I am a little apprehensive in writing this piece because I don’t want to give more credence or traffic to some back water unknown Islamophobe then he deserves. However, I do think it is instructional considering the persistent affection and repetition with which they hold one particularly morbid fantasy: bombing Mecca.
I could go into a historical analysis of what we call the Nuclear Card, charting how various belligerents starting from the Crusader Raynald of Chatillon all the way to Tom Trancredo in the present day have employed the threat of destroying Mecca and Medina for their cause but I will leave that for another day.
In this case we have Bob Beers writing for the Canada Free Press which surprisingly gets a lot of traffic while peddling in some of the most hate filled and racist commentary on the internet but more on that later.
By Bob Beers Friday, November 6, 2009
Major Malik Hassan, after being transferred from Walter Reed Hospital to Fort Hood decided to celebrate his promotion and transfer by shouting “God is great” in Arabic while gunning down a dozen of his fellow soldiers.
The mainstream media is falling all over itself today in an attempt to somehow paint this domestic Islamic terrorist as the victim rather than the perpetrator. Muslim-friendly to the point of being Muslim-centric, the news networks are even trying to do their reporting without mentioning the killer’s name.
It has been grudgingly revealed that Hassan had months before posted the glorification of suicide bombers on his own web site. There is information trickling out of Walter Reed that his promotion and transfer were not so much a reward but a way for the hospital to get rid of him. Can you imagine what the reporting would be like if his last name had been Smith and he was a Southern Baptist? How about if the web site had glorified the pro-life agenda? No, the news wouldn’t be at all politically correct, it would be screaming for the death penalty.
How many more innocents must be killed by islamofascists before that glorified cult is recognized for what it is? Adherents of the world’s most violent and intolerant religion flew terrified passengers into the World Trade Center’s towers screaming the same line Hassan yelled out as the coward machine-gunned down his fellow soldiers. Nearly every day we read about some innocent young girl being killed by her own relatives because she “dishonored” her family by doing something non-Islamic. I have come to believe that a devout Muslim is incapable of anything close to real love. A loving father would die to save his daughter’s life, not the honor of a phony religion. In reality they more closely resemble trained beasts rather than people. People simply do not act in that fashion on a regular basis. People have aberrations and in some cases will act stupidly or violently, but unless there is a real problem with their mental/emotional makeup they do not act as an Islamist does.
Before you come out of the woodwork to accuse me of not knowing what I’m writing about, let me assure you that I do. I spent a number of years studying comparative religion, including the one started by an Arab thief/con man/thug/pedophile named Muhammad. The worship of the Babylonian Moon God Allah was at one time a minor religion among hundreds in the Babylonian Empire. The followers of that religion had to make a pilgrimage to the temple each year and touch the idol of Allah in order to keep their ticket to heaven active. When Muhammad fanatically decided to revitalize his fading religion, the remnant of the idol was placed in Mecca where it still rests as the so-called “black rock”. Followers of Islam still must pay homage to that idol in order to fulfill their religious duty. If that duty is unfulfilled, they are out. So, what if the rock no longer exists? Hmmm? An interesting thought.
Some have posited that if something happened to the idol, the world’s Muslims would riot, throwing the world into gory chaos. They may be partially right, but not all would do this and if the world’s armies were diligent, it would be a good way of clearing out the villains. Even with that, I think the world would be better off because the Islamofascists would no longer have any hope of making it to their 72 virgins, regardless of how many school children they slaughtered. You cannot sacrifice to an idol that doesn’t exist.
If I were President this is what I would tell the Saudis, If one more terrorist incident happens in the US by any sect of your religion, even if you didn’t order it, say goodbye to your temple. Do you think there would be a few orders sent out to the training camps?
Well, at least I can dream.
Bob Beers no doubt is a sick puppy with sick dreams of apocalyptic chaos and destruction, he is not as sophisticated as a Robert Spencer who doesn’t condemn the idea of bombing Mecca but only thinks it’s a bad idea on practical grounds. What never fails to surprise me is the utter stupidity and lack of logic of die hard anti-Muslim Islamophobes like Beers. In their warped rationale threatening to bomb Mecca would some how deter terrorists instead of emboldening them. The fact is that if the US government or any government for that fact were crazy enough to follow up on the dreams of Bob Beers it would practically set the whole Muslim world, all 1.5 billion against the West.
We can rest assured at night that at the helm of our governments at the moment we have rational players who won’t succumb to such nightmarish fantasies, but who is to say that will always be the case? God forbid that a Sarah Palin type of politician were to become president, if that were to happen it would be cause enough to move the hand on the Nuclear Clock closer to doomsday.
Yet, why do so many take the Canada Free Press seriously? Their social networking editor is a ninth grader by the name of Chase Clift who in his spare time likes to volunteer for the Southern Secessionist Movement and also works for the Confederate Liberation Society which extols the virtues of the Confederacy and revisits history to condemn Abraham Lincoln. The Society’s goal is “an official Peace Treaty signed with the United States of America and a swift transfer of all powers to the government of the Confederate States of America.”
So much for their ramblings about being patriotic Americans, and one has to ask the seminal question of Robert Spencer here, “why are you listed as one of the columnists on Canada Free Press?”
January 4th, 2010 at 2:46 pm
I’ve stopped reading comics and just come here for a laugh. 1) what is Muslim-centric? 2) I won’t check out his site, I trust you guys.
January 4th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
Did Bob Beers have too many beers when he wrote this? LOL
Now and then these Islamophobes come out of the closet to threaten. Somehow they’ve got it in their mind that destroying Mecca would be the end of Islam.
Mecca can be destroyed by an earthquake, it wouldn’t mean the end of Islam. Not all Muslims make the Hajj pilgramage anyway. But all have Al Quran. The spirit of Islam is in Al Quran which God promised to protect for all eternity.
The power of Islam does not lie in a city, it’s in the Quran, so even if Mecca were to vanish the faith will be here till Yom al Qiyamah.
On the positive side, bombing Mecca would unite the Ummah, put an end to petty quarrels, Sunni V Shia
So….if bombing Mecca would unite the 1.4billion Muslims…then..
By the way, didn’t The Prophet foretell, that an earthquake would tear the earth, and that his city would lie in ruins?
January 4th, 2010 at 3:43 pm
Bob Beers is right. The Romans smashed up the Jews’ main monument, and the Jews just gave up and stopped doing anything Jewish. They didn’t even feel sore about it.
January 4th, 2010 at 3:48 pm
So what’s the difference between Bob Beers and Osama Bin Laden? If we locked them in a room together, they’d probably morph into a single green blob called ‘The Thing’, unstoppable by everyone except Harrison Ford.
Just a thought…
January 4th, 2010 at 3:53 pm
Obviously an ignorant twerp writing for a backwater paper yes, this Bob
Beers thinks that Muslims worship a black stone. He ends with
“well at least i can dream”
What? why leave it a dream? You mean to say you’re not man enough to try yourself? Coward!
If Canada falls it will be because of people like him.
His writings are typical trashy right wing extremist, typically he is anti-Obama, and I bet he is a “christian zionist”
Author Profile
Bob Beers
Bob L. Beers was a member of the Nevada Assembly representing District 21 in Clark County, Nevada. Prior to his election in 2006, he was an author involved in graphic arts and illustration.
Originally from Eureka, California, Beers attended Arcata High School and Humboldt State College. He currently resides in Henderson, Nevada with his wife and son.
Bob can be reached at: bobbeers@cox.net
January 4th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
Honor. Killings. Has. Absolutely. Nothing. To. Do. With. Islam. Period. We even have proof to back it up. We even have proof to back it up.
January 4th, 2010 at 7:22 pm
Hey Alex
“Bob Beers is right. The Romans smashed up the Jews’ main monument,”
Judaism exists without the Temple or even the land.
“and the Jews just gave up and stopped doing anything Jewish. They didn’t even feel sore about it”
Not so! The Torah and Tanakh define Jewishness
Enjoy this video:)
http://www.aish.com/v/50574057.html
THE SECRET OF JEWISH SUCCESS
January 4th, 2010 at 7:25 pm
Read some of the comments posted in response to the article:
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“I say let the bombs fall where they may!!! Bye bye mecca… so sad to see you go… may all your freakish followers/believers go the same way.
By the way, I don’t condone violence, but they (the muslim freaks who worship their false pathetic god allah) did start it after all. Bye bye freaks… we’ll see about those virgins won’t we?!!
Posted by Rachel on 11/07 at 01:59 AM | #”
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Wow. So they would kill 1.6 bilion muslims because of an incredibly low number of people who claims to be muslims and commits crimes in the name of Islam. By this logic, Italy should ethnic-cleanse the island of Sicily, killing milions of people there, because in that island there is the headquarter and leaders of the Mafia.
And since every human community has its own criminals, how about we just exterminate the whole human race ?
January 4th, 2010 at 7:51 pm
Bob Beers isn’t the only Canadian calling for nuking Mecca, check out the filth by this Zionist dude Brad Kostynuik pen name Wharold of Rock Paper Internet in Calgary, alberta, who like Bob Beers, writes for backwater Canadian and Zionist publications, comments and blogs, he too fantazises about nuking mecca, killing muslims, he claims to burn the Koran, his wife Brandi Dickam was the Editor of Western Standard Canada,
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?t=223836
http://palestinian.ning.com/profiles/blogs/exposing-zionist-extremists
January 5th, 2010 at 1:21 am
I live in Britain (and I am a Muslims), what is ‘Global Jihad’? The American’s press/commentators keep using this word - LOL! it sounds like a word you would hear in a Hollywood film or a cartoon.
January 5th, 2010 at 3:13 am
Alex, you said
*Bob Beers is right.*
If the US did do what Bob Bers wants, remember Islam wouldn’t die, but the US would be history.
….Oil sales to the USA would immediately stop and diverted to China instead or even given free. That would render the US military impotent.
…All trade to the USA with Muslim countries would halt, (thats a quarter of the world’s population and would ensure the demise of the dollar overnight.
Within a few days, certainly a few weeks, the US would be history. Mexico or Brazil or one of the neighboring countries would move in and take over.
January 5th, 2010 at 6:00 am
Why not also wipe Medina off the map, while we are on the job?
January 5th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Unfortunetly there is a nuclear power a lot closer to any of the Holy Sites than the USA or Iran .
I worry it is more likely to do some thing as stupid as this than the USA or Iran.
January 5th, 2010 at 7:18 am
Kafir Harby
Who do you mean by “while we are on the job?”, who is the “we?”
Are you a Kahanist fifth columnist pretending to be speaking for America? Are you blind to anti Zionist feeling on the rise in the US? Please allow me to enlighten you…you spend too much time in your miserable dar al harb to know what’s going on in the real world
The chances of the US dropping a nuclear bomb on Israel are a million times higher than on Medina or Mecca. All the Arab countries need to do is switch off the oil, and sell to China or Russia instead. Both Russia and China would be happy to take on a US with no oil to feed it’s military machine.
No US President, not even the neo con Bush would nuke either Mecca or Medina or take on the Muslim world (see what Bush said below in an unguarded moment)
So, if the less than intelligent, incoherant, totally unaware of reality George Bush could see that he’d lose a war against Islam…I don’t know who else could be dumb enough to bring about their own destruction
BUSH: ‘IF IT’S ABOUT CHRISTIANITY VERSUS ISLAM, WE’LL LOSE’ - TOP
Atlanta Journal, 9/17/06
http://www.ajc.com/metro/content/shared-blogs/ajc/politicalinsider/entries/2006/09/17/an_evening_with_ann_and_lynn.html
Though he said this session was supposed to be off the record, Gallagher
described it at some length, including Bush’s observation to the
right-wing radio jocks that “the War on Terror has to be about right versus wrong, because if it’s about Christianity versus Islam, we’ll
lose.”
January 5th, 2010 at 7:34 am
It’s well known that Al Qaeda and other Jihadi’s want to get their hands on nuclear weapons. They also do their darndest and often fail to get moderate and mainstream Muslims on to “their side”. To this end they have tried many tactics to drive a wedge between them and the US. During the US elections, Al Qaeda didn’t want Obama to win, because they knew he’d appeal to those they were courting. They wanted McCain because they knew the neo cons would continue with their wars on Islamic countries, thus alienating more and more Muslims.
Obama’s winning the election was a disappointment for them.
American’s think Al Qaeda want want to use dirty nuclear bombs to wreak havoc upon American cities. This is the line they have been fed, and i don’t doubt that Al Qaeda would do that if they could.
But if Al Qaeda’s goal is to destroy the USA, there is another way that they can acheive that, if their thinking is Machievellian enough..without even setting foot in the US,
If they used nuclear weapons to destroy Mecca or Medina or both in such a way that America was blamed, the resulting worldwide fury in every city on the planet with Muslim populations, would be unprecedented.
There would be no better way to pitch the US against the entire Muslim world!
January 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am
I’ve heard ppl saying they want to stop Muslim immigration in America. If they love their country so much, they should definitly remember the one of the most important ammendments, freedom of religion.
January 5th, 2010 at 7:40 am
I’ve heard ppl saying they want to stop Muslim immigration in America. If they love their country so much, they should definitly remember the one of the most important ammendments, freedom of religion.
January 5th, 2010 at 11:50 am
“How many more innocents must be killed by islamofascists before that glorified cult is recognized for what it is?”
Answer: 213.6
Why 213? Why .6? I have no idea. All I can say is, word on the street is: 213.6.
Better question: How many more columns do assclowns like this have to write before the entire newspaper medium itself implodes like the ball of hot gas it has become?
January 5th, 2010 at 12:53 pm
You guys don’t understand!
The point of bombing Mecca is to prove to you doughnuts that your god allah does not exist and therefore cannot protect his ‘holiest’ of cities.
It wouldn’t work, though… your’re too stupid to make the logical connection.
January 5th, 2010 at 1:44 pm
Does that mean you believe God doesn’t exist because your “holiest” was destroyed by the Romans? If that’s what doughnuts like you believe, you’re basically lamenting the we’re not as stupid as you, huh Dolly?
Or,
let’s look to the future, Iran is going to go nuclear this year or in the next few years..if Iran then nukes Israel and wipes her off the face of the map, would that prove that your God doesn’t exist?
Enquiring minds want to know how Dolly the Doughnut would make that connection!
January 5th, 2010 at 2:00 pm
Proud Muslim, have you read Robert Ferrigno’s Prayers for the Assassin by any chance?
January 5th, 2010 at 2:14 pm
This is the one strategy GUARANTEED to work. The warning would be made to all moslems, not just Saudi Arabia.
Any impartial observer would have to agree to this strategy, and conclude that yes, it would definitely work.
Any moslem that truly believes that islam is the relion of Peace would also have to agree.
And yes, if Christians were daily blowing things up and slaughtering unbelievers, I would readily agree to the same strategy on the Vatican.
January 5th, 2010 at 2:17 pm
Islam Built The West, I think you’ve forgotten about something called the “Fischer-Tropsch process”. Both the Nazis and the Afrikaners used it to make oil from coal, because no-one would sell them oil…
January 5th, 2010 at 2:34 pm
Calling other people too stupid to make a logical connection when you fail to say anything logical is really….stupid.
All bombing Mecca would prove is that the so-called enlightened and free Western world is full of baying hyenas (like you) who victimise anyone who disagrees with their vision of the world.
The fact that you think it is OK to kill millions of people makes you the same as any Al-Qaeda lunatic, if not worse..
January 5th, 2010 at 3:07 pm
I am hearing a lot in the MSM about a UK guy called Anjem Choudary. He seems to be the UK’s Islamic equivalent of “Bonkers” Bob Beers, except he doesn’t seem to want to bomb anything, just upset the recently bereaved in Wooton Bassett (an Army town).
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/politics/defence/6929708/Muslim-cleric-Anjem-Choudary-admits-Wootton-Bassett-march-is-publicity-stunt.html
Now, I am in favour of peaceful protest, but I think choosing a town where families are in mourning for the loss of their loved ones is fairly poor judgement to say the least! Outside the Houses of Parliament or in Trafalgar Square would be entirely appropriate for the protest.
It seems this Choudary seems to be quite a rum fellow:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1161909/Swilling-beer-smoking-dope-leering-porn-hate-preacher-Andy-Choudary.html
I don’t post to support either of these loons, just to balance it up a bit. All religions have their loons, Christianity and Islam seem to have more than their fair share.
January 5th, 2010 at 3:28 pm
And let us not forget that name-calling is what this site is all about, from the criminals who finance it right down to the pond scum who write for it. Why single me out?
January 5th, 2010 at 3:54 pm
“let’s look to the future, Iran is going to go nuclear this year or in the next few years..if Iran then nukes Israel and wipes her off the face of the map, would that prove that your God doesn’t exist?”
…MY god? What are you talking about, MY god? Didn’t your ‘prophet’ maintain that MY god and YOUR god were one and the same god? Or has that notion been abrogated?
January 5th, 2010 at 3:58 pm
Sir David
“Unfortunetly there is a nuclear power a lot closer to any of the Holy Sites than the USA or Iran”
I presume you mean Israel or do you mean Pakistan?
“I worry it is more likely to do some thing as stupid as this than the USA or Iran.”
Israel could use the Samson Option, but for what? It could only be used as a last resort when Israel knows that she will surely be going down. Israel cannot use the Samson Option and then hope to survive. Not only that, world Jews would never be safe anywhere, so even if Israel were tempted to use the Samson option, the diaspora Jewry would probably be the reason she wouldn’t even if she didn’t give a damn about others.
I doubt it would ever come to that.
UNLESS
Some crazy nutcase got into power iin Israel, either a rogue or a self deluded Samson. Someone who fervently believes that God is on his side even if destroys the world. Such a person would not think of the economic and humane costs to Israel, the fact that she would be forever villified wouldn’t bother such a nutcase. That scenario is not unlikely and that is why the USA spies on Israel. It’s unlikely to happen but again it’s a possiblity.
Bin Laden and his buddies did one diservice by getting the US bases out of Saudi Arabia. The Americans there were providing useful intelligence to the Saudi’s about Israel.
I sometimes think our biggest enemies are amongst ourselves.
If you mean Pakistan, then Pakistan may fall to extremists who may be cunning enough to bomb Mecca to turn the Muslims against the US. Of course they’d have to make sure that the US got the blame for that to work.
January 5th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Good grief! Bob Beers should take time off from dreaming & re-do his study of “comparative religion”. If he had paid attention during his “number of years studying”; he’ll know that he won’t be the first (nor the last) to dream of destroying the Ka’ba, or the City of Mecca. Abraha, the Viceroy of Yemen, headed his own army of elephants to destroy the Ka’ba; and those well-versed in the history of Mecca & Islam know the outcome of that enterprise. To quote the more intelligent resident of Mecca: “The Owner of this House is its Defender, and I am sure He will save it from the attack of the adversaries and will not dishonor the servants of His House.” As to the canard of the “black rock” being an idol that Muslims must pay homage to (worship?)–as a religious duty; what teacher did Bobby learn that gibberish from? As to Bob’s claim that Allah is the Babylonian moon-god; it is pitiful to see dogmatically monolingual persons not even trying to understand a straightforward simple word or name. The Babylonian moon-god is called Sin. “Allah” is the Arabic word for God–the same word used by Christian Arabs and Jewish Arab in their Bible. The name “Allah” has cognates in Semitic languages of Hebrew, Aramaic, and Syriac. See, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allah
For those who are not averse to listening to a foreign language, and are able to appreciate that God, the Exalted, is called by many names via varied tongues; here’s a presentation of some of His Most Beautiful Names: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhwdEtO5fJE
January 5th, 2010 at 6:56 pm
Wow, Shocking. Don’t destroy my country anyone!
What I want to add here, is something I find very peculiar. The fixation that non Muslims have with Mecca and Medina. I discovered it’s because non Muslims are forbidden to enter certain parts of these two cities.
I suppose that must make them an object of curiousity.
I mean you never hear of Muslim complaining about not being able to enter the Buhha holy places or the Vatican or the other religious places, so why do they fixate on Mecca and Medina and ask why we only allow Muslims?
Sheeeeeeeeesh, i’m sure this has a lot to do with the desire to bomb the cities. Just to spite us, well the Islamophobes I mean.
January 5th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
You people are really misguided.
Russia and China both have their own “islam problems”, they wont be there to help you. In fact, they no doubt align with the US in a war with islam.
Do you really think the muslims, with zero technology, would be any match for USA/China/Russia?
1 out of 5 people on earth is a muslim. Thats 4 out of every 5 people on this planet - against you.
Not good odds, I am afraid, and thus your delusional thinking.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:24 am
Silly Dolly said:
“The point of bombing Mecca is to prove to you doughnuts that your god allah does not exist and therefore cannot protect his ‘holiest’ of cities.”
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Interesting. So its like saying that the Jewish God doesnt exists because he allowed Hitler to kill milions of Jews in the Holocaust.
Or he allowed 9/11 that killed 3′000 americans. So the God that should “bless america” doesnt bless it at all.
Bombing Mecca wouldnt prove anything, dumbass.
January 6th, 2010 at 2:42 am
Lou: “Russia and China both have their own “islam problems”, they wont be there to help you. In fact, they no doubt align with the US in a war with islam.”
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China is doing great business in Pakistan with muslims, and in Africa with muslims. Russia is about to sell the S300 Missiles system to Iran, and its doing business with them. Italy (my country) is doing business with Iran, with Libya, and other muslim countries. South America is all doing business with muslims countries. Ahmadinejad has been invited by Lula (Brazil), by Chavez (Venezuela), and basically all South America is against US imperialism, and natural allies of Russia-China-Muslim World.
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Lou: “Do you really think the muslims, with zero technology, would be any match for USA/China/Russia?”
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Muslims with “zero technology” has defeated Israel in 2006, and the US is not able to beat them in Afghanistan, where is fighting poor people armed only with AK-47 and explosives.
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Lou: “1 out of 5 people on earth is a muslim. Thats 4 out of every 5 people on this planet - against you.”
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Not really, just your delusional fantasy. Im not muslim, but i know i would side with them. Suck it up.
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Lou: “Not good odds, I am afraid, and thus your delusional thinking.”
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Yes Lou, you’re very delusional. American Empire is crumbling just before your eyes, and Russia and China are laughing their ass off, since they’re gonna take its position as the new super-powers, and they are natural allies of the Muslim World because of the geostrategical position. Envision this: Europe, Russia, South America, Asia, Middle East, all are gonna distance themselves from the Crumbling Empire. The maniacal dream of the Christian-Zionists and the Islamophobes will just remain that: silly paranoic delusions.
But you are not equipped to understand any of this, so it will be a nightmare coming out of the blue the day you will wake up and see the world has changed. And has changed not the way you wanted.
Suck. It. Up.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:08 am
Lou
just because 4/5 of the world isn’t muslim doesn’t mean that they’re AGAINST Muslims. I don’t know anything about what would happen if they bombed Mecca, but if they did, I doubt ur idea, if ANY religious freedom exists it will be enough to be against this prepostourous idea.
the holocaust happened you don’t see Judaism wiped off the world. If they bomb Mecca, the same would happen. And support for whoever bombed Mecca (US, China, or Russia) would crumble. Luckily only a minority (though the number rises) of people have the mindset of this fool beers.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:16 am
“You people are really misguided.”
Poor Lou, missing attention, now and then he/she/it lets out a wail for having not being petted! wahhhhh wahhhhhhh,
“Russia and China both have their own “islam problems”, they wont be there to help you. In fact, they no doubt align with the US in a war with islam.”
thats a lie that neo cons spin. part of their global jihad lie. Russia’s problem isn’t Islamic, it so happens that it’s territorial disputes are chiefly with Muslims but it has border problems with others too.
Poor deluded Lou. Europes richest man Rinat Akhmetov is a Muslim Ukrainian. Russia has billionaire Muslim oligarchs, Sulieman Kerimov, Vagit Alekperov, are only 2 prominent russian Muslims. Alexander Litvinenko, the polonium target was a convert to Islam.
Russia is 35% Muslim, and Russians are switching to Islam quicker than you drop your pants. Russia and Europe will be majority Muslim at about the same time. Both have natives converting to Islam at a high rate.
http://www.danielpipes.org/blog/2005/08/predicting-a-majority-muslim-russia
Predicting a Majority-Muslim Russia
Russia’s Muslim Population
How Russian Muslims are influencing Moscow’s foreign policy
Jun 25, 2008 Vincent Gagnon-Lefebvre
http://russia.suite101.com/article.cfm/russias_muslim_population
“Do you really think the muslims, with zero technology, would be any match for USA/China/Russia?”
The Arab and Asian countries are said to be the new powerhouses in about 20 years. China and India are the new Tigers, but the Middle East will be following them. The alternative energy programs are funded by the Gulf states.
“1 out of 5 people on earth is a muslim. Thats 4 out of every 5 people on this planet - against you.”
You think all non Musims are our enemy? LOL, we have more friends than you care you know. Neither China nor Russia are anti Muslim, but both are virulently anti American.
As for China, she has excellent relations with nearly all Muslim countries, and she practically owns the US whom she hates. It’s noteworthy that Obama is the only US President loved by Chinese, and the only one has ever been allowed to directly address chinese children through chinese TV. China owns the US now, (dollar reseves and manufacturing) and Islam is growing in China, like everywhere else in the world. The internal problems China has with extremists have no bearing on it’s relations with it’s foreign policy.
China would just at the opportunity at taking on the US, especially if she could get oil in return.
“Not good odds, I am afraid, and thus your delusional thinking.”
No Lou, you’re the deluded one, are you just having wishful thinking? LOL Surely, you as an American who lost a trillion dollar war in Iraq, (the oil contracts are going to non American companies) face a losing war in Afghanistan, cannot be so clueless?
The war in Iraq cannot be won without iran and pakistan co-operating.
But what does all the above have to do with the topic at hand? How do you think America would survive if she did attack Mecca and Medina? You’re the deluded one, unless some suicidal crank get’s into power in the US. But even then, the military would revolt against him.
I see Israel and Pakistan as bigger threats. Iran for all it’s posturing, wouldn’t have anyone crazy enough to start a nuclear war, but the Taliban crazies in Pakistan are a bigger threat if they get their hands on Pakistans nuclear weapons.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:20 am
typo alert
“The war in Iraq cannot be won without iran and pakistan co-operating.”
was meant to be
The US war in AFGHANISTAN against the taliban and al qaeda cannot be won without iran and pakistan co-operating.
January 6th, 2010 at 6:19 am
Nabeela Have a look at the Isreali Foreign minester.
Lou So if you nuke Mecca 4 out of 5 people will agree with you.
Very Strange maths but zero for morality.
January 6th, 2010 at 10:04 am
It is beyond hilarious that Lou is calling other people misguided!!!
Aside from the fact his post is so illogical it is also advocates mass violence just because mass violence is possible…
“Any moslem that truly believes that islam is the relion of Peace would also have to agree.”
WTF? So absolve Islam and all Muslims we should agree to letting you nuke our holiest city, kills millions of Muslims and then just accept our second class oppressed status in the world?
Seriously, seek psychiatric help.
“And yes, if Christians were daily blowing things up and slaughtering unbelievers, I would readily agree to the same strategy on the Vatican.”
Ok then, Lou has OK’d bombing the Vatican since as we speak ‘Christians’ are daily blowing up and slaughtering Muslim heathens in Iraq and Afghanistan….as are other Muslims….so actually, by Lou’s logic everyone should just nuke everyone….PEACE ON EARTH will ensue.
Lou, this MUSLIM would like to tell you to stop being such a violence loving hate filled ignorant oblivious-to-reality bigot.
January 6th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Sir David, men like Liebermen are hot air, they’re secular, and know very well which side their bread is buttered. Lieberman isn’t a religous nut, secularists are not unaware of the consequences of their actions,
It won’t be a Lieberman who uses the Samson option, its likely to be a lone fanatic, someone like Yigal Amir, who was convinced God was on his side.
By the way don’t discount the possibilty that Israeli nuclear weapons cannot get into the hands of Muslim fanatics.
Lieberman knows he doesn’t have to use nuclear weapons, they can wipe out gaza without nuclear weapons.
There is a difference between hot air politicans (Lieberman and Ahmedinejad fall into this category) and a serious lone fanatic, like Yigal Amir, the latter is more dangerous than a loud mouth Lieberman
January 6th, 2010 at 10:26 am
Whacky Bob Beers and his like are usually one-off sort of chaps. Much like a suicide bomber without the suicide. They get caught and thrown in jail (hopefully).
I am trying to track down a comparison of the numbers of people attacked in this type of race hate or religion hate motivated attack as opposed to the similar-religion-on-similar-religion attacks such as Protestants and Catholics in NI or Shia and Sunni in Islamic countries.
My gut feel is that similar-religion inspired attacks are orders of magnitude greater than the one or few-off incidents of race, religion or culture haters. No evidence so far though apart from 2.8+ million Google hits for “protestant catholic violence” and 95,000+ for “shia sunni violence”. Anyone know of such a report?
January 6th, 2010 at 2:01 pm
Russia may become Muslim-majority, but Europe is highly unlikely. (Although the proportion of Muslims may become high enough to prevent Europe supporting Israel, given the apathy of the non-Muslim population on this subject.)
What do people here think of Bush’s remark that the West would lose a war against Islam? The West certainly has enough raw nuclear firepower to destroy the Ummah - did Bush mean a US/Israeli attack on Islam as a whole would inevitably draw in a nuclear superpower (Russia or China) on the Muslim side, or does he mean that Americans would refuse to fight a war to destroy Islam on the grounds of “better dhimmi than génocidaire”?
January 6th, 2010 at 2:28 pm
George,
Your scenario sounds like something out of Star Wars, it isn’t plausible. One cannot attack “Islam,” one can declare a war against “Islam” but Islam is a belief, and it is spread to the four corners of the globe.
Bush was probably just stating the obvious you can’t go to war with a religion.
January 6th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
George Carty
“Russia may become Muslim-majority, but Europe is highly unlikely.”
Europe is converting to Islam, see figures below (conversions, same trend in every country in the EU)
“(Although the proportion of Muslims may become high enough to prevent Europe supporting Israel, given the apathy of the non-Muslim population on this subject.) ”
Ain’t it funny, how you “zionists” see everything through their narrow vision? The EU has no particular feeling for Israel either way, except for it to end the occupation. In actual fact it’s seen as a terror nation by native Europeans and that has nothing to do with Muslim Europeans. Support for Israel will neither grow nor get any the less regardless of what the Muslim demographics are. I’d say most Europeans are anti Israel because of the occupation. Israel is seen as equal to Iran in Europe.
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The demographics of Islam today
Islam is growing faster numerically than any of the other major world
religions. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance estimates that it is
growing at about 2.9% annually, as opposed to 2.3% per year global
population growth. This is attributed to high rates of conversion to Islam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
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Jan. 23, 2007 3:53 | Updated Jan. 23, 2007 5:31
Islam converts change face of Europe
By ETGAR LEFKOVITS
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1167467792048&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Hebrew University Prof. Raphael Israeli in his upcoming book The Third Islamic Invasion of Europe are representative of the fast-changing face of Europe,
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England may become Muslim state 15.06.2007
http://english.pravda.ru/world/europe/93437-0/
It is worthy of note that the number of native British citizens converting
to Islam has been growing too. Many of them decide to change their religion in the endeavour to improve their financial well-being. The role of Muslim individuals in the British society has been getting more and more important recently. Muslims’ incomes are higher as opposed to those of Christians. There are a lot of Muslim real estate owners in Great Britain. Recent opinion polls conducted among British Muslims aged from 25 to 34 showed that an average Muslim person makes up to 25 pounds sterling ($50,000) a year, which is a bigger number in comparison with an average Briton.
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British elites converting to Islam
Nicholas Hellen and Christopher Morgan
The Sunday Times - Britain
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-1010553,00.html
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The new face of Islam
The phenomenon of educated, white, middle class English converts to Islam.
by Nick Compton
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/londonlife/articles/360513
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25,000 Italian citizens have converted to Islam - Feb. 15th, 2002
http://www.italiaplease.com/eng/megazine/gofigure/2002/02/islam/
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Why European women are turning to Islam
http://www.csmonitor.com/2005/1227/p01s04-woeu.html
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Germany: Sharp rise in conversions to Islam
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3353920,00.html
Published: 01.18.07, 09:05
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Switzerland - Putting their faith in Islam
Publié le: 14-03-2005
Around 30,000 women in Switzerland have converted to Islam, according to a
recent report by an organisation for Muslim women.
http://www.meknes-net.com/actualites/article.php?id=3395
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(Spain) Where the Moors Held Sway, Allah Is Praised Again
By Craig S. Smith, The New York Times
October 21, 2003
http://hispanicmuslims.com/articles/other/spain.html
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January 6th, 2010 at 3:45 pm
George Carty, You’re under the illusion that the US would team up with Israel to destroy the Ummah. Stop smoking magic mushrooms!
The reality is that the US would destroy Israel rather than take on the Ummah.
Anti Israel sentiment is rising in the US, and even Christian “zionists” are dumping Israel
Are evangelicals abandoning Israel?
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 12/15/2009 5:45:00 AM
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Culture/Default.aspx?id=814058
A Christian columnist is lamenting what he calls a “steady erosion” of support for Israel among evangelical leaders.
January 6th, 2010 at 5:46 pm
Garibaldi,
Can’t go to war against a religion (or more accurately, against the adherents of said religion)? Didn’t Catholic Christendom go to war against the Cathars, or Habsburg Spain against the Protestants, or the Nazis against the Jews?
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Sultana,
Islam may be growing rapidly among indigenous Europeans, but from an extremely low base. To use Britain as an example, in the 2001 census white British Muslims were only 0.1% of the British population (and only 4.1% of the British Muslim population). I won’t consider Islam to have truly arrived in Britain (or in any other Western country) until at least half of the Muslim population is not Muslim-country immigrants or their exclusive descendents.
I’m also highly skeptical about the claim in the Pravda article that Muslims are financially better off than non-Muslims, given that many British Muslims live in the old mill towns of Lancashire and Yorkshire (which were economically devastated by foreign competition). Was it a poll only of converts, and not of Britain’s Muslims (mostly “Asian” - in British ethnic parlance that means Desi) as a whole?
Oh, and I’m not a “zionist” either, just pointing out that while I doubt that Europe will become Muslim-majority at any time in the near future, even a minority Muslim population (provided they’re not marginalized as France’s Muslims seem to be) could have a marked impact on Europe’s politics.
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Christian Zionism Exposed,
What I’m saying is that if the West would “lose” a war with Islam (as Bush seemed to suggest) it wouldn’t be for want of firepower. It would have to be due to internal political defeat (the American and/or European politicians would overthrow the anti-Muslim maniacs who wanted the war, or refuse to carry out their orders) or external political defeat (China threatens to nuke the West if the West nukes the Muslim world).
January 6th, 2010 at 5:47 pm
Sorry, I meant “the American and/or European POPULATIONS would overthrow the anti-Muslim maniacs…”
January 7th, 2010 at 10:06 pm
I think LoonWatch ought to start logging and posting IP addresses for wannabe KKKrusaders. Calls for nuclear attacks on Muslims and our Holy sites is nothing short of blatant terrorism.
No hiding behind the PC, maggots.
January 7th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
@DrM
That’s rich coming from someone whose blog contains anti-semitism, sexism and homophobia.
January 8th, 2010 at 3:15 am
George Carty
“Islam may be growing rapidly among indigenous Europeans, but from an extremely low base. ”
What is your point? When something starts it starts from a low base, the fact is Islam is the most rapidly rising in conversions in most EU countries. Actually in the US too and in the western world in general.
“I’m also highly skeptical about the claim in the Pravda article that Muslims are financially better off than non-Muslims, given that many British Muslims live in the old mill towns of Lancashire and Yorkshire (which were economically devastated by foreign competition). Was it a poll only of converts, and not of Britain’s Muslims (mostly “Asian” - in British ethnic parlance that means Desi) as a whole? ”
Are you talking only of UK Muslims or EU Muslims as a whole? Muslims are a diverse bunch, not just from the “mill towns”. There is an elite, middle and lower class amongst them.
“Oh, and I’m not a “zionist” either, just pointing out that while I doubt that Europe will become Muslim-majority at any time in the near future, even a minority Muslim population (provided they’re not marginalized as France’s Muslims seem to be) could have a marked impact on Europe’s politics.”
I know. You’re a neo-Nazi? or closet nazi. only a nazi would make the stupid comments you made below, genocidal suicidal fantasies, with no thought for the consequences on your self. That was the delusion the Nazi’s lived under.
“Can’t go to war against a religion (or more accurately, against the adherents of said religion)? Didn’t Catholic Christendom go to war against the Cathars, or Habsburg Spain against the Protestants, or the Nazis against the Jews?”
The Christendom wars were not over religion, they were primarily to gain territory, power one over the other. Not for the faith itself as you’re suggesting. There was soemthing to gain.
As for the Nazi’s v Jews, first of all stupid illiterate pea brain, Nazi’s wanted to gain control of EUrope, and they didnt just kill Jews, nor did they succeed in killing Judaism, it made Jews stronger, despite the Holocaust. Also, Jews were without land or power then, that is not the case with many Muslim countries in the world.
In fact the Nazi’s strengthened Jewish resolve, without which Israel could not have been formed. That is what people above were saying, that the apathy of the Ummah would end if there was an attack on Islam, and they’d finally get their act together to act as a unified force.
Your comments lend credence to that. Oh and finally, maybe you’re not aware that the Nazi’s suffered one of the most humiliating defeats in history. Again that is what was being said above?
You’re basically asking why the US isn’t stupid enough to follow the Nazi’s ? The Nazi’s proved, that a military superpower cannot defeat a religion.
If firepower were used on Muslim countries, the US would be finished, as she is dependent on trade, minerals and has investments in Muslim countries. Even if a nazi got into power in the US, he would realise that, or destroy the US.
“What I’m saying is that if the West would “lose” a war with Islam (as Bush seemed to suggest) it wouldn’t be for want of firepower. ”
And the firepower would be the demise of the US or the West and why do you speak of the US and the west as a single entity? Most of the West is anti American, well until Obama’s election anyway. You appear not to know anything about the US politicla or economical scene.
“It would have to be due to internal political defeat (the American and/or European politicians would overthrow the anti-Muslim maniacs who wanted the war”
That’s assuming they’d get into power in the first place, which i doubt.
You’re very stupid, and if you are a Nazi, you’re also pretending that Europe is pro American, in fact only the UK is, and Blair was kicked out for that reason. The common man in Britain is anti-American, that’s why a popular man like Blair couldn’t survive with his palling up with neo cons in America.
I bet you’re weeping over Obama’s election in the USA huh Mr Nazi? Still dreaming of the master race ruling America or the West or whatever it is that you think youu’re due?
January 8th, 2010 at 7:14 am
Cassidy
“That’s rich coming from someone whose blog contains anti-semitism, sexism and homophobia.”
Dr Maxtor’s blog seems to fight “Judeofascism”, that’s the jewish extremists, and secular atheist jewish extremists. its the same as fighting “Islamofacism” to those who call it that. He doesn’t make sweeping generalisations against all Jews so you cannot call it anti-semitic. I havn’t seen anything sexist there, and gay and lesbian sex is not permitted in Islam, but that doesnt mean you’re homophobic if the society arounds you allows it, and you express your opposition to it.
January 8th, 2010 at 10:07 am
George Carty
“I’m also highly skeptical about the claim in the Pravda article that Muslims are financially better off than non-Muslims. Was it a poll only of converts, and not of Britain’s Muslims (mostly “Asian” - in British ethnic parlance that means Desi) as a whole? ”
Muslim Power 100
http://www.power100.co.uk/index.php?id=2
There are 10, 000 Muslim millionaires in Britain. Together with others in the Muslim community they contribute some £31 billion to the country’s economy.
The Muslim Power 100 is a positive statement of integration, achievement and contribution to Britain. Lords, entrepreneurs, financiers, scientists, lawyers and community leaders have dominated the list in the past. It includes curry king Sir Gulam Noon (worth £55 million), solicitor Imran Khan, and former head of the Muslim Council of Britain, Sir Iqbal Sacranie. Others include Muslim Labour peer Baroness Uddin, Independent columnist Yasmin Alibhai-Brown and businessman Sir Anwar Pervez.
Away from financial contribution there are those Muslims who do sterling humanitarian work, are involved in vital medical research and are major figures in all aspects of civic society. These are the Muslims who don’t make the headlines. Until now…
January 8th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@Reza
My point is that an extremely high percentage increase in the convert Muslim population of European countries is not especially high in absolute numbers, because there are relatively few Muslim converts in Europe.
I’m British so I’m using UK Muslims as an example, but aren’t Muslim marginalized in quite a few Continental countries? (The denizens of the French banlieues being a notorious example.)
It appears you do not understand the concept of a “thought experiment”.
Just because I analyzed the possibility of an all-out war on Islam waged by a united Western world* doesn’t mean I actually WANT IT TO HAPPEN! Hell no!
*I assumed the whole West was involved because I was examining Bush’s remark that in a war between “Christianity and Islam” then Christianity would lose. As you correctly point out it is unlikely that the West would unite against Islam anyway (unless the Muslims did something insane like carry out an unprovoked nuclear attack against Western civilians).
January 8th, 2010 at 2:41 pm
Oops, forgot you couldn’t blockquote on this blog! I’ll use bold for Reza’s comments then…
And the firepower would be the demise of the US or the West and why do you speak of the US and the west as a single entity?
How so? The only Muslim country with nuclear weapons is Pakistan, and while India and perhaps Israel would be in range of their missiles, the United States and Europe wouldn’t be. (And I explained above why I assumed a monolithic West for this thought-experiment.)
Or is your argument that setting off enough nukes to destroy the Muslim world would cause a cataclysmic nuclear winter which would destroy Western civilization as well?
The Nazi’s proved, that a military superpower cannot defeat a religion.
The Nazis only failed to wipe out the Jews because they were defeated by the Soviets, Americans and British.
Oh, and did you know that Hitler’s anti-Slavism actually followed from his anti-Semitism (plus a good deal of Malthusian economics)? In fact one of my nightmares is that genocidal Islamophobes today may find allies in radical environmentalists fearful of global overpopulation.
The purpose of Lebensraum (Hitler’s reason to want to kill tens of millions of Slavs) was to free Germany from dependence on American grain and oil, so that the evil Jewish conspiracy which Hitler imagine ruled Washington and London would no longer be able to starve Germany into defeat as it had done in World War I. I recommend Adam Tooze’s book The Wages of Destruction to learn more about the economics behind Nazi policies.
The irony of course, is that Hitler’s world view in which the world was dominated by life-and-death conflict for the means of sustenance ended up pitting Germany against three powers all of which had far more Lebensraum than Germany did! (Britain’s was in its overseas settler colonies, chiefly Canada, Australia and South Africa). The superb quality of the German army couldn’t make up for its extreme disadvantage in resources.
January 8th, 2010 at 2:51 pm
Muslim Power 100,
I was assuming that Muslims in Britain were poorer on average because they have a relatively high unemployment rate. Do you think this statistic is flawed because of the Muslim preference for close-knit extended families and traditional gender roles, which means Muslim wives and mother are less likely to also be in paid employment?
January 8th, 2010 at 5:09 pm
George Carty
“I was assuming that Muslims in Britain were poorer on average because they have a relatively high unemployment rate.”
You said it, ASSUMING. Key word in all your posts, your assumptions and ignorant comments based on a total lack of knowledge of the reality.
“Just because I analyzed the possibility of an all-out war on Islam waged by a united Western world* doesn’t mean I actually WANT IT TO HAPPEN! Hell no!”
your biggest delusion is that there is a “united western world” when there is no such thing, nor will be.
This is not a place for your THOUGHT EXPERIMENTS, AND all YOUR POINTS HAVE BEEN COVERED ABOVE ALREADY
“How so? The only Muslim country with nuclear weapons is Pakistan”
all your thesis’s have been answered in the posts above.
” Do you think this statistic is flawed because of the Muslim preference for close-knit extended families and traditional gender roles, which means Muslim wives and mother are less likely to also be in paid employment?”
mORE IGNORANCE?
Why don’t you do your reserach insteading of expecting us to do it for you? Use your fingers, and google, and you’ll be amazed at what you can find on your own intitiave.
January 8th, 2010 at 5:33 pm
Hey George
*The Nazis only failed to wipe out the Jews because they were defeated by the Soviets, Americans and British.*(
That *only* is always there. If *only*,
The Nazi’s couldn’t kill all Jews even if they wanted to, they could only target those who were in Europe. That was about a third of the worlds Jews. They ended up destroying themselves, if *only* they hadn’t had such a sense of their own indestructibility.
The higher you climb, the greater the fall, if *only* the Nazi’s had thought about that possiblity!
January 8th, 2010 at 7:42 pm
@Nabeela
DrM’s blog contains support for hamas and he also claims that Amin El Husseini wasn’t supportive of the nazis; if that isn’t anti-semitism then I don’t what is. He also calls Asra Nomani a ‘whore’ and a ‘bimbo’ and claims that she behaves like a ‘dog in heat’; classic sexism.
“but that doesnt mean you’re homophobic if the society arounds you allows it, and you express your opposition to it.”
‘Expressing opposition’ to homosexuality is anti-gay bigotry; since that ‘opposition’ obviously includes wanting to deny LGBT individuals equal rights.
January 9th, 2010 at 2:27 am
Cassidy
Re: nomani, and his comments, Why don’t you take this up with DrM at his own blog, instead of kvetching about it here?
You who cannot distinguish between who condones slavery are in no position to comment on what others mean. You rarely understand the context of the way things are said.
What DrM says at his own blog has no bearing here, don’t try to divert yet again, Cassidy, I see you’re a glutton for punishment, that you still come here and try to divert subjects?
People take note:
Cassidy has a prime opportunity to hold a discussion with someone at his/her own website (DrM) yet he/she doesn’t. He/She will now give DrM him his email asking him to debate him offline.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:53 am
@Cassidy:
DrM is certainly misguided on Amin al-Husseini, but one can note that Hamas itself doesn’t view the Nazis favourably — in fact the Hamas Charter at one point likens Zionism to a “Nazi-Tatar invasion”. Since Hamas is an Islamist group, not a secular leftist group like the PLO, I doubt that they wrote their charter with Western opinion in mind.
January 9th, 2010 at 3:36 pm
@Hannah
The real delusion of the Nazis was not a belief they were invincible (in fact they were acutely aware of their own vulnerability), but a conspiratorial anti-Semitism that posited that the USA and USSR (and from 1939 Britain too) were in the grip of an international Jewish conspiracy hell-bent on destroying the German nation.
Hitler went to war even though he knew the odds were stacked against him, because he believed that the war was inevitable anyway and waiting would only make the situation even worse.
January 9th, 2010 at 4:28 pm
@Nabeela
You said it, ASSUMING. Key word in all your posts, your assumptions and ignorant comments based on a total lack of knowledge of the reality.
OK, no more assumptions (or thought-experiments for that matter — I caused a lot of trouble over an irrelevant Bush quote). I need to learn to not be in such a hurry to post!
You mentioned 10,000 Muslim millionaires in Britain, Given that there are 242,000 British millionaires(reference from the Guardian) this would mean 1 in 24 British millionaires is Muslim. On the face of it that’s a definite plus for Islam given that only 1 in 40 of the general British population is Muslim.
However, how does one square this with the much higher unemployment rate among British Muslims (according to the Office for National Statistics, Muslim unemployment in 2004 was 13% for men and 18% for women, while being less than 10% for all other groups)? Of course it probably isn’t Islam’s fault (concentration of Muslims in impoverished mill towns probably has to do with it, along with anti-Muslim discrimination on the part of employers), but still it doesn’t look good…
January 10th, 2010 at 11:22 am
“Brad Kostynuik”
Can anyone provide me with a link between this guy and his online handle ‘wharold’?
I attend a school where he teaches and want to expose him to faculty and run him out.
January 10th, 2010 at 5:34 pm
People May not realize this but a war on islam is actually alot easier to win then a war on terror. If Nuking Mecca unites all forms of islam it just gives America a bigger target. The only thing these nutjobs respect is complete brutal force and the sooner everyone realizes this the sooner this stupid war on terror will end
January 11th, 2010 at 2:20 am
@ KTS who would support a war on Islam? Anyways, a war on religion will never ever end in the wanted result by the perpetrators i.e. Holocaust. In terms of war you MUST consider te amount of opposition to the offensive country, and a “war on Islam” doesn’t sound very good-sounding to the public. If America was doing it, it wud be the dumbest idea ever, considering our economy an our two other seemingly endless wars (Iraq and Afghanistan).
January 11th, 2010 at 7:08 am
@ KTS….damm guy…I guess this is why this website is called LOONwatch? Seriously, get some shrink to see if she can rid you of your genocidal fantasies. The U.S isn’t going to start destroying its main source of energy is it now?
Are the crazy clerics not so mad and sexist after all? A story of hope for Saudi women.
http://www.economist.com/world/middleeast-africa/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15214044&source=hptextfeature
January 11th, 2010 at 7:43 am
Usman Hi, I can help you here, Brad Kostynuik and his wife Brandi Dickman are web designers this is their profiessional site http://www.rockpaperinternet.com/contact.html
and another of their professional sites, http://www.canuck.com/~bnb/contact.html
His online handles as Wharold are here
Israel Insider
israelinsider.ning.com/profile/wharold
Judeo Christian America,
judeochristianamerica.ning.com/profile/wharold
and here Brad Kostynuik’s own blog
Doomsday Clock Radio
doosmdayclockradio.wordpress.com
January 11th, 2010 at 1:41 pm
Usman, As you can see, Brad Kostynuik is one of those who supports a greater Israel, opposes a Palestinian state, and signed this petition, (number 567 is his)
Oppose an Arab State in Israel
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?n2p&1
We endorse the Oppose an Arab State in Israel Petition to Orthodox Union.
567. Brad Kostynuik Alberta T3B 1Z5 Noahide
Is this the kind of sick teachers that Canada has? Brad kostynuik calls for bumbing Mecca, he is with a music group called The Bownesians. Brandi Dickman is his wife. She is Jewish, and he is a Christian converted to “Noahide”. He is a rabid Islamophobe, but underground, unlike the Bob Beers, he supports Kahane, and is active in smearing Obama. I am glad I left Canada.
January 11th, 2010 at 4:20 pm
Juan P
“The U.S isn’t going to start destroying its main source of energy is it now? ”
In a way, your words sum up perhap’s the immorality of a system that would turn a blind eye to abuse, because it wants something from it.
Does it mean, that if Al Saud’s were like Saddam and defied America, Saudi Arabia would have been a target for attack? Had Saddam been a friend, his repression of Kurds, Shia and chemical warfare against his own citizens would have been ignored.
Don’t you think that if morals and decency came above necessity for oil, the US should be doing the right thing regardless of the outcome? On the surface this means that it will tolerate the crimes of those regimes from whom they need something, which shows the hypocricy of the “axis of evil” analogy. Had the US wanted something from North Korea, Iran, Syria, it would not have have labelled them as such. If these 3 regimes were friendly to the US, they would be off the list of “axix of evil”. The nuclear threat from iran is an excuse, as was the threat from N Korea, Syria too.
Is it any wonder, that groups like Al Qaeda have such contempt for a moral system that is not in reality a moral system.
January 11th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
George Carty
“Muslim unemployment in 2004 was 13% for men and 18% for women, while being less than 10% for all other groups)? ”
in the ghetto’s, in the “mill towns” there is a muslim underclass, also that was 2004, not sure what that figure is today, there is another reason for this underclass, it’s because they tend to repatriate their money to their villages or homes from where they come, they deliberatley have no desire to better themselves here, because they intend to go home. and thats why they live in ghettos here. In their own villages and towns they usually have budding businesses and big homes. However, that changes with their childrens generation who become more integrated here and don’t want to return save for holidays and stuff.
there are some links in the comments in the Dr Carey news thread at Loon Watch that show the high educational acheivements of Muslim schools, including girls,
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/migration-threatens-the-dna-of-our-nation-claims-lord-carey/
“and traditional gender roles, which means Muslim wives and mother are less likely to also be in paid employment?”
I’d say that is the case in the first generation if they are from rural backward area’s but not the second or third, by that time they’re fairly well ingegrated. That applies to all minorities i’d say, that came from rural area’s Russian and East European for example report the same problems,
George, check out this story Loon Watch posted today
Anti-Sex Laws of Islam: Not as Simple as You May Think
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/anti-sex-laws/
If you scroll down the comments, you’ll find a news link i posted about an Imam from Oxford. He says todays Muslim women in Britain are better educated than the men!
So if i were you, i’d expand your horizons from the “mill towns” and ghetto’s that you seem to know so much about
January 13th, 2010 at 5:51 am
This report by Loon Watch was picked up the German news site nrhz.online, as well as the image that Loon Watch used,
German readers may find it interesting..although i agree with the author above, that it’s like giving Bob Beers more publicity than he deserves. I wonder if he has received any feedback about this, i bet he did’nt expect Loon Watch to pick up on his crazy ramblings
I must say, the image that Loon Watch created is unique, and adds to the otherwise insipid story that Bob Beers wrote .. what is that black jet? is it a stealth bomber? It’s well designed, and captures the mood perfectly, as they say, one picture speaks a thouusand words..Well done Loon Watch,
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Der Anti-Islam Diskurs – eine Facette des Kampfes gegen Obama
Bombing Mecca – was noch? - Teil 1
Von Dr. Maryam Dagmar Schatz
http://www.nrhz.de/flyer/beitrag.php?id=14680
January 26th, 2010 at 12:06 am
I always find this whole idea hilarious. The funniest part is Beers saying he’s studied comparative religion. When you study something professionally, you learn to think of it in a certain way. Just as a psychologist can’t believe his patients are possessed by demons, no legit student of comparative religion can have such glaring factual errors concerning Islam.
The word Allah, first of all, was used by Jesus in his native Aramaic. Alah means God in aramaic, and still exists in some older translations of the bible (in quoting jesus’s prayer). Prophet Muhammad’s people were not “Babylonians”. They were hundreds of miles away, in a totally different region, with a totally different language and culture. The idols of the PRE-Islam Arabs were Hubal, Al-lat, Al-uzza, Al-manat, among others. All of these idols were believed to be children and helpers of the formless creator god, Allah. The same formless creator god Jesus called out to in Aramaic.
The Kaaba in Mecca is a symbol of unity, a symbol of Ishmael and Abraham’s covenant. It’s another “holy of holies”, like the Jewish one in jerusalem, and some Jewish tribes used to visit it in pilgrimage back when Isaac and Ishmael’s tribes were still young. Just as Jews stayed faithful when their holy of holies was destroyed, Muslims would stay faithful if the Kaaba were to be destroyed.
In fact, it HAS been destroyed several times. It’s been rebuilt following floods and earthquakes. Muhammad himself helped rebuild it once in his youth, before his prophethood cleansed it of Idols. Nobody EVER promised that it would stand forever unharmed; we’d just rebuild it again.
However, the offense would be SO GREAT that the Muslim world would never tolerate the West to exist freely ever again. Nuking Mecca would convince even the most ’secular’ Muslim that Non-Muslim powers can never be trusted or tolerated. And even the most peaceful and moderate Muslim would do his best to subdue whoever did it, turning them into a Dhimmi state.
And if America ever nukes Mecca, it DESERVES to become a Dhimmi state- too irrational and dangerous to be free.
February 14th, 2010 at 7:43 pm
that Beer is rubbish maniac ,he should read more about islam before he write anything like that. no prop alot of sick people like him still there but they are insignificant in the world.