahwar”(applied to men) and haura’(applied to women). The word means pure.The other word, “‘in” is the plural of “a’yan”(applied to men) and “‘aina’”(applied to women). That word means beautiful. Both men an women receive the same rewards in Jannah in that respect. That the reward is not sensual or sexual can be ascertained by:

    “And when you look there [in Paradise] you will see a delight [that cannot be imagined]. And a great dominion” [Qur'an 76:20],

    and a hadith in Sahih Muslim:

    Book 040, Number 6782:

    Abu Huraira reported Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, said: I have prepared for My pious servants which the eye has seen not, and the ear has heard not and no human heart has ever perceived such bounties leaving aside those about which Allah has informed you. He then recited:” No soul knows what comfort has been hidden for therein”,

    which refers to:

    And [as for all such believers,] no human being can imagine what blissful delights, as yet hidden, await them [in the life to come] as a reward for all that they did.[Qur'an 32:17].

    The things of Jannah are not the things of this world, and those who obsess over an alleged 72 virgins merely reveal their own preoccupation with the sex lives of Muhammad(saws) and his followers, the Muslims. The Number 72 is gleaned from a fabricated hadith, and most Muslims never hear of this number unless a non-Muslim or an extremist Muslim mentions it.

    “You sadly treat your women worse than cows.When a BULL sires a cow,then the other cows keep quiet and suffer without feeing jealous,just like your poor Muslim women.”

    Westerners postulate that jealousy is a natural human emotion and many Christians and Jews attribute this emotion to Allah Himself. It is no wonder that the inability to feel jealous is “suffering”. A nice jibe at polygyny.

    “@ Justin :P lease do not bore us with your Quranic veses.I can quote you hundreds of verses to counter them because the Quran is so contrdictory.It also says that if you find any contadiction,then the revelations are not from Allah.Hence,you can draw your own conclusion.”

    You know good and well you have no counter verses to what Justin posts. You continue to parrot anti-Islam websites that offer no solid evidence for their bogus claims and speculative tafsir that is not rooted in the islamic tradition.You are merely upset that his posts refute your claims and you try to hide your inability to engage the subject matter properly by referring us to the real source of your “rebuttals”. See the proof below that you are a copy/pasting parrot.

    “Any Hathiths you want to know about,Ayesha Ahmed on faithfreedom.org is an authority on hadiths.”

    Is Ayesha Ahmed a muhaddith? No, then she is no authority on hadith. Nice try halal parrot

    “Dr.Robert Morey is also an authority on Islam.”

    Dr. Morey is a discredited, wanna-be archaeologist/anthropologist who promotes the “Allah is the moon god theory, even though the Qur’an explicitly states:

    41:36 And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to thee by the Evil One seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.
    41:37 Among His Signs are the Night and the Day and the sun and moon. ADORE NOT THE SUN AND THE MOON BUT ADORE ALLAH WHO CREATED THEM if it is Him ye wish to serve.
    41:38 But if they (Unbelievers) are arrogant (no matter): for in the presence of thy Lord are those who celebrate His praises by night and by day. And they never flag (nor feel themselves above it).

    “Dr.Robert Morey is also an authority on Islam.Stop listening to Dr.Zakir Naik and Ahmed Deedat.They are just twisters and can’t stand hard questions.”

    Robert Morey is not an authority on Islam as he is neither Allah or an Islamic scholar. If you believe that maybe i can start posting out of context, unresearched nonsense about Christianity and claim that i am an authority on Christianity.Neither Dr.Naik or Ahmed Deedat has ever lost a debate to any critic of Islam, and not a single member of faithfreedom has ever debated him. Give us one of those “hard questions” that cannot stand or are unable to answer. Stop worshipping Ali Sina and his goons, and please get the medical attention you need. It’s not too late.

    Allahu A’lam

  111. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    Oh My! eternelidiot, you and the other member of your unholy alliance could perhaps check into a mental hospital together. Just tell the staff you are suffering from delusions,hallucinations,paranoia,and schizophrenic episodes about Islam. And when they tell you to take your meds,TAKE THEM!

    Allahu A’lam

  112. Jack Cope Says:

    Mr Pork, let’s have those hundreds of verses then please. I’m sure we won’t mind will we folks? This must be, oh, the tenthish time you’ve claimed to be able to bring up ‘hundreds of verses’ that contradict something but every time you’ve never been able to bring up even one. So go on, do it, we are waiting. Still.

    And yes, we will keep quoting the Qu’ran thanks, kinkda makes sense to do that since we are talking about Islam here…

  113. Justin Says:

    It’s very strange that some juvenile nobody puts up a website wherein he demonstrates his complete ignorance of Arabic and the Islamic tradition, but somehow he becomes an “expert” and “authority” of Islam. Wow, Mr. Pork.

    @Jack

    I’m also interested to see what these alleged hundreds of verses are that prove Islam is the source of all evil. Whatever he brings is sure to be cut-and-pasted without reference to the verses before or after it.

  114. halalpork Says:

    @ Justin :First of all,It is not Allah the Living God who created the Heavens and the earth,the true God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob who proved himself through mighty miracles and prophesies through His true Prophets.Allah is in fact a pagan pre-islamic god of Arabia which was worshipped by the pagan polytheists along with 360 gods in Mecca.Mohammad’s father’s name was Abd-Allah.Can you explain how he got that name which means worshipper or slave of Allah.Arabic words ,unfortunately,have so many different meanings like adjusible spanner.Mohammad had no credentials to be a prophet of Holy God.He was never Inspired by the Holy Spirit but by the demonic spirit of Immaginary god of Arabs.The so called holy book called Quran revealed by Allah has so many contradictions,distorted stories from the Bible and myths from pagan sources that it loses its credibility.It also contains grammatical mistakes and is completely incoherent with arrangement of Suras according to size rather than sequence.Even the contemporary Arabs told Mohammad that they knew all those stories which they were and had heard them before.Mohammad suffered from EPILEPSY,AUDITORY AND VISIONARY HALLUCINATIONS.He had a Paranoid personality.He got ASMA BINIT MARWAN,a woman with five young chidren killed like many others.If the Muslims still worship him,they must be mad as well.Try to know JESUS of NAZRETH,the GOD in Human flesh.Study his life and compare with the life led by Mohammad and you will know the TRUTH,WHICH ONLY COULD SET YOU FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF MOHAMMAD.Read Sura 25 again and find out what the Arabs thought of Mohammad.

  115. Imad Says:

    Halal pig poop:

    Is that your argument? That the Arabs thought Mohammad was insane and delusional? Remember what happened to Jesus? He was hung in the cross! He also claims to have turned water into wine, walk on water, and be born from a virgin! Can you say DELUSIONAL?? No, I won’t because I’m respectful and God has the power to do all things in every faith. And as such a good Christian, please remember these verses, and maybe well respect you more:

    And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all … (2 Timothy 2:24).

    Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love (Ephesians 4:2).

  116. Halal pork Says:

    @ Imad :Jesus din not claim to have turned water into wine,he actually did that,He actually raised the dead to life.Have you read about Lazrus,who had been dead for four days.He fed thousands with a few loaves of bread and a few fish.He gave sight to the blind.He walked over water and storm and winds would obey his command.Evan your Quran cofims that. To compare Mohammad to Jesus is like showing a candle to the SUN.You have mentioned that your mother is a Muslim,how about your father?You could slap my face as well,but it would never stop me telling you the truth.As a genleman,I would also not raise my hand at a woman which you sound like.After all,I am not Mohammad or his follower to get a woman like ASMA BINT MARWAN killed by UMMAIR.You Muslims happen to be so morally and Intellectually blind.Only the LIVING GOD can restore your sight.Allah and Mohammad certainly can’t.Kind regards from the PIG,who has higher morals than your holy prophet.Have you ever seen a MATURE PIG ,shafting a baby PIGLET ?

  117. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    @ halalpork

    One doesn’t know where to begin! Why won’t you take our advice and seek professional help?! i’m begging you now!! Seek help!! when they tell you to take your meds, TAKE THEM PLEASE! You are only confirming your insanity to every reader, every single time you post here.You really have got to start thinking for yourself, instead of posting the same tried, refuted, nonsense from anti Islam HATE sites.

    “@ Justin :First of all,It is not Allah the Living God who created the Heavens and the earth,the true God of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob who proved himself through mighty miracles and prophesies through His true Prophets.”

    Do we really need to get into etymology nad lingustics here to put to rest once and for all this false notion that the god of the Bible and qur’an are not the same being? To quote an episode from 30 ZDays ” prove to me that the world has two gods!” Or how about the fact that an Aramaic speaker such as ‘Isa(as), the one you call Jesus, referred to god as Alaha?

    “Allah is in fact a pagan pre-islamic god of Arabia which was worshipped by the pagan polytheists along with 360 gods in Mecca.Mohammad’s father’s name was Abd-Allah.Can you explain how he got that name which means worshipper or slave of Allah.”

    You really think that pagans worshipping something nullifies its godhood? ZDid you know that the ancient Baylonians worshipped a pagan god by the name of Yahweh? Study biblical archaeology. Yahweh was referred to as the son of El long before there was Judaism to speak of. Do Christians and Jews worship a different god?

    “Arabic words ,unfortunately,have so many different meanings like adjusible spanner.”

    You actually believe, in your deluded mind that this is not a characteristic of many if not most languages; including the languages of the Bible, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek?

    “Mohammad had no credentials to be a prophet of Holy God.He was never Inspired by the Holy Spirit but by the demonic spirit of Immaginary god of Arabs.”

    You think someone can be inspired by a non existent. Read your own Bible where ‘Isa(as) declares that Satan cannot cast out Satan . The Qur’an casts out Satan. So much from your bogus demonic spirit theory.

    Al-A’raf (The Heights)

    وَإِمَّا يَنزَغَنَّكَ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ نَزْغٌ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللّهِ إِنَّهُ سَمِيعٌ عَلِيمٌ (7:200)

    Waimma yanzaghannaka mina alshshaytani nazghun faistaAAith biAllahi innahu sameeAAun AAaleemun

    7:200 And if it should happen that a prompting from Satan stirs thee up [to blind anger], [164] seek refuge with God: behold, He is all-hearing, all-knowing.

    Al-A’raf

    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ اتَّقَواْ إِذَا مَسَّهُمْ طَائِفٌ مِّنَ الشَّيْطَانِ تَذَكَّرُواْ فَإِذَا هُم مُّبْصِرُونَ (7:201)

    Inna allatheena ittaqaw itha massahum taifun mina alshshaytani tathakkaroo faitha hum mubsiroona

    7:201 Verily, they who are conscious of God bethink themselves [of Him] whenever any dark suggestion from Satan touches them [165] – whereupon, lo! they begin to see [things] clearly,

    An-Nahl

    فَإِذَا قَرَأْتَ الْقُرْآنَ فَاسْتَعِذْ بِاللّهِ مِنَ الشَّيْطَانِ الرَّجِيمِ (16:98)

    Faitha qarata alqurana faistaAAith biAllahi mina alshshaytani alrrajeemi

    16:98 ) NOW whenever thou happen to read this Qur’an, seek refuge with God from Satan, the accursed.

    “The so called holy book called Quran revealed by Allah has so many contradictions,distorted stories from the Bible and myths from pagan sources that it loses its credibility.”

    why are you parroting the Bible borrowing theory? It is more likely that a book written by MAN has many mistakes and contradictions and the Qur’an actually got the stories right. You think that there are stories in the Bible that aren’t found in pagan sources? The Bible borrowing theory as with any theory of religious borrowing seems to forget that we are talking about humans and that the pagans weren’t always wrong.

    “It also contains grammatical mistakes and is completely incoherent with arrangement of Suras according to size rather than sequence.”

    Says the non-native Arabic speaking and non Arabic speaking critics of Islam, right?

    “Even the contemporary Arabs told Mohammad that they knew all those stories which they were and had heard them before.”

    Many people did not believe in ‘Isa(as). Can that somehow be turned into an argument against his prophethood?

    “Mohammad suffered from EPILEPSY,AUDITORY AND VISIONARY HALLUCINATIONS.He had a Paranoid personality.”

    Says your idol Ali Sina, who is neither a psychologist/psychiatrist or a legitimate scholar, in his polemic “Understanding Muhammad: A Psychobiography”?

    “He got ASMA BINIT MARWAN,a woman with five young chidren killed like many others.”

    Says your idol, without providing proper evidence? The fraud who disingenuously relies solely on cherry-picked hadith and sira that he doesn’t believe to be true anyway, unless he can twist them to support his assertions?

    “If the Muslims still worship him,they must be mad as well.”

    See your delusion? Muslims don’t worship Muhammad(saws). This is a common false analogy from Jesus worshippers.

    “Try to know JESUS of NAZRETH,the GOD in Human flesh.Study his life and compare with the life led by Mohammad and you will know the TRUTH,WHICH ONLY COULD SET YOU FREE FROM THE BONDAGE OF MOHAMMAD.Read Sura 25 again and find out what the Arabs thought of Mohammad.”

    And this is your real motive for being here; missionary work. You would do better on the atheist sites you love quoting verbatim from! It’s not working here, and i’m sure many true Christians would be ashamed of your antics and tactics, as they are not representative of Christianity. Take your brand of proselytizing where it belongs: Jahannum.

    “@ Imad :Jesus din not claim to have turned water into wine,he actually did that,He actually raised the dead to life.Have you read about Lazrus,who had been dead for four days.He fed thousands with a few loaves of bread and a few fish.He gave sight to the blind.He walked over water and storm and winds would obey his command.Evan your Quran cofims that.”

    You think performing miracle makes one divine? See the story of Musa(as).

    “To compare Mohammad to Jesus is like showing a candle to the SUN.”

    No it is engaging in a false analogy, that can only be righted by admitting that ‘Isa(as) was ahuman being, just like you, me and Muhammad(saws). Why do you think Muhamma(saws) was the last prophet who’s only miracle was the Qur’an? Could it be that after sending many prophets and miracles, the people still rejected Faith?

    Matthew 16:4

    A wicked and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign shall be given to it except the sign of 2the prophet Jonah.” And He left them and departed.

    Allahu A’lam

  118. Imad Says:

    @ halal pig:

    That’s idiotic.. Many people consider the bible to be false simply cuz they’re not Christians, the way you dont believe in the Quran.. and yes my dad is Muslim to nice try. And no, I’m a dude, “Imad” is a guys name in Arabic.. And seriously, the guy above is right; this is NOT how you bring people to Jesus.. It only makes your Jesus seem like an intolerant fool.

  119. Eternel Says:

    The trouble for you muslims is that every sensible atheist or agnostic will be ready to ally with any other religion just to shut you up.
    A dangerous dead end will never be a beautiful walkway, in spite of your insane efforts.

  120. Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony Says:

    Sensible athiest here ;-)
    Another epic eternal fail

  121. Mosizzle Says:

    Tariq Ali is an atheist and he has no problem defending Muslims against haters like you.

  122. Eternel Says:

    @Sir David
    You seem quite inclined to defend islam for an atheist. Your wood nose is growing, dear “sensible atheist”.

  123. Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony Says:

    I have no need of Tinkerbell, have no fear on that score Eternal

  124. Cynic Says:

    The third lame joke im a row. You’re on a roll Eternal!

  125. muhammad 'abd-al haqq Says:

    eternel Says:
    November 20th, 2010 at 10:09 am

    “The trouble for you muslims is that every sensible atheist or agnostic will be ready to ally with any other religion just to shut you up.”

    Uhh sensible atheists defend religious freedom…still haven’t taken your meds?

    Allahu A’lam

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