Pamela Geller
What do you get when you combine the most outlandish gaffes of Anne Coulter, the most awkward monologues of Sarah Palin, the senility of the crazy McCain Lady, filter any remaining logic out of it and give it a keyboard in the Bronx?
The answer is the looniest blogger ever: Pamela Geller. If you are unaware of who Pamela Geller is then we apologize for bringing her being into your world, but she is all too familiar to those of us who browse the internet and have come across her shrill and plainly insane blogging on Atlas Shrugs. (Given the amount of hallucinations on that blog, Atlas Shrugs should properly be renamed Atlas Drugs).
What is it though that Pamela believes in? What does she blog about?
Pam has the distinction of being the originator and pusher of some of the most vile and obscene conspiracy theories on the internet. Mostly dealing with Islam and Muslims but also Barack Obama, and the two are combined — A LOT. In one of her recent tirades titled, CNN Tells, Sells More Lies About Palin — it’s Time to Expose the truth about Obama, Geller writes,
So why not tell the truth about Obama and his reported strange sexual predilections? My question is, it is well known that Obama allegedly was involved with a crack whore in his youth. Very seedy stuff. Why aren’t they pursuing that story? Find the ho, give her a show!
Here she calls on CNN to investigate Obama’s “strange sexual predilections.” She also says that it is “well known” but then sneaks in “allegedly” that Obama was “involved with a crack whore in his youth.” This is just the beginning of the craziness. She then goes on to state that she believes that President Obama’s trip to Pakistan in the 80′s was originally to go for drugs but that he became indoctrinated into Jihad.
Back in the early 80′s, there were only two reasons to travel to Pakistan. Jihad or drugs. I think he went for the drugs and came back with jihad. (He did, after all, change his name to Barack Hussein Obama from Barry Soetoro, upon his return from that trip).
Real good investigative work Pam! He changed his name to what had always been his name and that shows that he is a Jihadist? For the uber-racist Pam Geller, drugs is a connotation for Black and Jihad is a connotation for Muslim; a Black man can only travel to get drugs, and a Muslim country can only offer travelers Jihad.
Additionally, Pam Geller has an unhealthy obsession with Obama’s mother, Stanley Ann Dunham. For Pam the old adage do not speak ill of the dead has no resonance, in fact she can’t even stop her self from speaking slanderous lies about the dead.
Pam, that ever-vigilant firecracker of a reporter broke a story that “even CNN didn’t care to touch.” What was this highly neglected breaking story? Obama is the illegitimate son of Malcolm X! In her 50,000 word rant, Pam Geller toys with all sorts of theories including the suggestion that Obama’s mom somehow had an amorous hook up with Malcolm?
Barack Hussein Obama Jr Malcolm X Barack Hussein Obama Sr. Barack Hussein Obama Sr., Tom Mboya, and Philip Ochieng, all share common physical features of the Kenyan Luo tribe: Modest stature under six feet, round faces, small chins, wide set eyes, slanted back foreheads, and retracted hairlines…none of these features are shared by Malcolm X and Barack Hussein Obama Jr.
She then goes on a long and wide conspiratorial line trying to link Barack’s mother with Malcolm X, and all the possibilities of how they could have hooked up. If you read the post, beware that it is long, like sleuthing through a swamp.
In a most bizarre jab at Obama’s mom, Geller wonders aloud why CNN isn’t pursuing some “story” about the “alleged” nude “pornographic” pictures taken of Obama’s mom by Frank Marshall Davis!
Why isn’t CNN pursuing the nude pornographic photos of Obama’s mom…I never ran the pics, as it was unseemly and wasn’t relevant. But this assault on Palin is too disgusting. It’s time to tell the ugly truth about the enemy in the White House and his whores in the media.
Maybe CNN and the “whores in the media” aren’t running this story because it is a non-story with no news value? Or maybe because it is a figment of a loony blogger’s imagination with no thread of truth in it? Or maybe because it has nothing to do with the job performance of that “Negro Mooslim enemy” in the White House?
That is another card in the loonieness that is Pamela Geller. She believes Obama is an enemy, i.e. according to her he is a Muslim. On the end-of-times loon website World Net Daily, Geller wrote this hysterical post titled Obama’s Islam: Now He Tells Us,
We should have seen all this coming. Obama deceitfully hid his Muslim background and schooling and his agenda. I started writing about Obama’s religious Muslim background in January 2007, and throughout 2007 and 2008 I presented evidence of Obama’s identification as a Muslim when he was a child, his extremist Muslim family and his Islamic schooling. In December 2007, I wrote, “Barack Obama went to a madrassa in Jakarta. A madrassa in a Muslim country. Whether he was devout or secular, he knows what was taught. He knows what is in the Quran. Even if he is ambiguous, he knows the stakes involved. His father was a Muslim who took three wives (without divorcing). His stepfather and close members of his family are devout Muslims. Not an unimportant influence.” And who can forget Obama’s bald-faced lies to the Jews? In February 2008, Obama told Jewish leaders: “If anyone is still puzzled about the facts, in fact I have never been a Muslim.” Yet he was registered as a Muslim in an Indonesian school…And so now we have our first Muslim presidency, just eight years after 9/11. The media can spin their subjugation and adulation a million different ways, but America did not vote for a “Muslim presidency,” which is what this is. Everything this president has done so far has helped foster America’s submission to Islam.
If that weren’t enough then you could predict what comes next. Not only is Obama the illegitimate son of Malcolm X, not born in America, on top of all that it is obvious that since he is a Muslim he must also be an anti-Semite!
Every decision, every move, every policy decision the President has made in regards to Israel has been the act of …. an anti-semite.
So there you have it the Mooslims are taking over! In fact they have already taken over America, so much so that we have a Mooslim president, who is anti-Semitic, sired by the fire breathing Malcolm X, his mom was a whore, and oh yeah somewhere in there he is also a socialist! That comes to you courtesy of the Looniest Blogger Ever!
Her blog remains “popular,” the adjective “popular” however may be a bit misleading as it seems to be popular only with crazies who espouse openly bigoted views. A glance at her comments section demonstrates this,
Posted by: jj | Sunday, August 30, 2009 at 01:24 AM , “Pigs are more humane than Muhammad. And cleaner, too.”
Posted by: En français | Monday, August 31, 2009 at 07:56 AM
What is a man with the name Matthew Polombo doing as the secretaey general of something called the Somali Youth Action? To build this big Islamic style complex exclusively for Moslem Somalis in Minneapolis means someone thinks they are there to stay ….. but as soon as we get rid of the Monster in the White House, we will get rid of them. Since they were imported, the crime rate has soared. They were criminals in Somalia, so they are also criminals in America and have no idea of American ideals and way of life. This sport center would be a hatching center for more crimes against Americans who don’t want them, didn’t ask them to come and want to get rid of them. The people of Minneapolis are insanely stupid if they allow this Obamanation to materialize.
Posted by: Sarastro | Monday, August 31, 2009 at 07:57 AM
WTF?!?!? How many dang Somalis do we have here that they need a frickin’ Youth Center? WhoTF needs Somalis here anyway? What? Are they the world’s best meat-packers?!?!?
Yeah, and I know. . . when the Muslims say “prevent” violence they mean “promote” violence.
Yeah, right. Separate gyms and pools, a place to get married, and maybe a hall or two in which to teach hatred and strategy for Islamic Supremacy?
This article is just more evidence that Muslims, (may their prophet be damned,) have no desire to assimilate or become Americans in support of America.
These comments are just a sampling of what passes as polite discourse on Atlas Shrugs, to get further acquainted with her and the loonieness of her commenters just parse through the comment section there, you will be truly mortified.
Update: Pamela Geller now claims she never penned the Malcolm X article, and that she doesn’t support the theory that Malcolm X is the father of Barack Obama. However, she never made any such qualifier when she originally posted the piece on her site. Which begs the question, why, if she didn’t believe what was written did she post it under her name? How can she not understand how insane it is, even for someone who believes Obama wasn’t born in America, to think he was the illegitimate son of Malcolm X, let alone give credence to such loony conspiracies by posting it on her site?
Update II: Pamela Geller calls for the destruction of the Golden Dome.
Update III: Obama is a Mooslim, Jihadist, Pimp, anti-Semite who is aiding the Iranian Nuclear program
Update V: Pamela Geller is a Holocaust Revisionist who claims that Hitler and the Nazis adopted Jihad
Update VII: Pamela Geller calls for the nuking of Mecca, Medina, and Tehran
Update VIII: Pamela Geller promotes a genocidal video
Update IX: Pamela Geller shows sympathy towards white supremacist
August 31st, 2009 at 6:34 pm
Spencer, Schlussel and the rest of them may be cold, heartless bigots, drowning in their own prejudices. But I don’t think they are mentally unbalanced.
Geller is batshit f**king loco. And she’s not even a circus act like Coulter. She’s 100% honest and sincere insanity. And it’s spreading all over the place.
August 31st, 2009 at 7:00 pm
It is interesting to me that in the entire rant you deliver on Pam Geller, not once do you actually repute her statement with any fact. Yes, she may go off on tangents but if you are doing any kind of expose then it is imperative you counter with facts of sources. You have not done so, you have merely taken an ad hominum attack posture and proved nothing. Stop being the fool and be honorable. Disagree, but don’t attack with nothing to back it up. I am disappointed.
August 31st, 2009 at 10:22 pm
Seems like BOTOX QUEEN has had some chemicals from the last plastic surgery seep into her brain. The sort of hate she dishes on president Obama and on Muslims is so KKK-esque that I actually think it makes her not worth the effort. I mean this was a great and informative piece, but seriously, people like her never make it beyond the closed parameters of their like-minded associates (Read Robert Spencer and Geert Wilders). She is forever destined for the gutter.
September 1st, 2009 at 3:57 am
hahaha Atlas Shrugs should properly be renamed Atlas Drugs! That’s so true.
Maybe she shrugs when she see the drugs?
September 1st, 2009 at 5:29 am
I mean, this stuff is really chauvinistic and racist. Not just a “tad” racist (if there even is such a thing as a “tad racist”), but fulll-blown racism and genuine hatred, the neo-Nazi and Ku Klux Klan kind. It is truly insane.
Is this modern day Western ideals and values? If so, then it is ideals and values that belong in the trash can.
September 1st, 2009 at 7:10 pm
Hmmm, the term racist implies a race of people, genetically different and distinct from all others. So just what race is Islam again?
Stop playing the race card, it only make you look that much more the fool.
September 2nd, 2009 at 6:29 am
“For the uber-racist Pam Geller, drugs is a connotation for Black and Jihad is a connotation for Muslim; a Black man can only travel to get drugs, and a Muslim country can only offer travelers Jihad.”
Islam isnt a race and Obama isnt black, he is biracial.
September 2nd, 2009 at 10:43 am
I think Schlussel is mentally imbalanced as well.
Great write up, I regularly check Ms. Geller’s site for its comedic value. The woman is totally insane.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:29 pm
Pamela like her friend Debbie Schlussel is a racist, they both traffic in racist stereotypes. Such as the implication in her sentence that the only reason a Black person would travel to Pakistan is for drugs, and that doesn’t even begin to touch on what they say about Arabs and Palestinians in particular.
Also to both OregonJake and Elric, race is not necessarily genetic it is also a social construct. It is true that Islamophobia and anti-Muslim is a form of racism in the general sense, as those who are Islamophobes usually are thinking of a specific race when they hit out with their hate against Muslims, and use racialized stereotypes when making bigoted comments against Muslims, like one of the haters who tries to post on this site and goes by the name “Towel head”.
September 3rd, 2009 at 1:41 pm
OregonJake,
You honestly think that Barack Obama being born in America needs facts? That Barack wasn’t the illegitimate son of Malcolm X needs facts? That Barack isn’t an anti-Semite needs facts? That Barack isn’t a Muslim needs facts?
You are attempting to defend the factless, out of thin air, guilt by association and quite frankly radically crazy Pamela Geller by saying that the burden of proof is on us when in any court of law the burden of proving an accusation is on the accuser.
September 3rd, 2009 at 2:52 pm
Mooneye, sorry, but I think you really need to stop drinking the kool-aid, and fast. There is no connection between “racist stereotypes” and pure racism. Being a racist does not mean that one has “racist stereotypes” in mind. One can be racist against any race, for any reason, from ideological differences to unadulterated hatred with no thought of stereotypes. Sorry, try again.
Name a socially constructed race. Your claim is pure conjecture, or maybe a way for you to be comfortable denigrating those with whom you disagree without using any facts. Again, source and name a socially constructed race.
“…as those who are Islamophobes usually are thinking of a specific race when they hit out with their hate against Muslims, and use racialized stereotypes when making bigoted comments against Muslims.”
I’m sorry, but how does being an Islamophobe translate to racism again? A phobia is, as the dictionary defines “an unreasonable fear”. There is nothing irrational about the fear of Islam and its definition today. I do not think of a specific race when talking about Islam as ISLAM IS NOT A RACE, PERIOD! And “racialized stereotypes” means nothing, as I will point out again, Islam is not a race. But I will have to assume that these facts will not get in the way of your own opinions.
Now to you, Garibaldi:
“You honestly think that Barack Obama being born in America needs facts?(he is an American born, I never questioned that) That Barack wasn’t the illegitimate son of Malcolm X needs facts?(If there is a truth there I want to know.) That Barack isn’t an anti-Semite needs facts?(he is an anti-semite, check your facts and actually read what he has said, many times about Israel) That Barack isn’t a Muslim needs facts?”(he is a Muslim, Islamic sharia law states that when you are born to a Muslim father you are automatically a Muslim, and are considered a Muslim by the tenets, ideology and doctrine of Islam until you die).
“…the burden of proof is on us when in any court of law the burden of proving an accusation is on the accuser.” Wow! So lets see if we can figure this out. You make the accusations about Ms Geller and then cry foul when I hold you to that statement, yet you clearly state above that proving an accusation is on the accuser. OK, you have proved my point. You are the accuser yet don’t want to be held responsibile for the accusations. I think you need to go back to the dictionary and look up the word, “Hippocrasy”
Study fundamental Islam. Read the texts which are used by the Ulema. Listen to the words and understand what they mean. And finally, stop using terms like racism, it is beneath you and only shows a lack of intellectual honesty and an ability to think critically.
There may be moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam as defined today.
You are attempting to defend the factless, out of thin air, guilt by association and quite frankly radically crazy Pamela Geller by saying that the burden of proof is on us when in any court of law the burden of proving an accusation is on the accuser.
September 3rd, 2009 at 5:51 pm
OregonJake says,
OregonJake, the fact that they traffic in racist stereotypes is just one indicator of racism. I highly doubt anyone with a mind would debate whether calling someone “Paki” as Schlussel has done is racist or not. Or impugning Asian terrorist to mean Pakistani or Muslim. As far as Pam goes then her tirades against Arabs and Palestinians on top of her recent comment above about blacks is more then enough to highlight her racism.
Again OregonJake,
You obviously follow the notion that race is genetic, if you are a Christian Zionist you should know one of your own Biologists, a former racist himself, Dave Unander has written a book which also is part Christian polemic titled: Shattering the Myth of Race which makes the exact point I do.
I find this blog post called Race As A Social Construct spells out well what you don’t seem to get about race being a social construct,
I recommend reading the site to see how racism plays in Islamophobia. As I stated, and it is not too hard to understand, when Islamophobes want to hit out against Islam and Muslims many times they have in mind one or two races, i.e. the towel head example.
September 7th, 2009 at 1:29 am
It’s late and I think I may be imagining things.. but is there a Ku Klux Klan man in the picture frame behind Pam??
September 7th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
LOL @ Yogurt.
I see what you’re talking about, I never noticed it before. I’m pretty sure it’s a flag, but with Pam you never know. Haha.
September 8th, 2009 at 3:23 pm
OregonJake, your post was moderated because of the racist language. Please take it as a warning.
September 9th, 2009 at 9:36 pm
Excellent article. OregonJake thinks that things need to be “refuted,” but most people can tell insanity when they see it. For example, when someone says “Muslims are terrorists,” you don’t need to disprove that or rebut that. Instead, you simply quote it and that’s damaging enough for whoever said it. But bigots will continue to be clueless, and have to ask: “what’s wrong with that quote?”
September 15th, 2009 at 1:43 am
Seriously OregonJake,
You obviously approve of this bigot known as Pam Geller. Don’t you see how that ruins your reputation. Well, it just strikes the average person as odd that you think Obama is a Muslim. First of all, you have no clue of what Islamic law says, and even if we granted you that it said what you say it does, if we entertain that nonsense, why can’t you believe what President Obama has said over a million times, “I’m not a Muslim, I’m a Christian.” Does his word count for anything?
Secondly you agree that with Pam and call him an anti-Semite. Plain ridiculous! Something like 75 percent of Jewish Americans voted for Obama, and that amidst a unbelievable push by the right-wing to scare Jews by slandering Obama as a “evil anti-Israel, anti-Semite Mooslim.” Do you think AIPAC, the largest and most influential Israeli lobby organization would allow an anti-Semite onto it’s podium as the featured speaker for their annual conference and that doesn’t count the Jewish organizations that gave him their endorsements. Have you taken a look at his cabinet, top down filled with Jews, Rahm Emmanuel is his Chief of Staff for Godsakes. You are insulting the intelligence of Jews by agreeing with Pam that he is anti-Semite. What anti-Semite wears a yarmaluke, goes to the wailing wall and prays?
Please think and consider what and who you are supporting. This piece breaks down the lunacy of Pamela Geller and for anyone with a fair and critical mind it is quite obvious.
September 16th, 2009 at 3:30 am
Ugh! Might you please replace that image with one of her with Robert Spencer instead? LGF has repeatedly outed Geller for associations with fascist elements and busted her for using neo-nazi propaganda. Thank you.
September 16th, 2009 at 2:53 pm
Lizard,
Don’t you find it ironic that she at one time was pretty much advertising for LGF, and as much as you dislike that picture she probably hates it more because she was advertising for you guys. That must mean something to you?
Also, it is one of the worst pictures out there of her, and the photo in the background which looks like a Klan-man is just priceless.
September 16th, 2009 at 4:22 pm
Geller hates that picture, to be sure. LGF has plenty on her associations with extremists. Hope you feel free to rub her face in it anytime.
September 20th, 2009 at 5:19 am
What exactly in Pamela Gellar’s statements are you actually able to refute? rather than blast her mental status? there is nothing in the slightest bit unbalanced about standing up for the rights of westerners. Needless to say you’re very pro-islam. But tell me, when did Islam become a race?? where has Pamela been an open racist? Playing the race card and name calling, whilst refusing to refute any arguments only serves to justify you as an idiot with not an inch of ground to stand on.
September 21st, 2009 at 6:04 pm
Lizard,We will definitely rub it in her face. Just wondering why she is so kooky? And to echo Micahel Kruse of the St. Petersburg Times, why do somewhat smart individuals like Spencer and Bostom continue to associate with her? They give away their prejudices which they work so hard to conceal in the process.
September 22nd, 2009 at 6:47 pm
To Realist,
I think the wrong term was used.
Pamela G is not a RACIST she is a BIGOT
Bigot means intolerance of religion, and an irrational hatred of religion, in her case Islam. She’s a liar and she knows it, because she doesn’t post comments unless she agrees with them. I have posted there to rebut her lies, and she deleted my comments.
The reason you don’t find rebuttals to Pamela G, is because they are so widely available on the internet from mainstream Islamic websites or even non Islamic mainstream history professors, the history that is taught in Universities the world over. True history. If you have specifics then ask.
Pamela G and her partners like Spencer, are just the far right loony’s.
September 23rd, 2009 at 3:26 pm
I like Pam. Okay, she may get a bit wild with her comments but on Islam she is correct. Islam has from its beginnings been an Arab imperialist political ideology. It’s ultimate aim is to rule the world and over the centuries it has spread throughout the world. Winston Churchill compared Hitler’s Mein Kampf to the Koran.
It has been, and is, the scourge of Christianity in Africa and Asia. Christian communities in the Middle east have virtually vanished under its onslaught. It has brought conflict, poverty and backwardness to every nation where it has become established.
Now it is spreading to Europe and the US. Do we want Islamic supremacism to supplant Western democratic values? Are we to accept Islam’s view of women as second class citizens who’s worth is less than that of men or it’s view of non-muslims as being inferior?
Please look at the real issue – what Islam is and what it stands for.
September 24th, 2009 at 7:39 am
Your display your ignorance Mr Jack Ashton, or maybe you’re just envious and jealous. Prophet Muhammed is the most influential man in history.
Churchill always tried to rewrite history to make it look like Christiantiy wasn’t the dark blight it has been to humanity. Mein Kempf was Hitler doing the work of the Lord according to him, ie. Inspired by Chrisitiantity, you stupid fool.
Ironically, Churchill’s country and Europe got their knowledge from Islam, and Europe didn’t progress till it became secular. America was created to keep Christianity out, and it too prospered till the rise of the Chrisitan Right. The pagan man god Paul created and the black history of his followers, is proof of it’s evil. That’s why Jesus said,
“Many will say to Me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?’ And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; DEPART FROM ME, YOU WHO PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS.’” (Matthew 7:22-23)
Chrisitnaity has given nothing by way of knowledge or enlightnement, because it rejects the religion of Jesus, (a monotheistic, law following religion like Judaism) Instead it became a pagan cult, with a man god who saves you from all sins. That is why a Christian can kill and still be saved according to their pagan theology, and a non Christian is condemned to hell for rejecting a man God, that is why you had the Crusades, and why you killed Jews, Muslims and all “infidels”. Islam was a beacon of tolerance and by the way, have you read the Torah? Anyone who reads the two always concludes that the Torah, the religioun Jesus folowed is worse in all aspects, so how then can you claim to be a “christian” and condemn the Quran?
Islam built the west, and Churchill was envious of that. You use him as a source when he believed the Prototocals were real? As a true pagan Christian follower, of course he would see both Jews and Muslims and all others as infidels. By the way, it was Churchill’s lot who brought anti-semitism to Islamic lands when they came to the Mid East
I will now post some links to educate you,
http://www.hschamberlain.net/timeline/timeline.html
August 29: Jewish World Congress in Basel. The infamous book The Protocols of the Wise Men of Zion, allegedly a record of the proceedings of this congress, was published a few years later. Both Henry Ford and Winston Churchill were convinced of the authenticity of this document.
— Jewish industrialist and politician Walther Rathenau published his Höre, Israel! (Hear, Israel!) in which he summoned the Jewish population in Germany to assimilate and to adopt German virtues.
The Great Scandal: Christianity’s Role in the Rise of the Nazis
http://www.christianaggression.org/item_display.php?type=ARTICLES&id=1112242439
How Christian hatred for Jews led to the Hitler’s Jewish holocaust
“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord” Hitler in Mein Kampf
“Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?” (Matthew 23:33)
The Christian theology spurred hate of Jews since they blame the Jews for killing their mythical god Jesus. In other words, Hitler and his holocaust was a child of this Christian hatred.
Chapter 23 describes the famous diatribe of Jesus against the Jewish leaders. Such biblical words has, for centuries, given believers justification for Jewish hatred. This verse, spoken by the alleged Jesus himself, compares the unbelieving Jews with the serpent devil.
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
These verses by Jesus has fueled the engine of anti-Semitism throughout Europe and the rest of the world for centuries. Unfortunately many believers today still justify their hatred of Jews based on Scripture. source
How Christianity was the catalyst of the Holocaust
Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.
September 24th, 2009 at 8:15 am
Hey Jack Ashton, ISLAM BUILT THE WEST AND CIVILISATION
read and learn, ill help you, and explain how you can follow a religion that endorses peodophila, rape, mass murder, and worship of a man god that forgives all sins, and all others are condemned to hell.
And then read the mainstream scholarly references below that detail how Islam built moden civilisation and the West. See the DVD by Ben Kingsley below. Read the book by Mark Graham, which shows chapter by chapter how the West, Europe, USA et al were created by Islamic innovations, knowledge and gifts. That is why God gave us the Quran. And you have the gall to compare to Mein Kempf? Tch Tch, such spectacular ignorance…
Check out the muslimheritage.com site below, Prince Charles has a foreward, and it is used by British and other world renowned Universities in their curricululm.
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Welcome to the EvilBible.com Web Site
http://www.evilbible.com/
This web site is designed to spread the vicious truth about the Bible. For
far too long priests and preachers have completely ignored the vicious
criminal acts that the Bible promotes. The so called ?God? of the Bible
makes Osama Bin Laden look like a Boy Scout. This God, according to the
Bible, is directly responsible for many mass-murders, rapes, pillage,
plunder, slavery, child abuse and killing, not to mention the killing of
unborn children. I have included references to the Biblical passages, so
grab your Bible and follow along.
Hate Groups:
When The Hate Comes From ‘Churches’
Christian Science Monitor, USA
B. Knickerbocker
http://www.religionnewsblog.com/10652
1000 Years of Christian Barbarity
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
Christian Anti-Semitism: Past History, Present Challenges
http://www.unomaha.edu/jrf/2004Symposium/Pawlikowski.htm
CONVERT TO CHRISTIANITY OR DIE
Hugh Fogelman
http://www.jdstone.org/cr/files/converttochristianityordie.html
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Islam’s Contribution and Influence
on the World
By Sanah Burhan
http://www.islamic-study.org/Islam%27s%20Influence%20on%20the%20World.htm
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Islam: Empire of Faith is the epic PBS documentary that charts the history
of Islam from its beginnings in Mecca and Medina in the seventh century to
the glory of the Ottoman Empire 1,000 years later.
Starring: Ben Kingsley Director: Robert A. Gardner
Product Description
ISLAM: EMPIRE OF FAITH, a three-part series, re-creates the spectacular
sweep of Islamic power and faith during its first 1,000 years, from
Muhammad’s birth to the Ottoman Empire under Suleyman the Magnificent.
Evocative re-enactments and art, artifacts, and architecture combine with
scholarly interviews to recount the rise and glory of Islamic civilization.
DVD includes behind-the-scenes look at the making of ISLAM and producer’s
commentary
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00…v=glance&n=130
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“How Islam Created the Modern World,” written by award-winning author Mark
Graham.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Islam-Created-Modern-World/dp/1590080432/sr=8-1/qid=1157638890/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0126589-7657723?ie=UTF8&s=books
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Muslim scientists correctly calculated the circumference of the globe in the tenth century. Muslim musicians introduced the guitar and musical notation to the Europe. And Muslim philosophers invented the scientific method and paved the way for the Enlightenment. At the dawn of the Renaissance, Christian Europe was wearing Persian clothes, singing Arab songs, reading Spanish Muslim philosophy and eating off Mamluk Turish brassware. This is the story of how Muslims taught Europe to live well and think clearly. It is the story of how Islam created the Modern World.
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languages. He studied medieval history and religious studies at Connecticut College and has a master’s degree in English literature from Kutztown University. He lives in the Lehigh Valley, Pennsylvania.
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How Islamic inventors changed the world
http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article350594.ece
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new
exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and
identifies the men of genius behind them
Muslim contribution to science, art, technology, medicine and civilization
http://www.muslimheritage.com/Default.aspx
Muslim Scientists and Scholars
On this site you can read fascinating accounts of some of the most talented Muslim scholars in history whose contributions have left lasting marks in the annals of science, astronomy, medicine, surgery, engineering and philosophy.
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Let me know if you want more sources
September 24th, 2009 at 2:39 pm
I like Pam…
She has god sources. It has been amazing t see the things that came forward – REAL FACTS – about the Rifqa Bary case because Pam is an advocate for women of Islam who have been victims of honor killing. She is the least racist or bigoted one among you. Why? Because she defends women whether they have left Islam or NOT. She defends gay me – she doesn’t think they should be honor killed.
She defends Jews, Christians, Muslims, former Muslims, and more. Why not study honor killing and see why she is so impassioned. She comes from the religion that has known bitter persecution; somehow she is on fire to help others, especially defenseless girls, who are at risk of being exterminated.
And, Geert Wilders has a point…read what is happening in Europe before you laugh him off. It is no joke. Yo don’t need to lie the man or have dinner with him – But he definitely has a point. Look into it. At some point you may wish you had listened. You may wish there was a Pam Geller someone who was concerned for your safety.
And the fact that so many Jews voted for Obama does not make that AN INFORMED or intelligent choice. The thought he was nice and liberal. But he just gave the most intensely anti-Israel speech at the UN – they can pretty much kiss it goodbye. But maybe the US Jews didn’t like what Israel had become. That is their right.
About Obama and Malcom X – he is a spitting image of Malcolm x – Obama does not at all look like his African father. One could also make a case that Obama looks like “Frank” (Frank MArshall Davis)
I don’t know where that puts the birther movement – but I never thought Obama looked even remotely like the same gene pool of Obama Sr. even before I was aware of any controversy. I thought “What? they don’t look at all alike.”
And about Obama’s name – he did get the middle name when he was older – WHY?
We know less about Obama than we ever knew about any cnadidates and WHY is that? It is because you read his “autobiographies” penned by Bill Ayers, no less! You felt close to him – so you voted for him…But if he is so OPEN – why are so many of his record CLOSED?
Otherwise there was very little on which to judge this man who we made the most powerful leader in the world. He has never done so much as run a hot dog stand – He can talk – and he thinks he can ask the world to play nicely. We’d better hope it works.
ML
September 24th, 2009 at 3:07 pm
Mary Louise,
I’m really sorry to tell you this, but you have been duped by Pam Geller. At least you admit implicitly that she believed Malcolm was the father of Barack, which she now denies. Pam doesn’t care for anyone, she hates Muslims. It is clear.
Geert Wilders, has no point! If you like him, then you like a fascist who wants to do away with democratic freedoms. Don’t fall for the trap ML.
September 24th, 2009 at 5:35 pm
I don’t know if she thinks Malcolm is the Dad – but I have seen that claim made elsewhere. I will say he looks WAY more like Malcolm than his African Dad.
I disagree with you vehemently on this: “Pam doesn’t care for anyone, she hates Muslims. It is clear.”
It is clear she cares about Muslim girls and women. Read her section about honor killings. These women need a voice. I was horrified first by honor killings in the west, and THEN I found Pam’s site…
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-507020/Teenager-honour-killing-girl-dramatic-plea-help-died.html
Protect the girls
ML
September 25th, 2009 at 12:33 am
Lol, Mary-Louise is so daft. A good example of Pam’s readership.
Pam cares about the girlz! Bahaha.
September 25th, 2009 at 2:21 am
Mary Louise
Geller doesn’t care about Muslim girls she just uses them to further her own agenda. If she cared about honour killings why doesn’t she speak out against the Christian, Israeli Druze (a mixture of Muslim and Jewish religion) Hindu, Sikh, and other honour killings? There was a Yemeni Jew who killed his daughter last year, or the year before, where was Geller’s condemnation of that? Stop being so naive. Try posting the links below to Geller’s site, and she will delete them. She deletes all comments (even factual ones) if they discredit her bigotry.
One of the spectacular lies that those who have an agenda to discredit Islam propogate is that honour killings are Islamic. They are not. Islam is only 1450 years old. Honour killings existed centuries before then. Islam actually banned honour killings. Why don’t these liars protect the Christian, and other girls who are victims of honour killings? I’m posting links below which show non Muslim honour killings. It’s a cultural habit, not a religious one, and it’s also practiced in other societies, even Greece till recently.
I suggest you check out some of the fatwa’s issued against honour killings. There are plenty of documented Non Muslim honour killings at this website supported by those who want to end this practice in countries where it is still a custom. Also links below of honour killings comitted recently by Christian’s. In Israel the Druze (Non Muslim) beauty contestant Ms. Fares, pulled out after her relatives plotted an honour killing. .
http://www.stophonourkillings.com
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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honor_killing
Honor killings are more common among poor rural Muslim communities than
urban ones. Arab Christians living within parts of the Near East, such as
sections of Egypt, Jordan and the Palestinian Authority, sometimes carry out the crime as well
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Look beyond religion to find some reasons why honour killings go on
http://www.smh.com.au/news/Opinion/Look-beyond-religion-to-find-some-reasons-why-honour-killings-go-on/2005/01/25/1106415594713.html
That Islamic orthodoxy has been unanimous in its condemnation of this
behaviour for more than a millennium is either forgotten or ignored. So,
too, the fact that honour crimes occur only within small pockets of these
countries. The result is a crude diagnosis defined by the kind of
caricatures that lie at the heart of such literature as Norma Khouri’s now
infamous Forbidden Love.
The facts tell a different story. Many honour killings do happen among
Muslim families – a fact which should anger every Muslim – but Muslims do
not have a monopoly on this blight. It is present among Christian families
in the Middle East.
In the subcontinent, similar crimes occur among some Sikh and Hindu
communities, particularly surrounding inter-caste relationships. Crown
prosecutors in Britain say cases also come from Eastern European, Greek and
Italian communities.
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March 9, 2007
Miss Israel finalist quits after family’s honour killing plot
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article1489930.ece
the first Druze to compete in the pageant — was threatened with death,
allegedly by two uncles and other men from her village who accused her of
disgracing the family name with promiscuous behaviour.
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Play on ‘wife murder’ amongst Israeli Ethiopians
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1154525892570&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Wife murder, unknown among the Beta Israel in Ethiopia, has become a problem of crisis proportions in the migr Ethiopian community in Israel. While Ethiopians make up just one percent of the population, 25% of women murdered by their husbands or intimate partners over the past decade were Ethiopian.
Of the last 18 women killed, seven were Ethiopian – an even higher
percentage.
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http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1145961226794&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Apr. 26, 2006 0:51
Shfaram official probed for ‘honor killing’ comment
By DAN IZENBERG
On October 22, a Druse woman was killed by three of her relatives for
supposedly conducting an affair with a Muslim man.
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Women’s rights group: Arab ‘honor’ killings claim 9 victims in 2005
By Itim
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/pages/ShArt.jhtml?itemNo=649254&contrassID=2&subContrassID=15&sbSubContrassID=0&listSrc=Y
Shfaram’s Samar Hasan, 23, was allegedly murdered by her father and uncles,
who are Christian, because she was living with a Muslim man.
September 25th, 2009 at 2:32 am
Mary Louise,
There are many Islamic rulings and fatwa’s against honour killings. It’s a cultural tradition predating Islam, like genital mutiliation, and has no place in Islam.
Below is a link for you, from Islamonline.com one of the more Orthodox and popular Islamic websites, where you can send in your own questions and get an answer from scholars of Islam.
Also below for you, a Palestinian Christan honour killing detailed in the Guardian. These are things that Pamela Geller won’t tell you because she can’t use these girls for her bigotry.
Does this information make you see her in a different light? When i tried posting these at her website once she deleted the comments.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1512394,00.html
Murdered in name of family honour
Chris McGreal in Ramallah reports on a rise in killings of Palestinian women
Thursday June 23, 2005
The Guardian
Faten Habash’s father wept as he assured his daughter there would be no more beatings, no more threats to her life and that she was free to marry the man she loved, even if he was a Muslim. All he asked was that Faten return home.
But the next weekend, as Faten watched a Boy Scouts parade from the balcony of her Ramallah home, the 22-year-old Christian Palestinian was dragged into the living room and bludgeoned to death with an iron bar. Her father was arrested for the murder.
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Honour killing outside the world of Islam
http://www.islamawareness.net/HonourKilling/outside.html
fatwa against ho
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Honor Killing from an Islamic Perspective
Respected scholars, As-Salamu `Alaykum wa Rahmatu Allah wa Barakatuh. What
does Islam say about honor killings? Does Islam really have a concept of
honor killings, most of the victims here are females; so does Islam really
order to kill females in the name of honor?
http://www.islamonline.net/servlet/Satellite?pagename=IslamOnline-English-Ask_Scholar/FatwaE/FatwaE&cid=1119503543392
September 25th, 2009 at 3:01 am
Dear Mary Louise
The death penalty for apostasy exists in Judaism too. Perhap’s Ms Geller can explain why she doesn’t expand upon that.
Did you know Christians are eligible for the death sentence for idolatry in Orthodox Judaism. Do a cursory search at Jewish religious websites and you will see for yourself.
The Pharisee’s wanted Jesus to die because according to them he left Judaism. He didn’t die, but they wanted him to.
The same with the Shabtei Tzvi, the false Jewish Messiah in Ottoman times. He was sentenced to death at the inisistence of the Rabbis and only lived because he converted to Islam. In Islam a non Moslem can convert to Islam and save his life if he is given the death sentence as long as he repents.
September 26th, 2009 at 6:42 am
“Hey Jack Ashton, ISLAM BUILT THE WEST AND CIVILISATION”
Only in your imagination, a lot of achievements that muslims claim were not created by muslims, ‘arabic’ numerals were actually created by Indian Hindus. Algebra was actually invented by pre-Islamic babylonians, parabolic arches are assyrian in origin and so on. In his book How Greek Science Passed to the Arabs, O’Leary lists 22 scholars and translators during the Golden Age of Islam; 20 were Christians, 1 was a Persian, and 1 was a Muslim.
“And then read the mainstream scholarly references below that detail how Islam built moden civilisation and the West.”
Wrong, civilization owes more to Europe and Asia and besides European cultures have been far more egalitarian and free than Islamic nations; take the basques or the Scottish Highlanders for example. Not to mention Europe produced the abolition movement, on the other hand slavery continued to exist in islamic nations such as saudi arabia until the 1960s. So I’m afraid your lil’ sumpremacist rant is pure fantasy.
“Read the book by Mark Graham, which shows chapter by chapter how the West, Europe, USA et al were created by Islamic innovations, knowledge and gifts.”
Man and I thought lord of the rings was chock full of fantasy, the US constitution was not influenced by islam, it was however influenced by Native American society, you know absolutely nothing of history, people with supremacist mindsets rarely do.
“Prince Charles has a foreward, and it is used by British and other world renowned Universities in their curricululm.”
Prince Charles is a moron I couldn’t care less what he thinks.
September 26th, 2009 at 7:23 am
“Ironically, Churchill’s country and Europe got their knowledge from Islam”
Wrong very wrong, apart from the fact that many ‘muslim’ acheivements aren’t islamic in origin (‘arabic’ numerals were actually invented by Indians), Europe has gotten it’s knowledge from such sources as Greece, data preserved by Romanized goths, texts preserved by Irish people and so on.
“and Europe didn’t progress till it became secular.”
So such achievements as the renniassance or abolition movements were all in my imagination? Not to mention European cultures have been far more egalitarian and democratic; the Norse for example.
“America was created to keep Christianity out”
And in what alternate universe did that happen? Last time I checked quite of a few America’s founding fathers were Christians.
“Chrisitnaity has given nothing by way of knowledge or enlightnement”
So Nicolaus Copernicus was all in my imagination? Also why was it that Christian the Christian Assyrians translated the Greek Corpus to Syriac, then to Arabic? Also most of the great muslim thinkers were not exactly devote, Ibn Sina did not believe in the immortality of the soul and did not believe in a god that cares about the creation.
Hafiz didn’t praise muhammed in any of his poetry and wrote ‘drink and burn the pulpit but don’t hurt people.’ Ar Razi spoke fearlessly against all the religions calling the Prophets disdainfully “Billy Goats” and liars. So many were muslim in name only, the idea that islam can be credited with any of their achievements is absurd.
“that is why you had the Crusades”
The Crusades were a defensive campaign, also I love it how you don’t mention the Armenian, Greek or Assyrian genocides.
“and why you killed Jews, Muslims and all “infidels.”
Atrocities took place on both sides, the crusades wouldn’t happened if muslims hadn’t provoked them, do you see the hypocrisy is whining about the crusades but not mentioning islamic genocides? Also what do you mean by ‘you killed’ unless anyone here is immortal that sentence is quite silly.
“Islam was a beacon of tolerance”
Try to telling that to Christian Copts who have to live under oppression not to mention minorities such as Jews had easier lives in countries such as Ireland and Wales who were far more tolerant. Compare this:
Joe Briscoe, son of Robert Briscoe, the Dublin Jewish politician, describes the Limerick episode as “an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and its treatment of the Jews”.
To this:
“Now, contrary to what many Jews and other people have believed, conditions in Muslim lands were often worse for Jews than in Christendom. At least this was the opinion of the great Jewish philosopher, Maimonides (1135-1204), who fled Spain due to persecution by a fanatical Muslim sect and ended up as a Jewish leader in Egypt and physician to the famous Sultan Saladin. ”
http://israelagainstterror.blogspot.com/2009/08/forgotten-oppression-of-jews-under_14.html
“and by the way, have you read the Torah? Anyone who reads the two always concludes that the Torah, the religioun Jesus folowed is worse in all aspects, so how then can you claim to be a “christian” and condemn the Quran?”
Which just proves that religion is a tool of oppression.
“Islam built the west”
If that’s true why have muslims had to pass off Hindu and Assyrian achievements as their own?
“By the way, it was Churchill’s lot who brought anti-semitism to Islamic lands when they came to the Mid East”
Pure fiction, the quran is filled with anti-semitism, for example Muhammad exterminated the Jews of Arabia who called that land home for 2000 years.
“How Christian hatred for Jews led to the Hitler’s Jewish holocaust
“By defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord” Hitler in Mein Kampf”
Here’s what hitler really thought:
“You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?”
“It is through the peasantry that we will really be able to destroy Christianity, because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood.”
Also how could the nazis have been Christians when they brutalized the Christians of poland? Not to mention muslims allies themselves with the nazis, it’s alliance that continues to this day, David Duke for example.
“Chapter 23 describes the famous diatribe of Jesus against the Jewish leaders. Such biblical words has, for centuries, given believers justification for Jewish hatred. This verse, spoken by the alleged Jesus himself, compares the unbelieving Jews with the serpent devil.
“Behold, I will make them of the synagogue of Satan, which say they are Jews, and are not, but do lie; behold, I will make them to come and worship before thy feet, and to know that I have loved thee.”
These verses by Jesus has fueled the engine of anti-Semitism throughout Europe and the rest of the world for centuries. Unfortunately many believers today still justify their hatred of Jews based on Scripture. source”
Like I said that just proves that religion is inherently oppressive.
“Hitler’s anti-Semitism grew out of his Christian education. Austria and Germany were majorly Christian during his time and they held the belief that Jews were an inferior status to Aryan Christians. The Christians blamed the Jews for the killing of Jesus. Jewish hatred did not actually spring from Hitler, it came from the preaching of Catholic priests and Protestant ministers throughout Germany for hundreds of years. The Protestant leader, Martin Luther, himself, held a livid hatred for Jews and their Jewish religion. In his book, “On the Jews and their Lies,” Luther set the standard for Jewish hatred in Protestant Germany up until World War 2. Hitler expressed a great admiration for Martin Luther constantly quoting his works and beliefs.”
If that’s true explain the quotes? And why did hitler seek to elevate pagan sympbols above the cross? Why did hitler invade other Christian countries? Why did he kill and imprison christians? Why wasn’t spreading religion a key interest of his? Why didn’t he have any problem allying with muslims?
http://www.tellthechildrenthetruth.com/gallery/
September 27th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
first pam is clinically paranoid and bigotted and she lets comments stand on her site that are obvious hate speech. secondly, the debate between some here about which is better islam or christianity is stupid. they are both fairy stories designed to keep barely literate societies together and we need neither of them.
September 29th, 2009 at 3:11 am
Regardless of what these litigious commentators say about religion, a woman that seriously believes that malcolm X is obama’s father is mentally unstable. We don’t need proof that he is not malcolm X’s son, we need proof that he IS his son. Innocent before proven guilty.
Lastly one can blame any particular religion or culture for the wrongs of this world, just look at the demographics of the world’s worst governments. The world’s most oppressive regime is atheistic (North Korea). The world’s worst record of human rights is also shared between a christian (Robert Mugabe), a buddhist (than shwe) and a muslim (Omar-Al Bashir).
Islam doesn’t even come up as the world’s main source of terrorism. Most acts of terrorism last year were committed by the Tamil Tigers (Hindu Secularists), the FDLR (moderate christians) and the LRA (Christian fundamentalists).
September 29th, 2009 at 3:28 am
Looking at Pamela Geller’s blog now, I am realizing she is not only crazy but also a genocide-denier! look at this post http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/07/the-pictures-th.html
You know you have to be a muslim hater when you name your blog “ATLAS SHRUGGED” yet defend the communist genocide in Bosnia !
September 30th, 2009 at 11:26 am
Barry Lyndon says,
“Wrong very wrong, apart from the fact that many ‘muslim’ acheivements aren’t islamic in origin (’arabic’ numerals were actually invented by Indians), Europe has gotten it’s knowledge from such sources as Greece, data preserved by Romanized goths, texts preserved by Irish people and so on.”
This is an Islamophobic card, used to try to erase the history of Muslim contributions to humanity. The Renaissance was spurred by interaction and exchange with the Muslim world, this history is well known but is whitewashed by Historians such as Ranke who attempted to paint all knowledge especially that which shaped modernity as originating from Europe, that is why he and others like him link the Renaissance to the rediscovered Greeks. Read the Renaissance Bazzar to get a more accurate picture of the emergence of the renaissance rather than relying on 19th century historians whose supremacist school of thought has largely been debunked.
I agree with you that it is not completely accurate to state that “Europe didn’t progress until it became secular.” I have issues with definitions of “progress” and the whole thing implies a teleological view of History which is problematic from many standpoints. However, it is true that the Enlightenment would not have been possible if the European principalities and governments didn’t hack away at each other over mundane points as: is it permissible to sing in Church (Anabaptists), whether the Son of God transfigured, the role of the Pope…ie the Religious Wars. This orgy of blood led people to divorce themselves from the union of religion and state. You had thinkers saying “enough blood” in the name of our ethics and principles “we have to live, and let live” and therefore you had the rebirth and reconfiguration of Democracy and the nation-States (problematic as well).
It is a disputed field as to how many Muslims were involved in the translations of the ancient text. Either way what you seem to be unable to countenance is that even those Christian Arabs/Syriacs who translated the ancient knowledges had Muslim pupils! That is the reason why Muslims were able to take the said knowledge and revolutionize it and expand upon it. To add to the writings and commentaries of Aristotle. That is why Averroes was known as the “Great Commentator” by Aquanius. That is why the free thinkers of Europe were known as Averroists. Your attempt to erase such a shared history and fertilization between the Muslim mediterranean and Europe is futile and sad.
It also seems you’ve picked up the books of Ibn Warraq who paints all the popular figures of Muslim history as not only non-Muslim but haters of Islam. Hafiz was an ambivalent figure, a free thinker, I surely would agree that he was ecclectic, and I don’t think his perverted poems about young boys had anything to do with Islam but it is completely true that the enviornment he grew up in, the symbols, metaphors, tropes he employed were influenced by Muslim literature and Islam. That’s a fact.
You also bandy about the absurd and revisionist idea that the Crusades were defensive. They weren’t defensive or in response to any Muslim army. Their whole purpose was the fulfillment of the visions of the Papacy, which saw the Holy Land filled with pagan Muslims. They were sent out in the hopes of procuring riches from “the land of Milk and honey” to quote the Pope. It seems you agree with the actions of the Crusaders? Or you blame Muslims for being massacred by them?
You try and bring up the lives of Jews in Europe as more tolerant than in the Middle East. How absurd! That Jews lived in relatively more tolerant conditions in Muslim lands than in Europe is not in contention except by the likes of Bat Ye’or and revisionists such as yourself. Ireland was the only tolerant place in the whole of Europe and even there as you show there were pograms. The whole of the Middle East was a sea of Irelands and better! That is why Maimonides went from Spain, where he saw an oppressive and aberrant group take power to Egypt and Salahdin where he was treated with the utmost respect. So you bringing that up actually goes against you.
Barry Lyndon says,
“Not to mention muslims allies themselves with the nazis, it’s alliance that continues to this day, David Duke for example.”
More Islamophobia. Trying to link Muslims with Nazis in a forever link that goes way back. You impugn all Muslims as Nazis, have you no shame?
Churchill’s comments show him to be an anti-Semite yet you continue to use him as a reference? Churchill was a supremacist, a colonialist and you admire him?
Muhammad did not exterminate the Jews of Arabia. How ridiculous can you get Barry? Stop with the Islamophobia and come to your senses.
September 30th, 2009 at 11:08 pm
Trust me. I’m a reformed Islamophobe blogger as well as a reformed ‘friend’ of Pammycakes. She is beyond insane.
October 1st, 2009 at 10:01 pm
Why hasn’t my reply to Ustadh been posted yet?
October 1st, 2009 at 10:40 pm
Barry it looks like your post was probably sent to Spam and automatically deleted, can you repost your reply?
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
“This is an Islamophobic card used to try to erase the history of Muslim contributions to humanity.”
Except the contributions weren’t actually islamic, arabic numerals came from India, the concept of zero and algebra came from babylonia, it was actually Christian Assyrians who translated and preserved the Greek Corpus.
“The Renaissance was spurred by interaction and exchange with the Muslim world”
While it’s true that Arabic texsts had influence, the Renaissance also took place because it’s thinkers sought out texts from monastic libraries (Ireland preserved a great deal of texsts) and the Byzantine empire.
“Read the Renaissance Bazzar to get a more accurate picture of the emergence of the renaissance”
Read a revisionist book filled with lies? No thanks, I think this review sums that book up:
“The Renaissance was not all that Burckhardt claimed, and this is a lesson that bears repeating. But Renaissance Bazaar would make an unfortunate choice for a textbook. It is littered with errors. To cite a small selection: Constantinople did not fall to the Turks on 28 May 1453 (49). Printing did not arrive in Rome in 1465 (78). Lorenzo de’ Medici was not Cosimo’s son (102). It is doubtful that any medieval cartographer marked “uncharted waters” as terra incognita (158); Istanbul means neither “throne” nor “capital” in Turkish (51); the inscription in Costanzo da Ferrara’s Seated Scribe is not Arabic but Persian (137). Federico da Montefeltro rather famously refused to “invest heavily” in printed books (77); Copernicus spent little if any time “gazing at the stars through scientific instruments of his own invention” (187).”
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb3394/is_1_58/ai_n29172163/
If I want fiction, I’ll go pick up the next James Ellroy novel.
“rather than relying on 19th centuryhistorians whose supremacist school of thought has largely been debunked.”
How am I a supremacist when I praised Asian contributions? Sugarnspice however definitely is a supremacist.
“I agree with you that it is not completely accurate to state that “Europe didn’t progress until it became secular.”
Why thank you.
“It is a disputed field as to how many Muslims were involved in the translations of the ancient text. Either way what you seem to be unable to countenance is that even those Christian Arabs/Syriacs who translated the ancient knowledges had Muslim pupils!”
I know.
“That is the reason why Muslims were able to take the said knowledge and revolutionize it and expand upon it. To add to the writings and commentaries of Aristotle. That is why was known as the “Great Commentator” by Aquanius. That is why the free thinkers of Europe were known as Averroists. Your attempt to erase such a shared history and fertilization between the Muslim mediterranean and Europe is futile and sad.”
Giving the fact that you recommend me a book filled me errors and lies I don’t think you’re in the position to lecture someone about history.
“It also seems you’ve picked up the books of Ibn Warraq who paints all the popular figures of Muslim history as not only non-Muslim but haters of Islam. Hafiz was an ambivalent figure, a free thinker, I surely would agree that he was ecclectic, and I don’t think his perverted poems about young boys had anything to do with Islam but it is completely true that the enviornment he grew up in, the symbols, metaphors, tropes he employed were influenced by Muslim literature and Islam. That’s a fact.”
My point is that while there were great Arab thinkers they were muslims in name only, thus the idea that islam can be credited with their achievements is a tad silly.
“You also bandy about the absurd and revisionist idea that the Crusades were defensive.”
It was a respone to muslim agression, the crusaders only ‘invaded’ lands that were Christian, the goal wasn’t to topple the islamic empire.
“They weren’t defensive or in response to any Muslim army.”
Really? So the muslims who attacked pilgrims and European nations never existed?
“Their whole purpose was the fulfillment of the visions of the Papacy, which saw the Holy Land filled with pagan Muslims. They were sent out in the hopes of procuring riches from “the land of Milk and honey” to quote the Pope.
“It seems you agree with the actions of the Crusaders?”
No but I disagree with the myths of the crusades, especially since quite a few muslims will whine about the crusades 24/7 but never mention islamic atrocities.
“Or you blame Muslims for being massacred by them?”
How interesting that you left out massacres committed by muslims or do you think that they just wanted to be pals?
October 2nd, 2009 at 12:07 am
“You try and bring up the lives of Jews in Europe as more tolerant than in the Middle East. How absurd!”
There were European countries that were far more tolerant, Wales is an example, the Jews there didn’t have to live under dhimmitude.
“That Jews lived in relatively more tolerant conditions in Muslim lands than in Europe”
Oh really? So Maimonides was lying? Forcing people to pay a poll tax and enduring Jim Crow like status isn’t tolerance, it’s oppression. And yes European countries such as Wales were far more tolerant and while dhimmitude still existed in the 18th century Britain passed the Jewish Naturalization Act of 1753.
“is not in contention except by the likes of Bat Ye’or and revisionists such as yourself.”
I’ve never read Bat Ye’ or and if anyone’s a revisionist here it’s you, dhimmitude is anything but tolerance, ask a Copt or a Hindu.
“Ireland was the only tolerant place in the whole of Europe”
No it was only one example, Wales and Scotland are other examples and as I pointed Britian passed the Jewish Naturalization Act 1753 when islamic nations were oppressing Jews under dhimmitude.
“and even there as you show there were pograms.”
There was only one pogram; the limerick pogrom which (if memory serves) occured in the 20th century and it was widely criticized outside of Ireland.
“The boycott was condemned by many in Ireland, among them the influential Standish O’Grady in his paper All Ireland Review, depicting Jews and Irish as “brothers in a common struggle”. The Land Leaguer Michael Davitt (author of The True Story of Anti-Semitic Persecutions in Russia), in the Freeman’s Journal, attacked those who had participated in the riots and visited homes of Jewish victims in Limerick.[11] His friend, Corkman William O’Brien MP, leader of the United Irish League and editor of the Irish People, had a Jewish wife, Sophie Raffalovic.
Father Creagh was moved by his superiors initially to Belfast and then to an island in the Pacific Ocean. In 1914 he was promoted by the Pope to be Vicar Apostolic of Kimberley, Western Australia, a position he held until 1922.[12] He died in Wellington, New Zealand in 1947.
Joe Briscoe, son of Robert Briscoe, the Dublin Jewish politician, describes the Limerick episode as “an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and its treatment of the Jews”.[13] Robert Briscoe was a prominent member of the IRA during the Irish War of Independence and the Irish Civil War. He was sent by Michael Collins to Germany in 1920 to be the chief agent for procuring arms for the IRA. Briscoe proved to be highly successful at this mission and arms arrived into Ireland in spite of the British blockade”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland#Limerick_Pogrom
“The whole of the Middle East was a sea of Irelands and better!”
Dhimmitude was better? What fantasy world are you in? How is enduring Jim Crow like status and paying a poll tax better?
“That is why Maimonides went from Spain, where he saw an oppressive and aberrant group take power to Egypt and Salahdin where he was treated with the utmost respect. So you bringing that up actually goes against you.”
Wrong, did you even read the article? Maimonides fled spain not because of European oppression but because of islamic oppression and he considered the muslim nations to be worse than European nations.
“More Islamophobia.”
So it’s islamophobia to point out facts? I’m not a bigot like Robert Spencer and I don’t appreciate being called one.
“Trying to link Muslims with Nazis in a forever link that goes way back.”
It’s historical fact, apart from Amin Al Husseini, thousands of Bosnian muslims joined the nazis and muslim pro-nazi groups sprang up in the middle east and to this very day leading prominent neo nazis express pro-islamic sentiments.
“You impugn all Muslims as Nazis, have you no shame?”
I didn’t say all muslims are nazis; I simply pointed out historical fact and it’s also a fact that muslims were on both sides and to be fair I probably should have mentioned that. Also it amuses me how you whine about the crusades but turn a blind eye to the muslims who joined the nazi army, interesting double standard.
“Churchill’s comments show him to be an anti-Semite yet you continue to use him as a reference?”
Where did I use him as a reference?
“Churchill was a supremacist, a colonialist and you admire him?”
I don’t.
“Muhammad did not exterminate the Jews of Arabia.”
Oh he did.
“How ridiculous can you get Barry?”
Hmmm ridiculous, a perfect word for someone who thinks that forcing people to pay a tax and making them live under jim crow like status is tolerance.
“Stop with the Islamophobia and come to your senses.”
Can you please stop with the weak accusations of bigotry? Mature debates should take place without attempts to paint your opponent as a ‘wacist’, it’s tedious and immature, debates are fought with facts not weak attempts to demonize your opponent.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am
“There were European countries that were far more tolerant, Wales is an example, the Jews there didn’t have to live under dhimmitude.”
No they weren’t. Spanish Inquisition and the various progroms from Ireland to Germany, the Holocaust were not more tolerant than dhimmitude. If that were the case the fleeing Jews of Spain and Sicily would have gone to Wales or other so called “tolerant” European nations, instead the went to Istanbul and the Ottoman Empire, or the Maghreb.
“Oh really? So Maimonides was lying?”
Bringing Maimonides up hurts your case. (by the way I never said he fled because of European problems) Maimonides was an admirer of Islam, that is why when he left Spain because of the take over by an aberrant group not representative of Andalusian history of convencia he WENT TO SALAHIDIN IN EGYPT, not to Europe. He had never lived in the feudal European countries and of course didn’t want to knowing the plight of his fellow Jews there. Maimonides was full of praise for Salahadin. The link you provide goes to an extremist Israeli website, hardly a reliable link. It also references Bat Ye’or as an expert on Dhimmitude, the conspiracy theorist and racist! That is what you want us to rely on! Ridiculous! For all your statements pleading innocence from bigotry and Islamophobia, your highly subjective arguments and references show you for you who truly are.
I’ve debunked your other ridiculous and Islamophobic accusations of trying to link all Muslims as Nazis in another post, and yes that is Islamophobic and as long as you continue to attempt to link Muslims as being somehow major players in Nazism and for the Third Reich I will continue to call you out on it. The only reason you do so is because supporters of Israel want to tie Muslims to the Western fascism of the past to justify their own inhumane policies towards the Palestinians.
October 2nd, 2009 at 10:10 am
Barry,
I will answer your other ridiculous comment when I get the chance.
October 2nd, 2009 at 11:29 pm
“Spanish Inquisition”
Spain was only one part of Europe.
“and the various progroms from Ireland”
Did you even read my post? Ireland only had one pogrom in the 20th century and in the words of Joe Briscoe, son of Robert Briscoe, the Dublin Jewish politician, an “an aberration in an otherwise almost perfect history of Ireland and its treatment of the Jews”.
“to Germany the Holocaust were not more tolerant than dhimmitude.”
Where did I mention Germany? I didn’t say that every European nation was tolerant I simply pointed that there are European nations who were more tolerant of Jews. Not to mention there’s the matter of islamic slavery, while Europe produced the abolitionist movement (Poland banned the practice in the 15th century) and the British empire fought against it on the other hand slavery flourished in islamic lands (slavery still openly existed in Saudi Arabia in the 1960s).
“If that were the case the fleeing Jews of Spain and Sicily would have gone to Wales or other so called “tolerant” European nations, instead the went to Istanbul and the Ottoman Empire, or the Maghreb.”
Most likely they went to istanbul because that was all they could afford, look at a map, notice how far Ireland or Britian is from Sicily or Italy?
“Maimonides was an admirer of Islam”
Then why did he think that conditions in Muslims lands were worse for Jews? Also here’s one of his experiences with islam:
“The Almohades from Africa conquered Córdoba in 1148, and threatened the Jewish community with the choice of conversion to Islam, death, or exile.[9] Maimonides’s family, along with most other Jews, chose exile.”
And you expect me to believe he loved islam?
“Maimonides was full of praise for Salahadin.”
Salahadin was his meal ticket of course he praised him.
“The link you provide goes to an extremist Israeli website”
What website would that be? Also you support lebanese tyranny, you’re in no position to dictate what is or isn’t extremist.
“hardly a reliable link.”
If it’s so unreliable refute the facts in the article.
“It also references Bat Ye’or as an expert on Dhimmitude, the conspiracy theorist and racist!”
She was only one of the references.
“That is what you want us to rely on! Ridiculous!”
She wasn’t the only reference, if the article is so false try refuting it instead of whining.
“For all your statements pleading innocence from bigotry”
You’ve made pro-hezbollah statements, you’re in no position to ramble about bigotry.
“and Islamophobia”
Yeah I’m an anti-muslim bigot that must be why I criticized Rob Spencer.
“your highly subjective arguments and references show you for you who truly are.”
Give me an example of my ‘subjective arguments’.
“I’ve debunked your other ridiculous and Islamophobic accusations of trying to link all Muslims as Nazis in another post”
Only in your own mind, the facts are that apart from Husseini there were muslims who were very pro-nazi, deal with it and to this day prominent neo-nazis such as David Duke express pro-islamic and pro-palestinian sentiments.
“and yes that is Islamophobic”
Your weak accusations of bigotry only lower the quality of the debate stick to facts rather than trying to lump me in with Robert Spencer.
“and as long as you continue to attempt to link Muslims as being somehow major players in Nazism and for the Third Reich I will continue to call you out on it.”
For the zillionth time I didn’t say that all muslims were pro-nazi, I simply pointed that a significant number of muslims were involved with the third reich.
“The only reason you do so is because supporters of Israel want to tie Muslims to the Western fascism of the past to justify their own inhumane policies towards the Palestinians.”
As you’ve shown in the Bat Ye Or post, you support Hezbollah and Lebanon and yet you whine about Israel? That’s about as hypocritical as it gets.
October 3rd, 2009 at 6:53 am
Barry, you don’t know anything about Islam or Islamic history, except for what you have read on the internet. That much is very clear. You keep using terms like “dhimmitude” (a term invented by Bat Ye’or) and arguing that dhimmis lived under “Jim Crow laws,” which clearly shows that you believe Bat Ye’or’s nonsense, all of which has been debunked by credible historians. My next article–after the one I’m about to publish in a couple days–will debunk your arguments about Jim Crow laws and “Dhimmitude.” Again, you don’t know anything but you think you do.
You deny reading Bat Ye’or, yet you use a term that she created, i.e. “dhimmitude.” What a liar. But I actually believe you that you’ve never read her work, because you’ve only read websites that base their articles on her “research.”
-Danios.
October 3rd, 2009 at 6:59 am
“For the zillionth time I didn’t say that all muslims were pro-nazi, I simply pointed that a significant number of muslims were involved with the third reich.”
You mention that “a significant number of muslims were involved with the third reich”, but fail to mention that (1) an even greater number of Muslims fought the Third Reich, and (2) an even greater number of Christians were involved with the Third Reich, which nullifies any of your pathetic attempts to link Islam to the Third Reich.
I think Barry should be banned from the site, and I hope the admin does that. He’s just a Glenn Beck type and there is no point in trying to discuss anything with him. This is not a debate site.
-Danios.
October 3rd, 2009 at 8:20 pm
Benji–Atlas Shrugged–and got two black eyes!
I want to make a general apology at this point for having for almost 2 years having my brain taking over by the loons, writing for and with them, editing material, and defending Pammycakes all over the place. And transcriptions. I’m trying very, very hard to atone for my sins (though I wear the headscarf just because I like it, not for some twisted mental reason).
Yes, I too was a loon. At least I didn’t have a watch site though. (bows and curtsies to those present)
October 3rd, 2009 at 9:50 pm
Also as it turns out Bat Ye’ Or didn’t come up with the dhimmi word, Bachir Gemayel.
“Lebanon is our homeland and will remain a homeland for Christians… We want to continue to christen, to celebrate our rites and traditions, our faith and our creed whenever we wish… Henceforth, we refuse to live in any dhimmitude!”
Bachir said that in 1982, while Bat Ye’ Or first used it in 1983.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:14 am
So you are telling me that you read the term “Dhimmitude” from Bachir Gemayel? Or will you quote what came right after where you got that from? Which says:
“The concept of “dhimmitude” was introduced into Western discourse by the writer Bat Ye’or in a French-language article published in…1983. The term was used in English as early as 1985 in a book review by Prof. James E. Biechler in the Journal of Ecumenical Studies, in which he praised Ye’or’s work”
C’mon, let’s be real.
Anyways, I think you should be banned for harassing other members accusing them of supporting terrorists. When the Israel and Hezbollah war went on, many Muslims sided with Hezbollah, just because they thought Israel was a bigger terrorist.
-Danios.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:17 am
Pamela also supports and praises that waste of space Sarah Palin, isn’t it hypocritical of her to claim to be against islamic extremism, while supporting Palin who has extremist beliefs and attends a talibanesque church?
“But Pastor Kalnins has also preached that critics of President Bush will be banished to hell; questioned whether people who voted for Sen. John Kerry in 2004 would be accepted to heaven; charged that the 9/11 terrorist attacks and war in Iraq were part of a war “contending for your faith;” and said that Jesus “operated from that position of war mode.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/02/palins-church-may-have-sh_n_123205.html
But all that’s okay with Pam, because Palin’s white, female and total nut like her, anyone who isn’t like Pam’s twisted little right wing tribe is one of the ‘others’ and someone to be demonized.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:38 am
To clarify: I do not support Hezbollah, nor did I even support them in the Israel-Lebanon war. My view is that even though Israel is to blame in whole for invading other countries, nonetheless Hezbollah is to blame for giving Israel the excuse to do that. Hezbollah lobbed rockets, and then hid in their holes when Israel invaded, leaving the Lebanese people to deal with the consequences.
Nonetheless, all I am saying is that if–in the specific context of an Israel-Lebanese war–some Muslims supported Hezbollah, not wholly but just in this specific war, then I wouldn’t think it’s justified to point at them and say “terrorist supporter!” It would be like an American supporting communist Russia over Nazi Germany. It’s supporting the lesser of two evils.
As for my views about Israel-Palestine in general, I am a supporter of the two state solution, and also believe that the Palestinians should adopt non-violent forms of resistance on the Gandhian model.
Sincerely,
Danios.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:51 am
One more thing, Barry:
You defended yourself by saying that it was Bachir Gemayel who came up with the term “Dhimmitude.” You have now taken yourself out of the frying pan and into the fire. At least Bat Ye’or hasn’t actually killed anyone. Bachir Gemayel was a war criminal.
He led the Phalangists who ambushed a bus killing over two dozen Palestinian civilians inside of it, actions which culminated in the Lebanese Civil War. Gamayel was responsible for the Black Saturday massacre, and he would later collude with another war criminal, none other than Ariel Sharon, the same Mr. Sharon who orchestrated the Sabra and Shatila massacres with the help of the Phalangists.
So congratulations on using a term coined by a war criminal, and introduced to the Western world by a lunatic, Bat Ye’or. But let’s be honest for a second: you got the term from JihadWatch.
But it’s more than just your use of terminology, it’s also your concepts. More on that later, when I publish my articles on the subject, which should within the month, if not two weeks.
Sincerely,
Danios.
October 4th, 2009 at 4:42 pm
Barry arguing with you is like talking to a wall, and your writing is like hearing a broken record. I can sum up your talking points:
-Muslims have never contributed anything to humanity. Those Muslims who did, no matter if they self-identified as Muslims, are according to you, a non-Muslim trying to speak on their behalf, ‘Muslims’ only in name.
-Muslims, spurred by their religion have within them an ingrained anti-Semitism no matter how many times they denounce it. They can’t be trusted because, again, they’re Muslims and probably lying, you can’t trust what a Muslim says.
-Muslims have been worse persecutors of Jews and other minorities than Europe where over 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust by Europeans. Worse than a Europe that created the ghetto, the pogroms, the blood libels, the protocols of Zion which were previously unknown to the Muslim world.
-Muslims are Nazis and were a central part of the Third Reich.
-Maimonides hated Islam even though he sought sanctuary with Salahadin, the liberator of Palestine from the Crusaders and sung his praises.
-The Crusades were defensive, even though they were undertaken unprovoked by Muslims. The Pope declared “go to the land of Milk and Honey and rescue it from the pagans” and it was defensive. Germans, English, Irish people never attacked by those in Palestine were fighting a defensive war according to you. When they looted and massacred the Byzantian Orthodox Christians they were acting defensively.
-Paint any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.
These are some of your talking points Barry. All of them spring from your insipid hatred for Muslims, and all are the clear traits of an Islamophobe.
Firstly, you still don’t seem to get it. Al-Khwarizimi, yes, a Muslim to your disbelief is considered to be the founder of Algebra. Algebra it self comes from the Arabic word “Al-Jabr” one of the names of Allah. You have a peculiar way of thinking about knowledge. You imply that all that is to be known about a subject is learned, known at the moment of its inception or as you ridiculously state “invented.” Knowledge is a field which is learned and advanced over time, algebra had an incredibly long gestation period. You honestly think the “algebra” of the Babylonians is what we know today? You state correctly that the first known society to use zero were the Indians, something that the Babylonians didn’t have. Babylonians failed to develop symbols to express their craft, it took the work of Diophantus and especially Al-Khwarizimi who helped form what we know as abstract algebra. His book “Al-Jabr wa Muqabala” is what laid the ground work for what we know as modern Algebra.
“The term algebra is derived from the name of one of the basic operations with equations (al-jabr) described in this book. The book was translated in Latin as Liber algebrae et almucabala by Robert of Chester (Segovia, 1145) hence “algebra”, and also by Gerard of Cremona. A unique Arabic copy is kept at Oxford and was translated in 1831 by F. Rosen. A Latin translation is kept in Cambridge.
The al-jabr is considered the foundational text of modern algebra. It provided an exhaustive account of solving polynomial equations up to the second degree, and introduced the fundamental methods of “reduction” and “balancing”, referring to the transposition of subtracted terms to the other side of an equation, that is, the cancellation of like terms on opposite sides of the equation.”
“It was a revolutionary move away from the Greek concept of mathematics which was essentially geometry.”
“Al-Khwarizmi’s text can be seen to be distinct not only from the Babylonian tablets, but also from Diophantus’ Arithmetica. It no longer concerns a series of problems to be resolved, but an exposition which starts with primitive terms in which the combinations must give all possible prototypes for equations, which henceforward explicitly constitute the true object of study. On the other hand, the idea of an equation for its own sake appears from the beginning and, one could say, in a generic manner, insofar as it does not simply emerge in the course of solving a problem, but is specifically called on to define an infinite class of problems.”
That is one history lesson for you today.
On the issue of the Renaissance Bazaar, I know you don’t want to read it because it challenges you. The ones who view it as revisionist are those Eurocentric scholars that have been peddling the same or a variation on the same theory of Burkhardt (originator of the Eurocentric view of the renaissance) who even the reviewer of this book agreed “didn’t get everything right.”
The factual errors are just that, most are very minor and in my opinion some are overstated by the reviewer, such as the fall of Istanbul, Jerry Brotton never wrote that it “fell” on 28 May 1453, he wrote that it was captured that day which it was, it officially fell the NEXT DAY on 29, May. Factual errors don’t make a book fiction, a gross accusation coming from someone who hasn’t even read the book and also one that even this harsh reviewer didn’t use.
Nonetheless, fine don’t read it, there are others who have highlighted the very same thesis, read Lisa Jardine’s book “Worldly Goods, A New History of the Renaissance” or her other works such as “Global Interests:Renaissance.” If you have a problem with scholarship you will have one with her. Or read some of the scholars that the reviewer of the very same article you linked recommended, Deobrah Howard, and Julian Raby. For instance take a look at Deborah Howard’s, “Venice and the East: The Impact of the Islamic World on Venetian Architecture.”
The fact is, and these erudite scholars of the renaissance proclaim, the renaissance would not have occurred if it weren’t for the cross-fertilization and exchange between the Muslim world and Europe. Europe would still be using Roman numerals, would have lost the translations of the Greek philosophers, the art which was so central to the renaissance would not be what it is today. This is not to deny the ingenuity of indigenous Europe and its creativity but it challenges the conservative, Eurocentric idea that all the Renaissance happened because of some Italian artisans and merchants.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:16 pm
“To clarify: I do not support Hezbollah, nor did I even support them in the Israel-Lebanon war.”
I didn’t say that you did I was talking about Ustadh.
“You defended yourself by saying that it was Bachir Gemayel who came up with the term “Dhimmitude.” You have now taken yourself out of the frying pan and into the fire. At least Bat Ye’or hasn’t actually killed anyone. Bachir Gemayel was a war criminal.”
I know and I didn’t pick it up from jihad watch or bat ye or, I’ve seen the word on quite a few pro-Islam websites.
October 4th, 2009 at 9:59 pm
“-Muslims have never contributed anything to humanity.”
I didn’t say that, it’s just that the contribution are dwarfed by Asian and European achievements. And like I posted before so many ‘muslim’ contributions aren’t muslim in origin, ‘arabic’ numerals for example came from India.
“Those Muslims who did, no matter if they self-identified as Muslims, are according to you, a non-Muslim trying to speak on their behalf, ‘Muslims’ only in name.”
I pointed how great Arab thinkers such as Al-Razi (a rationalist) were very much heretics, his writings on the falsity of prophets were widely condemned and yet today apologists try to credit his genius to islam.
“Muslims, spurred by their religion have within them an ingrained anti-Semitism no matter how many times they denounce it. They can’t be trusted because, again, they’re Muslims and probably lying, you can’t trust what a Muslim says.”
Where on Earth did I say that?
“Muslims have been worse persecutors of Jews and other minorities than Europe where over 6 million Jews were killed in the holocaust by Europeans.”
First off you’re equating Europe in general to Nazi Germany, a relatively brief point in European history, by that logic you should also equate the middle east to the period of the Armenian, Greek and Assyrian genocides. Second I didn’t say that muslims were the worst I pointed out that there were European nations that were very tolerant of Jews something I’ve explained so many times to you.
And third Europe produced the abolitionist movement (Poland outlawed the practice as early as the 15th century) and the British empire actually fought against slavery. On the other hand slavery has flourished in the muslim world (Saudi Arabia had it until the 1960s) and only began to be outlawed due to pressure exerted by European nations such as Britain and France. To quote wikipedia:
“Unlike Western societies which in their opposition to slavery spawned anti-slavery movements whose numbers and enthusiasm often grew out of church groups, no such grass-roots organizations ever developed in Muslim societies. In Muslim politics the state unquestioningly accepted the teachings of Islam and applied them as law. Islam, by sanctioning slavery – however mild a form it generally took – also extended legitimacy to the nefarious traffic in slaves.”
“Worse than a Europe that created the ghetto, the pogroms, the blood libels, the protocols of Zion which were previously unknown to the Muslim world.”
The muslim world just had a different form of anti-semitism.
“Muslims are Nazis and were a central part of the Third Reich.”
I didn’t say I simply pointed out that there is a connection for example the nazis had a hand in the creation of the muslim brotherhood, if I’m a bigot for stating that then where’s your condemnation of the poster who tried to make the ludicrous claim that the Nazis were a Christian movement?
“Maimonides hated Islam even though he sought sanctuary with Salahadin, the liberator of Palestine from the Crusaders and sung his praises.”
Maimonides’ family were forced out of their homes by muslims so I find it hard to believe he loved the religion and yes he sung his praises but most likely because Salahadin paid him very well. Let’s pretend I have a boss who’s a scientologist I don’t like his beliefs but he’s a good guy and pays me well so I tell everyone he’s a great boss, does that mean I think scientology is great? Of course not.
“The Crusades were defensive, even though they were undertaken unprovoked by Muslims. The Pope declared “go to the land of Milk and Honey and rescue it from the pagans” and it was defensive.”
Wrong, the First Crusade was called by Pope Urban II in 1095 in response to an urgent plea for help from the Byzantine emperor in Constantinople.
“Paint any criticism of Israel as anti-Semitism.”
What you posted wasn’t sane criticism of Israel, it was support of anti-semitic terrorist organization. How is that not anti-semitism? Also you paint any criticism of islam as ‘islamophobia’ see how silly that complaint of yours is?
” All of them spring from your insipid hatred for Muslims, and all are the clear traits of an Islamophobe.”
Somebody who supports terrorism is no position to lecture me on hatred.
October 4th, 2009 at 11:14 pm
“Firstly, you still don’t seem to get it. Al-Khwarizimi, yes, a Muslim to your disbelief is considered to be the founder of Algebra. Algebra it self comes from the Arabic word “Al-Jabr” one of the names of Allah. You have a peculiar way of thinking about knowledge. You imply that all that is to be known about a subject is learned, known at the moment of its inception or as you ridiculously state “invented.” Knowledge is a field which is learned and advanced over time, algebra had an incredibly long gestation period. You honestly think the “algebra” of the Babylonians is what we know today? You state correctly that the first known society to use zero were the Indians, something that the Babylonians didn’t have. Babylonians failed to develop symbols to express their craft, it took the work of Diophantus and especially Al-Khwarizimi who helped form what we know as abstract algebra. His book “Al-Jabr wa Muqabala” is what laid the ground work for what we know as modern Algebra.”
I didn’t say that muslims didn’t develop Algebra, I was pointing out that it wasn’t created by muslims, savy? Like I said, civilization owes more to Asia and Europe
“On the issue of the Renaissance Bazaar, I know you don’t want to read it because it challenges you.”
As the review pointed it’s loaded with errors.
“The ones who view it as revisionist are those Eurocentric scholars that have been peddling the same or a variation on the same theory of Burkhardt (originator of the Eurocentric view of the renaissance) who even the reviewer of this book agreed “didn’t get everything right.”
Oh I see everyone who disagree with you is ‘eurocentric’? How laughable and I’m not Eurocentric since I’ve praised Asian acheivements.
“The factual errors are just that, most are very minor and in my opinion some are overstated by the reviewer, such as the fall of Istanbul, Jerry Brotton never wrote that it “fell” on 28 May 1453, he wrote that it was captured that day which it was, it officially fell the NEXT DAY on 29, May.”
Thinking that Arabic and Persian are the same language isn’t a ‘minor’ error and you opinion isn’t worth much since you support hezbollah.
“Factual errors don’t make a book fiction, a gross accusation coming from someone who hasn’t even read the book and also one that even this harsh reviewer didn’t use.”
So the reviewer doesn’t know what he’s talking about?
“For instance take a look at Deborah Howard’s, “Venice and the East: The Impact of the Islamic World on Venetian Architecture.”
Actually ‘islamic’ architecture isn’t islamic origin, much of it was ‘borrowed’ from Persian culture after the islamic conquest of Persia not to mention it was influenced by Byzantine and Egyptian architecture.
“the renaissance would not have occurred if it weren’t for the cross-fertilization and exchange between the Muslim world and Europe.”
What nonsense, it still would have happened because of the Renaissance thinkers who sought out texts from European monastic libraries and the Byzantine empire.
“Europe would still be using Roman numerals”
Hindu Indians created ‘arabic’ numerals not Muslims, they only fell into Arab hands because of muslim conquests.
“would have lost the translations of the Greek philosophers”
Wrong, Latin and Greek texts were in European monastic libraries and the Byzantine Empire, not to mention the sheer amount of texts preserved by Irish people.
“the art which was so central to the renaissance would not be what it is today.”
How could islamic art have influenced Renaissance art when Islamic art has focused on the depiction of patterns and Arabic calligraphy, rather than on human figures?
“This is not to deny the ingenuity of indigenous Europe and its creativity but it challenges the conservative, Eurocentric idea that all the Renaissance happened because of some Italian artisans and merchants.”
You’re partly right, the Renaissance did have non-european influences but they weren’t muslim influences, they were Asian.
“What is certain, however, is that that printing with movable wooden type is documented from the eleventh century; that printing with movable metal type had been an active enterprise in Korea since 1234; that other printing technologies had Asian origins and were subsequently transmitted to the West; that a single empire (the Mongol khanates) stretched from Korea to Europe through much of the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, facilitating cross-cultural exchange across a large region; that there was considerable East-West travel, contact, and exchange during this period; that the written record of such contacts records only a fraction of what actually occurred; and that there was awareness of Asian printing in Europe in the centuries before Gutenberg.
For all these reasons it is likely that Europe’s print revolution did not occur independently but was influenced or inspired by similar printing in Asia.”
http://www.rightreading.com/printing/gutenberg.asia/gutenberg-asia-1-introduction.htm
October 5th, 2009 at 9:53 am
Muslim contributuon to humanity – here is just one reference: http://www.muslimheritage.com
October 20th, 2009 at 1:20 am
It’s obvious ol’ Barry’s been too busy rewriting history in his head.
October 24th, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Barry Lyndon
Maimonides was forced out by the extremist Islamic sect Al Mohads who also killed Muslims. They were defeated and Maimonides came back when Saladin invited him.
Maimonides took the Islamic codification and applied to Judaism. After Moses, Maimonides had the greatest influence upon Judaism.
You are very ignorant. Islamic codification was taked by the Jews, so it’s right to say, after Moses, Islam influneced Judaism the most. here are some links for you to check
The Influence of Islamic Thought on Maimonides
http://plato.stanford.edu/entries/maimonides-islamic/
First published Thu Jun 30, 2005; substantive revision Thu Jul 14, 2005
This essay sets out to understand Maimonides in the context of his Islamic
philosophical milieu, and in particular, in the context of the works of
three of the most well-known Islamic thinkers, al-Farabi (ca. 870-950),
Avicenna (Ibn Sina) (980-1037) and Averroes (Ibn Rushd) (1126-1198). A few
points about this selection. We will here focus on al-Farabi, Avicenna and
Averroes since their works are arguably best known among general readers,
and are, as such, the best context in which to put Maimonides into dialogue with a number of well-known Islamic philosophical ideas. This said, it should be noted that (a) while we know that Maimonides held a great respect for the writings of Averroes,[1] these works were most likely unknown to Maimonides until after the completion of his Guide,[2] and so cannot be thought of as having exerted influence on that work, (b) while Avicennian notions can certainly be found in Maimonides, we know too (from a letter to Ibn Tibbon) that Maimonides views Avicenna’s philosophy as of lesser value than al-Farabi’s,[3] and (c) there are, of course, other Islamic writers whose works are known to have influenced Maimonides (notably al-Ghazali (d. 1111)[4] and Ibn Bajja (d. 1138)[5]). Given Maimonides’ own self-avowed interest in al-Farabi and the influence of the latter on his thought, we will focus more on al-Farabi than on Avicenna and Averroes (keeping in mind too, of course, that al-Farabi, as the earliest of these thinkers, exerted influence on many of the ideas in Avicenna, Averroes, and other Islamic philosophers as well).
and
http://www.csulb.edu/~dsteiger/maimonides.htm
Maimonides, Moreh Nevukhim, III: 27
Maimonides refused to earn his living as a Rabbi and decided to learn most
probably medicine by reading Arabic translations of texts by Hippocrates,
Galen as well as Arabic works of Muhammad b. Zakariyyâ’ al-Râzî, Avenzoar
(Ibn Zuhr), and Avicenna (Ibn Sînâ).
During that time Maimonides, influenced by Islamic philosophical tradition, decided to consider the difficult problem of reconciling faith (îmân) and intellect (‘aql).
Maimonides integrated many Islamic philosophical concepts into his Jewish
philosophy.
His three most important works are: his commentary on the Mishnah (in
Hebrew), the Mishneh Torah (in Arabic initially and translated in Hebrew
later) and the Guide (in Arabic). The Mishneh Torah was written for the
common people, who do not see contradictions between philosophy and
religion; its aim was to explain how to live in accordance with the Jewish
Law. The Guide addressed itself to an intellectual elite which was perplexed about religion; its aim was to bring those belonging to it back to Judaism
October 24th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
Barry Lyndon,
Please go and enrol in a history class. You will learn that Islam is the religion that benefitted humanity the most (due to the Quran). I will give you a few links to check as you are only reading Islamophobic lies. Those who say otherwise are usually Islamophobes desperate to paint Islam in a bad light so that they can whip up support for their anti Islamic agenda, just because the Muslim countries don’t recognise Israel.
All of the below are famed historians, Learn from scholars you idiot
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R. Briffault: The Making of Humanity.
“The Miracle of Arabic science, using the word miracle as a symbol of our
inability to explain achievements which were almost incredible…
unparalleled in the history of the world.”
“There is not a single aspect of European growth in which the decisive
influence of Islamic civilization is not traceable”
“It is highly probable that but for the Arabs modern European civilisation
would never have arisen at all; it is absolutely certain that but for them,
it would not have assumed that character which has enabled it to transcend
all previous phases of evolution.”
George Sarton
It was during the period of high Muslim apogee: 8th-13th centuries that most decisive scientific inventions were made, and the foundations of modern civilisation were laid, scientists and scientific discoveries in their thousands, artistic creativity, great architecture, huge libraries,
hospitals, universities, mapping of the world, the discovery of the sky and
its secrets, and much more.
The noted French historian, Gustave Ie Bon, writes of the Arab contribution
to Modern Europe:
Observation, experimentation and inductive logic which form the
fundamentals of modern knowledge are attributed to Roger Bacon but it needs
to be acknowledged that this process of reasoning was entirely an Arab
discovery.
H. G. Wells says in his book Milestones in Human History:
“They advanced in medicine far beyond the Greeks, they studied science and
the functions of various parts of the body, and preventative medicine. Many
of the treatment methods that they used are still used by us until today.
They used anaesthetics for their operations and they used to perform some of the most difficult surgeries that are known. “
“Every religion that is not suited to civilization should be rejected. I
have not found any religion that is suited to civilization except Islam. “
———
Bertrand Russel in ‘History of Western Philosophy,’ London, 1948, p. 419.
“From India to Spain, the brilliant civilization of Islam flourished. What
was lost to christendom at this time was not lost to civilization, but quitethe contrary…
“To us it seems that West-European civilization is civilization, but this isa narrow view.”
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Phillip Hitti in ‘Short History of the Arabs.’
“During all the first part of the Middle Ages, no other people made as
important a contribution to human progress as did the Arabs, if we take this term to mean all those whose mother-tongue was Arabic, and not merely those living in the Arabian peninsula. For centuries, Arabic was the language of learning, culture and intellectual progress for the whole of the civilized world with the exception of the Far East. From the IXth to the XIIth century there were more philosophical, medical, historical, religiuos, astronomical and geographical works written in Arabic than in any other human tongue.”
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When Dwight D. Eisenhower dedicated the Islamic Center in Washington, D.C.,
in June 1957, his 500-word talk effused good will (“Civilization owes to theIslamic world some of its most important tools and achievements”)
How Islam has kept us out of the ‘Dark Ages’
http://www.channel4.com/science/microsites/S/science/society/islamicscience.html
Timeline of Islamic science and technology
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Islamic_science_and_technology
List of Muslim scientists and philosophers
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Muslim_scientists_and_philosophers
October 24th, 2009 at 1:37 pm
Barry Lyndon are you Pamela Geller or Bat Yeor or Roert Spencer? Be honest in your reply please
You said
“I didn’t say that muslims didn’t develop Algebra, I was pointing out that it wasn’t created by muslims, savy? Like I said, civilization owes more to Asia and Europe”
Sorry, you are in total denial. Even asia and the europeans won’t agree with you there. (see scholarly links below) And yes MUSLIMS ARE/WERE GREAT BECAUSE OF THE GIFT OF THE QURAN. Science and quran are related (see what scientiests below say) ISLAM is GREAT DUE TO THE QURAN AND THE BLESSING GOD GAVE THE PROPHET. That is why Mohammed is the most influential man in history.
The two verses from the Quran below is God telling us we would be the impacting humanity like no other people would, and the third is a Hadeeth (oral law). History has proven the below to be true. (see article below and follow the links to learn how Islamic success is direct from Quran And Prophet.)
Quran (Al-Baqarah 2:143) “Thus We (God) have made you a just nation, that (with the example of your lives) you be witnesses before all mankind.”
Quran (Al ‘Imraan 3:110) “You are the best of people ever raised up for mankind; .”
Hadeeth – Volume 9, Book 87, Number 127: Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said:
The Keys to the treasures of the world were given to me. And after me my people (Ummah) will carry those treasures from place to place.
Distinguishing between Islam and Islamism
By Dr Daniel Pipes
http://www.danielpipes.org/954/distinguishing-between-islam-and-islamism
Regarding Islam, one must begin with an understanding of the deep and abiding appeal of traditional Islam, a religion which today has close to a billion adherents. Their loyalty to Islam is quite amazing: Muslims almost never leave their faith in favor of another one. What one scholar, Patricia Crone calls “the world of men and their families,” is intensely appealing. Similarly, Ayatollah Mohammed Imami Kashani of Iran has said that “Any Westerner who really understands Islam will envy the lives of Muslims.”
I, myself, took lessons in Cairo years ago with Sheikh Ahmad Hasan al-Baquri and through the course of those studies had some direct understanding of the accumulated wisdom, logic, and appeal of the religion.
But the problems that we must address began 200 years ago, minus one day. The religion of Islam is essentially a religion of success; it is a winners’ religion.
The prophet Muhammad fled the city of Mecca in A.D. 622. By 630, only eight years later, he was back in Mecca, now as ruler. The Muslims began as an obscure group in Arabia and within a century ruled a territory from Spain to India. In the year 1000, say, Islam was on top no matter what index of worldly success one looks at — health, wealth, literacy, culture, power. This association became customary and assumed: to be a Muslim, was to a favorite of God, a winner.
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How Islamic inventors changed the world
From coffee to cheques and the three-course meal, the Muslim world has given us many innovations that we take for granted in daily life. As a new exhibition opens, Paul Vallely nominates 20 of the most influential- and
identifies the men of genius behind them http://news.independent.co.uk/world/science_technology/article350594.ece
The Qur’an, Knowledge, and Science
http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/quran/scislam.html
——————–
“O Mankind! There has come to you from your Guardian-Lord an exhortation, a prescription for the minds, a guidance and beneficence for those who believe” [10:57].
The Quranic Teachings
http://quranicteachings.co.uk/science.htm
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http://www.witness-pioneer.org/vil/Books/MB_BQS/default.htm
The Bible, The Qur’an and Science
by Dr. Maurice Bucaille
————
EXPLORING THE SCIENTIFIC MIRACLE
OF THE HOLY QUR’AN
http://www.scienceinquran.com/
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Miracles in the Quran
http://www.quranmiracles.com/
The French philosopher Gustave le Bon stated in his book The Civilization of the Arabs:
“We must bear in mind that the Arabs and the Arabs alone are the ones who guided us to the ancient world of the Greeks and Romans. The Islamic civilization was one of the most amazing that history has ever known. “
—————–
The German Orientalist Sigrid Hoeneker ” The Sun of Allaah is Rising in the West”, concerning the spread of libraries in the Arab
and Muslim world:
“ The libraries grew in every place like plants in good soil. Translators and writers also gathered in halls that were set aside especially for them, discussing and debating as happens nowadays at academic
conferences of the highest level. “
—————–
Carra de Vaux in ‘The Philosophers of Islam,’ Paris, 1921.
“Finally how can one forget that at the same time the Mogul Empire of India (1526-1857 C.E.) was giving the world the Taj Mahal (completed in 1648 C.E.)
…The men whose genius finds its expression in this book were far in advance of their age in the practical art of government, and they were perhaps in advance of it in their speculations about religious philosophy. the principles of tolerance, justice and humanity which prevailed during the long reign of Akbar.”
October 25th, 2009 at 11:52 am
Also here’s what a prominent scholar thinks:
“Professor Geoffrey Sampson, who published the article There’s nothing wrong with racism, was, earlier this week, forced to resign his seat on Wealden district council in East Sussex, where he had been a Conservative member.
In his article, the natural science processing professor described multiculturalism as “wicked madness”, said racism was “natural” and claimed black people were “less bright” than whites.”
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2002/may/17/raceineducation.race
By your ‘logic’ you should agree with him, after all he’s an expert, a scholar!
October 28th, 2009 at 6:26 am
Am I the only one who think Pam looks kinda biracial, herself?
October 31st, 2009 at 10:07 am
I can’t tell if Pammy really cares about Muslim women or not. She disrespects them for wearing hijab and uses their position in some Muslim countries (example: women not being allowed to drive in Saudi) to push her OWN agenda of bigotry against Muslims in general. She also claims that these conditions will prevail if too many Muslims reach American shores. Again, just scare-mongering “Chicken Little” tactics. Bostom and Spencer are no better.
I sent Pamela NUMEROUS requests to join or at least post on a campaign to get a young girl in Iran out of Evin Prison (Nazanin had fought back against her would-be rapists to protect herself and her 14 year old cousin; this was while walking to the GROCERY store in Tehran. Nazanin was carrying a knife (an interesting reveal into life in Tehran) and one of the attackers later died of his wounds.
The campaign grew and grew on MySpace and on the web site organized for it, but Pamela wouldn’t even run a story on this, despite her supposed championing of Muslim Women’s Rights. Nazanin was slated for execution and was underage and had already had a heart attack in Evin, one of the most notorious prisons in the world known for it’s brutality and body count. Pamela could’ve really helped with the kind of traffic she gets on her blog. In the end it didn’t matter, Nazanin got enough worldwide attention that she was freed and her sentence dropped.
Meanwhile, Pamela was starting to rev up a campaign with Toad Spencer to erect a headstone for Aqsa Parvez (who was killed by family apparently) against the family’s wishes. Hell, if I were Muslim I wouldn’t accept help from Geller or Spencer either! Pu-LEEEEZE! That campaign, however, is still going (right sidebar on AS) via a grove in Israel (???) a resolution proposal and a fund drive that must have brought in big bucks. I guess as a non-profit they had to spend that money as they have, but still. There are PLENTY of human rights groups that any high traffic bloggers could be helping, but you never hear about human rights abuses that you can sign on to help out about at AS, just examples pulled out to make her bigoted points.
November 2nd, 2009 at 10:02 pm
NOOR ALMALEKI IS DEAD
November 5th, 2009 at 6:01 pm
She is freaking Ugly, after spending all that money on plastic surgery she is still nasty. I think Michael Jackson looked better than her.
November 6th, 2009 at 8:14 pm
She’s so evil. Unreal type of evil, like an exaggerated type of evil for amusment, like a Disney bad guy; Ursula? Jafar? Gastone? Maybe in her case all 3 of them in one?
November 9th, 2009 at 5:17 pm
I am of Asian decent. I am sick and tired of proponents of the “Diversity Doctrine” The doctrine are only useful to the whites who are patting themselves on their own back screaming” I am whiter than white”. Useful to the non whites whole love to pull out the race card for their own weakness and failure. They feel fuzzy when they are patted on their heard and will rear up on their hind legs begging for “food”. When one fails there is no one to blame but their lazy self. I pay tax and do not use any medicare services, dental services ect. All that is poison to my blood and to my children. I PAY THEM with my HARD EARNED money myself. We need more decent people like Pamela Geller. She is helping society. The Diversity Doctors are making society weak aka “limp wrist” across the board. We ALL need to pay taxes so that we ALL WILL PAY less taxes. I am strong and so will my children and theirs. That is what it is because we integrate, assimilate. We practice strong and conservative family values and freedom we hold dear too. Yes we read and write “engrish” We say Shape up or Ship out. That means integrate or go back to where you came from or where you think you love to go to! CALL A SPADE A SPADE.
November 12th, 2009 at 1:25 pm
Boh C T, we have no way of corroborating what you say about who you are, for all we know you could be Pam Geller, but even if you were Asian you would seem to fit into the ranks of self haters such as Michelle Malkin, an idol in the right wing and proponent of internment camps.
I have no respect for anyone who thinks that Pamela Geller is decent. She is an evil, deceptive, lying proselytizer for bigotry and right wing extremism. Her rise as a popular blogger for the right is a signal of the death of the sanity and the decline of the “grand ole’ party.” Soon enough it will be replaced by those who wish to succeed from the Union.
November 14th, 2009 at 1:27 am
I think Pamela is probably the best racist out there. Three cheers for Pamela and thank you to all her racist defenders for coming over here and sticking up for racism!
November 17th, 2009 at 2:27 am
This woman must be crazy, if she went up to Malcolm and told him that he had an affair with a white woman he would’ve knocked her out.
Her claim sounds like one of the most absurd things I have ever heard.
November 19th, 2009 at 5:06 pm
This is a great piece. Thank you. Geller is certifiable no doubt, though I really don’t know if she believes this stuff or she is making a buck.
PB has a nice one on this: http://www.plunderbund.com/2009/11/17/pam-geller-does-not-deserve-my-respect/
“Pam Geller and her pals are horrible human beings who spread hate and lies while pretending to care about the civil and religious rights of Rifqa Bary merely because she happens to be from a Muslim family. Geller and crew have absolutely no limits and will say and do whatever they think is necessary to force their culture of intolerance on the rest of us.”
November 19th, 2009 at 5:40 pm
Robert24
Pamela is not a racist she is a bigot,
Bigotry is differnt to racism.
Racism = hatred and intolerance of a race
bigotry = hatred and intolerance of a religion.
she is anti Muslim, Muslims are a religious group, of all skin colours, also Geller has black and chinese and other non white friends, Brigette Gabriel one of her ex buddies is not the same race as Pamela, and Pamela is not white herself.
I note a lot of people confuse racism with bigotry, the two are completely different things.
Also from a legal standpoint in the USA, Racism is illegal, bigotry is not illegal, until laws come into place that make religious intolerance unnacceptable.
In Canada bigotry is a crime, in the USA it is not.
If Pamela, and the rest of these loons were in Canada, they could be prosecuted under the hate bill legislaton there, where bigotry is a crime.
November 23rd, 2009 at 12:34 pm
I think you are just jealous that Pamella knows more then you do. She is also well known for her honesty. She is a major blogger unlike you. No one reads this little site but the same 8 people. I found this because I Google Pamela Geller,hoping to read some more stuff she wrote. Not this hate speech of yours. Get a life and wake up to the real world.
Islam is evil and I hope you never have to find that out the hard way. Why don’t you do some research on Islam and on Obama. Stop being so blind to the facts about Obama. The rabbit hole goes very deep. I have been down this rabbit hole for a few years now and I still can not see the whole thing.
Robert Spencer, Pamela Geller, Dr Bostom Frank Gaffney and the list go on are professionals in the rabbit hole.
November 23rd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
KoolMoom, you aren’t cool? You sound like a child as well.
Testimony to the fact that this site is popular this, piece has 80 comments. Geller is a nut, and you are a nut for believing what she says.
You are evil.
November 23rd, 2009 at 2:59 pm
Koolmom, drank the KOOLaid.
November 25th, 2009 at 4:52 pm
Thank you LoonWatch!
This is one of the first pieces that comes up when you search for Pammy! Ha.
“Looniest blogger ever,” is kind of like Olbermann’s “Worst person in the world!” Nice
November 29th, 2009 at 10:42 am
Seducer,
Just because Pamela “has some black friends” doesn’t mean she isn’t a racist. She thinks her black friends are better than most black people because their shared bigotry (i.e., Their hatred of Muslims like Pamela does) makes her like them. Strom Thurmond had a black daughter who says he was always very loving to her even as he was the #1 racist in Congress.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:20 am
Robert
I agree with you,
However, from what i’ve read of her posts, she isn’t a racist. Definateey an Islamophobe;
You need to remember one thing, that the prime reason these Islamophobes are what they are, and why the blame Islam is for a simple reason. That the Muslim countries dont recognise Israel.
The Palestinian Israeli struggle is over land, Arafats top brass was Christian, Sami Kuntar is a Druze, and Sabeel, is a Christian organisation. However, the reaosn they only target Islam and want to convince Americans it’s their enemy too, is because Muslim countries reject Israel.
I’m not saying that the Muslim countries are necessarily right, i’m just explaining why they are primarily Islamophobes.
Of course, we have a problem, with extremists at the moment i don’t deny that either, but that suits them, as they can use them for their own agenda to say
“see , we told you so”
It gives them an excuse to continue the occupation. Netanyahu is on record for saying that 9/11 was a godsend for Israel.
Right Wing Zionists don’t want the Palestinians to have a state. because that goes against US, UK, EU, UN and nearly all Arab states foreign policies, they have to look for an excuse to contine the occupation, and rid the land of Palestinians.
Not all Israeli’s of course, nor Jews support this, but the right wing, and certainly the extreme right wing are an insiduous cult, that needs to be capped at the root.
So it’s a lot of issues mixed up. It isn’t just 9/11, though that was used by them to bring aobut the Iraq war.
It doesn’t help that our own extremists play into their hands either.
November 29th, 2009 at 11:21 am
Robert, by the way i’m “Seduced”
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:48 am
(Found my way here while doing a search for her blog, which I don’t have bookmarked but should.)
Loony? Because she tells the truth about the violent teachings of Islam? Hilarious! She’s fearless and she will continue telling that truth, as will I, and many other people.
I will not submit!
December 5th, 2009 at 2:53 am
Mo
You are plainly a wacko if you take Pammycakes seriously. I also don’t believe your fake story that you just learned about her, you are probably one of her groveling middle age cult followers, thankfully a small group.
December 6th, 2009 at 2:54 am
This woman is heinous. In fact, she gives a bad name to women all over the world. It’s no surprise that Hannity and company regularly trot out a wacko such as her.
December 8th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Lex,
Pamela doesn’t care about Muslim women. That is a fact.
December 12th, 2009 at 10:51 pm
Keep up the excellent work on this site, I just learned about it while searching for “Pamela Geller” who I saw on Hannity and Friends. The woman is plain bonkers.
KB
December 12th, 2009 at 10:53 pm
One more thing, you guys should mention how this woman is a shill for Zionist propaganda. Her language is pretty much an incitement to murder.
KB
December 14th, 2009 at 11:51 pm
Pamela is into making money. I used to read her blog before, I didn’t believe everything she said, but she was entertaining at some point but she has swerved into an extremely delusional direction. I stopped reading her stuff a few years ago.
December 17th, 2009 at 8:06 pm
Nabeela/Seducer:
I don’t deny that Pamela Geller is a religious bigot. I stand firm by my claim that she’s also a racist. She hates Arabs and she hates black people who don’t go along with her 110% in hating Arabs and Muslims. I’ve been reading her BLOG for years now and it’s just sick, vile stuff.
And the real reason Islamophobes hate has nothing to do with Israel. In fact, most of them (including Pamela Geller, who hates all Jews who don’t go along with her 110% in hating Arabs and Muslims) hate Jews almost as much as they hate Muslims. They are bitter, hatefull, heartless people. That’s their problem. Don’t wrap their disgusting offal in the pages of “Foreign Affairs”.
December 18th, 2009 at 3:36 am
Robert,
Well I havn’t read Geller’s blog for years like you have, so you’re probably right. The thing is, if you are a racist or bigot, it’s easy to switich to being another. Or to exchange one bigotry with another. Most of the poeple who support the right wing Zionists are jew haters who have exchanged one bigotry for another. Orianni Fallaci is one such person that Geller embraces.
Geller and her ilk, laud Orianni Fallaci, who was anti-Islam. But Falacci was also an anti-semite, then came 9/11 and she switched to being an Islamophobe instead, and allied herself with Israel, the obligatory step that Islamophobes take even though they don’t like Jews or they pretend to do so as a show of support.
Falacci exchanged one bigotry for another, but of course that doesn’t bother someone with Geller’s morals, as long as they bash Islam, never mind.
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Oriana_Fallaci
“I am angry at the Jews for many things… If you want to take the example of America, how they hold the power, the economical power in so many ways, and the press and the other kind of stuff… I never realized how it happened and they came to control the media to that point. Why?
Playboy magazine, 1981 interview [1] [2]
More hypocricy? You say you’ve seen instances of racism against black people from Geller, but she is openly lauding and supporting the black candidate for office, Allen West, because of his Dominionist beliefs? Loon Watch put up an article a few days ago.
That proves what a low down opportunistic piece of trash she is. I was going to say, I wonder if Allen West even knows what she stands for, but he is no better himself, and like her, will ignore her own racism for support for office.
December 23rd, 2009 at 11:35 pm
Nabeela,
Thanks for those links about the now dead Fallaci. It is truly remarkable how she could utter such things and then just because she switched to a pro right wing Israeli stance and disavowed her past racism she is accepted.
This shows hypocrisy, because if any person made anti-Semitic remarks in the past and then disavowed them but still criticized Israeli policy they would continuously be crucified.
December 24th, 2009 at 5:36 pm
Emperor yes, then Falacci would have been labelled a Jim Carter like anti-semite. Fallaci was an atheist, and she was against the meat slaughter (Kosher) which is the same as Islam. She vocalised against that, before she became an Islamophobe. I don’t hold her atheism against her, nor that she found the slaughter that we do (Halal, Kosher etc.) repugnant, because atheists and agnostics do find these practices unnecessary.
One of the reasons Geert Wilders (groomed in Israel where has been 42 times) was lauded by Geller and her ilk, is that unlike most EUro far righters, he supported Israel and expressed support for “Judeo Christian” values, which Europeans reject anyway.
I think it was Isi Liebler the Israeli Likud Jerusalem Post journalist, who once talked about the anti semitism of the so called “philo semites”, he came to the conclusion that “they are no more anti semite than the mainstream community of Christians”. In other words, at least the support is there, the anti-semitism will be there anyway, which is true. Well at least he was honest you could say. Others just pretend that there is a bond rather than a relation of convenience.
In the case of Falacci, had she moved to America, she would have been a David Duke or KKK type character, always talking of jewish power and how it corrupts. She only found a bigger bogeyman..and did you know that Walid Shoebat a so called supporter of Israel, (as claimed by American neocons) has been refused a visa to visit Israel. He was exposed as a fraud by the Jeruslam Post, no less. he’s Christian, not Muslim, his mother was Chrisitian, yet Geller lauds him.
You know i can’t help thinking in a perverse way, it makes you feel good, if you know that the forces of evil have to unite for the wrong reasons even thgouth they don’t like each other…there must be something strong and powerful, …LOL
by the way, did you know this is the most commented article on Loon Watch, Pamela Geller has that dubious honour, the awful woman. I heard that her ex husband was arrested for murder?
December 30th, 2009 at 11:36 am
It’s amazing that apart from Barry Lyndon most people commmenting here are loons.
As per Islam’s tradition of “tolerance”, I suggest that people here read Maimonades ‘Epistle to the Yemeni Jews’, a work in which he descfribes in great detail the oppression and intolerance Jews ( and Christians) in Muslim lands were forced to endure. Islam’s scientific and mathematical claims are also the subject of much contention. Were Islam so inclined towards academic achievements and intellectual persuits, one wonders why the Islamic world lags far behind the rest of humanity in EVERY LAST FIELD OF HUMAN scientific and technological endevour. When one begins to examine islam’s intellectual claims a little closer, one soon discovers that there is often no “there” there. The intellectual property of other cultures, intellectual properties such as “arabic” numerals, were simply appropriated and retrofitted with an arabo/islamic identity they never had. The incredible intellectual stagnation that characterises the Islamic world is, apart from a few isolated inventions, just about all there ever was.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:07 pm
sauder
You are the prize loon and ignoramus here.
“As per Islam’s tradition of “tolerance”, I suggest that people here read Maimonades ‘Epistle to the Yemeni Jews’, a work in which he descfribes in great detail the oppression and intolerance Jews ( and Christians) in Muslim lands ”
You really need to read your history, stupid moron. That Epistle was describing a Jewish convert. I don’t believe you read it, or you would know it was written in response to a Jewish false messiah. In the epistle to Yemem, the Rambam made clear that his beliefs were not shared by Muslims, though he was calling himself a Muslim and a Messiah. Rambam referred to him as a “meshuga”.
isn’t it ironic that all Islamophobes never bring sources, you’re too ashamed to say you use history revisers and liars, bigots like yourself, who never grace the halls of learning, are not scholars, and have no importance outside the loon crowd.
Maimonides fled because he lived during one of the few times in Islamic history when an extremist sect took control (al mohad’s). They didn’t just make life difficult for non muslims, but also those muslims who didn’t agree with their intolerant interpretation. Maimonides fled, but he did return when Saladin invited him back. So why did he return if intolerance was the norm? SEe the Chabad website account, ive included extracts below, and hey, how come the Rambam was able to use his influence with Saladin to bring the suffering to an end if Islam is intolerant?
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epistle_to_Yemen
The Epistle to Yemen or Yemen Epistle (Hebrew: אגרת תימן, Iggeret Teman) was an important communication written by Maimonides and sent to the Yemenite Jews.
It arose because of religious persecution and heresy in 12th-century Yemen. The average Jewish population of Yemen for many centuries was very small. The Jews were scattered throughout the country, but they were successful in business and acquired books about the history of their faith.
There was a revolt against Saladin as sultan in the last quarter of the 12th century, and Shia Muslims began to persecute the Jewish faith in the Yemen at this time. At the same time, a man began preaching a syncretistic religion that combined Judaism and Islam, and claimed that the Bible had foretold his coming as a prophet.
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The Epistle Concerning Yemen
http://www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/107783/jewish/Responsa.htm
An even more famous letter by Rambam, Epistle Concerning Yemen (Iggeret Teiman), was composed as the result of similar persecutions in another Jewish community. This epistle was written in response to a query by a Yemenite sage, Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi during a period of violent persecution and religious intolerance in his country. About the year 1168, the Jews of Yemen were confronted with a three-pronged agonizing problem. A fanatical Moslem cleric became the ruler of this distant, primitive South Arabian land and decreed that his Jewish subjects convert to Islam under the threat of harsh punishment and suffering. Their agony was compounded by a Jewish apostate who embraced Mohammedanism.
To demonstrate his zeal for his newly adopted faith, he began preaching to the Jewish communities that Mohammed was a divinely sent prophet alluded to in the Bible and that Islam was a new, divinely revealed religion superseding Judaism. Hence, the apostate argued, the Jews should yield to the ruler’s demand and embrace Mohammedanism. Furthermore, at just about this time, an impostor appeared proclaiming himself to be the Messiah, adding to the confusion of the poor wretched masses. Rabbi Jacob al-Fayumi turned to Rambam for advice and counsel.
…… He contemptuously dismissed and disproved the assertion that Judaism has been supplanted by Islam and showed that the claim that Mohammed is alluded to in the Bible is based upon nonsensical interpretations recognized as such even by the Moslems themselves.
…..Rambam advised that the self-proclaimed Messiah is nothing but an impostor and no doubt a madman. He urged them to remain firm in the belief that G-d will send the true Moshiach to redeem the Jewish people from suffering in exile at the proper time.
The epistle accomplished its purpose – the Yemenite Jews remained faithful to their religion in the face of their bitter suffering. Rabbi Moshe ben Maimon used his influence at the court of Saladin in Egypt to intervene in their behalf, and the persecution came to an end.
December 30th, 2009 at 1:27 pm
Sauder
“The intellectual property of other cultures, intellectual properties such as “arabic” numerals, were simply appropriated and retrofitted with an arabo/islamic identity they never had. ”
Wow, I can see your green glow (envy) They were not just Arab, they were Persian, Indian, Afghani, Turkish, and the common bond was the religon. Islam. Omar Khayam, and Rumi were inspired by Islam to write their classics which rank amongst the greatest in history. Rumi was the most sold poet in America. That’s only one example.
You’re just envious and jealous. The facts are there for anyone to check. You try to discredit Islamic knowledge to lend credence to your envy and bigotry. Check out the website linked to my name and read the book below, meticulously researched.
By the way, a Muslim will know why this is so. It was foretold by the Prophet as proof of the divinity of the Quran. Islamophobes like to pretend otherwise because they want us to dump our religion or make it less attractive to others. Nobody buys. Islam attracts more converts than any other faith, and from the educated elite class.
Science in Islam
http://scienceislam.com/
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BBC Four Science and Islam
The Language of Science
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00gksx4
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“How Islam Created the Modern World,” written by award-winning author Mark
Graham.
http://www.amazon.com/How-Islam-Created-Modern-World/dp/1590080432/sr=8-1/qid=1157638890/ref=pd_bbs_1/102-0126589-7657723?ie=UTF8&s=books
How Islam Created the Modern World (Hardcover)
~ Mark Graham (Author)
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December 31st, 2009 at 9:51 pm
@Frank: she totally does. Must be her orange tanning lotion
Why is she wearing that shirt (LGF) if she’s such a loon?
January 8th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
I’m a huge fan of Ayn Rand’s work, and the objectivist philosophy. Free markets, and free will lead to growth and prosperity. More government and regulation leads to less growth and prosperity.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:38 am
@OstEuropa43:
I suspect that that picture was taken before Charles Johnson realized what he’d unleashed and got scared…
January 9th, 2010 at 7:59 am
Pam ,sorry atlas shrugged , can you tell me where these free merkets are ?
Then I can go out and try my free will . We only have Asda (Wallmart) where I live .
Welcome to the real world sometime.
January 9th, 2010 at 8:05 am
Whoops should read markets my poor proofreading again
January 12th, 2010 at 3:17 pm
Seductive above there, I hear you loud and clear on the bigotry not equaling racism. I also read a comment (in a horrid blog war of my own) the idiotic and worn out argument that “members of the dominant culture don’t get to complain of bigotry against them.
I (stupidly!!!) added a girl from college to my ‘friends’ after having patiently reading her blog for about a year. She’s an atheist, and not just some random atheist either (I have no problem with people who don’t believe as I do), but the shove it in your face while screaming to the world to hear insults against Christianity.
Who knows, I run a ‘watch’ blog and am used to seeing bigoted and hateful language against religion, though usually Muslim. She presented the straw that broke this camel’s back when she added something on Christmas and I figured, hey, I help Muslims stick up for their Faith, ’bout time I did the same about mine.
And Holy fruity underwear, she pulled a Pamela! Sheesh! First I was attacked on Facebook, next on her blog, then on MY blog (post now replaced because of the 105 comments bashing me). I’m not an evangelical, I don’t ask for much. Had my Muslim co-blogger done the same with this same person, he’d have been gang hugged and everyone’s favorite person. As it was, he defended me and took some abuse as well.
If all’s well that ends well, what’s with things that don’t end so well?
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:15 pm
Seducer, yes you are right.
January 26th, 2010 at 11:54 pm
The funny thing about Pamela is she is so old and ugly but thinks she is hot. Leathery looking nasty cougar…i’m just sayin
February 8th, 2010 at 4:39 pm
I think it’s all very true the only ones who hate what’s being said are the ones who Want to hide this very direct truth. I guess you people don’t hear Muslims shouting Bomb, bomb the pentagon or kill the great satin (USA) and the little satin too (Israel). How about death to the west. Lets look at the Somalis peeing and pooping in a bottle Then waiting till it ferments’ to huff it and get high or that fine chew Kat. So do we Need this type of third world crap hear? O’ wait you need these types of muslims To strap on bombs and create chaos so of course this woman should be ridiculed! And it’s all ok because your man Obama will help you get them here to get your Agenda going.
February 8th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
LB, your comment is unfortunately an utter waste of the few seconds it took me to read it and the few hours it took you to write it.
Great satin, little satin??? LOL!!
February 9th, 2010 at 7:28 am
1. Pamela is great!
2. Most of the commentators call her racist in one sentence(as someone pointed out Islam isn’t a race) but insult her in the crudest fashion in the next. Double standards are common on the left side of the fence.
3. Why don’t you try disproving her arguments instead of name-calling.
4. Overall you guys sound like school children bullying someone you don’t agree with by insulting her looks etc. If she is a “racist” then most of Pamela’s detractors in the comments section could easily be called “sexist.”
5. She reports on actual facts and events eg Muslim honour killings, terrorist actions by Jihadi’s etc. There is a Jihadi movement world wide to spread their brand of Islam and kill infidels in the process thereby becoming “Shaheeds” and going to “paradise” (according to their beliefs). These haters of anyone not an orthodox-Muslim are the real bigots not Pamela. No one has died as a consequence of her words, there have been no riots. No politicians or cartoonists have been stabbed to death because of her. No bombings have taken place. No women have been buried alive. No planes or trains have been blown up. Since 911 there have been nearly 15,000 Jihadi terrorist attacks worldwide. I suggest if you want to spread tolerance and liberal ideas you hang out on some of their websites and debate them and try to bring Jihadi’s from war to peace instead of calling Pamela “ugly” etc.
February 9th, 2010 at 10:36 am
I just heard Pam Geller on the Joy Behar show for the first time. Never heard of her actually.
When she told Ronald Reagan’s son, Ronald Reagan, Jr., he never met his father, it sort of brings into question where this person’s command of the facts are. Also, when she further said that Sara Palin did not quit as being governor, hmmmm. On the latter point, we can restate that Ms. Palin left her post of her volition before the end of the term mandated it.
As a political independent, it’s hard to take the conservative movement seriously when there is not even a basic command of the facts.
Sorry, just calling it as I see it.
February 9th, 2010 at 12:40 pm
Well even if its satan you still get the point. You cant Dispute the comments as being false or that this was actually said or being done
Because its True!
February 15th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
Having lived for several months in Saudi Arabia (in an apartment building, not a compound), and having seen first-hand how Islam is practiced there, it’s NOTHING that I want to be anywhere near.
The folks above who think Pamela is so outlandish ought to educate themselves as to what radical Islam is all about (I note that there is a lot of name-calling above; name-calling generally denotes the lack of a logical response).
This is not to condemn all Muslims, many of whom have little knowledge of the doctrines of Islam. That said, the Islam practiced by the governments of Saudi Arabia and Iran is not just a religion, but an entire religious, political, and economic system. That Islam brooks no dissent whatever.
February 17th, 2010 at 1:25 pm
I grew very drowsy from reading all the racial posts. All of you are obsessed with race. Who cares? When is it ever enough? There aren’t groups of white men scouring the streets at night looking for some unsuspecting black victim. In fact, in every facet of our civilization from business sports, medicine, politics, military, ministry, judicial, entertainment there are colored people!! By the way there are millions of colored people that make more money than I will ever see in my life. If you want to see racism just travel to some other countries that are not predominately white or just imagine yourself a white man continuously being brow beaten by hordes of politically correct zombies trying to control your tongue and thoughts. The real struggle is for the souls of men. Satan hates Jesus Christ and wants to destroy everything God loves which is people. Since Satan has no inherent power he gets his power thru politics. It’s easy really. He just gets you all to ramble on about racial issues so you are so distracted, discontent and living in such discord that he slips in to push more of his damned agenda thru in politics
February 17th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
MagnusMatt
I grew very drowsy and nearly wilted away with boredon after two sentences of your fantasy and frankly boring claims, reality is alot more entertaining.
February 21st, 2010 at 3:43 am
> Mike O:
> Having lived for several months in Saudi Arabia (in an apartment building, not a compound), and having seen first-hand how Islam is practiced there, it’s NOTHING that I want to be anywhere near.
Saudi Arabia is run by a corrupt American sponsored regime. Get a clue.
March 5th, 2010 at 10:52 pm
Smoothie,
Do you know what a “non-sequitor” is? If I were still teaching, I would use yours as an excellent example.
Passing that, how is the House of Saud an American-sponsored regime? It was established in the 1920s without assistance from the United States government.
Granting that premise (which I don’t), are you saying that the building of Christian churches or the possession of crucifixes would be allowed in Saudia Arabia if it were less friendly with the United States?
March 7th, 2010 at 5:57 pm
What gets me about her is that she obviously idealizes Ayn Rand, a non-religoius objectivist, then believes in the crudest sort of theocon claptrap.
March 7th, 2010 at 6:02 pm
As far as her attitude towards Islam goes, that is totally not racist because Islam is a religion not race. All I know is that the freedoms we cherish: like basic human rights, free speech, freedom of relgion, equality of the sexes and a secular government are 180 degees out of synch with what Islam is about. Even our so called client regimes still have Islam as top dog and sentenced a writer to death for disagreeing with the Koran. Then you look at SA or Iran, they are scum that I don’t want this country to become.
March 10th, 2010 at 10:06 am
Atlas Shrugs more Like Atlas Mugs!
March 16th, 2010 at 9:19 am
Has anyone done research about Pamela’s background? Apparently her husband was involved in some serious criminal activity and got busted. In her line of logic she should be slandering herself all over the web being married to a criminal. Also she claims that blogging brings in very little money, but check out the FEC database apparently she has plenty of money to donate to politicians. When will this ugly hag go away?
March 16th, 2010 at 9:55 am
@ Just a fan,
I looked at her campaign contributions, it is an interesting point about how she whines of having little money but is able to contribute to right-wingers. It doesn’t seem to be a very large amount but still the way she talks you would think she couldn’t give anything.
Since 2002 she has contributed a total of $7,650.
$4,600 of that was in 2008 alone.
http://query.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/qind/
She has contributed to Mike Pence an extremist Christian who believes Israel should dictate US policy:
“My love for Israel as a Bible believing Christian raised in the heartland of this country is very typical, the overwhelming majority of Americans cherish Israel, they want America to stand with Israel”
http://www.themajlis.org/2010/02/04/rep-mike-pence-israel-should-dictate-us-policy
On the issues Pence also voted against expanding hate crimes legislation to include sexual orientation and gender identity. Also because of his Bible belief.
He also voted for a ban on partial birth abortion and opposes federal funding for any abortion. Pence also voted against embryonic stem cell research. This is interesting considering, as Lex told us Pamela supports abortion and is supposedly pro-choice. She might claim that she still is but her “conservative fiscal values” make her stand against federal funding, but we all know she is a hypocrite. He also opposes a withdrawal date from Iraq which would put him into conflict with Pamela’s best buddy Spencer’s opinion.
The only thing they have in common is unquestioning support for Israel.
March 19th, 2010 at 4:23 pm
hey,thank for the links
March 23rd, 2010 at 10:54 am
@ Garibaldi
Excellent, is there a possibility of anyone doing some research into her background? For example her criminal husband and her potential acts in the matters that led to his arrest (is she an uunindicted co-conspirator)?
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 am
Here is an article describing the auto and identity theft fraud. Notice that she is co-owner of the organization, but states she did not know anything about the fraud. Sounds like an unindicted co-conspirator to me.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/regional/item_ufV1Zj9XnA9Qn0Ukjs8QJM;jsessionid=0A7AEB599EF53996CD417649FB2097C8
“His ex-wife, Pamela Geller, former associate publisher of the New York Observer and a conservative blogger, burst into tears when told her ex is under criminal investigation.
Although listed in business records as a Universal co-owner, she denied it. “I have nothing to do with this,” Geller said.”
March 23rd, 2010 at 11:59 am
Here are two Youtube videos of her husband’s car business and identity fraud scam.
UNIVERSAL AUTO WORLD LONG ISLAND NY LINKED TO MURDER OF COLLIN THOMAS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGwah2P7Xdw
Universal Auto World and Victory Toyota charged in used car scam, ID fraud, PI Bill Warner
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XJUnox07KU&feature=related
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:00 pm
For her campaign contributions go to the website below and enter her name.
http://fec.gov/finance/disclosure/norindsea.shtml
Here is an example of one of her donations.
http://images.nictusa.com/cgi-bin/fecimg/?28991480214
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:02 pm
Lastly, this quote was just too funny.
http://dennisthepeasant.typepad.com/dennis_the_peasant/2007/08/sinner-number-s.html
“A New York Post reporter once emailed me, stating that Pamela Geller was the Anna Nicole Smith of New York City journalism: She was indeed famous, but nobody was quite sure why. To be harsh about it, that criticism kind of carries over to Atlas Shrugs… because it does have a ring of truth.”
March 23rd, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Can the links above be compiled into a feature story so that Pamela Geller can be exposed for the hypocritical thief she is?
March 24th, 2010 at 7:34 am
I looked up this donation and was amused to see occupation listed as Atlas Shrugs.
er what does that involve ? what qualifications do you need ? how much do you earn. Do you have to be a hate monger ?
March 25th, 2010 at 7:17 pm
Wow, so things went even nuttier while I was away?
April 7th, 2010 at 10:17 am
Seems to me that your problem with her is that she is not on your side of the aisle. Take a look at some of the liberal loons over on DailyKos and the Huffington Post.
April 15th, 2010 at 1:04 am
maan, some of the comments… you guys really shouldn’t dwell on the past. so history is a good thing to know, but don’t start arguing about it. you guys just keep throwing things back at each other. one has this source, the other has that. i mean come on, the world’s soooo much bigger than the West and the Middle East.
so when i hear people like this Mary Louise say that pamela gellar has her head screwed on right and has all these bimbo facts etc, let me tell you something. Religion (any religion) does not create monsters. People are monsters in general. Look at the peadophilic priests! at the Muslim extremists! they act just how any primal being acts. like a goddamn monster. not because their religion condones it but because of own fallible selves cannot help it. So to ppl like Mary Louise, i advise you to pick up the Quran or Bible and read it. don’t be so easily influenced. do you want to be a sponge? sponges are the most irritating people i can think of. have a mind of your own. and omg, stop it with the honour killing. you actually think in your right mind that it is condoned? what kind of satanic religion do you think people practice? honour killings happen cuz some people are just nuts. i dare you to find me any piece of evidence that religion says you should kill your daughter if she’s been raped or whatever to keep your honour. tell me, is it religious or is it cultural? you know, i would actually enjoy watching westeners attempt to live in a third world country.
and Mike O not wanting to be anywhere near saudi arabia cuz you experienced how Islam is practiced ‘first hand’. i don’t think think you qualify for such a judgement. do you know how many countries are sprawling with people practicing Islam? have you ever been to Kelantan? a state run by the Islamic party of Malaysia. the non-muslims love it there just for the simple fact that it’s so peaceful. you may think that not having any night clubs and whatnot is so freaking backwards, but they have no complaints. that’s the insane thing. i have a non-muslim chinese friend who has the privilege of calling Kelantan his home and he wouldn’t have it run any other way. so when you say you’ve experienced Islam ‘first hand’ you are way over your head. you have absolutely no idea.
i am a muslim and i’m proud to be one because it is more than a religion that i was born into, but because it was the religion i chose. i don’t dislike pamela gellar or robert spencer because they are people with their own opinions and they RESEARCH. what i dislike is people making uninformed decisions that really sound stupid in retrospect based on what others have said. what i reaaallly dislike are sponges.
April 29th, 2010 at 10:39 am
Just look at what Sarah Palin, Ann Coulter and the likes have created. I don’t know how they can go to sleep at night knowing that they are intentionally misleading so many in to sheer insanity. what do they expect to gain with so much hatred? a best selling book on Amazon? a few million dollars? and then what … is this the legacy they want to be remembered for.
May 21st, 2010 at 7:30 pm
Question: Why should illegal aliens have to show identification when asked when the President of the United States can’t show an authentic birth certificate and has spent millions of dollars to keep this from happening?
May 26th, 2010 at 3:50 pm
Than smokeing hot non-religious muslim woman win the Miss USA beaut contest than the far rightwing Blogsphere explorse with racial hater about it. First Arab People are consider white people with alittle darker skin color. To the far right wing blogger like Schlussel all Miss America must have blonde hair, white skin and be Funnie or Eval Christian than born in america.
May 27th, 2010 at 9:27 pm
PAM GELLER IS MENTALLY MESSED UP. SHE IS PARANOID, SHE THINKS OBAMA IS A TERRORIST. I THINK SHE IS MIXING UP THE NAMES. OSAMA. SHE IS A RACIST. AND AGAINST FREEDOM OF RELIGION. I AM CATHOLIC. I BELIEVE THEY THE MOUSLIMS SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE THERE CHURCH. I DON’T BELIEVE A WHOLE RELIGION SHOULD HAVE TO SUFFER, FOR SOMETHING THAT TERRORISTS DID ON 9/11/01.
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL?, IF SOMEONE TOLD YOU, YOU CANT HAVE A CHURCH HERE, YOU ARENT ALLOWED TO WORSHIP YOUR GOD HERE. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL IF PROTESTERS STOOD OUTSIDE YOUR CHURCH NOT LETTING YOU IN, TO WORSHIP YOUR GOD. HOW WOULD YOU FEEL ??? WHAT SHALL WE DO NEXT. SHALL WE KILL THEM LIKE HITLER DID TO THE JEWS? MS. GELLER IS INSANE. DON’T RAISE HER UP TO BE A HIGH POWER. THIS COULD BE DANGEROUS. REMEMBER HITLER? SADAM?. Just a thought.
May 30th, 2010 at 6:06 pm
Is this a Muslim blog? Alhamdilelah! Subhannalah!
June 1st, 2010 at 4:02 am
Anyone know when her new book will escape ?
June 4th, 2010 at 3:31 am
damn you !!!!!!!!!! from ask you this
We live a happy life with our religion!!!!!!!! damn you ; ) damn you ; ) damn you ; ) i hate you ; ) must stop ! ok
June 5th, 2010 at 8:28 am
I agree with Jake from Oregon! 100% right on. I agree that not once did you…” actually repute her statement with any fact. Yes, she may go off on tangents but if you are doing any kind of expose then it is imperative you counter with facts of sources. You have not done so, you have merely taken an ad hominum attack posture and proved nothing.” With all your rhetoric and bluster, you’re just a BIG bag of hot air! You ask…”What is it though that Pamela believes in? What does she blog about?” Well, Pamela believes (as I do) that Islam is an evil brainwashing CULT. She blogs about the truth regarding Islam and it’s aspirations. Better wake up blabber mouth. Islam poses a “Clear and Present Danger” to the security of the people of the United States of America. But that’s not you now…..is it?
June 6th, 2010 at 3:40 pm
[snipped by Danios]
Comment from Danios: Let’s stay away from generalizations about Jews. Thanks. Some of my favorite intellectuals, professors, writers, bloggers, etc. are Jewish.
June 6th, 2010 at 10:40 pm
wow whoever wrote that article is retarded… its people like you that are just gonna sit back and watch america become an islamic nation simply because you don’t wanna be portrayed as intolerant
June 7th, 2010 at 6:13 pm
Geller = Nutbag…the picture says it all.. looks like 0.05 cts wh0r3!
June 8th, 2010 at 2:57 am
Attilla and Fthissite
Have you taken the time to read the many articles on this site showing how Geller and fellow loon Bob Spencer make up stuff, are constantly not telling facts but just spreading hate .
Try reading its not hard and its free
You will feel much better for it
Rational argument makes everyone feel better , spouting insults will just give you a headache
June 16th, 2010 at 1:44 am
Barry Lyndon read Mathermatic for Millions it was written by than non-mathermatic english proff in england when he have to sent one year in a hostipal. Algebra was the worked of thousand of years by many different cultures but the Muslim put all of the different parts of Algebra together in one unity whole which they pass on to Europea, the Muslim finish trigomonty which the ancient world started but was unable to finish as they where unable to determ the numberal value of 1 degress angle. By useing arabric number than simple geomony they where able to make than complete trig table. Many term and name in trigomonty are arabic name and word like tan, sin and cossine.
July 1st, 2010 at 12:34 pm
The only looniness about Pam Geller is that she speaks the truth, from the heart, and can back up everything she says. Lefties can’t stand it, and that’s why they smear courageous people like Pam. The truth is only a loony concept to the deceivers.
July 2nd, 2010 at 8:22 am
Arlen
You are supporting someone who believes that the president of the united states of America is the love child of Malcom X and a secret muslim and that the State of Isreal can do no wrong .
I am ,I suspect what you would call a lefty. A badge of honour to be called such where I come from. If your truth is the same as hers please read everything on this site , open your eyes the other truth will hurt but Pam does not want the actual truth she only wants hate and paranoia.(and to sell her book) The more she scares the more she sells.
July 8th, 2010 at 5:25 am
quote: “and allied herself with Israel, the obligatory step that Islamophobes take even though they don’t like Jews or they pretend to do so as a show of support.”
it was only as a result of reading about puritanical intolerant islam, that i began to become interested in jews. i had absorbed the uk media presentation of the middle-east which painted isreal as the opressive tyrant and had almost unconsciously began to side with the palestinians.
at the time i knew nothing about mohammeds rejection by jews in arabia, and his revengeful hatred and maligning of jews and how this got passed down the generations. i knew nothing about the destruction of jewish tribes in arabia, or that mohammed had declared that only one faith would be tolerated in arabia after his death. i knew nothing about the concept of dhimmi’s or the pact of umar.
eventually my curiosity was sparked and i looked into the subject of jews and their history. who were they, where had they come from, how had they managed to preserve their identity whilst being spread over the globe and whilst being persecuted maligned and discriminated against by chritians and muslims down the centuries. why were they so focused on jerusalem?
eventually that leads you to finding out about their dream of returning to zion and how they started immigrating and buying up land from the 1880′s onwards.
it is inevitable that this had consequences for the local arab population, but once the influx had happened and the jews got their act together so much better than the arab population, and given the jews historic ties to the land and their unbroken presence in the land even if at times it declined to mere thousands….it was then incumbent on the non-jewish population to come to terms with the reality on the ground and accept the two state solution offered to them.
this they have failed to do, and israel has been under attack ever since 1948. i have concluded that the reason for the philistinians continuous rejection of offers of peace and a two-state deal, is purely based on religion. they say as much in interviews and the names of their organizations : ie islamic jihad. and just read the foul and loathsome hamas charter.
so yes, i support the jews 100%. i also see the whole israel/palestine issue now as a litmus test for whether islam can permanently throw off its totalitarian-cult nature, and evolve into a genuine and peaceful religion.
if peace continues to be rejected i can only believe that this is an indication that muslims are incapable of true tolerance and reconcilliation.
i think that its time UK lefties woke up. i think there are lots of people like me who though not an ardent supporter of any uk party…were sort of vaguely left-leaning, with a desire to see certain historic wrongs and discriminations put right [ie racism sexism homophobia disability rights etc]. the trouble is that, because full-blooded lefties are fervant protectors of ALL the various victims of discrimination -on principle- this has bred in them a self righteous morally superior political correctness, that has blinded them to even the POSSIBILITY that any minority could have any real and dangerous shortcomings.
it is time they stopped turning a blind eye to the violence done in the name of islam, and put islam under just as tough a scrutiny as they would all other perceived wrong-doers.
this includes stopping making excuses for the daily bile & hatred [both physical and verbal] that is spewed towards israel by the local arab population. and the media of the neighbouring countries. it is natural to empathise with people who are having a rough time and who are perceived to be being oppressed and who are suffering reprisals for the violence and provocation indulged in by those amongst them…but that is no reason to exonerate suicide bombers who target civilians or the deliberate poisoning of childrens minds with virulent hatred towards israel.
the sooner a two-state deal is done, the sooner israel will be constrained to scale back its punitive operations and be held to a higher standard of behaviour.
please, if you are a Lefty, re-evaluate your blind unthinking antipathy towards israel, and research for yourself the religious roots of this problem. if after doing so, you still want to malign israel, then you will at least be doing so from an informed unbiased position.
July 11th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
auntie
I wonder where you get your sources on Islam and the prophet, because the prophet I know provided equal citizenship to his Jewish subjects until the moment they chose to break the covenant and betray Medina. While under the military and financial protection of Medina, they pay the jizya, or Dhimmi tax, a term thrown about by the Islamophobe to substantiate their accusation of Islamic racism. Funny how most Islamophobic websites are so quick to shout Dhimmi without explaining that only the liberated adult male who can afford to pay them were obliged to do so while the rest received money from the government. Benefit, what I believe the modern equivalent is.
Contrary to what most people would like to believe, Islam introduced peace when there were none in the Middle East. In the dessert where men used to fight for decades over a stolen camel, the same men learned not to harm even a budding flower in battlefield. What other religion specifically prohibit the murder of daughters in the times when honour killings were rampant?
I dare you to find me another religion which, in the times when women were beaten often and considered inferior, insist that should a husband DO decide to hit his wife despite Islam’s disapproval of the act, he wouldn’t be allowed to bed her that night, he should never hit her on her face, he should never leave a mark, it should never be repetitive, and he should never abuse her emotionally; humiliating her, calling her ugly or likening her to another woman is strictly prohibited.
Islam is kind. Calling it a totalitarian cult based on a bunch of war-minded terrorists not cohering to true Islamic teachings is no different from calling Christianity a perverted religion on the account of several child-raping priests. It’s just as unfair as calling the good honest Jews of New York and London murderers for what the IDF is doing in the Middle East.
July 13th, 2010 at 10:51 am
I don’t care what Pam Geller says President Obama is or is not, but I do know for sure that President Obama is an effective leader who has an agenda of converting our nation’s government to socialism and do away with the free market system that has provided so much for hard working individuals. This is the reason I would like to see President Obama out of office and all incumbent congressional representitives out of congress, but you keep right on mindlessly yammering on about nonevidential matters while your government continues to take away your freedom a little bit at a time you loonwatchers.
July 14th, 2010 at 4:37 am
What do you get when you cross a CLUELESS LIBTARD PARASITE with a computer keyboard?
Why you get silly bullshit like the following: “What do you get when you combine the most outlandish gaffes of Anne Coulter, the most awkward monologues of Sarah Palin, the senility of the crazy McCain Lady, filter any remaining logic out of it and give it a keyboard in the Bronx?”…
The congenital moron Mooneye can’t name even one gaffe from Coulter, even one supposedly awkward monologue by Palin, one alledged bit of senility from Ms. McCain and last but not least, any lack of logic by Geller…
What we have on display here is Mooneye’s SNIVELING COWARDICE mixed in with his/her inability to get a grip on reality resulting in a waste of bandwidth, oxygen, and other earthly resources…
July 16th, 2010 at 4:11 pm
@Mike- I believe President Bush passed the Patriot Act(Bill)…talk about taking your civil liberties away.
btw do you have any knowledge of what socialism is??? Really?
July 19th, 2010 at 11:46 am
I agree with Mike, Obama is turning America into a socialist country. Government is getting too big and we need to decrease it.
I mean, Obamacare? SOCIALIST!!
Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid? NOT SOCIALIST!!!
We need to eliminate FDIC and allow the free market to determine which banks will survive. People who put their money into banks that closed down will have to eat their lost.
We need to eliminate food/health inspectors and allow the free market to determine which food is the best. Besides, if people get sick, they can just use Medicare/Medicaid to fix themselves, because these programs are not SOCIALIST!!!
In the end, the only difference between Obamacare and Socialist Security is the type of people getting it. No one cares about poor people, as they are leeches on the government. But touch something old people loves, it’s political suicide.
July 20th, 2010 at 6:47 am
Free Market the solution ?
Dont you guys realise that the fix is in ?at every level
USA land of the free
Free to die cause you have no healthcare
Free to be shot because there is nothing to stop the loons having guns
Free to hold beliefs unless you are a muslim ,leftwing,etc
Free to recieve propaganda dressed up as facts and news and
Free to starve because there is no social sercurity system
and the only thing you can complain about is this drivel that your presedent is a socialist!
A socialist would do something about these freedoms and make you really free
July 29th, 2010 at 11:56 pm
All you stupid commie jew hating misogynists have gotten what you want. Oh wait its not working out so great and we are on the fast track to indentured servitude thanks you your tools in congress. GO TO HELL! I hope all you fuckin Utopian libtards enjoy your mandatory civil service and the draft. I hope when it happens sweet little sacha and malia get to do their civil service with all us little people.
August 1st, 2010 at 10:55 am
A little digging will tell you all you need to know about Pamela Geller and why she spouts so much offensive crap. Google “Pamela Geller wiki” and you’ll get a link to her now deleted Wikipedia entry. It notes she writes for ‘Arutz Sheva’ the media network of the Religious Zionist movement – wildly popular with settlers in the Occupied Palestinian Territories.
If you want to know the mindset of the readers, I suggest looking back over their political cartoon archives and reading the comments.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/More/ActivePage.aspx/Cart
Geller is certainly a loon, and now you know why. It’s all about Israel, and “defending” Israel by by offensively attacking muslims and resorting to the most repulsive islamaphobia.
I read Ayn Rand’s fiction and non-fiction when I was younger and can tell you she knows NOTHING about that movement. Calling her blog “Atlas Shrugs” is an exercising in marketing, nothing more.
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:40 am
antilibtards, you sound a bit peeved, why don’t you go to your hate-fest site Jihadwatch and spill your hate there?
August 4th, 2010 at 7:24 pm
Pamela Geller is absolutely right to condemn this “religion” called islam. It is a vile backward barbaric cult of hate and intolerance; it is anything but a religion. All decent human being that have a conscience should be ashamed of being a muslim and should recant; they need to abandon that cult in droves.
When the “mo-ham-mad-damn” vermin gain enough power to take over control in this country (by evoking their sharia law) you, the degenerate lefties, will be first in line to experience the favored neck severing technique employed by the muslim jihadists…because it is you they despise the most of all along with the drug addicts, gays, lesbians, atheists, pro-choice activists, communists and so on.
Christianity follows the benevolent teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached love and forgiveness. The muslims have mohammad; a PHYCHOTIC SERIAL KILLER, RAPIST, CRIMINAL, PEDOPHILE, DICTATOR etc, etc… and guess what he preached? Yes, all of the above…minus love and forgiveness.
The prophet, mohammad, is the embodiment of all that is evil, perverted and corrupt on earth. This abomination is the inspiration for muslims everywhere with his teachings at the core of islam? I think I’m going to throw up…
muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham (mohammad named him allah) so join the benevolent religions of Christianity or Judaism because they are the true houses of God…or join any other religion, for that matter, but leave islam .
Need I say more about islam, “The Cult of Hate”. Learn more, visit… http://www.inthenameofallah.org/
August 5th, 2010 at 12:11 am
Lol @ Henry.
I like how Christians like you are so in love with Judaism all of a sudden. People like you were slaughtering Jews by their millions less than a century ago. What was that about peace and love…?
Is that what its going to take for you to warm up to Muslims? A “peaceful and lovely” holocaust?
August 5th, 2010 at 12:16 am
“muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham (mohammad named him allah) so join the benevolent religions of Christianity or Judaism because they are the true houses of God”
is from henry and meant to be in quotes above. Oops. could the mods fix it for me please.
August 5th, 2010 at 4:07 am
“Pamela Geller is absolutely right to condemn this “religion” called islam. It is a vile backward barbaric cult of hate and intolerance;”
Never learned to hate people in Islam.
“All decent human being that have a conscience should be ashamed of being a muslim and should recant; they need to abandon that cult in droves.”
Explain why the personality-shaping that many Muslims get from their faith makes them get along very well with just about everyone.
“When the “mo-ham-mad-damn” vermin..”
Vermin? Nazi vocabulary, Henry, nazi vocabulary..
“Christianity follows the benevolent teachings of Jesus Christ, who preached love and forgiveness. The muslims have mohammad; a PHYCHOTIC SERIAL KILLER, RAPIST, CRIMINAL, PEDOPHILE, DICTATOR etc, etc… and guess what he preached? Yes, all of the above…minus love and forgiveness.
I’m getting sick of you turds vomiting out accusations with no proof to provide, especially the one about rape.
Fun fact: One of Mohammed’s neighbours used to defecate at his door every morning – something you troglodytes would’ve loved to do – which he would just sweep aside before going to prayers. A few days in a row, there was no crap at the Prophet’s door, so he asked the people whether they had heard something about this neighbour, only to hear that he was ill. So he visited this guy to ask about him, as people would usually do with friends.
What were you saying about forgiveness again?
“The prophet, mohammad, is the embodiment of all that is evil, perverted and corrupt on earth. This abomination is the inspiration for muslims everywhere with his teachings at the core of islam? I think I’m going to throw up…”
Only because it’s only you who believes in that ‘perversion’ and ‘corruption’. Anyone who has read up on his life and teachings can see how much lies you’ve gladly swallowed.
Fun fact: While sitting down with his companions, the Prophet saw a funeral procession passing by and stood up silently in respect. One of his companions whispered to him: “Mohammed, this is a Jewish funeral”, to which he responded: “Was it not a human soul?” and remained standing till they were gone.
“muslims profess to worship the God of Abraham (mohammad named him allah) so join the benevolent religions of Christianity or Judaism because they are the true houses of God…or join any other religion, for that matter, but leave islam .”
2:135 They say: “Become Jews or Christians if ye would be guided (To salvation).” Say thou: “Nay! (I would rather) the Religion of Abraham the True, and he joined not gods with Allah.”
2:136 Say: “We believe in Allah, and the revelation given to us, and to Abraham, Isma’il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and that given to Moses and Jesus, and that given to (all) prophets from their Lord: We make no difference between one and another of them, and to Him do we submit.
2:137 So if they believe as you believe, they are indeed on the right path; but if they turn back, it is they who are in schism; but Allah will suffice thee as against them, and He is the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.
August 5th, 2010 at 7:14 am
lawrence had a one night stand with Satan, and the result is Henry!
August 5th, 2010 at 11:00 am
IBNabuTalib
LOL, hilarious…….
I think Henry may be Laurence himself, if so, he has actually expanded his vocabulary.
August 5th, 2010 at 11:58 am
Great response Sphinx.
August 7th, 2010 at 8:03 pm
This lady has to be THE dumbest human-being to walk this earth….
Complete, and pure stupidity at it’s finest.
August 7th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
It’s quite interesting how these Islamophobes start posting after the thread has passed it’s sell by date, hoping they would leave the last deregotory response. The truth is, they cannot stomach the truth, and the brain turns into a loose cannon firing falsehood after falsehood…without any proof to back up. Where there is no proof…..there is no substance, just conjecture.
Allah always mentions the need for proof when making a claim, which the enemies of Islam don’t have. Majority of the responses are filled with hate not logic. This post is a year old and the Islamophobes still manage to have their say…at least they don’t bar anyone from posting negative comments (unlike the many Islamophobe sites). May peace be with all the good people of this earth.
August 9th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Pamela Geller is an American Patriot with Beauty, Intelligence, Grace and an Understanding of what is happening in the world, She knows that Obama is out to ruin this Nation and must be stopped before it is too late.
GOD BLESS PAMELA AND AMERICA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2010 at 11:13 pm
Is it true that Pamela Geller key organizer of this movement met Elias Abuelazam last week and helped him with money to buy his return ticket. Elias was arrested in Atlanta trying to flee to Israel after he committed several murders.
August 14th, 2010 at 6:59 pm
She crazy, but she’s on Fox News…how is it that an illiterate blogger become a talking head on Fox News? ABC and other MSM news channels, prime time showing?
I think I know the answer. Her Favicon on Google Chrome gives her status away, like all in the hidden organisation, she, like the others, insist on using the symbols of the Illuminati. Hers is the all seeing eye symbol. All Favicons are created and not random.
Geller is an Illuminati puppet.
August 15th, 2010 at 8:09 am
Cheers for the great blog post i saw this site and have been reading it evreyday and im finding it hard to stay away. keep up the great work and hope to see more
August 16th, 2010 at 11:12 am
She has more balls than 90% of American males, and 100% of any muslim male.
She is the truth of the horrors of the political philosophy of islam. She reports the truth and if you disagree, watch the movie FITNA. The movie exposes the truth of the hate that is islam. Can’t accept the fact that president Obama is a muslim plant, an illegal immigrant, and should spend the rest of his days in a cell next to Attorney General Eric Holder in GITMO? Get used to it. These people are going down, and if your’re in the way, Ahh, too frick’en bad.
Do me a favor, keep your Obama stickers on your car.
August 18th, 2010 at 8:28 am
Why don’t you all anti-Islam “Americans” go back to where your euro-ancesters came from: Europe?
The only rightfull Amercans are the original inhabitants of America: the Indians. Where are they gone? Exterminated by your euro-ancesters, Pamela Geller and the like.
August 18th, 2010 at 9:20 am
“Can’t accept the fact that president Obama is a muslim plant, an illegal immigrant, and should spend the rest of his days in a cell next to Attorney General Eric Holder in GITMO?”
Bahahahahahhaha!
You’re better than lawrence. Marry me tom.
August 18th, 2010 at 9:57 am
Ewww! She makes my Gramps look like one of them fine babes from Spencer’s Ground Zero Strip club!
August 19th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
חבל כי איני יכול להתייחס לרשומה שלך באנגלית. הופתעתי לשמוע שישנם אנשים בארצך שמבינים את הסכנות שהאיסלם טומן בחובו. לדעתי דת זו הינה כה מסוכנת שבכל מדינה נורמלית היו צריכים לבצע הערכות מקצועיות להתמודדות עם ציבור משולח רסן כמו מאמיני האיסלם. רוב המוסלמים נגררים אחרי הקיצונים והבעיה המרכזית היא שלאנשים האלה אין גבולות, אין מגבלות. רק מי שמכיר אותם מקרוב יכול לדמיין את הסכנה האיסלמית.בכל מקרה תודה לאומץ ליבך ואני מרגיש שאת עושה מה שרבים רק חושבים או מדברים בחדרי חדרים.ישר כוח. שמואל אייל ישראל, נעלה.
August 19th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Well done, I’m proud of you
August 19th, 2010 at 2:10 pm
Why Obama will not make a mosque next to the White House?
Why not?
August 19th, 2010 at 2:26 pm
I wish that I can not relate to your post in good English. I was surprised to hear that there are people in your country who understand the dangers of Islam holds. I think religion is so dangerous in any normal country would have to perform professional systems for dealing with public delegate rein as the adherents of Islam. After trailing most of the Muslim extremists main problem is that these people are no boundaries, no limitations. Only those who know them closely can see the danger of Islam. In any case thank you courage and I feel you are doing what many only think or talk in private. Well done
August 21st, 2010 at 7:11 am
Who exactly is this woman? Where was she born? Does she carry dual citizenship with any other country? Is she a front for a bigger agenda? Who has the most to gain by fomenting hatred of Muslims or people of Arabic backgrounds? How can she get away with this without being sued for defamation of character? Is this part of a smokescreen to hide something much bigger? We need a lot more personal information about who this woman is.
August 21st, 2010 at 7:13 am
Clipperty, no need for conspiracy theories.
We know very well who she is by her words, which are enough.
You don’t get sued for hate speech.
August 21st, 2010 at 7:18 am
Pamela Geller will do anything for money, all this hate to Islam and Muslims nothing but business as long as somebody paying her to do so. If somebody pays her more she might work as a stripper. She is the most ignorant person about Islam and Muslims. I can’t wait to see her end when she will loose her credibility and no one is paying her to do more Botox …
August 21st, 2010 at 2:11 pm
Funny she is wearing the Little Green Footballs shirt here. Look at how the article below blasts here.
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/article/36930_Meet_the_Leaders_of_the_Anti-Mosque_Movement
August 22nd, 2010 at 9:22 am
It is obvious that she is a self-hating muslim. If you look at her picture long enough, you too will become convinced that she is projecting Malcolm X’s paternity onto the President because she is a daughter of Malcolm X (though only through a sperm bank donation he had made during one of his rougher periods) and sees everyone as her rival sibling.
August 23rd, 2010 at 6:51 pm
Thanks to you, loonwatchers.
I featured Geller in a video about the Muslim Center and bigotry. She is a deserviing loon!
See the Video here http://texshelters.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/howard-dean-defends-bigots/ or on YouTube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD0hK-ojXjI
Peace,
Tex Shelters
August 23rd, 2010 at 11:10 pm
Islam has been a hot topic since 9/11, it’s no wonder why so many books and blogs on both sides of the fence are so popular, there’s money to be made. Islam taking over the world will go down in history with Rock n Roll is devils music, the Russians are communizing the world, in 2000 all the computers will crash and wait for it 2012 is the end of the world. In 2013 we can rest assured that none of these things has happened, although maybe the hijab has become fashionable in the fashion industry. Even if Islam was the dominant religion it would break into many different facets of the religion it already has. While a woman in Saudi Arabia is putting on a burqa my Muslim girlfriend in Canada is getting highlights in her hair while I write this comment. While both women may have highlights and both are not thinking about jihad one will go out in public without a burqa. 99% of people in this world are more concerned with going to work and feeding their families than world domination, Obama included.
If Obama is a Muslim good for him it isn’t illegal and has nothing to do with if he is a good president or not all that matters is that he is standing up for peoples rights which he is. Most likely China will be the next world power anyways.
Whether or not Muslims contributed to building the western world is not important, Native Americans may feel that other nations helped destroy it. The western world has left the largest carbon footprint on the world and we know that we have to change if we want to save our planet. Bickering over religious preferences won’t help. Pooling are knowledge will, we can learn from cultures that some people call backwards and in the stone ages, these cultures are less reliant on consumerism and leave behind a smaller carbon footprint. We should be happy that there are diverse cultures out there, it would suck when asked what you did on your holidays to reply, we visited the malls of Egypt.
To say that the Qur’an is evil is ridiculous, it’s a book and books aren’t evil there just books. Look at the children’s book Cat in the hat by Dr Seuss. This book isn’t evil but for fun let’s make it evil. The book was written to improve literacy with a list of 223 words that first graders should learn, amongst the 223 words love or friendship is not one of them, what kind of sick world would deprive first graders love and friendship. The cat preaches anarchism and tortures the fish throughout the book. He at some point releases the slaves that he holds captive locked in a box he rolls in. Given that this book was not written for evil one can find it if one looks hard enough.
Pam Geller is just another person looking hard at Islam to find faults so she can criticize a religion to large and spread out to label everyone the same. Just because Bin Laden bent the meaning of the Qur’an to justify his actions doesn’t mean everyone else believes the Qur’an is telling them to crash planes into buildings. Most people read it as be a good soul and you shall be rewarded in heaven.
August 24th, 2010 at 8:58 am
Just read your article, dated 8-31-09. Well its almost a year since this article was written and what do we now know that we didn’t know for sure then – well lets see:
* Obama’s mother was a communist as were his grandparents on his mother’s side.
* Obama’s father was a communist too.
* About 50% of Americans believe Obama is a Muslim, always has been a Muslim and uses the tenents of his religion to lie about it.
* Question: Who appointed a Muslim as a Fellow for the sole purpose of insuring that transactions between Muslims and non Muslims comply with Sharia Law? Answer: Obama! This violates separation of Church & State now doesn’t it.
* Who is it that is rumored to have instructed Bloomberg to get the mosque approved by Community Board 1, who for years recommended landmarking the building to the Landmark Preservation Commission and now suddenly finds no reason to do so. Answer: Who controls CB1? Bloomberg! Historical facts speak for themselves! His political career is over, no one will forget this slap in the face.
* Question: Who is it that put landmarking that building on its calendar approximately 20 years ago? Answer: The Landmarks Preservation Commission, in other words it was their project, they were for it and let it linger only because the tenant Burlington Coat Factory didn’t want it landmarked. And was placed back on the calendar only because it needed to be voted against so the mosque could be built. Again, this Commission is controlled by Bloomberg. This too is also a historical fact!
* Question: Who bowed to the Saudi king? Answer: Obama!
Enough said?
So who has the story right? Answer: Not Salon!
August 24th, 2010 at 9:28 am
Who believes in far right conspiracy theories, pretty much all of which have been disproven? Answer: Barbara Paolucci! She is crazy enough to believe Obama is a Muslim and is using “Taqiyya” because he is involved in some bizzare Islamic/Communist conspiracy! If Obama drinks beer and eats pork then he is trying to decieve us, and if he supports a mosque he is trying to install Islamic law. Barbara, can you say catch 22?!
August 24th, 2010 at 1:58 pm
Must be awful working for Pam Geller, with that spittle flying all over the place…
August 25th, 2010 at 10:36 am
Try and pay attention here. islam is a political philosophy, as is socialism, fascism, communism, totalitarianism. islam is NOT a religion. GET IT? All ATLAS SHRUGS is to tell the truth, or can’t you idiots understand the movie FITNA? Too complicated? Get a life.
My husband is a NAVY trained (hint) vet and he’s not going to have America taken over by a bunch of loons. Make your choice.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:08 am
Just out of curiosity, has anyone ever seen Pamela Geller’s birth certificate? I know she is supposed to be around age 40.
August 25th, 2010 at 11:26 am
Cheryl
And you are an expert on what constitutes a religion? because if we dont agree then you threaten us with your tough husband ?
I dont mind rational debate but threats and bluster plus hate, hate hate will never convince me or anyone else that you are nothing but a loon
August 25th, 2010 at 11:40 am
LOL Sir David. These clowns are so sure of themselves. And none of these loons have answered my question. Show me ONE political movement or ideology that has lasted for over 1400 years and has over 1.6 billion adherents. Good luck trying to destroy the indestructible Cheryl, you wannabe crusader. Send my regards to your big scary Navy husband! Haha.
August 25th, 2010 at 1:45 pm
@ Thomas Canfield
Maybe in dog years.
August 26th, 2010 at 5:22 am
God bless Pamela Geller………..May islam and all muslims get fucked
August 26th, 2010 at 11:15 am
islam: one sorry excuse for old men to molest young girls. And that’s it. But that’s not enough, is it? You’ve got to add can’t leave the house without permission, no makeup, have to wear a stupid burka or, at the very least, a headscarf, no nudist camp, now, is there? No reading or writing for girls. And if there is a woman doctor, no treating males.
It’s called stupidity, and if it makes you feel real proud and brave to beat up on helpless people, well, all I’ve got to say to you is that it must be real fun to go through life as an ignorant ass. afterall, then you get to blame your, and all of you other sickos, on everyone else except yourself. Don’t even think about taking credit for your own failures, blame everyone else. A real man? You’re a true failure as a human. Good for you and all of your fellow followers of the book of hate: the quoran.
Enjoy the movie FITNA.
August 26th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
@Cheryl,
Your rantings are typical of an Islamophobic nutter, let me highlight this:-
cheryl Says:
August 26th, 2010 at 11:15 am
“islam: one sorry excuse for old men to molest young girls.”
Where have you read this?I know Islam teaches no such thing, if it does, prove it.By the way, why don’t you condemn gay priests molesting young boys or don’t you believe that it exists being the Islamphobic nutcase that you are.
“And that’s it. But that’s not enough, is it? You’ve got to add can’t leave the house without permission, no makeup, have to wear a stupid burka or, at the very least, a headscarf, no nudist camp, now, is there?”
Muslim women are allowed to wear makeup, the burka is optional for women who want to guard themselves against molestation (incidentally the US has the highest rate of rape cases), headscarf is also optional. I agree women/men are not allowed to be nude in public but I don’t see how that bugs you.
“No reading or writing for girls.”
Haha, you really are not very clued up are you? Muslim women have as much right to study as their male counterparts, but you wouldn’t know that being an Islamophobe dear.
” And if there is a woman doctor, no treating males.”
Don’t exagerate, it’s only certain areas where a Muslim female doctor may feel uncomfortable with a male patient and vice versa, damn it don’t you get it woman?Would a woman doctor feel easy touching male genitals?Maybe you would but I can promise you the vast majority would not but other than that I don’t see how a Muslim woman doctor can’t treat male patients.
“It’s called stupidity, and if it makes you feel real proud and brave to beat up on helpless people, well, all I’ve got to say to you is that it must be real fun to go through life as an ignorant ass.”
No it’s called common sense, something which you have been deprived of judging by the lack of your basic understandings on what Islam is about. The ignorant ass you talk about is yourself, but no one has ever told you that.
“afterall, then you get to blame your, and all of you other sickos, on everyone else except yourself.”
Meaning what exactly?
“Don’t even think about taking credit for your own failures, blame everyone else. A real man? You’re a true failure as a human. Good for you and all of your fellow followers of the book of hate: the quoran.”
What failures my dear, Islam gave woman the right to own property 1400 years ago and equal rights, but you wouldn’t know that being an Islamophobe. “Stop the burial of female children” cried the Prophet when pre-Islamic arabs were practicing female infanticide. This still happens, but not in Muslim lands, it happens in India. But you wouldn’t know that being an Islamophobe. The Quran is the only book in the world which hasn’t changed in as much as single word, can we say the same for the Bible?
“Enjoy the movie FITNA.”
Nah, you will enjoy it more, it’s made for Islamophobes by Islamophobes.
But I will leave you with this fact: Despite your lies and vile propaganda, Islam is spreading. We are not talking the Al-Qaeda nonsense but the real Islam most of the billion Muslims follow.Truth from God is bound to prevail. you can’t fight God.
“O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female and made you into nations and tribes that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise each other). Verily the most honored of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).”
Qur’an 49:13 Surah Al-Hujurat (The Inner Apartments)
You have a good day now.
August 27th, 2010 at 5:31 am
Sam Seed
Excellent post.
Cheryl
An enlightening post. Please enlighten me further.
You wrote:
No reading or writing for girls. And if there is a woman doctor, no treating males.
Please explain how one becomes a doctor without being able to read or write.
I look forward to your response.
August 27th, 2010 at 11:57 am
Islam is a bad joke…
August 27th, 2010 at 1:27 pm
Cheryl said: “My husband is a NAVY trained (hint) vet and he’s not going to have America taken over by a bunch of loons. Make your choice.”
Thank you for your husbands service to this great country. If he truly does not want lunatics to take over this country, then tell him not to support Pamela Geller. The woman is deranged in the worst way.
August 28th, 2010 at 2:53 am
After reading the above, I would be amazed if anyone can still take her seriously.
August 30th, 2010 at 10:51 am
This is an amazing exposee, I send it to my local media anytime they right about her, and they always thank me.
August 31st, 2010 at 2:34 am
islam no islam is comming to get us run for ur lifes man shut the fuck up and get a life
August 31st, 2010 at 2:47 am
talking about hate read the talmud tora bible then point at islam and the quran The
Book of 2 Chronicles That whosoever would not seek the LORD God of Israel should be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman Chapter 15 vers 13
You must kill those who worship another god. Exodus 22:20
Kill any friends or family that worship a god that is different than your own. Deuteronomy 13:6-10Kill all the inhabitants of any city where you find people that worship differently than you. Deuteronomy 13:12-16
Kill anyone who refuses to listen to a priest. Deuteronomy 17:12-13
the talmud
Erubin 21b. Whosoever disobeys the rabbis deserves death and will be punished by being boiled in hot excrement in hell.
Moed Kattan 17a. If a Jew is tempted to do evil he should go to a city where he is not known and do the evil there.
Sanhedrin 58b. If a heathen (Gentile) hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is the same as hitting God.
Baba Kamma 113a. Jews may use lies (“subterfuges”) to circumvent a Gentile.
Yebamoth 98a. All Gentile children are animals.
Sanhedrin 106a. Says Jesus’ mother was a whore: “She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters.”
very pace full
August 31st, 2010 at 5:14 am
Hey – this Geller woman is as mad as Mad Melanie Phillips and that takes some doing!