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This is Why Radical Christians are One of the Greatest Threats to the US Constitution

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Rick Santorum on "This Week" with George Stephanopoulos

For the past several years Loonwatch writers have repeatedly made the very “significant” (and obvious) point that radical Christian Islamophobes seek to undermine the constitution of the USA by entangling church and state; i.e. undermining the separation of Church and State.

We have also pointed out that the fervent fear-mongering about “Islamization,” a fairytale concept, is nothing more than projection on the part of these radicals. (Propaganda about the “Islamization” of the USA is even more ridiculous when one considers history; the fact that America was forcibly “Christianized” by colonial settlers and their offspring.)

Many Radical Christians today believe America has changed too much and that the superior place of Christianity needs to be reasserted, i.e. re-Christianization. Not only does this thought permeate the GOP, it has infact captured the GOP. This much is clear from the ongoing reality TV circus known as the Republican primary debates.

Take Rick Santorum, it was recently revealed that he “felt like throwing up” when he first read JFK’s famous speech on the separation of church and state. He was questioned about this by George Stephanopoulos, Santorum replied that he felt like vomiting after reading the first substantive line of the speech in which JFK said, “Apparently it is important for me to state again, not what kind of church I believe in, for that should be important only to me, but what kind of America I believe in. I believe in an America in which the separation between church and state is absolute. Santorum went on to say,

I don’t believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute. The idea that the church can have no influence or no involvement in the operation of the state is absolutely antithetical to the objectives and vision of our country.

This is a leading Republican candidate for the presidency saying this, it’s not something that should be simply ignored. Can one imagine if Rep.Keith Ellison, a Muslim Congressman had said the above? For a surety the Islamophobesphere would be flailing wildly about “Islamization” and the impending Sharia take over in Ellison’s home state of Minnesota.

One must also ask where is the condemnation from loons such as Robert Spencer, a fellow Catholic? We can answer our own question, Spencer is not interested in condemning this threat because he likely agrees with Santorum. Spencer in the past has spoken in forums where he has agreed with other speakers attacking the Enlightenment. His attacks weren’t of the philosophical post-modernist variety either but couched in defense of the faith rhetoric. As I wrote at the time,

Spencer agrees with Professor Kreeft regarding the Enlightenment being a threat to Catholicism though he didn’t explicitly say that Islam was less of a threat. I can see how Ultra-Conservative Catholics may rail against the Enlightenment, it was the era which saw a secularist revolt in the name of reason against the Catholic Church and which led to formulas for the Separation of Church and State, it also witnessed the decline of the power of the Catholic Church in the temporal realm.

Coming back to the main topic, I don’t believe Santorum misspoke. I don’t believe Santorum misunderstood what JFK meant or the impetus behind why he gave that famous 1960 speech. I don’t believe Santorum was making a point about how voices of faith need to be heard in the public square, etc.

Santorum believes America is a Christian country, he believes the “founding fathers” meant for it to stay that way and in fact supported such a notion. I am not sure whether Santorum follows the Dominionist ideology, (an ideology that seems to plague Protestants mostly), but he clearly believes the Church has a part to play in the operation of government.

This incident reveals the deep hypocrisy and faux loyalty to the Constitution amongst many of the Islamophobes and the populist politicians who are riding the Islam/Muslim-bashing wave. Islam and Muslims are being used as a distraction that serves to 1.) make us lose sight of the real issues, and 2.) covers a darker intent of reconquista, rechristianization by any means necessary.

Lastly, I want to clarify that this post is obviously not an attack on Christianity and should not be understood that way. The great majority of Christians are as repulsed as any other citizen when they hear such inanities spewing forth from the mouths of politicians speaking in the name of their faith. They are also on the front lines actively fighting this scourge.

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A very good video from the Young Turks on Rick Santorum’s attack on the Separation of Church and State:

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  • corey

    anybody ever seen this from funny or die http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dnfudeHfuy8 kinda wish republican debates were actually like this.

  • Solid Snake

    @Zakaryia Ali Sher

    “””Hahaha… I love these claims. If I were Satan, I wouldn’t need to do anything, because humans already possess both the inclination and the will to lead themselves astray. Most especially in wealthy, stable western countries. Don’t believe me? The murderers who carried out the Haditha massacre were let off with mere slaps on the wrist, released into the general population with more of a sense of empowerment than ever. Blackwater (now XE) mercenaries were given blanket immunity in Iraq, including shooting the President’s bodyguard unprovoked on Christmas eve. These people have a sense of entitlement, and they’ve gotten away with killing before. I can only imagine that many will repeat crimes here, only with better lawyers this time””””

    And that is why I have lost all respect for the US military and anyone who scolds me for not supporting the Military. I stand by my position that the current Military is just a glorified Legion of Barbarians with more sophisticated weapons and uniforms. A ‘patriot’ on another thread was offended by my statement claiming that all the bad things were just isolated incidents. The reason people can sit there and attempt to rationalize such horrors committed by vicious barbarians is because they have never experienced or were exposed to any violence of that magnitude. So they comfortably sit on their couches being ‘patriotic’.

    It is undeniable. The barbarians of old have sacked two countries, Afghanistan and Iraq in Mesopotamia. They are conducting drone attacks on civilians and workers that are akin to raiding parties that barbarians would form, they would go into a village and destroy everything. The barbarians have formed encampments surrounding Persia and are foaming at the mouth for a chance to slaughter all the inhabitants.
    To showcase their affinity for killing and to show how efficient they are at murder follow this link

    http://www.zpub.com/un/un-bm.html
    THE HIGHWAY OF DEATH:” The “highways of death” are the two Kuwaiti roadways, littered with remains of 2,000 mangled Iraqi military vehicles, and the charred and dismembered bodies of tens of thousands of Iraqi soldiers, who were withdrawing from Kuwait on February 26th and 27th 1991 in compliance with UN resolutions. U.S. planes trapped the long convoys by disabling vehicles in the front, and at the rear, and then pounded the resulting traffic jams for hours. “It was like shooting fish in a barrel,” said one U.S. pilot ” On the inland highway to Basra is mile after mile of burned, smashed, shattered vehicles of every description – tanks, armored cars, trucks, autos, fire trucks, according to the March 18, 1991, Time magazine. On the sixty miles of coastal highway, Iraqi military units sit in gruesome repose, scorched skeletons of vehicles and men alike, black and awful under the sun, says the Los Angeles Times of March 11, 1991. While 450 people survived the inland road bombing to surrender, this was not the case with the 60 miles of the coastal road. There for 60 miles every vehicle was strafed or bombed, every windshield is shattered, every tank is burned, every truck is riddled with shell fragments. No survivors are known or likely. The cabs of trucks were bombed so much that they were pushed into the ground, and it’s impossible to see if they contain drivers or not. Windshields were melted away, and huge tanks were reduced to shrapnel. “Even in Vietnam I didn’t see anything like this. It’s pathetic,” said Major Bob Nugent, an Army intelligence officer. This one-sided carnage, this racist mass murder of Arab people, occurred while White House spokesman Marlin Fitzwater promised that the U.S. and its coalition partners would not attack Iraqi forces leaving Kuwait. This is surely one of the most heinous war crimes in contemporary history. ”

    The barbarians live by the rule of ‘take no prisoners, show no mercy’, chasing away a defeated enemy and murdering them.

    Its amazing to see how the propagandists have taken the word ‘civilized’ and gave it the opposite meaning.

    And to top it all off the citizens have been indoctrinated and brainwashed to support all of this. These barbarians have marketed 9/11 (yes they have exploited it like a marketing campaign) as “The Greatest Tragedy Known To Man Second Only To The Holocaust” while far more tragic events have occurred and even at the very hands of these barbarians like the obliteration of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    9/11 was tragic, Hiroshima and Nagasaki were tragic, every death of an innocent in the Mid East is tragic but not according to The Barbarians of Today.

    They should call it The U.S Legion of Barbarians with Obama the Hun as the leader…..

    sorry i ranted but I am sick and tired of all the killing….

  • Solid Snake

    @Saladin

    WOW! That pretty much covers all the bases! Please tell me he’s black! A black gay Muslim defending santorum! THERE’S NO WAY HE COULD BE A BIGOT! LOOK WHOS DEFENDING HIM Lmao!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Susanna

    Responding to my last reply to you, you wrote,
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    Maybe you should also look at: YouTube: A Nation Founded on the Christian Faith Part 3 and Part 4- Separation of Church and state. I can’t do the links right now.
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    America, was not intended as a Christian nation by the founders. That is a myth.

    Responding to Just Stopping By, you wrote,
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    Since the Supreme Courts decision to strike down prayer in public school, the answer to all the above is no. Teachers and students could not lead prayer in the classroom or assembly in school. That is why our local high school graduations and assemblies are held outside of school in private settings.

    I grew up in the era of school prayer. In my class there were Catholics, Protestants and Jewish. The teacher read from the Bible- always from Psalms and Proverbs, and we said the Our Father. No one and I mean no one ever had a problem with it. At the time, the Protestant Lord’s prayer was said. As a Catholic,I just did not say the ending. My dear Jewish friend would always bow his head but he did not feel offended because we always had Old Testament readings. Actually, it lead us to talk about our faiths and try to understand them.
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    Why should teachers in public school be allowed to lead students in prayer? Its a school not a church, and the government should remain neutral on religious matters. Even if in some instances, it has lead to students trying to understand each others faiths, and get along better, as you claim, it has often lead to conflict division instead.

    The role of the united States government is not to promote any religion, but to protect religious freedom, so it should not endorse any. Also, its not true that you can’t pray in public schools. You just can’t have things like teachers leading their class in prayer. You can pray yourself, on your own, without anyone leading you in prayer. The teachers and the administration don’t have to be involved.

  • Just Stopping By

    @Susanna: Thanks for your response, but I may not have been clear enough in my question. If you could either amend or have the Constitution interpreted as you think it should be read, would you approve of any of those types of prayers (and if so, which)?

    Thanks.

  • Saladin

    I do not know what you guys are talking how can people like Rick Santorum with his Guslim friend be racist LOL

    A Gay Muslim Defends Rick Santorum against Bigotry Accusations

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Eslaporte

    Responding to what I wrote about the American Taliban book, you wrote,
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    Hey – that’s cool. I have not seen this book, but “Taliban� is what this ilk is…they want to impose religious laws over the Constitution, which religious laws over human rights and personal autonomy.
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    You’re welcome. I hope you enjoy reading it. I think I’ll either buy it, or check it out of the library.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Truth Seeker

    responding to me you wrote,
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    If the Muslim Majority countries could adopt Islam as the official religion,then what is wrong with Santrorum aqsking Christianty to be the official faith in America.After all Jesus brought the message of LOVE and PEACE contrary to Mohammad who preached HATE and WAR against Kafirs?Which one would you prefer if you are normal human being?
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    I would prefer that no religion be the official religion of the United States, thank you very much. I don’t think we should have one, period. Theocracy of any kind is incompatible with human liberty, regardless of weather its a Muslim or Christian theocracy or theocracy of any kind for that matter. Just because Muslim majority countries often adopt Islam as the official state religion doesn’t mean that the US should adopt Christianity as the official state religion. I would in fact prefer that countries like Afghanistan and even Saudi Arabia be secular, because Muslim regimes often enforce the harshest interpretations of Islamic law. However the same is true for Christian theocracies. We have the separation of Church and State in America for A reason, and like I told Susana earlier, its not to keep non Christians from being offended.

    Also, if Muhammad was so incredibly violent and intolerant, and a large majority of Muslims around the world tend to follow his example literally and consistently, can you please explain this?

    Besa: Muslims Who Saved Jews in World War II
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y61RAP4joWU&feature=channel_video_title

    Muslim Heroes of the Holocaust – Robert Satloff
    http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee#p/c/8075B60F0F01769C/11/BmEw5M-xK64

    And this?

    A Lesson in Respect
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsUY2zgOjjA&feature=channel_video_title

    and this?

    Injustice Cannot Defeat Injustice
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IofpsHOosE&feature=channel_video_title

    Muslims Condemn Terrorism
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3t0yRPGDNa4&feature=channel_video_title

    and finally how about this video that was featured here on Loon Watch that you commented on, but apparently did not watch.

    The Imam and the Pastor – Nigeria, January 2008

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  • Just Stopping By

    @Zakariya Ali Sher: You have made a number of excellent points here. But, surely you recognize the futility of appealing to some concern for Jews on the part of “Truth Seeker” given various of his comments about Jews on other threads.

    It may be selfish of me, but since he’s been ranting about Muslims, he’s yours for now; we don’t want anything to do with him! (Actually, I’d be happy to try to help you get some sense into him if I thought that were possible…)

  • Susanna

    @ CriticalDragon1177

    Maybe you should also look at: YouTube: A Nation Founded on the Christian Faith Part 3 and Part 4- Separation of Church and state. I can’t do the links right now.

    @ Just Stopping By

    Since the Supreme Courts decision to strike down prayer in public school, the answer to all the above is no. Teachers and students could not lead prayer in the classroom or assembly in school. That is why our local high school graduations and assemblies are held outside of school in private settings.

    I grew up in the era of school prayer. In my class there were Catholics, Protestants and Jewish. The teacher read from the Bible- always from Psalms and Proverbs, and we said the Our Father. No one and I mean no one ever had a problem with it. At the time, the Protestant Lord’s prayer was said. As a Catholic,I just did not say the ending. My dear Jewish friend would always bow his head but he did not feel offended because we always had Old Testament readings. Actually, it lead us to talk about our faiths and try to understand them.

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    @ “Truth” Seeker:

    Not ALL Muslim majority countries have adopted Islam as the official faith, and even if they had, so what? The Founding Fathers were well aware of the dangers of imposing a state religion. Plenty of other countries do recognize Christianity as the ‘official’ faith. Greece is officially Orthodox, Norway is officially Lutheran, and even England is officially Anglican (though most Englishmen don’t really give it much thought to be fair). Italy, Argentina, Spain, El Salvador, Peru, Dominican Republic and several other countries all recognize the Catholic Church as playing a role int he state to some degree or another…

    Is that what you want “Truth” Seeker? The state to officially endorse your particular brand of Christianity? Catholics represent the single largest denomination in this country, so if we had a “state religion,” I’m guessing the Roman Catholics would win out. Are you sure you’d want to swear fealty to the Vatican?

    Since you obviously don’t care how we Muslims feel, what about the rest of America. Do you think the Jews would be happy having Christianity imposed on them, and their children?

  • http://www.yellow-stars.com eslaporte

    @ CriticalDragon1177

    Hey – that’s cool. I have not seen this book, but “Taliban” is what this ilk is…they want to impose religious laws over the Constitution, which religious laws over human rights and personal autonomy.

  • Truth Seeker

    @Critical Gragon1177:If the Muslim Majority countries could adopt Islam as the official religion,then what is wrong with Santrorum aqsking Christianty to be the official faith in America.After all Jesus brought the message of LOVE and PEACE contrary to Mohammad who preached HATE and WAR against Kafirs?Which one would you prefer if you are normal human being?

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    Hahaha… I love these claims. If I were Satan, I wouldn’t need to do anything, because humans already possess both the inclination and the will to lead themselves astray. Most especially in wealthy, stable western countries. Don’t believe me? The murderers who carried out the Haditha massacre were let off with mere slaps on the wrist, released into the general population with more of a sense of empowerment than ever. Blackwater (now XE) mercenaries were given blanket immunity in Iraq, including shooting the President’s bodyguard unprovoked on Christmas eve. These people have a sense of entitlement, and they’ve gotten away with killing before. I can only imagine that many will repeat crimes here, only with better lawyers this time…

  • Just Stopping By

    @Susanna:

    I find your arguments interesting, but I am not sure where they lead. Would you approve or disapprove of each of the following:
    1a. Teacher-led Christian prayers in pubic schools.
    1b. Teacher-led Muslim/Islamic prayers in public schools.
    2a. Student-led Christian prayers in public schools at assemblies, etc.
    2b. Student-led Muslim/Islamic prayers in public schools at assemblies, etc.

    Thanks!

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    @ Susanna:

    There is nothing unconstitutional about having a Bible in the school library, or allowing students to read theirs. Nor is their anything unconstitutional about letting people pray freely. There is nothing unconstitutional about having Qurans, Torahs, Vedas, Upanishads or Eddas in the school library either, or allowing Muslim students to make namaz, Jewish students to refuse non-kosher meals, and Wiccan (or Satanist) students to wear pentagrams.

    What IS unconstitutional is when you force those practices upon another subject, or grant state approval to any particular religion or denomination. The schools CANNOT make people pray. The schools CANNOT endorse a particular denomination or give official support to, say, the Catholics. And that goes for all forms of government. The President cannot make this a Catholic country, or a Protestant country, or a Muslim country. America is simply too damned diverse for any single denomination to ever be imposed upon us, and that is a good thing.

    It’s more than a simple matter of ‘being offended.’ I’m in a minority. I, frankly, don’t care that the vast majority of Americans, and the vast majority of both Muslims and Arabs, do not share my particular views. I do not need the approval of the President, or Congress, or whomever to validate my own beliefs. However, if the President chose to recognize a particular religion, that would grant it special privileges the rest of us do not enjoy. Why should I have my tax dollars go to funding a church I don’t belief in, or spreading it’s message? Should Protestants have to pay to build a Catholic Church? Should Jews have to pay to support Hindus, who make visual representations of God? Should Hindus fund Buddhism and Jainism, both of which were founded as a reaction against Hinduism in many ways? And what of Atheists? Should they have to pay for religions they don’t believe in?

    Nobody is stopping YOU or anyone else from expressing your beliefs in public. In fact, you seem quite adamant about your anti-Muslim prejudices. I’m assuming the secret police haven’t come to arrest you, so you are obviously enjoying your freedoms. And nobody is stopping the President, Vice-President, Secretary of State, Congressmen, Senators, Governors and Mayors from believing whatever they want either, or from going to religious services. They cannot, however, impose that upon the rest of us. Nor can they declare that such and such is the ‘state religion,’ or that there is any ‘official’ form of it in America. That seems to be a damned hard concept for so many conservatives to understand.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Susanna

    Who taught you about the meaning of the first amendment, because so much of that statement is simply wrong. The Separation of Church and State does not exist because of political correctness and fear of offending non Christians. Read what the founding fathers actually wrote about it, and not from some religious right pseudo historian like David Barton.

    The Rise of the Religious Right in the Republican Party: Separation of Church and State
    http://www.theocracywatch.org/separation_church_state2.htm

    Quotations that Support the Separation of State and Church (1993)
    http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/ed_buckner/quotations.html

    I also know of some great Youtube videos on the subject.

    Constitution Lecture 9: Separation of Church and State
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWBG8byqqUI&feature=channel_video_title

    The Treaty of Tripoli

  • TomS

    Rick Santorum literally believes that Satan is attacking America and is systematically destroying the country’s main institutions. Yes, literally.

    Here’s what he said (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/22/rick-santorum-satan-_n_1293658.html):

    “Satan has his sights on the United States of America!”

    “Satan is attacking the great institutions of America, using those great vices of pride, vanity, and sensuality as the root to attack all of the strong plants that has so deeply rooted in the American tradition.”

    “This is a spiritual war. And the Father of Lies has his sights on what you would think the Father of Lies would have his sights on: a good, decent, powerful, influential country – the United States of America. If you were Satan, who would you attack in this day and age? There is no one else to go after other than the United States and that has been the case now for almost 200 years, once America’s preeminence was sown by our great Founding Fathers.”

    Santorum is sticking by his claims from 2008 after video footage recently resurfaced.

  • mindy1

    @HGG, no offense taken, I just want to vote for someone I can feel comfortable with, and that is getting difficult.

  • Susanna

    establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof, or abridging the freedom of speech….” I’ve gone thru the whole Constitution and there is nothing in it about separation of church and state being absolute. Nor can you get a sense of total separation in the 1st Amendment.

    What Santorum is saying here is fundamentally right in the sense that while there is no church state, religion can play a part in making moral decisions. Ever since secular humanism made its way into our lives, the idea of taking God out of everything we do in our lives has led to the moral decay of our country. The 1st Amendment was to ensure that the government stayed out of the lives of the churches. People were free to practice their religion and the free speech part that follows ( and it follows for a reason) people had the right to express their beliefs in public.

    It is not unconstitutional to have a Bible in a public school or have Bible study after school or during recess. But prayer is unconstitutional because it promotes a specific ideology. Now this is supposedly because of separation of church and state. Which in itself is unconstitutional as to the total freedom to practice your religion and be free to speak about it.

    The intrusion of the government has taken that away from us in the public arena. Why? Because it may offend someone. That is political correctness which is the basis for stifling the very right freedom of speech.

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    Susanna you said
    First of all, lets look at what is actually in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment says, â€? Congress shall make no law respecting the……

    One assumes the internet connection fell apart at this point or you pressed the submit comment by accident .
    Just for a moment please Susanna remember that some of us are not from the USA and know not much about the constitution of that country . Could you tell us what the constitution was origionally and why it was amended ?

  • Susanna

    First of all, lets look at what is actually in the Constitution. The 1st Amendment says, ” Congress shall make no law respecting the

  • Zakariya Ali Sher

    Or even just a different school of Christianity. I wonder how “Truth” Seeker and his kind would react if we had a candidate who was a strict Old Calendar Orthodox Christian who insisted on abandoning the Gregorian calendar that most Catholics and Protestants adhere to.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/GargamelGold?feature=mhee CriticalDragon1177

    @Truth Seeker

    Yet again, you just ignore the story/video in question and you just bash Muslims. You don’t have any arguments, just silly bigoted assertions at best. Tell me Truth Seeker, what do you think about all the evil being done in the name of Christianity or Judaism or even Hinduism? Do fanatics in other religions not exist, or do you simply not care about them?

    Now I know he’s not a violent fanatic, but what do you think of Rick Santorum basically coming out and saying that Christianity, ought to be the official religion of the United States? Tell “Truth Seeker,” would you have a problem with that if he were calling for any other religion to be the official religion of the United States? Keep in mind that I’m not just talking about Islam. I’m assuming your a Christian, but if I’m wrong please let me know. However, if you are not, why do you not take issue with what Santorum has said?

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