Wafa Sultan
We updated our post on Wafa Sultan. It looks like she was loonier than we thought.
In retrospect, our piece on Wafa Sultan seems not to have been harsh enough on her hateful lying and bigotry. In light of recent comments she has made while on her book tour at synagogues and churches, the poseur can properly be renamed, Wafa Stalin Sultan because the atheism that she believes in is propelled by the same genocidal and insane impulses that led another loon, Joseph Stalin.
Atlas Shrugs (read: Pamela Geller on Drugs) made our jobs easy by posting a video clip of Wafa Stalin Sultan going off the deep end. In the video, Sultan is addressing a group at a synagogue in NYC and says,
“I believe King Abdullah can change Islam overnight, but you need to put pressure on him to do it, and the same kind of pressure you put on Japan, you might need it“ at that moment someone from the audience interjects and asks, “atom bombs?” Wafa Sultan replies, “Yes. At some point the West will need to do it.” This statement is quite revealing considering how in 2007, at a right-wing David Horowitz funded conference called “Restoration Weekend,” Wafa Sultan said, “I will change 1.3 billion Muslims…they have to realize they have only two choices: to change or to be crushed.”
At the end of her speech, she utters something quite strange for an atheist, “God bless you and God bless America.” More charlatanism?
During the question and answer session she divides moderate Muslims into three categories: 1.) a majority, 80% who are unaware of the real teachings of Islam, 2.) huge chunks of them are practicing Taqiyyah, 3.) a very small progressive group who have no effect. All talking points from the far right-wing.
The rest of the question and answer session is interesting as well, and pocked full of more and more lies from Wafa Stalin Sultan. Check it out for yourselves:
This disgusting woman continues with her fascist fear mongering, she says, “Islam is infiltrating and you are doing nothing about it.” Someone from the audience then asks Sultan, “How would we stop it from infiltrating?” Sultan replies, “Get involved in politics, you have to know the kind of leaders you are choosing.” The man then says, “If we got involved in politics, what would our platform be, what would we say?” Sultan replies quoting Geert Wilders, “Islam is not religion!” The man interrupts and asks, “what would our platform be, what would A, B and C be?” Sultan replies, “the same you dealt with Nazism. The same way, the same exact way. The same way!” To this she receives a big applause from the all too captive audience…”you reversed the Japanese culture, the same, you might need to do it, you might need to do a heavy pressure, I cannot predict the kind of pressure, you understand it, I don’t have to say it.” Quite chilling the way she nonchalantly advocates nuking Muslims.
Sultan also says, “You know Geert Wilders has said if he becomes Prime Minister of Holland he will ban the Quran, I admire him for that.” The audience glibly agrees with her with mutterings of “yes.” If you want to see how fascism takes hold then watch the video. My only question is how much are these synagogues and churches paying her for speaking appearances at their congregations?
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:20 pm
“If you want to see how fascism takes hold then watch the video”
Very true. Its happening all over again, at least in Europe, i dont know in the US, but in Europe its getting very bad. People never learn anything from history. I cant stomach that monster (Wafa Stalin), cant even watch more than 2 seconds of her spitting her hatred.
December 2nd, 2009 at 12:40 pm
Where was this speech, which synagogue or church, who paid for it, and what kind of people attended?
Answers would be appreciated.
I think detestable as Wafa Sultan is, somebody from the Zionist camp probably wrote the script for her to parrot.
I think rather than fixate on Wafa Sultan, find out exactly who is behind all this, and then confront them for xenophobia.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:06 pm
I am not American. Is this kind of speech legal in the USA? Did not any Moslem organisation protest about this Sultan person recommending a nuclear blast on Muslems?
Why do Zionist Israeli’s in the USA (american zionists) complain about Ahmedinajed threatening to “wipe israel of the map” when they are trying to trick Americans into attacking Muslems by buying these charlatans?
I am surprised American 1st amendment allows this.
It doesn’t make sense. Why don’t Muslems react to this?
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:28 pm
“Its happening all over again, at least in Europe, i dont know in the US, but in Europe its getting very bad”
Naomi Wolf the famous Jewish feminist identifies ten points as the “blueprint” of or prelude to creating a fascist system in order to close democratic societies to pursue the agenda of the elite (in her book “The End of America”). These were instigated by all fascistic dictators from Mussolini to Hitler to Stalin to Pinochet. And most of these are found in America today, you can listen to her here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjALf12PAWc
Hyping up external threats and imagining false “sleeper cells” like Stalin did is the main job of individuals like Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes in this move towards fascism. Spencer’s “stealth jihad” is pretty much equivilent to the Stalinist “sleeper cells”. The other points are also clearly obvious: secret prisons (Guantanamo, Abu Ghuraib) and military tribunals which torture and murder (e.g. the unexplained murder of Mohammad Saleh al Hanashi an innocent who knew too much); a brutal paramilitary force that murders civilians (Blackwater USA led by an extreme right-wing Christian and responsible for civilian massacres in Iraq especially in Falluja which has led to an endless cycle of violence there; and also responsible for secret targetted assassinations in Pakistan); a “watch-list”, “no-fly-list” that restricts people’s liberty, the US is notorious for this; etc. The ideological drive is mostly capitalist greed.
In Europe, fasicism is gaining ground somewhat but there is an uneven spread. The Bosnian genocide of two hundred thousand people and rape and ethnic cleansing of over a million from 1992-95 was the culmination of religious bigotry and a fascist policy, with many analogies to the Jewish Holocaust. A good article on the new anti-semitism (Islamophobia) in Europe: http://www.masud.co.uk/ISLAM/ahm/right.htm
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:36 pm
When she says Muslims in their daily prayers curse Jews and Christians when they recite the first chapter of the Qur’an (fatiha) and that any 8 year old Arab will know this, she is lying. The chapter does not curse anybody. Its concluding sentence is a plee to God to keep us on the Straight Path and turn us away from the paths of those who have incurred God’s anger and those who have been led astray. Although the description is general the two categories are normally epitomised by the historical Jews (who angered God by breaking his commandments) and the mainstream Christians (who believed in a fabricated deified Christ figure that is far removed from the actual Jesus and were thus misguided/led astray). Not only does this prayer not mention Jews and Christians explicitly, it does not curse these two broad categories.
December 2nd, 2009 at 1:38 pm
Oh God, this is sad…the woman is such a hateful liar
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:04 pm
I posted a few text replies on the youtube pages which were as would be expected deleted. In her hatred of Islam, she goes so far as to say Islam is a hollow empty faith devoid of values, moral responsibility and simple courtesy. And when asked how interested individuals can know this, she simply asks them to take it on faith as they cannot know unless they can read the Arabic text of the Qur’an. I am sure sensible Westerners are intelligent enough to know this is ridiculous and a literal translation of the Qur’an can import a sense of the religion’s orientation. To those seeking an answer to Wafa they should simply look at the Qur’an even in translation. She says no values of the Qur’an and Sunna can be retained in the event of an “Islamic” reformation [I am personally opposed to the idea and favour instead a "counter-reformation" as the whole of the last two centuries have been efforts at reforming traditional Islam - we need a counter-reformation back to the traditional norms of Islam which can take the form of a "renewal" (tajdid)]. Many of the verses I will quote and reference now point to such values many of which are absent from the Bible
Islam encourages kindness, forgiveness, patience and doing good in response to violence, persecution and hurt. E.g. it says “Ye shall certainly be tried and tested in your possessions and in your personal selves; and ye shall certainly Hear much that will grieve you, from those who received the Book before you and from those who worship many gods. But if ye persevere patiently, and guard against evil,-then that will be a determining factor in all affairs” (3:186). In response to harm and injury it says “If ye punish, then punish with the like of that wherewith ye were afflicted. But if ye endure patiently, verily it is better for the patient. And do thou be patient, for thy patience is but from Allah; nor grieve over them: and distress not thyself” (16:126-7). The best response is to respond with goodness and kindness as that will create a change of heart and create harmony: “Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and thee was hatred become as it were thy friend and intimate! And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,- none but persons of the greatest good fortune.” (41:34-5). And following the same theme, the Qur’an before asking Muslims to be kind and friendly and just to non-aggressive disbelievers it says “It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies” (60:7). In fact the Qur’an attempted to reverse the revenge culture of jahiliyya and introduce an Islamic concept of sakina (peace, contentment) practiced through self-restraint: “While the Unbelievers got up in their hearts heat and cant - the heat and cant of ignorance,- Allah sent down His Tranquillity to his Messenger and to the Believers, and made them stick close to the command of self-restraint; and well were they entitled to it and worthy of it. And Allah has full knowledge of all things.” (48:26). In response to provocation the Qur’an recommends “holding to forgiveness” and “turning away from the ignorant” (7:199).
So Islam goes beyond the “golden rule” and encourages kindness and showing favour to those one knows and those one does not know. The Qur’an commends the Medinites who welcomed and favoured above themselves their Meccan brethren: “Those who entered the city and the faith before them love those who flee unto them for refuge, and find in their breasts no need for that which hath been given them, but prefer (the fugitives) above themselves though poverty become their lot. And whoso is saved from his own avarice - such are they who are successful.” (59:9). The Qur’an commands kindness (i.e. doing good to others without even recipricol treatment) to even foreigners (who may or may not be Muslims): “Serve Allah, and join not any partners with Him; and do good- to parents, kinsfolk, orphans, those in need, neighbours who are near, neighbours who are strangers, the companion by your side, the wayfarer (ye meet), and what your right hands possess: For Allah loveth not the arrogant, the vainglorious” (4:36). It also illustrates kindness as a universal command from God “Lo! Allah enjoineth justice and kindness, and giving to kinsfolk, and forbiddeth lewdness and abomination and wickedness. He exhorteth you in order that ye may take heed” (16:90).
There are sections of the Qur’an that outline general rules of conduct similar to the ten commandments. E.g. “Say: “Come, I will rehearse what Allah hath (really) prohibited you from”: Join not anything as equal with Him; be good to your parents; kill not your children on a plea of want;- We provide sustenance for you and for them;- come not nigh to shameful deeds. Whether open or secret; take not life, which Allah hath made sacred, except by way of justice and law: thus doth He command you, that ye may learn wisdom. And come not nigh to the orphan’s property, except to improve it, until he attain the age of full strength; give measure and weight with (full) justice;- no burden do We place on any soul, but that which it can bear;- whenever ye speak, speak justly, even if a near relative is concerned; and fulfil the covenant of Allah: thus doth He command you, that ye may remember. Verily, this is My way, leading straight: follow it: follow not (other) paths: they will scatter you about from His (great) path: thus doth He command you. that ye may be righteous” (6:151-3).
A similar passage: “Take not with Allah another object of worship; or thou (O man!) wilt sit in disgrace and destitution. Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: “My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood.” Your Lord knoweth best what is in your hearts: If ye do deeds of righteousness, verily He is Most Forgiving to those who turn to Him again and again (in true penitence). And render to the kindred their due rights, as (also) to those in want, and to the wayfarer: But squander not (your wealth) in the manner of a spendthrift. Verily spendthrifts are brothers of the Evil Ones; and the Evil One is to his Lord (himself) ungrateful. And even if thou hast to turn away from them in pursuit of the Mercy from thy Lord which thou dost expect, yet speak to them a word of easy kindness. Make not thy hand tied (like a niggard’s) to thy neck, nor stretch it forth to its utmost reach, so that thou become blameworthy and destitute. Verily thy Lord doth provide sustenance in abundance for whom He pleaseth, and He provideth in a just measure. For He doth know and regard all His servants. Kill not your children for fear of want: We shall provide sustenance for them as well as for you. Verily the killing of them is a great sin. Nor come nigh to adultery: for it is a shameful (deed) and an evil, opening the road (to other evils). Nor take life - which Allah has made sacred - except for just cause. And if anyone is slain wrongfully, we have given his heir authority (to demand qisas or to forgive): but let him not exceed bounds in the matter of taking life; for he is helped (by the Law). Come not nigh to the orphan’s property except to improve it, until he attains the age of full strength; and fulfil (every) engagement, for (every) engagement will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). Give full measure when ye measure, and weigh with a balance that is straight: that is the most fitting and the most advantageous in the final determination. And pursue not that of which thou hast no knowledge; for every act of hearing, or of seeing or of (feeling in) the heart will be enquired into (on the Day of Reckoning). Nor walk on the earth with insolence: for thou canst not rend the earth asunder, nor reach the mountains in height…These are among the (precepts of) wisdom, which thy Lord has revealed to thee.” (17:22-39)
Another passage speaks of the conditions that are attached to pledging allegiance to Islam: “O Prophet! When believing women come to thee to take the oath of fealty to thee, that they will not associate in worship any other thing whatever with Allah, that they will not steal, that they will not commit adultery (or fornication), that they will not kill their children, that they will not utter slander, intentionally forging falsehood, and that they will not disobey thee in any just matter,- then do thou receive their fealty, and pray to Allah for the forgiveness (of their sins): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.” (60:12).
Sura 25:63-75 describes the righteous “Servants of the Most Merciful” as those who do not respond to provocation (rather say “peace”), walk humbly on the earth and are deeply engrossed in the remembrance and worship of God.
The Qur’an contains features that the Bible does not. For example, it says “if any of your slaves ask for a deed in writing (to enable them to earn their freedom for a certain sum), give them such a deed if ye know any good in them: yea, give them something yourselves out of the means which Allah has given to you” (24:33) i.e. to free slaves if they ask to be freed, whereas the Bible tells slaves to remain with their masters even if they are harsh. It also forbids the taking of slaves outside of war (8:67). More importantly, unlike the Bible which tells Christians to remove themselves from their non-believing family and to “let the dead bury the dead” (Matthew 8:22), the Prophet Muhammad told Asma towards the end of his Prophetic career to be kind to and host her idolaterous mother based on the verse which says “Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just.” (60:8).
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:06 pm
As for moral responsibility, the Qur’an explicitly says (akin to the declaration in Ezekiel 18 that “The Soul Who Sins Will Die”) “O ye who believe! Ye have charge of your own souls…Unto Allah ye will all return; and then He will inform you of what ye used to do.” (5:105). And it asks Muslims to stand on the side of truth and justice even if it is harmful to ones own self and relatives or in favour of ones enemies: “O ye who believe! stand out firmly for justice, as witnesses to Allah, even as against yourselves, or your parents, or your kin, and whether it be (against) rich or poor: for Allah can best protect both. Follow not the lusts (of your hearts), lest ye swerve, and if ye distort (justice) or decline to do justice” (4:135), “O ye who believe! stand out firmly for Allah, as witnesses to fair dealing, and let not the hatred of others to you make you swerve to wrong and depart from justice. Be just: that is next to piety” (5:8)
As for Sultan saying Islam does not encourage simple courtesy (like saying “thank you”/shukran or “sorry”/afwan) I’m sure anybody who knows Muslims here or in the Muslim world knows this is untrue. The Qur’an says “When a (courteous) greeting is offered you, meet it with a greeting still more courteous, or (at least) of equal courtesy. Allah takes careful account of all things.” (4:86) and “if ye enter houses, salute each other - a greeting of blessing and purity as from Allah. Thus does Allah make clear the signs to you: that ye may understand.” (24:61) and “O ye who believe! enter not houses other than your own, until ye have asked permission and saluted those in them: that is best for you, in order that ye may heed” (24:27).
She gets the number of Muslims wrong, a pew research found Muslims are quarter of the world’s population (1.57/6.8 billion). Nonetheless in this video she recommends Nagasaki, Hiroshima, Dresden all over again, such is her blindness in support of American Wilsonianism. As this blog has shown, her claim to have lived under “Islamic Shariah” is a lie as she lived under the repressive Baathist regime of Hafez al-Assad who was (at least tacitly) supported by the US all along even while killing tens of thousands of Muslims. The fact that JW writers and other right-wing nuts herald her as a prize-jewel is proof enough that they have no interest in truth, justice or freedom the false rhetoric that they peddle to legitimise their hate.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:29 pm
This is very chilling. The Islamophobes are trying to paint extremist Muslims as people who pray five times a day and does the daily duties that has been put upon a Muslim. Does anybody but me not see what’s going on here? They are trying to make every devote Muslim look like an extremist! This is very, very frightening. I heard this was in New York. Can’t we complain and send emails to their Senators or representatives? If anybody on Loonwatch is from New York, can you guys please send mass email to your Senator and political representative? It would help a great deal and bring attention to these LOONatics. The more frightening thing is that wafa stalin is pushing people to choose hateful politicians. This is seriously getting out of hand. Moderate Muslims to these people are women who wear tight clothes with no hijab, men who do drugs and flirt with women, disrespect their parents etc. Whenever we Muslims protest we end up getting backlash that we’re being cry babies! Protesting against a person who supports nuking Muslim countries (1.4 billion people) in order to bring “peace” is being a cry baby? Outrageous. Spinster and Geller support these people. I hope the government is watching them.
December 2nd, 2009 at 2:49 pm
What is really sick is the number of Jews and Jewish organizations at the forefront of this demonization of Arabs and Muslims. In Canada, the Jewish terrorist organization bnai brith has taken out a full page ad to link Palestinians with Nazis, obviously all this is a full out effort to destroy the Palestinain people, and in general destroy the Middle East. As for that Sultan piece of shit…
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Now that all the staff have put in their obligatory fawning endorsements of the main article, it’s time for the truth. Wafa Sultan gets under your skin because she exposes everything that is rotten in Islamic society. And EVERYTHIHNG is rotten in Islamic society. Everything.
December 2nd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Great article. Thanks for keeping us up to date on this loon.
December 2nd, 2009 at 4:31 pm
Imagine if a Muslim speaker in a mosque said the equivalent things about Christians and Jews. Wafa Sultan is a disgusting person.
December 2nd, 2009 at 6:44 pm
Pob says” Wafa Sultan gets under your skin because she exposes everything that is rotten in Islamic society. And EVERYTHIHNG is rotten in Islamic society”.
I am Greek Orthdox Mr. drekmeistre, that “Elsa shewolf of the SS” gets under my skin because she is a Nazi, and somebody somewhere said “Never Again”", when you demonize people you are exterminating them. Some Rabbi just printed a book advocating the death of any Gentile opposed to Israel, that’s when his countrymen are not killing hundreds of children…Of course you maybe are a “born again degenerate”, in that case go geet in the trailer, smoke some meth.
December 2nd, 2009 at 7:17 pm
Thanks again for another great article, Garibaldi. I think it may be worth your while to put together a petition or something, that Americans could send to their state reps asking why this genocidal woman is allowed to propogaate her hate. We also need to find out what Jewish organisations are doing about this. Why are they funding this, whilst capping white supremacists themselves? It’s counterproductive for them. What do they hope to achieve? Attacks on Muslims? Even if that happened, how would that help them?
Pou,
Sorry, you’re wrong. This fawner is a not staff. Isn’t Loon Watch awesome? Fawn fawn, gush, gush,
Wafa Sultan is paid to lie, those who pay here, The moral bankruptcy of your cause is evident in that you have to pay liars, but even with your best efforts it doesn’t succeed.Your evil backfires.
Muzammil
Bro, thank you for your insight, and your posts. Your religous quotes help dispel textual misconceptions, and i’m glad you post here, it will educate the non Muslims who look for Quranic verses, and Hadeeth’s to back up, and not all of us here have time to look them up always.
Please link Loonwatch to your own blog, as it may attract more readers, we need to send this website rocketing into the TOP 50 WEBSITES ON THE INTERNET, hopefully within the year
What i love about this site, is that it has all sorts of people commenting, religious Muslims, secular Muslims, women, men, Christians, Jews, atheists, Zionists, anti Zionists, even Buddha and Krishna fans, enemies, and plain nuts (Lou, Durendal) and others …
This brings a diverse range of opinions and thoughts, not always agreeable, but if everyone wrote the same thing, it would be boring…
I wish i’d found this site earlier..
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:38 pm
This is getting out of hand. Really it is. The middle east NEEDS to start damage control, and discredit this stupid woman the west is in love with
December 2nd, 2009 at 10:54 pm
Pob,
If you think for one second this lady is right about anything, I mean ANYTHING, then you are not only naive, but a moron.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:51 am
Based on what I saw on and listen to,(pro and con about Wafa Sultan)on YouTube,including her poorly delivered “lectures” about her hatred of Islam and Muslims,and also based on what I read about her so far. I can cite the following observations with a degree of confidence:
* Wafa Sultan is in such a nasty adventure for the MONEY and nothing else.
* She is willing to say anything against Islam and Muslims,as long as the checks keep coming from those who are using her to express their own hatred by PROXY through a stupidly lost and despicable Muslim woman.
* She claims that the turning point in her life happened in 1979 when a group of Muslim Brotherhood murdered a professor at the University of Alepo
in Syria,from which she graduated from its Medical School with a medical degree in psychiatry. Checking with the officials of University of Alepo
have indicated that No such murder has ever occurred at the university campus.
* She migrated to the United States in 1989 and even the legality of her entry to America is being questioned by certain quarters.
* She could not obtain a license to practice medicine in the U.S.
* She and her husband had difficult times paying $800 per month for the rent and putting food on the table from 1989 to 2005. That was before she suddenly became the talk of the towns after she appeared on Al-jazeera Arabic Channel program called “Al-Etigah Al-Mua’akis”,an approximate translation:”The Opposite view”,in 2005,denouncing Islam savagely. Before 2005,she was working in a piza making place and gas station for minimum wages. There is absolutely nothing wrong in working in such places to survive,except in her case,one has to consider that the principle called CAUSE AND EFFECT is certainly at play,here,and certainly in the core of her motivation to do the ugliness she is doing. There are scholarly and intellectual ways to criticize any religion,but certainly NOT with such divisiveness,offensiveness and venoms. It is Robert Spencer and Daniel Pipes and their ilk’s styles.
* She contradicts herself in her own “lectures”. She says that she is an Atheist at one point of her “lectures” and she claims,at another phase of her lectures,that she is a “Muslim Reformist”. An Atheist and a “Muslim Reformist” are simply incompatible. No way. I have tried hard to accommodate her claims,here,as Atheist and “Muslim Reformist” by looking for an opening to agree with her just once. I repeat: NO WAY,NO WAY.
* In Other segment of her “lectures”,she claims that Islam cannot be reformed and it is an impossible task to reform it. As One attempts to make sense of this point with the previous one,one will have: an Atheist who claims she is a “Muslim Reformist” and wants to reform Islam,which in her own words cannot be reformed. You figure such a nonsense. Here the degree of incompatibility has become so intense that makes listening to her rant is really wast of time.
Wafa Sultan desrves from me nothing but a profound contempt. And I am not a Muslim but spent years of my life in studying the Arabic language poetry and prose and meanwhile learning about the great religion of Islam. And the Wafa Sultans of the world cannot fool me for one single minute. I know the types. I had encounter them before,in time past. They are ready to sell their hearts,souls and minds for money,especially if they face financial difficulties. They are the lowest of the low(s).
December 3rd, 2009 at 6:07 am
One important point I have overlooked to point out in my earlier post is what Wafa Sultan said in one of her “lectures”. She said that and I quote her: “I believe king Abdullah (of Saudi Arabia) can change Islam overnight”
Based on what she has claimed at various times in her “lectures”,one has the following claims to contend with and attempt to comprehend,or at least, make some sense of her contradictory claims:
CLAIM ONE: She is an “Atheist”.
CLAIM TWO: She is a “Muslim Reformist”.
CLAIM THREE: She has Clamed that “Islam cannot be reformed”
CLAIM FOUR: She has claimed that “King Abdullah can change Islam overnight”.
I personally Could not make sense of the four contradictory claims cited above. Perhaps,somebody else can. If so,I certainly will appreciate reading.
December 3rd, 2009 at 7:35 am
Most comments here presume Islam is peaceful, civil, and just and hence people like Wafa are entirely wrong. But, she’s not. She’s exactly right. Islam is a supermicist, violent, and barbaric ideology. Wafa and others simply expose it for what it is. She’s a brave worrior for the truth and for our (free) way of life.
December 3rd, 2009 at 11:58 am
It is really sad…What leads one to have such intense hate and bias is beyond my comprehension!!!
December 3rd, 2009 at 12:38 pm
CAIR featured your Wafa Sultan report in their email alert today.
A brief excerpt of the CAIR email alert:
“CAIR is recommending that Congress pass the End Racial Profiling Act (ERPA) and the Fair, Accurate, Secure, and Timely Redress Act of 2009 (FAST Redress Act of 2009), and not offer a “legitimizing platform” to anti-Muslim bigots.
SEE: Anti-Islam Speaker Advocates Nuking Islam
http://www.loonwatch.com/2009/12/wafa-sultan-is-better-known-as-wafa-stalin-sultan/”
It would greatly benefit Muslim organisations in the USA to be aware of Loon Watch. CAIR is the biggest, but there are others too.
Obviously all publicity is good, and being mentioned in CAIR’s email alerts will make more people aware of Loon Watch.
Well done Loonwatch, and please let us know how the Ahavoth Synagogue speech goes. Did Rabbi Hausman disinvite Sultan or not? I’m curious about how many people attended, and stuff like that. Maybe readers in Stoughton, could dig a bit and let us all know here
Many Thanks.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:48 pm
How brave! Some Zionist lackey called for a-bombing Muslims, and a brave author here called her “Stalin”! Last time I cheked it, Stalin DID NOT bombed Japan, Trumen did it. But of course, Stalin is just a convinient curse word, while calling spade a spade - i.e. Western imperialism and USA prezes as its tools war criminals, racists and such are much less easy, and could even be seen as “anti-American”
I am an Atheist, and I am sick of people who denigrate Stalin (Lenin, no matter who) as a method to agree against WESTERN imperialist crimes.
December 3rd, 2009 at 1:58 pm
Lidia,
Relax. Of course Stalin didn’t bomb Japan, he only sent millions to the gulag and was an all around despotic totalitarian dictator. Also Wafa Sultan=Wafa Stalin is catchy.
December 3rd, 2009 at 2:30 pm
Yes, sure, Stalin was bad (every USA propaganda outlet will tell you it). But why pussifoot around USA crimes, which REALLY have something to do with Wafa? yes, it is “catchy” in a world of CIA-sponsored dissidents and their modern-day heirs. To call her Truman would be not so “catchy”. because, sure, what bad thing Truman did? Some USA “leftists” even call to Obama to behave as “brave” as Trumen did (in KOREA, no more no less!)
By the way, Stalin also DID NOT “sent millions to the gulag”. GULAG was “head office of camps”, and the Western usage of the word in meaning “a communist-organised hell” came from such big progressive as Soljenizin. But sure thing, USA did NOTHING so gross, USA rulers were all nice and NOT “dictators” (just ask some peoples OUT of USA), and, by the way “totalitarian” is ANOTHER catchy word without ANY real meaning, but used to whitewash imperilaism and capitalism, of wich Hitler was but a part. Churchill was a butcher of countless peoples all over the world, but of course, he was not Stalin, he was OK.
December 3rd, 2009 at 3:54 pm
Lidia,
Why are you defending Stalin? Are you a Stalinist or something? The man was a mass murderer. If the USA and Churchill have committed crimes then that does not absolve Stalin. That is some weird logic. Two wrongs don’t make a right, please attempt to be consistent with the values of human dignity and human rights.
The Soviets were imperialists as well, unless you have forgotten about that. I think you know about that history well enough don’t you?
December 3rd, 2009 at 8:30 pm
This woman is sick. Thus, she’s been selected for this task by trouble-making U.S. organizations. Surely her ‘job’ must have made her a multi-millionaire by now.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:58 am
Why are you defending USA imperialism - are you USA imperialist or something?(you own logic, sorry).
Now, if you are from the West, and talking about WESTERN-backed Zionist, WHY bring Stalin at all? (the only answer I could think about is- because it is LESS dangerous than speak out about your OWN imperialism and its own crimes).
Now, I am NOT going to argue with you about “Soviet imperialism”, because it has NOTHING to do with Wafa, but to call her Truman or Liberman (Avigdor , even though Joe would go as well) would be MUCH more suitable, if your post is about “nucing Arabs”
Then, you are talikng about “loonies” - OK, Wafa probably could be called such, but what about Hillary, who spoked about “obliterating Iran” for Israel’s sake? What about Obama who is waging 2 and a half colonial wars NOW and threatening Iran as well? I suppose there is a methods in their madness, and it is called USA imperialism and Zionism, not “Stalinism”.
In short, you shot looks a cheap one for me, and more important, a bit of whitewashing for REAL culprits in Wafa’s case.
By the way, Garibaldi was very popular in Russia, and during the civil war aganist white guard (supported by USA and UK and so on) at least one regiment of the Red Army was named in his honour.
December 4th, 2009 at 5:17 am
Appararently because Wafa Sultan is not making direct threats against individuals she cannot be arrested. She is making threats against a country.This was obviously a speech prepared by neo conservative Zionists who want the USA to use nuclear arsenal against Muslim countries.
Therefore I suggest that if we cannot ban speeches like this due to the free speech laws, then we too should respond in kind and call for the USA to use nuclear arsenal against Israel.
After all Israel is an occupying power.
Israel is dependent upon the USA for aid, without the US Israel would not last. Israel has nuclear weapons but she will never use them because the USA would rather lose Israel before losing the Arab nations whose oil they need.
Neo conservative Zionists who are paying people like Wafa Sultan and Shoebat and Brigette Gavriel know this, that’s why they try to agitate the US to use nuclear arsenal. They’re doing their level best to get the US in Iran. When Iran goes nuclear Israel will lose her regional dominance and will be worthless to the USA.
Can you imagine what Fox News and other neo conservative media would have to say if I stood up and said to a group of White supremacists, and Christian nationialists in America
…”you reversed the Japanese culture, the same, you might need to do it, you might need to do a heavy pressure, I cannot predict the kind of pressure, you understand it, I don’t have to say it.”
December 4th, 2009 at 11:49 am
Lidia,
This will be my last response to you. However, I want to thank you for your points, I understand what you are saying though you are taking it way out of context. I didn’t hint at defending any sort of Imperialism, whether Western or Soviet, but you did in your comment so your logic doesn’t apply sorry.
As far as Wafa Stalin, then it sounds very appropriate to me, almost like an anagram. Stalin “crushed” populations (same as Wafa wants to do), Stalin was a dictator (Wafa’s emotive and wild rhetoric, egotistic character remind me of dictators like Stalin who created a personality cult), Wafa like Stalin doesn’t believe in religious freedom but would rather deny it to Muslims which makes her an enemy to democracy and freedom.
If you look in the video her dress even resembles the Soviet era uniform.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:47 pm
60% r illiterate? exactly what is this woman on? where did whe get her figures from? from what i recall iraq and iran and so many other countries had the lowest illiteracy in all the world. yes many people r illiterate but most of them r very old, or to poor to get an education because we the west r so busy trying to destroy their countrieslives. i think this woman should not be telling people she is a muslim, because it is very clear is not. and if she is let her talk that way in front of her family that over seas and they would disown her for disrespecting them and their faiths.
December 4th, 2009 at 12:51 pm
sorry i didn’t proof read my post, i get so frustrated by such people that i can’t think straight.
December 4th, 2009 at 1:02 pm
I suggest you people read this article by freedman. he is very knowledgeable about the zionists and their ways. this should expain why people like wafa are around.
http://rainbowwarrior2005.wordpress.com/2009/11/30/a-jewish-defector-warns-america/
December 4th, 2009 at 1:11 pm
Really, I have not expected anything else, so you do not need to answer at all. To thank me “for points” is doubtless make you feel great, but for me it sounds as a pure mockery.
In Russia there is a good proverb about such sort of “catching” words - “for sake of a smart word he would not spare his own father”
Of course, Stalin is NOT your father, but it is clear for me that for you as for a lot of Western “progressives” USSR is still an easy butt of jokes, regardless of historic facts and even common sense (and decency).
I could only add - USSR was ruined (with the death and another form of ruin for millions of people all over the world) NOT without a help of a people like you, who knows too well how bad Stalin was, but really do not give a damn about my people for whom USSR was a homeland (a lot of them still think so), and about another peoples who suffered and still suffer (even more) NOT from Stalin, but from your own “non-dictator” rulers who all are for freedom of religion, rights of women and gay people and what not else pretext to bomb another “dictator’s state”.
It was people like you who said “we are against Bush, but Saddam is too bad” - so they are really have to look and see how better off Iraqis are without Saddam, thanks to Bush AND them.
And, by the way, Wafa is NOT about “doesn’t believe in religious freedom” ask her about such freedom for non-Muslims, and see. She is a tool of a Western imperialism, but you one more time prefers to spare us this fact and instead use a cheap “catching” words, like so many of your co-thinkers.
December 4th, 2009 at 2:05 pm
Dear Lidia
You are Russian? You did not understand what Gariboldi meant. This website mixes humour so Wafa Sultan sound like Wafa Stalin
In other words
Wafa Sultan
Wafa Stalin
The words almost match, and because he has almost the same surname as well as same genocidal fantasies, it’s funny and serious at the same time. It is a good choice. Gariboldi didn’t mean to insult Russia. He was merely comparing her fantasies to her namesake.
Lidia, if you look at Wafa Sultan’s speeches, and who hires her and pays her to speak, you will see they are the same people who pay other Islamofobes to incite and mislead the US publich. This is how they brought about the Iraq war.
December 4th, 2009 at 7:57 pm
Errr…what exactly is lidia on to here???
December 4th, 2009 at 10:49 pm
What a conceited, falsely confident witch (Not sure if I can fully write it). I’m an American Muslim and she is full of such sh*t as she tries to speak for us. Actually I’m thinking that she found her niche that she can make money off of, and she is milking it for all it is worth.
Its funny, she talks about how 80% of Muslims don’t know their book, yet I look at her and because she doesn’t know anything! I’d be LOLing if it wasn’t so sad that believe peopled the lies.
December 5th, 2009 at 3:13 am
“Lidia, if you look at Wafa Sultan’s speeches, and who hires her and pays her to speak, you will see they are the same people who pay other Islamofobes to incite and mislead the US publich. This is how they brought about the Iraq war.”
Yes, sure, but WHAT it all has to do with Stalin? NOTHING. But the author does NOT called her Wafa Truman or Wafa Clinton, or Wafa Liberman, so I see it as a misleading and not very honest.
iSherif , I am ONLY trying to make a point about calling Wafa name which is NOT suitable at all, while sparing real culprits - i.e. USA imperialist and Zionists.
December 5th, 2009 at 12:52 pm
Lidia
I am sorry that your feelings were hurt but you’re way off base here. I can see where you’re coming from, and understand what you say about imperialism, even understand you being offended if you are Russian, but genocide is not the same as imperialism. Nor was the term “WAFA STALIN” meant to be a slur on Russians.
You can be an imperialist without genocide, for example a lot of the US military bases in other countries around the world, are there by mutual consent of the host country. Others have financial incentives offered, in the form of aid either in dollars or weapons. This involves some form of MUTUAL agreement between America and the beneficiary nations.
I am not saying the US has not been responsible for genocide at times, (perhaps the worst form was the genocide of native Indians, and other military adventures for selfish reasons) but that IMPERIALISM does not mean GENOCIDE.
“But the author does NOT called her Wafa Truman or Wafa Clinton, or Wafa Liberman, so I see it as a misleading and not very honest.”
With all due respect, I have to disagree. It wasn’t at all misleading or dishonest. Actually, Wafa Stalin was a brilliant choice for these reasons:-
Neither Truman, Clinton, nor Lieberman have called for the genocide of Muslims, if I’m mistaken, please post some examples.
When you say Lieberman I presume, you mean the Israeli Lieberman? Lieberman has called for a population exchange in Israel. He feels that a large Muslim majority would mean the Jews would not have a state that would be Jewish. His feelings being that Israel at least should be one place where Jews can be Jews freely. As repugnant as that may sound, it still doesn’t equal to a call for genocide, unless he had said they should be exterminated.
His politics include suggestions that Palestinians and Muslim Israeli’s should leave by population transfer, between other Muslim countries. He did not advocate genocide like Wafa Sultan was doing.
Stalin on the other hand HAS presided over the genocide of his own people and like Wafa Stalin, he wanted to exterminate religions by killing it’s practitioners. Stalin gave EXPLICIT ORDERS to his Bolshevik underlings, some of them very eager to exterminate those Russians who practiced religion. Christians in particular were murdered by Bolsheviks with zeal, some used to throw 3 year old babies in boiling water others used to nail babies to crosses.
Did Truman, Clinton or the dislikable Lieberman preside or plan to preside over a genocide of a religious group? Wafa Sultan want’s to.
Wafa Sultan advocates a genocide of Muslims. Stalin actively ordered a genocide of his own people.
Therefore WAFA STALIN is the perfect choice, because Sultan rhymes and is almost an anagram of Stalin.
There are of course other genocidal men in history, like Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot, but STALIN is the only one that really goes with SULTAN.
So, I hope this incident doesn’t put you off, we’re not anti Russian here, and remember Stalin killed more Russians than anyone.
Please continue to add your input here, it would be nice to have Russian perpective on things:)
December 5th, 2009 at 1:18 pm
and to Loon Watch, may I suggest that you include Wafa Sultan Stalin in your roll call of loons in your website header above.
You already have,
Robert Spencer| Pamela Geller| Bat Ye’or| Brigitte Gabriel| Daniel Pipes| Debbie Schlussel| Walid Shoebat| Joe Kaufman| Fathima Rifqa Bary| Geert Wilders| The Nuclear Card
It’s high time this odious * of a woman was put up there, I mean Rifqa Bary has a lot of growing up to do yet, so she can be excused for what she says. I’m sure when Rifqa is older, she will hate those who exploited here, but Wafa Sultan Stalin is in her fifties.
Garibaldi,
In your article above, it may be worth editing it, to include one salient fact, namely the rejection that Alawites feel from Muslims.
Alawites, are rejected by mainstream Islam, as being outside the bounds of faith. I think they attribute partners to God. Thus they resent being shunted out like this.
A parallel situation like this exists amongst Jews, where they have Messianic Jews, who are in reality a Christian sect masquerading as Jews. Judaism rejects Messianics as being Jews, they’re considered Christians, and this has led to clashes in Israel, where the Orthodoxy has reacted to their underhanded means to convert Jews to Christianity by pretending to be Jews. Joel Rosenberg, CUFI, and other missionary groups like to target Jews like this, under the guise of philo semitism and “support for Israel” Their mission is to turn Israel Christian.
The fact that WAfa Sultan Stalin belonged to this minority Alawite could be one of the reasons she identifies with what she considers are other “rejects” by Muslims.
In her stupid ignorant bigotry, she doesn’t realise that Muslims are not Anti Jewish, the ill feeling that is there is there is due to the Israeli Palestinian politics, that began in the late 1800’s and today, because of the Israeli occupations. Alawites will always be outside the mainstay of Islam, because they reject the oneness of God. The Jews, on the other hand are monotheistic and do not call themselves Muslims like Alawites do, so so she is confusing a lot here.
In other words, as a “reject” she thinks she has found an ally in what she considers are other “rejects”. Just look how this pea brained, genocidal woman thinks,
By the way, what happened to Sultan Stalin’s website? She doesn’t appear to have a web presence, and does she still live in the USA? Does anyone know if she has a new website or if she blogs now and where?
December 5th, 2009 at 5:19 pm
Today, Richard Silverstein wrote about another Mark Halawa, a Muslim with Zionist roots (or so he claims) who contacted him through Aish Ha Torah, after writing an essay about his grandmother’s Zionist background. Richard was sceptical about his motives, and his tongue in cheek piece about Mark makes for a humourous read.
Mark Halawa is no Wafa Sultan, but Aish Ha Torah, may well groom him to be an “ex Muslim” like Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat and other frauds, so that they can use him in their far right Kahane agenda to smear Islam.
Be aware that Aish Ha Torah, is the same organisation that is behind the Clarion Fund, that funded “Obsession”, and another anti Islam movie. They regularly trot out “ex Muslims” who are usually frauds,
Mark Halawa, Aish’s Manchurian Muslim
December 5th, 2009
http://www.richardsilverstein.com/tikun_olam/2009/12/05/mark-halawa-aishs-manchurian-muslim/
December 5th, 2009 at 11:26 pm
Exactly as I expected it. So, the fans of Wafa “Stalin” are going to DEFEND even Liberman - the person who not so long ago spoke about NUKING GAZA! A nice defenders Liberman has, congrats. Of course, to whitewash imperialism (the same “non-genocidal” imperialism wich are NOW busy in “non-genocide” of Iraqis, Afghans, Pakistans and - by proxi - Palestinians), one has to find ANOTHER aim - preferebly the aim of propaganda by the same imperialism. Thank you very much for providing me with a true incight into the world of such “defenders” of Muslims. Now, I am NOT a Muslim, I am an Atheist, but I could smell imperialist crimes (and their defenders), no matter against whom - Russians, Muslims or peoples of other countries and faith.
By the way, all people here who asked whether I am a Russian - they just should read what I have written - the matter is NOT about Russia, but about imperialist CRIMES - yes, imperilaism IS criminal, and one of its crimes is SPONSORING Wafa - but I guess I am wasting words here.
PS”Stalin actively ordered a genocide of his own people” - I would ask for PROOF (a real one, of course) but NOT from such person as Nabeela.
December 6th, 2009 at 3:45 am
Lidia
I am a Muslim, and I am not “defending” imperialism. This article and my message is about Wafa Sultan not imperialism. I didn’t defend Lieberman either, and I didn’t know about his threat to nuke Gaza, a cursory check on google confirmed that. Now you will accuse me of defending Lieberman, if I say, Israel withdrew from Gaza, and Hamas continued firing rockets, which was against an agreement that the two sides had, so do you think it can be compared to the situation with Stalin?
I’m curious…. you have not offered any reasons as to why STALIN should not be used or is inappropriate. You have only made references to, to alternative candidates. You also question motives, when “motives” had nothing to do with the choice. As for proof, well history records what Stalin did..but your comment for proof infers that you think he was set up or blamed for something he wasn’t responsible for?
December 7th, 2009 at 3:45 pm
Lidia,
Are you serious? Where has anyone defended the odious Avigdor Lieberman here? The man is a fascist and a murderer from what I have read and heard but is he in the same league as Stalin? I doubt it, hopefully he won’t reach a position of power where he can emulate Stalin.
December 7th, 2009 at 3:51 pm
Nabeela,
As fas as adding the point that Alawies are a rejected sect amongst the majority of Muslims, I think it is a point that doesn’t add anything to the article and might be more for the edification of a particular group rather then for informative purposes.
We will also have a forthcoming piece on Wafa Sultan’s appearance at the behest of the “betraying Rabbi” Hausman. I have been following it for a while now since I learned that Ahavath Torah would be hosting her.
Thanks.
-Garibaldi
December 11th, 2009 at 11:44 am
“During the question and answer session she divides moderate Muslims into three categories: 1.) a majority, 80% who are unaware of the real teachings of Islam, 2.) huge chunks of them are practicing Taqiyyah, 3.) a very small progress ive group who have no effect. All talking points from the far right-wing.”
This is what bothers me the most, when she says 80% are unaware of the real teachings of Islam. Are you really going to try to suggest that? thats over a billion people, many who are sheiks, scholars, imams, or just happen to be very faithful and know much mroe then you do. Don’t try to suggest I’m ignorant of my own beliefs. After all, can you prove it?
December 18th, 2009 at 11:46 pm
Lidia shut up.. just get over it Stalin, Hitler, Truman.. they are burning in Hell
December 20th, 2009 at 8:11 pm
This Wafa Sultan is one sick cookie but at least she knows how to milk these suckers for their money. This skunk is out there to make money by saying things that some ignorant people want to heat. Pay this nut cracker no attention shes a fake
December 23rd, 2009 at 11:30 pm
Unfortunately there is no choice but to pay attention to loud cretins like Sultan, oops sorry, Stalin. She makes a lot of contradictory claims and is helped by a lot of influential people, so this is a good start to exposing her.
December 30th, 2009 at 7:07 am
Nabeela,when Muslims start calling other people names who differ with them,that proves that they have lost the argument.Wafa Sultan is a highly educated,which unfortunately you are not.You are just hungry for limelight.Why do you not approach Saudi-Arabia for financing you as they finance Zakir Naik of India.He propagates THE LIE,WHOLE LIE and NOTHING but THE LIE through so called PEACE CHANNEL.You suffer from TRUTHOPHOBIA.It is only the TRUTH which could set you free.You come from Pakistan and deeply subservient to Arabian Imperialist Ideology.you face Mecca five times a day for your Robotic exercises because Allah is confined in Mecca.
December 30th, 2009 at 10:29 am
Oh give it up ‘lawrence’! Sultan is a known charlatan, you bang on about her education- well none of it is in Islamic studies- whether theology or history. She has been exposed and only blind Muslim hating crazies like you laud her as hero.
You know nothing about Nabeela to claim she is Pakistani or not educated. Quit ranting, I realise you can’t say anything with a point so don’t say anything at all!
December 30th, 2009 at 2:07 pm
Dear Laurence,
You’re not making sense, i’ve crossed paths with you here in my other monikers i use here, anti-crusader, neo-con watch, proud muslim, they’re all me and i think ive hammered you several times.
Not sure what you mean by i’m from Pakistan, arabian imperialist, subserviant…huh? Oh I get it…are you fishing for information so you can track the posters here and get them to unwittingly say who or what they are? Sorry, i’m not taking the bait. Dream on.
Our grudge is not against Wafa Stalin being intelligent, it’s that she pretends to be Muslim when she is an Alawite, (they are wannabe Muslims and resent the fact we don’t accept them as Muslims), and that she lies about Islam when she was raised in secular baathist Syria, and that she is paid to spread lies. Ironically she is rejected by those of influence, power, those who matter,
She is only accepted by the Zionist right wing, and the low lifes like Rabbi Hausman, they’re all Likudniks, and they know they have no hope of convincing the US to support territorial expansion in Israel or to approve the occupation except by pretending that Islam is a threat to the USA.
Most Americans are wise to that now, but for a while they were fooled, some still are, and that’s why we are here.
Tell me, look how many millions the neo cons spend to spread Islamophobia and what did they achieve ? Evangleism on the decline in America, Americans turning against Israel as the truth becomes clear (douglas feith, and OSP come to mind) and 3 MILLION CONVERTS TO ISLAM.
Tch Tch, Such is the superiority of Islam:) Excuse my sounding like an Islamic supremacist.
I’m far from ignorant, and i know your type very well. i’m always one step ahead of you.
December 31st, 2009 at 7:31 am
Nabeela,Wahabis consider all the other sects of Islam Kafirs even the SHIAS,whose founder was the grand-son of your prophet.Are you also a Wahabi?Try to read Anwar Sheikhs book which describes Islam as Arabian Imperialism.Try to understand Islam with an unbiased critical eye.It has pagan roots.It is based on hatred for others.You can never have peace in life with the Ideology of hate called Islam.Read Sura 8 and 9.Also Quran tells you not to make friends with the JEWS and Christians Sura5:51.How would you explain that the verse comes from God not Satan?
December 31st, 2009 at 8:26 am
“Wahabis consider all the other sects of Islam Kafirs even the SHIAS,whose founder was the grand-son of your prophet.Are you also a Wahabi?”
even if some extremist wahabis do believe that, how does that differ from christianity which sees all as kafirs unless you believe in jesus as god? how does that differ from some orthodox judaism sects which sees those who are non bani noach as idolators worthy of death? that includes christianity, which is seen as an idolatory in judaism.
all the monotheisitic religions have sects which consider all others as Kafirs. Don’t be a hypocrite. You call me a pagan,(as a Muslim) and dare to complain of Wahabi’s seeing you as a pagan? why don’t you go to an orthodox jewish site and ask them what they think of your pagan religion?
“Try to understand Islam with an unbiased critical eye.It has pagan roots.It is based on hatred for others.You can never have peace in life with the Ideology of hate called Islam.”
I have peace of mind, and i do understand and why are so many pagans, converting to it if we do not look at it with a critical eye? You’re not making sense.
The verses you posted dont mean what you said they do. Why don’t you go to Islamic sites to learn what they mean, before parroting the Islamophobic lies you have been fed.
You cannot understand the Quran, (word of God) without the accompanying Hadeeths (oral law, how the Prophet told us to follow). You have to study both together otherwise you can take one verse and make it mean anything you want. Every verse has mountains of learning to go with it. Every verse has a context, a history, behind it. You didn’t mention which verse, so i don’t know what you mean. Why don’t you try checking the Islamic websites, instead of the Islamophobic ones? If i want to learn about your religion should i go to your enemy to learn?
Islams roots are not pagan, it’s an Ibrahimi religon. Paganism is Pauls’ religion. It was foretold in the Old Testament, as i showed you in theother thread. Ishamel settled in Mecca. The Prophet descended from Ishmael, his descendents fell into paganism until the Prophet returned them back to the religion of their forefather.
Wahabism is one interpretation of Islam, a strict one, mainly practiced in Saudi Arabia, and Qatar. Terrorism doesn’t come from Wahabism, even Dore Gold came to that conclusion, read his book
“Wahabis consider all the other sects of Islam Kafirs even the SHIAS,whose founder was the grand-son of your prophet.Are you also a Wahabi?”
Prejudice against Shia doesn’t have to be from Wahabi’s. And shia can be just as militiant in their hatred of Sunni. the underlying reason is usually something else, territorial or land rights, or other power.
The truth is most shia and sunni have no problem getting on, but there are some who take things to extremes. As in Protestant v Catholic,
unless you bring an Islamic source to back up what you say, dont make these baseless accusations here. Just to show you how off base you are Dore Gold wrote this book,
“Hatred’s kingdom: how Saudi Arabia supports the new global terrorism”
Look it up on amazon. This is supposed to be a critical study as the title suggests, and dore gold is the former Israeli ambassador. BUT EVEN HE CAME TO THE CONCLUSION THAT WAHABISM IS NOT THE CAUSE OF TERRORISM.
Only Saudi Arabia and Qatar are Wahabi countries. 4% of Muslims are wahabi. Why havn’t Qatari’s who are devout Wahabis been involved in terrorism?
You are confusing desert and tribal culture thousands of years old, with Wahabism. Wahabism on it’s own, is just one interpretation of Islam. There is nothing in it that calls for hatred of non Muslims or other Muslims.
Why don’t you read about it and then question, instead of parroting nonsense.
January 15th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Thank GOD we have Wafa Sultan in the west! We don’t want any more muslims and their hate ideology either in the USA or Europe. They have 47 other nations to chose from to live their hatred out in and don’t need to import it to our part of the world. I dealt 10 years with Muslims and their so called faith in the middle east. A more evil human creature is difficult to find. I have never seen to many human beings commit so many evils! They are not a creature of God - they are demonic. No country that house muslims have respect for them. As they witness the evil that is so inborn in Muslims, they want nothing to do with them, be it in India, Indonesia, Europe, South America - doesn’t matter. Muslims have lost the respect of the entire world.
January 18th, 2010 at 8:31 pm
I am from the Netherlands and Geert Wilders and the people who love him, are hunting on Muslim and Moroccan people in our country.
I have a list about the plans Wilders make and want to use when he become the president of the Nederlands.
Closing Mosques
Close of Islamic schools
Exclusion of Muslims in our military
No Imams in our military
Headscarf tax only for Muslim women
Muslim women are street polluters
Exclude marriages and the right of a normal family life in our country for immigrants
Deportation of Muslims
A stadium ban only for Moroccans
The shooting in Morocco knees
Ban the Quran
Prohibition to the confession of Islam
Ban on children’s programs that highligts Islamic things like sugarfeast.
Parlement qustions about a childrens song from 1993 that had Allah akbar in it, but the song was about a girl who had a morrocon father and Dutch mother and where she wants to live.
Muslims as terrorists
Remove Article 1 of the Dutch constitution to bash legal Moroccan and Muslims as minorities and put away to suppress.
When we turn Muslims into Jew, we have almost the same with Jews before the war started.
Closing synagogue
Close of Jewish schools
Exclusion of Jews in our military
No Rabbi in our military
Headscarf tax only for Jewish women
Jewish women are street polluters
Exclude marriages and the right of a normal family life in our country for Jews
Deportation of Jews
A stadium ban only for Jews
The shooting in Jewish knees
Ban the Thora
Prohibition to the confession of Judaism
Ban on children’s programs that highligts Judaism things like Pesach
Parlement qustions about a childrens song from 1993 that had G’d in it, but the song was about a girl who had a Jewish father and Dutch mother and where she wants to live.
Jews as terrorists
Remove Article 1 of the Dutch constitution to bash legal Jews as minorities and put away to suppress.
Silent detail about Geert Wilders and some members of his parliamentary party.
Hero Brinkman called the director of the Bellamy area, cause he was a dirty cop, beaten a barman in last september cause he was drunk and the barman didn’t give him more alcohol.
(google words are —hero brinkman slaat barman)
http://www.nu.nl/algemeen/2088264/excuses-pvv-kamerlid-intimidatie-barman.html
Number two is Dion Gaus, a man who beaten his 8 month old pregnant woman in the Netherlands and an ex girlfriend in Belgium.
There were 6 complains against this man.
This link is in Dutch but i guess you can translate it.
http://www.limburger.nl/article/20080923/DOSSIERS/525774611/1045
Geert Wilders is a one man party with the name PVV party of freedom (yeah right, only for those who love Geert Wilders)
And in his parliamentary party he has 8 people who speak for him.
But its Geert who is the King of his parliamentary.
Geert Wilders speaks his hate about Muslims in Holland, US, UK Denmark etc, but never debat with Muslims.
Muslim groups in our country asked him sereval times to talk with them, but Geert never wants to talk with Muslims.
Lots of people in Holland are afraid of this man and the people who stand by him.
This man is full with hate of Muslims and Morrocan people.
And so are his fans.
January 18th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
@Florint
“Lots of people in Holland are afraid of this man and the people who stand by him.”
Thanks for the info! Why do you think people are afraid of Wilders? What sort of connections does he have? I know he has connections with Israel (he’s visited it over 40 times), do you think that’s the reason? Does Dutch media go easy on him? In interviews, do reporters challenge his bigoted and racist views? What are the chances of him gaining more power in Parliament?
Sorry for all the questions. I’m curious since you’re a native and I don’t know much about Dutch society.
January 18th, 2010 at 11:50 pm
@Yusuf and florint
an even bigger question… Is he POPULAR!
January 19th, 2010 at 1:41 am
bandy:A more evil human creature is difficult to find.
How about yourself?
February 2nd, 2010 at 6:01 pm
Wafa Sultan is advocating terrorism according to the Oxford English Dictionary (O.E.D.) of the word when she talks about bombing.
February 27th, 2010 at 7:29 am
Only “argument” of muslims when they face the truth? “you are liar” …. so sad.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:04 am
@ Ben
And how would you know that?…Or do you just rely on the kind of garbage you’re brain washed with by the Anti-Islamic haters? So sad.