CNN recently published an article entitled Study: Threat of Muslim-American terrorism in U.S. exaggerated; according to a study released by Duke University and the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill, “the terrorist threat posed by radicalized Muslim-Americans has been exaggerated.”
Yet, Americans continue to live in mortal fear of radical Islam, a fear propagated and inflamed by right wing Islamophobes. If one follows the cable news networks, it seems as if all terrorists are Muslims. It has even become axiomatic in some circles to chant: “Not all Muslims are terrorists, but nearly all terrorists are Muslims.” Muslims and their “leftist dhimmi allies” respond feebly, mentioning Waco as the one counter example, unwittingly affirming the belief that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims.”
But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
According to this data, there were more Jewish acts of terrorism within the United States than Islamic (7% vs 6%). These radical Jews committed acts of terrorism in the name of their religion. These were not terrorists who happened to be Jews; rather, they were extremist Jews who committed acts of terrorism based on their religious passions, just like Al-Qaeda and company.
Yet notice the disparity in media coverage between the two. It would indeed be very interesting to construct a corresponding pie chart that depicted the level of media coverage of each group. The reason that Muslim apologists and their “leftist dhimmi allies” cannot recall another non-Islamic act of terrorism other than Waco is due to the fact that the media gives menial (if any) coverage to such events. If a terrorist attack does not fit the “Islam is the perennial and existential threat of our times” narrative, it is simply not paid much attention to, which in a circuitous manner reinforces and “proves” the preconceived narrative. It is to such an extent that the average American cannot remember any Jewish or Latino terrorist; why should he when he has never even heard of the Jewish Defense League or the Ejercito Popular Boricua Macheteros? Surely what he does not know does not exist!
The Islamophobes claim that Islam is intrinsically a terrorist religion. The proof? Well, just about every terrorist attack is Islamic, they retort. Unfortunately for them, that’s not quite true. More like six percent. Using their defunct logic, these right wingers ought now to conclude that nearly all acts of terrorism are committed by Latinos (or Jews). Let them dare say it…they couldn’t; it would be political and social suicide to say such a thing. Most Americans would shut down such talk as bigoted; yet, similar statements continue to be said of Islam, without any repercussions.
The Islamophobes live in a fantasy world where everyone is supposedly too “politically correct” to criticize Islam and Muslims. Yet, the reality is the exact opposite: you can get away with saying anything against the crescent. Can you imagine the reaction if I said that Latinos should be profiled because after all they are the ones who commit the most terrorism in the country? (For the record: I don’t believe in such profiling, because I am–unlike the right wing nutters–a believer in American ideals.)
The moral of the story is that Americans ought to calm down when it comes to Islamic terrorism. Right wingers always live in mortal fear–or rather, they try to make you feel that way. In fact, Pamela Geller (the queen of internet Islamophobia) literally said her mission was to “scare the bejeezus outta ya.” Don’t be fooled, and don’t be a wuss. You don’t live in constant fear of radicalized Latinos (unless you’re Lou Dobbs), even though they commit seven times more acts of terrorism than Muslims in America. Why then are you wetting yourself over Islamic radicals? In the words of Cenk Uygur: you’re at a ten when you need to be at a four. Nobody is saying that Islamic terrorism is not a matter of concern, but it’s grossly exaggerated.
Related Posts:
Europol report: All terrorists are Muslims…Except the 99.6% that aren’t
RAND report: Threat of homegrown jihadism exaggerated, Zero U.S. civilians killed since 9/11
Update:
A reader by the name of Dima added:
The FBI Terrorism Report shows…[that] the highest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. by region (90) took place in Puerto Rico.
Second Update:
An Islamophobe commented on this article, saying that the statistics are flawed because the FBI included small acts such as “stealing rats from a lab” as an act of terrorism. Of course, this is patently false. Here is a breakdown of the terrorist attacks by type (the pie chart is from the FBI’s official website and can be accessed here):
Terrorism by Event, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
January 20th, 2010 at 1:07 am
People will be surprised to learn about this, Islamophobes will contest it with angry red faces, while some will accuse you stupidly of anti-Semitism. Thanks again, this will be controversial for some even though it need not be.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:23 am
Great article.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:23 am
Oh wow that’s like a punch in the face honestly… Can some one explain political correctness for me? I tried looking it up and I never understood it, and I’ve noticed that Spencers book is calle the politically incorrect guide to so and so. At first I thot it was sarcasm nut then I realized political incorrectness is good? Can someone explain?
January 20th, 2010 at 6:23 am
Thanks for your comment, Never Again for All. What should be noted is that my sarcastic comment in the top picture’s caption is directed towards the JDL, not Jews in general. The JDL represents Judaism no more than Al-Qaeda represents Islam.
January 20th, 2010 at 6:32 am
Well said Danios . It cheers me up to think of Plastic Pouting Pam and her Gnomish buddy reading this site and grinding their teeth in frustration because the truth hurts when all you do is make up spin and stuff and twist numbers.
January 20th, 2010 at 7:11 am
Greetings from Finland. I have been reading Loonwatch for a while but haven’t commented before. I admire the job you are doing, keep up with it! Sadly we have our own bunch of islamofobits and racists here and we have our own “Watch” keeping an eye on them.
I have a question to Danios: have you written an article of the meaning of “Taqiyya” and “Kitman” or are going to write one?
January 20th, 2010 at 7:57 am
Wow, this is going to be soooo useful!! Finally, we’ve got something to point to when the Islamophobes come barking at the door. Awesome article as always!
And Danios, right now the last line reads “So calm the down, and continue living your life.”
January 20th, 2010 at 8:22 am
If anyone is interest further,probably Danios, there’s an excellent book by Robert Pape it’s called The Strategic Logic Of Suicide Terrorism. Very riveting work.
January 20th, 2010 at 9:01 am
Loonwatch should print this story: U.S. Military Weapons [used in Afghanistan and Iraq] Inscribed With Secret ‘Jesus’ Bible Codes
http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/us-military-weapons-inscribed-secret-jesus-bible-codes/story?id=9575794
Related stories:
Soldiers in Afghanistan given bibles [in Pashtun and Dari languages], told to “Hunt people for Jesus” http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/04/soldiers-in-afghanistan-g_n_195674.html
“Iraq will become the center for spreading the gospel of Jesus Christ to Iran, Libya, throughout the Middle East.” – Kyle Fisk, executive administrator of National Association of Evangelicals, to the LA Times. Within 8 months of the invasion, 9 evangelical churches open in Baghdad, supported with $100,000 per church. Nine hundred thousand bibles in Arabic sent to Iraq http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tom-hayden/christian-extremists-in-i_b_3039.html . See also “Evangelicals building a base in Iraq” http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/06/22/AR2005062202335.html
January 20th, 2010 at 9:07 am
Danios:How many innocent people have been killed by Latinos and Jewish terrorist and the number of people killed by the Muslim terrorist?Can you give some figures?Jihad is the other name for terrorism.This word should be taken out of the dictionary of Islam but it is impossible.I know you do not have the guts to read the truthful apposing views and publish them in loon- watch because you do not have legs of truthfulness to stand on.Only propaganda!!!
January 20th, 2010 at 10:54 am
“have you written an article of the meaning of “Taqiyya” and “Kitman” or are going to write one?”
Taqiyya and Kitman are terms the Islamophobes like to throw around in order to draw on nuanced Islamic concepts to legitimise their propaganda call to dismiss all opposing voices. So if a Muslim makes a claim, true or false, it cannot be trusted as he or she may be engaging in taqiyya. It’s an effective tool in winning popular support for their agenda, as it draws a strict boundary between what is valid discourse (that of the Islamophobes) and what is not (the taqiyya-driven Muslims, and their sponsored leftist allies).
Kitman is a term rarely found in Sunni Islamic texts on jurispudence. However, taqiyya does appear, in particular in the context of interpreting verses 3:28 and 16:105. The “occasion of revelation” for 16:105 was the torture of an early convert to Islam, Ammar b Yasir, who was spared torture when he praised the pagan Arab gods; the Prophet Muhammad affirmed his faith and this verse allowed such a concession. 3:28 uses the word “tuqah” a congate of “taqiyya”. Some early jurists (like Muadh b Jabal and Mujahid) were opposed to the concept altogether as they felt it implied “lying” (kidhb) and “hypocrisy” (nifaq). Most, however, disagreed that it implied these objectionable consequences, and allowed it as a dispensation (rukhsa) when one is compelled. “Most of the Ahl al-Sunna believe taqiyya…is permissible only in (cases of) necessity…al-Qurtubi said ‘taqiyya is not permitted unless one fears death, or the loss of a limb or serious bodily harm’” (al-Mawsuat al-Fiqhiyya: http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?Mode=0&MaksamID=840&DocID=100&ParagraphID=5520 )
Furthermore, since this is a dispensation (rukhsa) “from God, and it is not an obligation, not performing taqiyya is more virtuous” (al-Jassas mentioing the Hanafi view: http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?Mode=0&MaksamID=1&DocID=7&ParagraphID=434 ). This is supported by a hadith from the Musannaf of Ibn Abi Shayba where two men were brought before a rebel leader, the “false prophet” Musaylama; Musaylama asked if the first believed he was a prophet and he replied in the affirmative and when he asked the second he replied “I am deaf” thrice and was subsequently killed; when the news reached the Prophet, he said “the one that was killed has passed away with integrity (sidq) and firm conviction (yaqin), and he held on to his merits, so glad tidings to him; and as regards to the second, he is saved from any consequence (of lying) due to a dispensation from God” (cited here: http://feqh.al-islam.com/Display.asp?Mode=0&MaksamID=840&DocID=100&ParagraphID=5520 )
When Islamophobes write about taqiyya, they’ll normally mention it in isolation, without the context given in Sunni writings, in order to give it a global implication and create a general distrust of all Muslims. Shiite views of taqiyya and kitman may be slightly different to Sunni views. There are a few other issues when it comes to the topic of “lying” (kidhb) in Islamic jurispudence (which is always impermissible, unless serious physical damage is feared; however portraying the truth in an agreeable and perhaps even a selective manner that does not involve lying is commended when it is used to “reconcile” between people and enjoin people to be charitable) – however, this is not related to “taqiyya” which has a very specific purpose.
January 20th, 2010 at 11:07 am
Beautiful man. Send this to every islamaphobic site. Spread the word man. spread the word
January 20th, 2010 at 11:23 am
Hey is it just me or is the home page not showing up?
January 20th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Good job and good grief. All of the past 8 years of fear, anxiety, frustration, rage, a broken economy and two wars that are still going on for this? This deserves an attaboy, and a mention at Miscellany101.
January 20th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Thank you Muzzammil for your answer. I have a further question: has Taqiya and Kitman been used by the extreme islamist preachers to justify terrorism or lying? To me this is important, because I am involved in a heated discussion on certain forums in my homeland.
I is schokking how islamofobes keep telling the same stories over and over again on every net page. It is like the game, where a mole jumps from the hole and you hit it with a hammer. The same mole will just jump again from another hole. Frustrating.
January 20th, 2010 at 2:52 pm
Profiling has failed us; we don’t need profiling to identify Individuals like the Christmas-Day Bomber or the Fort Hood Shooter! There is a better solution!
Virtually all media outlets are discussing whether we should be profiling all Arab Muslims; I will in the one-page explain why we don’t need profiling. Over 15 years ago, we at the Center for Aggression Management developed an easily-applied, measurable and culturally-neutral body language and behavior indicators exhibited by people who intend to perpetrate a terrorist act. This unique methodology utilizes proven research from the fields of psychology, medicine and law enforcement which, when joined together, identify clear, easily-used physiologically-based characteristics of individuals who are about to engage in terrorist activities in time to prevent their Moment of Commitment.
The Problem
Since the foiled terrorist attack by Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab, the Nigerian national on Northwest Flight 253 to Detroit, the President has repeatedly stated that there has been a systemic failure as he reiterates his commitment to fill this gap in our security. This incident, like the Fort Hood shooting, exemplifies why our government must apply every valid preventative approach to identify a potential terrorist.
The myriad methods to identify a terrorist, whether “no-fly list,” “explosive and weapons detection,” mental illness based approaches, “profiling” or “deception detection” – all continue to fail us. Furthermore, the development of deception detection training at Boston Logan Airport demonstrated that the Israeli methods of interrogation will not work in the United States.
All media outlets are discussing the need for profiling of Muslim Arabs, but profiling does not work for the following three reasons:
1. In practice, ethnic profiling tells us that within a certain group of people there is a higher probability for a terrorist; it does not tell us who the next terrorist is!
2. Ethnic profiling is contrary to the value our society places on diversity and freedom from discrimination based on racial, ethnic, religious, age and/or gender based criteria. If we use profiling it will diminish our position among the majority of affected citizens who support us as a beacon of freedom and liberty.
3. By narrowing our field of vision, profiling can lead to the consequence of letting terrorists go undetected, because the terrorist may not be part of any known “profile worthy” group – e.g., the Oklahoma City bomber, Timothy McVeigh
The Solution
Our unique methodology for screening passengers can easily discern (independently of race, ethnicity, religious affiliation, age, and gender) the defining characteristics of human beings who are about to engage in terrorist acts.
The question is when will our government use true “hostile intent” through the “continuum of aggressive behavior” to identify potential terrorists? Only when observers focus specifically on “aggressive behavior” do the objective and culturally neutral signs of “aggression” clearly stand out, providing the opportunity to prevent these violent encounters. This method will not only make all citizens safer, but will also pass the inevitable test of legal defensibility given probable action by the ACLU.
As our Government analyzes what went wrong regarding Abdulmatallab’s entrance into the United States, you can be assured that Al Qaeda is also analyzing how their plans went wrong. Who do you think will figure it out first . . . ?
Visit our blog at http://blog.AggressionManagement.com where we discuss the shooting at Fort Hood and the attempted terrorist act on Flight 253.
January 20th, 2010 at 3:12 pm
Great! It would be nice to also see a worldwide analysis.
January 20th, 2010 at 4:41 pm
Never mind the statistics, girls, try reading (I know it’s hard, but keep going and you’ll gradually get better) this story, one among millions I know but just the latest to emerge, there’ll be plenty more. Once you’ve read it I want one of you to tell me all the usual old shit about the religion of peace, no compulsion in religion, love and peace, yada yada yada.
http://www.faithfreedom.org/islam/my-brothers-stabbed-me-ten-times
The next thing I want you to do is challenge Ali Sina to a debate.
January 20th, 2010 at 6:31 pm
Danios,
Thank you for this interesting and highly relevant post and FBI report and for your other work as well. I recently discovered this site and particularly enjoyed your excellent and well-researched rebuttals to Robert Spencer.
The FBI Terrorism Report shows:
318 incidents 1980-2005 which averages out to one a month
The highest number of terrorist incidents in the U.S. by region (90) took place in Puerto Rico
The total number of deaths due to terrorism incidents in the U.S. is 3,178 which means that aside from 9/11 and the OKC bombing the total number of terrorism deaths from 1980-2005 is 33.
In 12 of the 26 years covered by the report there were no deaths or injuries from terrorist attacks in the U.S.
I have numerous problems with the report including the at times highly political nature of what is classified as terrorism. (In a number of cases, it’s at best really a stretch if not downright ludicrous i.e. freeing mink from a mink farm, fundraising or financially supporting Hamas or Hezbollah which are also political parties that provide social services, getting ready to go abroad to fight with the Taliban against U.S. forces in Afghanistan, etc.) Nevertheless, the report shows that terrorist attacks overall and especially Islamic extremist terrorist attacks, which are what the media and the politicians hype, are nothing like the threat they’ve been built up to be.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:07 pm
Article updated.
Sorry that I currently don’t have time to reply to everyone…
But I do wish to say that Dolly proves my point further: the Islamophobic mentality is “Look at this anecdotal example I have, and *this* is what all Muslims are.” Typical. Thank you for proving my point.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:12 pm
At first I thought the graph was an FBI graph. However it seems from the link the FBI only listed the acts and things like who did it. It is interesting to see who is listed. I take it you took the data and created a graph. You must have listed which of those groups would go into each category. It would be helpful to see which group you included in each category.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:20 pm
No, the pie chart is not from the FBI. However, I encourage everyone to look at the table provided on the FBI website to confirm what I have compiled. I went through it three times to make sure I was correct.
I took the FBI table and highlighted each entry that went to each group. So what I can do is publish that color coded table. I chose not to do it above because it would cramp up the page. I’ll post the table as a separate page so whoever wants to see it can click on it.
Give me a day or two to get it done, since I am busy as I mentioned in the comment above.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:53 pm
@ dolly:
I have read refutations of Ali sina everywhere! And yes the statistics DO matter because a lot of people think that all terrorists are Muslim. Even geert wilders said this. And maybe YOU ought to do is consider the criticism of these islamiphobes and read it yourself cause it can be informative, instead of discrediting it as BS.
January 20th, 2010 at 8:55 pm
What a nice pro-pislamic site. I wonder how much arselifters are contributing to it to help disseminate disinformation about pislam?
January 20th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
Dear Loonwatch lovers,
There are LIES, damn LIES and statistics.
What you ignore is that:
1) there have been 14,705 terrorist acts from muslims since 9/11
2) in 2009 alone, there have been 2117 Jihaddi acts in 38 countries
Do you think the USA will be different?
The USA is Dar Al Harb and so is fair game for Muslims.
Only Islam demands that its followers are ruthless to the unbelievers.
Mohammed said “terror brings victory” and “strike at their necks”.
Enough said!
January 21st, 2010 at 1:57 am
Muslims launch bus billboards for peace
One of Britain’s oldest established Muslim communities has launched a national doorstep and publicity campaign on London’s buses featuring Islamic principles of peace, which is aimed at countering extremism.
http://ekklesia.co.uk/node/11041
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sAZrW8zQcec/S1TvwBMDLBI/AAAAAAAAAMw/myTFtDZjpWU/s320/londonbus.jpg
January 21st, 2010 at 2:10 am
@Danios:Your argument that 94% Muslims are not extremist is very useful in defence of Muslims living in America.There are over 3 million Muslims living in America.Can you work out as to the number of Muslim extremist in America then? It must be frightening to have so many exteremist living in America,specially living under the umbrella of a Muslim president!!
January 21st, 2010 at 7:06 am
It’d be interesting if someone did the research on how many temples in the US have JDL tzedaka boxes used for supporting that “never again…to us” ideology. (The answer would be “a lot.”) But, you know, our mosques are the one supporting terror…Because we totally teach that “our land was stolen 2000 years ago by savages who don’t deserve the right to live, much less on our land.” Oh wait.
(BTW, apparently the key to getting Robert Spencer to yell at you is to bring up those sorts of things. Or at least it was the key in Madison, WI…)
January 21st, 2010 at 8:11 am
Danios,you are a genius exposing the Islam-o-phobes. These people shoild learn more.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:08 am
OK I have some time now to reply to comments. Here goes…
First, thank you to everyone who complimented the article. I tend to preferentially reply to those who post negative comments (simply because of my urge to shut them down), but please understand that I value your positive feedback a lot. It’s very important for me to know that people want more articles in a similar vein.
Now to reply individually to certain comments…
Huckleberry:
“I have a question to Danios: have you written an article of the meaning of “Taqiyya” and “Kitman” or are going to write one?”
No, I have not yet written an article on this topic, but I plan on doing it in the near future, so stay tuned!
I don’t have time to review Muzammil’s writing on Taqiyya and Kitman, but usually he writes good stuff.
“I have a further question: has Taqiya and Kitman been used by the extreme islamist preachers to justify terrorism or lying?”
No. Al-Qaeda terrorists and their ilk are Sunnis, not Shias. They never invoke Taqiya, and in fact oppose its usage, berrating Shias for their belief in it…although the Shia masses have an understanding that differs from what Islamophobes (and some Sunnis) claim. As for kitman, nobody has even heard of this, and it’s just something that is found in some obscure isolated medieval texts…and which Islamophobes found and just play up. It’s absurd because the average Muslim has never heard of taqiyya or kitman, but especially not kitman.
iSherif:
“And Danios, right now the last line reads ‘So calm the down, and continue living your life.’”
Sorry, I had put an expletive there and the editor deleted it. I fixed it though after I read your comment, so thanks for the heads up.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:21 am
Yusuf:
“Great! It would be nice to also see a worldwide analysis.”
You correctly predicted what my follow up article would be.
Dolly:
“The next thing I want you to do is challenge Ali Sina to a debate.”
Your wish is my command. I challenge Ali Sina to a debate. He, like Robert Spencer, would quickly realize the world of hurt he is in for should he choose to debate me.
Dima:
Thanks for your excellent comment. I added it to my article in the update. Refresh your page.
Geoff:
“there have been 14,705 terrorist acts from muslims since 9/11″
The number is completely spurious. I’ve seen you Islamophobes use that number a lot. Where did you get it from? I have the actual number available to me from a very credible source (which I plan to publish in a follow up article coming to a LoonWatch near you), and it’s nowhere near that ludicrous number you gave. So my question is: where the heck are you Islamophobes generating that number from? Source?
“2) in 2009 alone, there have been 2117 Jihaddi acts in 38 countries”
I don’t know what you mean by “Jihaddi acts.” Are you including attacks against military targets, such as the occupying forces in Afghanistan and Iraq? If so, then there are thousands upon thousands of military strikes by Western nations. In that case, 2117 (probably another spurious number though) is very low.
If you mean act of terrorism, then that number is again completely spurious, as I shall reveal in my follow up article. Stay tuned. Danios is not to be messed with. That is a lesson the Islamophobes are learning quite quickly. Spencer has learned it, and will continue to learn it. So will others.
Milad:
“Your argument that 94% Muslims are not extremist”
You have profound reading comprehension problems. Nowhere did I say that.
“specially living under the umbrella of a Muslim president”
Stop doing crack.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:43 am
Do these Islamophobes foam at the mouth while writing their garbage?
January 21st, 2010 at 11:56 am
I agree with danios. I’ve seen the 14,000 number everywhere without proof or sources. I trust the FBI much more then a random website that attacks Islam.
January 21st, 2010 at 2:26 pm
Interesting, but you are misusing statistics. Look I can do it too!
Look at the pie chart of the deaths caused by terrorist attacks vs. the group you might get a clearer picture of why Al-Qa’ida gets so much press:
Al-Qu’ida: 2972 (93.6%)
Timothy McVeigh: 168 (5.2%)
Other: 38 (1.2%)
So 94% of all terrorist related deaths in the US are caused by Islamic extremists.
Same data, opposite result.
I will say that giving equal weight to flying a plane full of people into a building by Al-Qu’ida terrorists and the Animal Liberation Front stealing a bunch of lab rats is disingenuous. Yet both are listed as terrorist acts in that table.
For perspective there were 30,896 firearms related deaths in the US in 2006 alone.
January 21st, 2010 at 3:39 pm
“The number is completely spurious. I’ve seen you Islamophobes use that number a lot. Where did you get it from?”
They get it from thereligionofpeace.com, a vicious anti-muslim hate site. It has recommended commentary which states things like “No decent human being could ever remain muslim”, “muslim civilians are a myth, they are all dangerous” and “A ‘moderate’ muslim could turn suicide bomber overnight”. Hardly an objective source.
The number has been extremely inflated by including resistance operations against occupying soldiers, but also political violence, tribal violence, secretarian violence and domestic violence. And I don’t think they even mention sources, so I wouldn’t be surprised if many of the ones mentioned are complete fabrications.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:08 pm
Danios,
Thank you very much. I made an error though and should clarify. According to the report there were actually 11 years from 1980-2005 in which there were no killings *and* no injuries from terrorist attacks in the U.S. There are however 12 years in which there were no injuries and 12 years in which there no killings. In 1997, no one was killed but there were 13 wounded and in 2002 there were no injuries but there were 2 deaths.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:09 pm
“Interesting, but you are misusing statistics. Look I can do it too!”
Speak for yourself. I did not misuse statistics at all. But it is amusing how you didn’t comment on the completely spurious number used by Geoff, which has been repeatedly used by Islamophobes.
“Look at the pie chart of the deaths caused by terrorist attacks vs. the group you might get a clearer picture of why Al-Qa’ida gets so much press:
Al-Qu’ida: 2972 (93.6%)
Timothy McVeigh: 168 (5.2%)
Other: 38 (1.2%)”
9/11 is a complete outlier. You know it, and I know it. So is the Timonthy McVeigh attack. If you eliminate those two, you will come to a much more reasonable result. Other than those two events, less than 40 Americans have died from terrorism in the period between 1980 and 2005. Yes, 9/11 was bad. But it was an exceptional event.
So yes, you can make a pie chart like the above, but the reality is that the skewed results are just a result of one single event. When that is made clear, your argument falls apart. In fact, my follow up article will be an analysis of the number of Americans killed from terrorists.
Remember: *my* argument is simply that not all terrorists are Muslims. I was refuting the argument that “nearly all terrorists are Muslims”, an argument that falls apart when you look at the facts. What percentage of terrorist attacks are from what group is secondary…The point is that Muslims do NOT make up “nearly all terrorists” as you Islamophobes claim.
“I will say that giving equal weight to flying a plane full of people into a building by Al-Qu’ida terrorists and the Animal Liberation Front stealing a bunch of lab rats is disingenuous. Yet both are listed as terrorist acts in that table.”
And you’re a damned liar. Nowhere is “stealing a bunch of lab rats” on the table. I encourage anyone to just glance at the table and see that 95% of everything listed is bombings, shootings, arsons, etc.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Danios,
Thank you very much. I made an error though and should clarify. It’s actually 11 years in which there were no deaths *and* no injuries from terrorist attacks in the U.S. There are however 12 years in which there were no deaths listed from terrorist attacks and 12 years in which there were no injuries listed from terrorist attacks. In 1997 there were 13 wonded but no deaths and in 2002 there were 2 killed but no wounded.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Hey I am I, remember I said “don’t mess with Danios.” I meant it. Here is a breakdown from the FBI of the various types of terrorism that they included in their table:
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/pie.jpg
Don’t mess with Danios. Get it through your thick skulls. You will lose.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:23 pm
Looking forward to your next piece on this Danios.
@Mahmoud, I was going to mention that! Yes, they get all their numbers from the anti-Muslim hate site “religion of peace” whose definition of terrorism is “any violence committed by a Muslim anywhere, at anytime, and for whatever reason“. The numbers there are completely BOGUS. Stick to FBI reports.
January 21st, 2010 at 6:40 pm
“9/11 is a complete outlier. You know it, and I know it. So is the Timonthy McVeigh attack.”
Also, 9/11 was not a terrorist attack carried out by Americans. The 19 hijackers were part of an organised vigilante operation from outside America albeit without any state-backing. In my opinion, 9/11 belongs to a different category altogether and is more akin to Pearl Harbour 1941 in which 2400 were killed than it is to McVeigh’s attack which was by a US citizen and a veteran at that. If purely American terrorism (unlawful killings/attacks by Americans that has a specific political goal – not random murders) on American soil is considered, then the killing by Islamist terrorists over the last three decades would be close to 5% – so, even in this respect, the 94% statistic is accurate or nearly accurate.
January 21st, 2010 at 7:32 pm
Dima:
I’m going to include what you said in my follow up article, as it is more relevant to that topic instead of this one. Thank you very much for your excellent points. It’s worthy of another article entirely, not just a small update.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 21st, 2010 at 10:17 pm
You missed my point, I guess you were too busy labelling me.
I didn’t comment on Geoff’s number because there isn’t any data, I think that it is made up out of whole cloth.
My point was that I used the same set of data to produce the opposite results and I claim my result is as flawed as yours. I believe I stated up front that I planned to misuse the data. I am not going to argue that my analysis was correct.
9/11 is not an outlier, it only looks that way because there are only four significant successful terrorist attacks on US soil in that 25 year span (the 1993 NY car bomb, Timothy McVeigh, the 1995 Atlanta pipe bomb, and 9/11). A lot of the rest of those are spurious. There is a world of difference between parking a truck of explosives next to a full office building and placing “two one-gallon jugs filled with kerosene near a McDonald’s restaurant in Chico, California, and vandalized the restaurant with graffiti. The graffiti included statements such as “Animal Liberation Front,” “Meat is Murder,” and “Species Equality.”” Seriously, that’s terrorism? That’s actually a little pathetic.
Secondly 29 year old data has little relevance to todays geopolitical situation. Terrorists normally spring from a group that is persecuted and has little hope for bettering their situation or is too weak to fight conventionally. Currently there are hot spots in Central America, the Middle East, Afghanistan, Georgia, Africa, Spain and a handful of others. Of those only in the Middle East, Afghanistan and Central America is the US a primary target. So I think you do have to worry about terrorists from those locations along with you local ones. (Yes I am not an American).
The majority of terrorists are not interested in the US. The majority are local, international terrorism isn’t really all that common and it very difficult. Since 9/11 Al-Qu’ida has only hit “soft” targets, the threat is overblown. I’d argue that they got lucky on 9/11.
If your argument is *historically* the majority of terrorists are not Muslim then I agree. If the argument is that the majority of foreign terrorists that have a specific grievance with the US is not terrorists claiming to be Muslims then I’m not sure I agree.
I’ll go on record as saying that you cannot be a terrorist and a good Muslim. Islam is a religion of peace that has been hijacked by extremists.
By the way I don’t really think ELF and ALF are real terrorist organizations. They haven’t actually harmed any people and they are the majority of the “attacks” in the past 10 years. They are more along the lines of idiots rather than terrorists.
Finally my point is that why is there so much coverage of terrorists anyway? You are something like 250 times more likely to be shot than to die in a terrorist attack. How is that *normal*. I guess gun ownership is still a sacred cow? Aside from Bush ratcheting up the alert level to distract people when it was convenient.
January 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
The bottom line is that the statement “nearly all terrorists are Muslims” is false.
Agree or disagree?
Secondly: you don’t know what an outlier is. There can be four outliers. Please look up the meaning of the word.
Secondly: you compare the more menial acts of non-Muslim terrorism with the one single most gruesome act of terrorism by Islamic extremists. Your line of argumentation is this: you can’t compare blah blah blah with over two thousand people dying on 9/11. But I’m not doing that. I already agree that 9/11 was the most gruesome. But I’m saying that if you look at everything else other than 9/11, the acts of terrorism by Islamic extremists from that time period given are not the most remarkable. For example, Latino terrorism was much more and worse. Yet, you continually harp on the ELF, thereby trying to dictate the terms of the discussion.
If Latino terrorists were generally more active than Islamic ones, then that proves my point a lot: it is simply not true that nearly all terrorists are Muslims.
But again, you will keep harping on the ELF…That’s not the only group involved, so move along. I already posted a pie chart from the FBI which clearly shows what were the various acts of terrorism.
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 22nd, 2010 at 4:35 am
From 1990 to 2005, there were 9 fatal terrorist attacks in America:
1993 World Trade Center bombing: anti-US international Islamic extremists, 6 killed
1994 Brooklyn Bridge shooting: Lebanese anti-Zionist Rashid Baz, 1 killed
1995 Oklahoma City bombing: anti-government Timothy McVeigh et al., 168 killed
1996 Centennial Olympic Park bombing: Christian extremist and white supremacist Eric Robert Rudolph, 2 killed
1999 Los Angeles Jewish Community Center shooting: anti-Semite Buford O. Furrow, 1 killed
1999 Chicago shooting spree: white supremacist Benjamin Nathaniel Smith, 2 killed
2001 September 11 attacks: anti-US international Islamic extremists, 2972 killed
2001 Anthrax attacks: depressed microbiologist Bruce Ivins?, 5 killed
2002 Los Angeles shooting: Egyptian anti-Zionist Hesham Hedayat, 2 killed
A couple of things to note:
NONE of the four “Islamic” (anti-US or anti-Zionist) attacks were carried out by US citizens.
ALL five of the others were carried out by US citizens (white supremacists, neo-Nazis, anti-government activists, and Christian anti-abortion, anti-homosexual extremists).
So, none of these attacks were by Muslim Americans. The Duke University study reported in CNN above shows “Muslim American communities have been active in preventing radicalization”. Charles Kurzman one of the researchers goes on to say “This is one reason that Muslim-American terrorism [poor choice of word] has resulted in fewer than three dozen of the 136,000 murders committed in the United States since 9/11.” In other words, despite Muslims being 2% of the American population, they were responsible for about 0.025% of all murders in the US since 9/11 (that’s about 80 times less than what would be expected assuming an even distribution).
The threat of “homegrown American Islamic terrorism” in the US (as opposed to Somalia or Pakistan) is therefore miniscule. The one possible example is Major Nidal Hasan and the Fort Hood tragedy, but this was complicated by psychological factors and was not connected to any extremist organisation. The Islamophobes, however, like to see all Muslims as one unified block: Muslims in America are no different to Muslims in Saudi Arabia who are no different to Muslims in China. The US faces a bigger homegrown Christian extremist/white supremacist/anti-abortionist/anti-government/neo-Nazi terrorist threat than it does an (internal) Islamic one.
January 22nd, 2010 at 8:08 am
This post is phenomenal and Danios, I dont know where you came from, but this is brilliant stuff! The Islamophobes dont stand a chance.
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:05 pm
Hey loonwatch,
you forgot another mind blowing fact that Tamil Tiger who are Hindu are responsible for 70% suicide bombing since 2001 till today and thats according to Imran Khan famous former cricket player and politician. I had a credible source but I cant seemed to find it right now. I assure you they have done more suicide bombing than another extremist group in the world.Please take a look into it.
January 22nd, 2010 at 9:10 pm
here is Presidential candidate Dr. Ron PAul confirming my statement before
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XBXwfygRb9g
January 23rd, 2010 at 4:23 am
The day the Muslims accept that most of the terrorist acts are the work of Muslims,the SUN will start rising in the West.Unfortunately,the Muslims will never change for the better.They are born losers.
January 23rd, 2010 at 8:13 am
don’t underestimate the power of stubborn idiots. I have run into a few. They are quite stupid.
January 23rd, 2010 at 3:41 pm
If we are to believe Muslims over the last two decades were the most violent of all religious, ethnic and national communities, a look at the worst crimes against humanity in the last two decades should prove this to be the case. However, a list of these (Bosnia, Rwanda and Darfur) reveals two of them were in fact directed against Muslims (Darfur by Muslims themselves and Bosnia by Christians with a strong Christian mythology motivating it), and the third (Rwanda) was against a rival Christian ethnic group but was supported to some degree by the Catholic clergy (http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m1252/is_13_128/ai_76915684/).
1. Rwanda, Hutus killing Tutsis, 1994 – 800,000 civilians killed http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/1288230.stm
2. Sudan in Darfur, 2003-9 – 200,000 civilians killed http://protection.unsudanig.org/data/darfur/papers/Hagan-%20Death%20in%20Darfur%20%28Sep06%29.pdf
3. Serbs in Bosnia, 1992-5 – 100,000 civilians killed http://srebrenica-genocide.blogspot.com/2007/06/bosnian-book-of-dead.html
This excludes Iraq, the “largest major international conflict of the 21st century” (http://web.mit.edu/CIS/pdf/Human_Cost_of_War.pdf) in which 655,000 were violently killed since the invasion (until 2006) with about half the violent deaths the result of attacks by coalition forces (see report).
It also excludes Liberia (1989-2003) in which many war crimes were reported (and many atrocities suffered by Muslims), and Russian wars against Chechen Muslims (1994-present) in which many war crimes were also reported (approximately 100,000 Chechan civilians lost their lives in both the first and second Chechan wars).
Civil wars are excluded, the most devestating being Africa’s World War or the Second Congo War (1998-2003), mostly between Christians, as a result of which 5 million lost their lives, and the Sudanese Civil War (1983-2005), between Muslims, Animists and Christians, in which 1.9 people million died, as in these civil wars there is enough blame to go around.
There are of course many human rights abuses all over the world e.g. Zimbabwe, Burma, Philippines, West Papua, Thailand, Kashmir, India, Pakistan, Israel/Palestine, Somalia etc. but these are not nearly as devestating as the above.
I think it’s safe to conclude Muslims over the last two decades were not the most violent religious community and in fact bore the brunt of a large proportion of human conflicts and crimes.
January 25th, 2010 at 9:39 am
[Snipped by Danios]
Comment by Danios: Hey, thanks a lot for the tip. Excellent comment! I decided to snip your comment because it deserves an entire article. I will definitely give you a hat tip for this. Cheers!
January 28th, 2010 at 1:21 am
Only problem I have with this data, is where is the key to the second pie chart? It does not break down each act, by specific group. I could be that only Mexicans bomb us, or on 10 out of the 209 bombings where Mexicans. So where is the rest of the data? This is the data that is important. What if Extreme Left Wing groups are the ones we should be afraid of because they have bombed us 200 times? Huh that’s what’s important.
January 28th, 2010 at 1:36 am
Jesse:
“What if Extreme Left Wing groups are the ones we should be afraid of”
I don’t think we should be afraid at all…of any group. We shouldn’t be sissies. “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.”
Sincerely,
Danios.
January 28th, 2010 at 2:31 am
Well said Danios . Remember there are those such as Fox News , Murdoch press etc who want us to be afraid of everything as fear sells . They control fear they sell more papers and get more viewers. Remember the Nazis sold fear and blame to get votes . Its all about money . Remember Plastic Pam and the gnome telling people they would scare people so pay to come to their event. All the same con. Make people afraid and then control them.
January 28th, 2010 at 4:59 am
I think it is too narrow to limit terroism to US only. One should look at the global terrorism and see who are the main terrorisers and who are the killers, murderers. It seems that we lost our humanity to economics that kills to remain functional.
January 28th, 2010 at 6:37 am
Spread the word… It is very fair and supportive to the whole humanity not only Muslims.
There is a word I should say to every human-being in the world that:
“THIS IS A PROOF FOR THE MEDIA DECEPTION AND DISHONESTY. SO YOUR DUTY AND RIGHT AS A HUMAN TO CONSIDER EVERYTHING BEFORE BEING CONVINCED WITH IT”
January 29th, 2010 at 7:21 am
thank you for this article, i just want to mention the difference between jehad and terrorism.
i am muslim, comited to my religion , proud to be muslim and believe that islam is the religion of peace ,as Danios said i hear about taqia but i dont know what is it and i did not hear about kitman before.
back to jehad, what i understand about jehad is that when my country or any other muslim county get occupied by a foreign army i will fight against this army and i think his is the normal behavior of any normal human being who loves his country , imagine that your home s getting roped, you will not try to defense your family or your home ? i don’t know how this can be named as terrorism.
correct me if i am wrong, but as far as i know there are no muslim or arab armies occupying any western countries, but there are american and British and german ,..etc armies in Afghanistan and Iraq and other countries with no invitation this can be called as TERRORISM.
we (normal muslims and arabs) don’t hate Americans or western people, but we just hate when they ( their media exactly) lie about us and twist the truth , we are not monsters we are normal people who want to live normal life without occupation or interfering in their internal affairs but in the other hand we will sacrifice our lives for our religious and our countries and that is called commitment to religious and loyalty to our countries but it cant be named as terrorism.
at the end thank yo for every one who can see the truth and say it loud and for the others may GOD show you the truth as it is “not twisted”
January 29th, 2010 at 5:31 pm
Islamophobes imply many things by assuming terrorism is:
a.)mostly a Muslim phenomenon
b.)is supported by Islam
that radically interfere with the reality of humankind, not just religions.
First they assume racial hegemony between Muslims of a variety of different backgrounds. It would be nice but humans always find ways to separate themselves
Secondly it assumes that Muslims are somehow more religious. If Islam is a religion of hatred, it would not be followed so strictly as generally, acts of chaos and violence do not bode well with societies.
Yes there are terrorists who call themselves Muslim. But why do they exist? Islamophobes will bypass the intricacies of human dynamism and cultural interactions and instead apply their own flavor of prejudice and stupidity. Seriously what are they trying to protect?
February 4th, 2010 at 4:42 pm
If you restrict statistics to events with fatalities, which gets rid of the “lab rats” argument, the JDL is responsible for 12% of fatal terrorist attacks, same as Muslim extremists. The attacks ARE significantly older, however, so them not being in the media as much makes sense.
February 5th, 2010 at 8:54 am
if it comes to terrorism we should refer to israel as primary source for un-stability in mid east ! all their exports are 50% of military industries and if we look at the imports we will find that they will receive the first models of “Joint strike force F-35″ that costs about 120 Million $ ! and for what ? for attacking some 2 story houses of families of the arrested occupation resistors as a punishment for the arrested ones !!!! now are we talking about terrorist or we need first to define the word and find the children murderers and manufacturers of horror ?
February 7th, 2010 at 7:34 pm
“I took the FBI table and highlighted each entry that went to each group. So what I can do is publish that color coded table. I chose not to do it above because it would cramp up the page. I’ll post the table as a separate page so whoever wants to see it can click on it. ”
I don’t see that page. Could you show where that page is? Thanks
February 7th, 2010 at 7:59 pm
“correct me if i am wrong, but as far as i know there are no muslim or arab armies occupying any western countries, but there are american and British and german ,..etc armies in Afghanistan and Iraq and other countries with no invitation this can be called as TERRORISM.”
We went into Afghanistan after 9-11. I don’t see you criticizing the main group (Al-Qaeda) behind the 9-11 attack for waging war against the US out of Afghanistan – they are the reason why we sent our troops there. I don’t see you talking about the Taliban who made Afghans life even more difficult. I am sure many of you like myself saw RAWA videos. My understanding is that the Taliban do not follow the real Islam, right? We read news reports in main stream news of Pakistanis complaining that after the Soviets left, the US abandoned them and Afghanistan. Well, thanks to Al-Qaeda we’re now in there. And there are plenty of Americans who disagreed with Iraq very strongly and never wanted to go there.
Perhaps everyone should stop generalizing everyone else as “terrorists.”
February 8th, 2010 at 8:10 am
Most terrorists are believers in some non-proofed idea.
First there is something behind the US borders – called world. Statistics about the US only are quite stupid – especial on terrorism which is not a real issue in the US.
In the US living only 0,6% Muslims they do 6% of all terrorism. Muslims tends 10 times higher to commit terror as non-Muslims. Jews only 4,3 times higher. The US does not make it easy to immigrate for the Muslims – filter out by education -> how these guys immigrate to the US then ?
February 10th, 2010 at 3:33 am
@Saturnous
First of all your statement that muslims are .6% of US population is false. The Muslims population is currently at 1-2% but definitely not under 1%. Also you have to take into account that the Neocons and Neolibs have blown up muslim countries(carpet bombings,cluster bombing) while these attacks happened. I am not justifying the attacks at all, all im saying some of the extremist think they are fighting agaisnt occupiers of their land. Mind that most muslims coutnries(not all ie indonesia,bangladesh,malaysia) were once a single country which were then divided up even the arabs are divided up into 22 countries by the British and french and other colonialist.
March 4th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Why is there no mention of right wing white terrorism between 1980 & 2005. The Order murdered Alan Berg in 1984, the Oklahoma bombing in 1995, Eric Robert Rudolph at the olympics in 96, James Kopp in 98. Is that what all the “others” are?
March 5th, 2010 at 6:37 pm
You sure churn up a lot of words on this site, but you seem to me sidestepping the real issue. You keep saying that the fear of ‘Islamic’ terror is overblown, but you don’t address the real acts of jihad/terror that have taken place in America. For that matter, why are you restricting the conversation to America? You are pretending that violent acts by Muslims around the world will never happen here. Violent acts by Muslims occur where there are Muslims. In Dearborn, Michigan some school children proudly parrot what their Muslim parents say: “I am not American, I am Muslim!” That is what the Major said before he shot his fellow soldiers in Texas. There is a concerted effort by Muslim ‘community leaders’ to pretend that Muslims in America are under attack. That way, they can peddle their messages of hatred in the community and the mosque. You sure enjoy ridiculing those who oppose Muslim hatred, but ridicule doesn’t make them wrong. The Muslim world is full of hate, and you don’t want to admit that. Check the violence against the Copts in Egypt. Check the couple in Saudi Arabia sentenced to 25 years in jail for handling a copy of the Koran with ‘dirty hands.’ Check the instances in Israel, the Phillipines, Chechnya, where Muslims deliberately targeted school children for murder. A nun was shot dead in the hospital she helped run because the local imam was angry at something the Pope said, and told his people to attack Christians. Muslim violence is real, and you can’t pretend it away.
March 10th, 2010 at 4:30 am
I usually dont submit inblogs but you Forced me to, fantastic
March 10th, 2010 at 1:14 pm
JP: The Muslim world is full of hate
To say otherwise would be Taqqiya right? :sarcasm:
March 10th, 2010 at 3:06 pm
JP,
“You sure churn up a lot of words on this site, but you seem to me sidestepping the real issue. You keep saying that the fear of ‘Islamic’ terror is overblown, but you don’t address the real acts of jihad/terror that have taken place in America.”
This blog isn’t for making Muslims look good. Its sole purpose is to expose anti-Islamic critics and “Islamophobes”. And I can’t really help you if your think Islamic terrorism isn’t overblown…
“For that matter, why are you restricting the conversation to America? You are pretending that violent acts by Muslims around the world will never happen here.”
We acknowledge that there are also violent Muslims, but the focus isn’t on them; it’s on the bigots who tout such extremist actions and beliefs as “true Islam”. Who said that violent acts by Muslims will never happen here?
“Violent acts by Muslims occur where there are Muslims. In Dearborn, Michigan some school children proudly parrot what their Muslim parents say: ‘I am not American, I am Muslim!’”
You’re generalizing here. If you generalize, you should say something like “Violent acts by *people* occur where there are *people*”. Radical Muslims aren’t the only people who commit violent acts.
If you want to know why those kids probably say that, it’s because Muslims consider Islam to be more important than anything, including America. That doesn’t give them the right to ignore US laws and rebel
“That is what the Major said before he shot his fellow soldiers in Texas. There is a concerted effort by Muslim ‘community leaders’ to pretend that Muslims in America are under attack. That way, they can peddle their messages of hatred in the community and the mosque.”
I’m not going to lie, I haven’t been to every single mosque across America. But what you wrote above clearly shows that you’ve never listened to a sermon, or at the most listen to sermons by nutty mullahs from Afghanistan. The most “hateful” messages I’ve ever heard were just about how God is angry at the Jews for changing the Torah, ect. and even that isn’t hateful because the Koran talks about “good” Jewish people (Jews who followed the uncorrupted Torah and believed in the day of judgement) and how they’ll go to heaven for their righteousness. Also, the Koran says not to attack anyone out of hatred and prejudice. But I digress…
“You sure enjoy ridiculing those who oppose Muslim hatred, but ridicule doesn’t make them wrong. The Muslim world is full of hate, and you don’t want to admit that.”
I would be inclined to agree if I didn’t visit the Muslim world, but I did. And it’s hardly like anything you mentioned. Why wouldn’t we admit that the Muslim world has hateful people?
Check the violence against the Copts in Egypt. Check the couple in Saudi Arabia sentenced to 25 years in jail for handling a copy of the Koran with ‘dirty hands.’
Yes, I think that the religious minorities are treated unfairly in some Muslim countries, and I’m against that as much as I am the persecution of Muslims.
Also, touching the Koran with dirty hands is not punishable by law. It’s an innovation and nothing more.
“Check the instances in Israel, the Phillipines, Chechnya, where Muslims deliberately targeted school children for murder. A nun was shot dead in the hospital she helped run because the local imam was angry at something the Pope said, and told his people to attack Christians.”
That’s terrible, I agree.
“Muslim violence is real, and you can’t pretend it away.”
Of course, but that doesn’t mean you can blow it out of proportion and demonize all Muslims.
March 13th, 2010 at 1:03 pm
So that means there are 90 million Muslim terrorists. I really hope you people experience the joy of getting your heads chopped off by the Muslim sewage.
Comment by Danios: Haha, it’s awesome how stupid you are. You can’t even read the title correctly. That’s how poor your reading comprehension is. Hint: It’s not saying that 6% of MUSLIMS are terrorists, douchebag.
March 13th, 2010 at 2:29 pm
@ barrnakedislan:
that is, if the Latinos, communists, and the Jews don’t get us first!
Just echoing ur hateful babble.
March 13th, 2010 at 3:39 pm
“So that means there are 90 million Muslim terrorists. I really hope you people experience the joy of getting your heads chopped off by the Muslim sewage.”
LOLOL basic reading comprehension and statistics fails you.
March 13th, 2010 at 8:05 pm
Typical selective Leftist deception.
Noone refers only to the US when discussing terrorism, there’s a big world out there dummies and the majority of terrorist acts are committed by your Muslim friends. Try to deny it.
March 13th, 2010 at 9:53 pm
Douchebag:
“Typical selective Leftist deception”
A bad case of projection. It is the far right wing that engages in “selective deception.”
“Noone refers only to the US when discussing terrorism, there’s a big world out there dummies”
We have another article on terrorism in Europe, in which it is 99+% by non-Muslims. I do intend to write a third follow-up article that will take a look on the world scene what the situation is. Additionally, I will put up statistics about the severity of such attacks, which is the only defense the hatemongers come up with now. Stay tuned.
Sincerely,
Danios.
March 13th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Check out [snipped] smug lib.
Here’s a small sampling…
Sincerely,
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March 13th, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Douchebag:
I provided statistics from the FBI and Europol. You come back and provide a hate website (ReligionofPeace.com) as your source, LOL. Got anything better than that? That’s actually the site I alluded to when I said that Islamophobes quote that phenomenal number of how many supposed acts of Islamic terror have been committed. It just doesn’t jive with the official data as provided by authoritative bodies.
Sincerely,
A very smug (and far smarter than you) liberal.
March 13th, 2010 at 11:09 pm
You’ve got to love how Danios trounces these clowns.
March 21st, 2010 at 4:37 am
I absolutely love your website..awesome..amazing and out of this world…I would like to know wat u guyz think about Tarek Fatah? I just watched him on a youtube video discussing about the “stealth jihad” on fox along side other certified loons.
March 25th, 2010 at 10:14 am
That’s all very interesting but the simple fact is that Islam is another man-made religion, followed by absolute sheep who cannot think for themselves, like every other religion. If everyone in the world just woke up, realised that there is no mythical being watching over us, and got on with just being a good person the world would be a much better place. Why people have to believe this absolute mumbo-jumbo (and in extreme cases use it as an excuse for murder)is completely beyond me! Just because your parents and your little friends believe something, it doesn’t mean you have to as well. It is called thinking for yourself, all you narrow-minded religious freaks out there should try it some time! Oh and if in the highly unlikely event that there was a God/Allah/Tooth Fairy, do you honestly think he would give a cr*p whether you stick your a*se up in the air while facing in a certain direction a certain number of times a day? Do you not think that an all-powerful being might have more important things to think about? Just thought I would give you something to contemplate, even though I know you won’t because religious bigots already have all the answers don’t they?
March 25th, 2010 at 5:56 pm
Gee LJB UK, what a knowledge bank of theological expertise you are.
March 25th, 2010 at 7:40 pm
Do these statistics include acts of state terror, such as those committed by the Israeli and American military in Palestine and Afghanistan and Iraq?
Or is blowing up things and killing civilians only defined as terrorism based on who does and to whom they do it?
March 26th, 2010 at 6:58 pm
This article and blog comments are fascinating. I’ve read there are about 1 and a half billion muslims in the world. I do not believe that many are terrorists. Whoever said that they were is stupid. Not even close. Like in the single digit percentage. But I would like to know if there is any reliable data that gives the approximate percentage that are?
April 2nd, 2010 at 7:58 pm
LJB UK
Just like communist leaders like Marx, Stalin and Mao who wanted a world without religion? No offense, I’m agnostic, but the world needs religion – it may silence people in bad ways, but in good ways too.
See: Islamic Golden Age, Jewish creations, Jainism, etc.
April 3rd, 2010 at 2:37 pm
LBJ UK so violence justified by that ante-diluvian relic of tribalism, euphemistically jazzed up as “Nationalism” is all fine & dandy is it now?
In fact atheistic Social Darwinist ideologies in the last century alone killed more human beings than that in the whole of the history of mankind prior to that era.
April 10th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Why is it so relevant if the Islamic terror is overblown or not? How is it relevant that non-Muslims commit terror attacks too? We all agree that there are Muslim Terrorists, correct? We all agree that Foreign Muslims have attacked the USA, causing death to American citizens, right? We all agree that the terror acts were premeditated and committed in the name of Islam, right? Great then, nuff said. At this point in our line of agreement, there is no reason to blame Islam nor to believe that a terror attack by a Muslim reveals anything new truths about the nature of Islam as a whole.
So, law enforcement does its job and because the attackers made a big deal about their motives being all about Islam, we see a variety of, understandably, infuriated Islamic clerics and organizations come out with statements or comments that say in some way, “Islam was not a sponsor of the terror. The terrorists in question were in no way representing the views of the Islamic religion in there actions.” case closed. We go about recovering from the damage knowing that at least Islam, nor any other world-scale group, did this terror: which is good, because had the terror not been just another isolated crime, committed by random crazy people that come out of the woodwork every now and then to do something crazy and awful.
As we know this isn’t how the situation unfolded and not the response that ensued.
Instead of a solid, unmistakable rejection of support by Islam for the terrorists, we get news that there are a bunch more of them. Enough terrorists claiming intentions on behalf of Islam, for “Islam” not to have been aware. Where were the normal, peaceful Muslims before the attack – announcing to us that there are some freaks claiming to be Muslims and they want to kill you? There were at least thousands of such terrorists training in some way, somewhere, wouldn’t you say? If so, is it reasonable to believe that thousands of crazy people, trained for years to attack America, and none of the “99.99%” peace loving Muslims knew about them until they heard of the attack, just like the rest of us?
Islam has only good intentions, and wishes us Americans well – but somehow it slipped their mind to be clear about whatever they knew of the threat? That’s after how many years that they might have bothered to address and deal with the problem for the benefit of their own religion and organization; no peace loving organization would tolerate and ignore thousands of crazy guys, training and preparing to kill people in the name of the organization, right?
1. Muslims had to know about the terrorists.
2. Muslims, before the terror, did not denounce and dispel the terrorists; if the terrorists were so radically distorting Islamic doctrine and offending Islamic values, why weren’t the offenders expelled, condemned, reported, spotlighted and/or whatever actions a large group might take to protect their own interests.
3. Muslims didn’t announce, at least in any kind of way that Americans like myself would notice, any threats, warnings, threat alerts, or news releases of any nature. No heads up about the existence of radical crazy people that want to kill us. No mention of some trouble they were having with small but growing group of crazy people claiming to be Muslims. No reports to law enforcement officials from a single Muslim who heard some Emom, or fellow Muslim, say something that sounded kind of scary.
So we have: Millions of peaceful Muslims. A few thousand crazy people training for Jihad and planning to kill in the name of Islam. And not one of those Millions of peaceful, innocent Muslims knew anything about it. That can’t be true, right? That’s why I hold Islam accountable and question the values and intentions of the religion as a whole.
April 27th, 2010 at 1:52 pm
israelis are terrorists. they have killed 425 innocent civillians and injured 2200 people many of the injured are children who have had their legs amputated. A typical scene in gaza:
A paletsinian child from teh gaza strip:
-amputated legs
-on a wheel chair
-an orphan
-his mums a widow
-no food or money
-uneducated
the same goes for the generations before. how can you possibly call them terrorists.
israelis are the ones using F-16 BOMBS not palestinians. they try fight back because they have dignity and want to stand up for themselves so they throw HOME MADE ROCKETS that are up to a max of 1m. COME ON how long would it take people to realise this
April 27th, 2010 at 3:33 pm
French man:
I would stay away from saying “Israelis”, because there are also Israelis who are human rights workers who speak out against their own government, peaceniks who refuse to fight, etc etc.
In the words of the Quran, a book you may value if you are a Muslim: “Not all of them are alike…”
But yes, I agree with you that the *state* of Israel is a terrorist state. It was founded upon terrorism and today engages in state terror.
Sincerely,
Danios.
April 27th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
HEY DIRK,
Muslims fought terrorism way befor 9/11 and according to the Egyptian Prez, warned America about an impending attack, even the Northern Alliance was fighting Al Qeada and the Taliban before American invaded Afghanistan
April 27th, 2010 at 4:51 pm
Countless countries around the world have a great deal of violence in their early histories, yet you think Israel is uniquely evil? You’re also ignoring the positive side of Israel’s early history, such as the thousands of volunteers who made up the Jewish brigades as opposed to the low number of Arabs who fought for the allies.
Comment by Danios: First, Israel continues operating with “a great deal of violence” to this day. Second, the number of Muslims who fought on the side of the Allies numbers in the millions.
April 27th, 2010 at 8:01 pm
“First, Israel continues operating with “a great deal of violence” to this day.”
Compared to other Middle Eastern nations and other countries such as Serbia it’s easy to see that Israel doesn’t deserve to be singled out as a ‘terrorist state’.
“Second, the number of Muslims who fought on the side of the Allies numbers in the millions.”
Please provide a source for this fantasy number; there was only Arab Palestine brigade, even wikipedia can tell you that:
“The British were unable to achieve their goal of enlisting an equal number of Jews and Arabs into the Palestine Regiment. There was one Arab volunteer to each three Jews.”
Not to mention the election of Amin El Husseini and the fact that nazi propaganda was embraced by Egypt which lead to Egypt sheltering nazis such Aribert Heim. Let me be clear that I’m not equating Islam to nazism; this is an issue of culture not religion.
April 27th, 2010 at 8:21 pm
Mahgoub; one of the key problems with communism was it’s rejection of human rights and how it demanded absolute devotion, two traits shared by religion. Crediting religion with things that great men such as Ibn Rushd achieved is absurd. Mainly because if we study the actual history we learn that Ibn Rushd had his books burnt multiple times on the orders of a caliph and Islamic rules were the main reason that muslims failed to preserve Galen’s methods. I fail to see how the achievements of the Jewish people can be credited to religion and how is Jainism an achievement? Granted their flag looks good on an armband but c’mon. It’s time for people to realize that no one needs something as absurd as religion; haven’t we had enough centuries of lives being ruined because of silly fables?
April 27th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Cagliostro:
Israel is one of the worst offenders when it comes to state terrorism. One can simply count the number of dead and displaced because of their actions, which numbers in the millions.
“Please provide a source for this fantasy number; there was only Arab Palestine brigade, even wikipedia can tell you that”
It is not my problem if your knowledge is limited to wikipedia. Do you know how many Muslims from India fought on the side of the Allies? If you did, you wouldn’t have the audacity to use the words “fantastic” when you speak with me. We’ve been over this a million times on this site, and I think we should finally publish an article to shut you guys up once and for all: there were hundreds of thousands of Muslims–maybe millions–who fought on the side of the Arabs, and your lack of knowledge about that is only reflective of your profound ignorance.
Sincerely,
Danios.
April 27th, 2010 at 9:44 pm
“Israel is one of the worst offenders when it comes to state terrorism. One can simply count the number of dead and displaced because of their actions, which numbers in the millions.”
So you think Israel is worse than Iran, Saudi Arabia, Serbia etc? Don’t make me laugh.
“It is not my problem if your knowledge is limited to wikipedia. Do you know how many Muslims from India fought on the side of the Allies?”
I said Arabs, not Muslims; go back and reread my post you clearly didn’t understand it.
April 27th, 2010 at 10:12 pm
“So you think Israel is worse than Iran, Saudi Arabia, Serbia etc? Don’t make me laugh.”
According to objective peace rankings, Israel is part of the butt of humanity.
http://www.visionofhumanity.org/gpi/results/rankings.php
“Global Peace Index Rankings
The table below provides the GPI rankings for the 144 countries analysed in 2009. Rankings for the 140 countries analysed in 2008 and the 121 countries analysed in 2007 are also included. Countries most at peace are ranked first. A lower score indicates a more peaceful country. You can click on a country to see the detail of its peace indicators and drivers.
99. Iran
104. Saudi Arabia
140. Sudan
141. Israel
142. Somalia
143. Afghanistan
144. Iraq “
April 27th, 2010 at 11:48 pm
I think isreal is worse than the countries you mention
look at the new Berlin wall they have built
lthey already have atomic weapons and the threat they pose to neighbours
look at the recent invasion of Gaza
other countries are not perfect by all means but you cannot go on opressingwhole communities
April 28th, 2010 at 12:04 am
Cagliostro, Israel calls itself a liberal democracy and many in the West say it is(although it is really a psuedo-theocracy since in order for it to exist it has to have majority Jewish population and they call themselves a Jewish state, unlike America which doesn’t call itself officially a Christian nation or have to have a Christian majority no matter what the Republicans think) while Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc. are not considered democracy even by their own populations. This is why Israel is held to a higher standard. While it may not be a terrorist state, it uses excessive force and has sometimes killed civilians indiscriminately. It is also a fact that many of its past political leaders such as former Prime Minister Begin(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irgun) and Shamir(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stern_gang), were terrorists before Israel founding and killed British, Jewish and Arab Civilians including in the King David Hotel Bombing which was praised by current PM Nethanyahu who created a memorial for those terrorists on the 60ths anniversary: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/King_David_Hotel_bombing
April 28th, 2010 at 1:26 am
Cagliostro:
“So you think Israel is worse than Iran, Saudi Arabia, Serbia etc?”
Absolutely. There is no question about that. Iran has never attacked another country for over a century, and Saudi Arabia–aside from a very brief border war in the 1930′s–has never invaded another country since its creation. Meanwhile, Israel has attacked, invaded, and occupied numerous countries, and utilized state terror to kill and displace millions of people. If you count the number of civilians killed and displaced by Israel, and compare it to those killed/displaced by Saudi Arabia, there is absolutely no comparison. Israel wins by a landslide. Still laughing?
I suspect, however, you will be forced to move the goalposts now, and start talking about stuff other than state terror.
“said Arabs, not Muslims; go back and reread my post you clearly didn’t understand it.”
You are the one who did not read my post. I said “Muslims” and then you stupidly said “where’d you get that fantastic number from?” But since you are obviously caught off guard by what I said, you have been forced to restrict it now to “Arabs” and shy away from your “fantastic number” comment.
But OK, let’s now talk about Arabs. Notwithstanding the mufti (whom Islamophobes like you love to point to), Palestinians joined the British against the Nazis, and several Palestinian brigades existed. And then we have the example of Morocco, the fourth most populous Arab country, whose king was a staunch ally of the Allies.
Upwards of half of the free French forces that landed in southern France in 1944 were North and West Africans, most of which were Muslims and many of whom were Arabs.
Muslims, both Arabs and non-Arabs, had a very big contribution to the Allied effort, and you are an intolerant bigot for even bringing this up. Do you bash Japanese people since “they” supported the Nazis? You should be ashamed of yourself for even bringing this sort of tribalistic thinking to the world.
But to completely silence you, I will remind you (or rather, *inform* you since you are no doubt ignorant of it, being the ignoramus you are) of the Zionist collaboration with the Nazis. The Lehi (Stern Gang)–a Zionist terrorist group that helped to found the state of Israel–offered the Nazis their assistance, promising to spy on the Allies, and help the Nazis engage in sabotage. They promised to wage war in the Middle East on behalf of the Nazis.
Since you obviously don’t know this group (due to your profound ignorance), I will save you the trouble of searching for them on wikipedia and reproduce it here:
“In 1980 the group was honored by the institution of the Lehi ribbon, a military decoration awarded “for military service towards the establishment of the State of Israel”.[10] Future Israeli prime minister Yitzhak Shamir was among its leaders.”
Please, do not waste my time now. Run along, Barry.
Sincerely,
Danios.
April 28th, 2010 at 1:28 am
Loonwatch
Behold how Caglisotro/Barry Lyndon/Wilbur Whitely/Cassidy/Hellyboy?and how many other monikers this character has had here, shifts and diverts the thread off topic
I think it is very clear that his sole purpose here is to
1. Let’s divert subjects
2. Let’s convince Muslims they’re better off as atheists
3. To be successfully able to post my garbage, it’s better I pose as a friend in civil rights.
Well this odious character does not bring anything of value here. He deliberately twists and rewrites history to fit his bigotry against religon.
I know you probably want to increase readership and a lively comments section is to be encouraged, but that doesn’t mean that the Wilbur Whitelys of the world should be given a platform here. He/she is in the wrong place.
I see no reason why he/she cannot start his own forum, many platforms like Wordress or blogger are available freely for him to post his obsessions. We should not have to suffer them. Don’t take my word for it, put it to the vote here, that’s only fair.
I suggest this,
1. How about having a poll at Loonwatch, (open source polls can be found on the internet) and asking members to vote on obnoxious members for a permanent ban.
2. Banning persistent offenders by IP.
3. Have a membership where members have to register with password and IP. This won’t stop the likes of Cagliostoro, but that couples with IP monitor should stop return offenders from infesting this website.
April 28th, 2010 at 2:11 am
“there is absolutely no comparison. Israel wins by a landslide”
Wrong, [snipped]
Comment by Danios: I didn’t read past your first line, because–like I suspected–you moved the goalposts. What does “whipping rape victims” have to do with state terror? *This* is the reason why I don’t approve your comments, because you are a master at moving the goal posts thereby making it impossible to end debates with you. Good bye, Barry.
April 28th, 2010 at 4:00 am
Beautiful Muslim Doll:
I have requested the admin numerous times to ban Barry. However, the admin has said that he (Barry) hasn’t done anything ban worthy.
There is a difference of opinion between various LW writers on the level of moderation that should be done. In my articles, however, he is not welcome…the only reason being that I get royally annoyed by the way he constantly moves the goalposts.
Sincerely,
Danios.
April 29th, 2010 at 6:47 pm
The title of this article is HORRIBLE. It implies that the data says that 6% of muslims are terrorists, and not that only 6% of terrorist attacks in the US are by muslims.
PLEASE CHANGE THE TITLE.
And by the way, when 6% people who are in millions are terrorists, then those are TOO MUCH. So again, change the title to reflect what the facts say.
Comment by Danios: I thank you for your concern, but the title does not imply that all. That would only be the case if it read “Only 6% of Muslims are terrorists.”
May 19th, 2010 at 7:22 am
I find this very childish =D I think ur all children trying to present all those big arguments. just where has the simplicity in life gone too? we’re all humans =/ we all live in the same world…and yet we fight?
May 19th, 2010 at 10:10 am
So the most dangerous group to America (next to latinos) is liberals?
Where is the “extreme right wing groups” section?
May 30th, 2010 at 10:56 pm
Wow, Danios. No idea how you find the time to generate such a great page, much less to dance with so many commentators. But I’m glad I followed the link to your page. Trackback to http://muslimmatters.org/2010/05/30/time-for-action-sunday-open-thread-53009-michael-berry-740ktrh-muslim-advocatescall-white-house-june-4/ (Sorry, it’s a ridiculously long link. Shortened version: http://bit.ly/dBtUlg )
I myself gave up reading the comments half-way down the page, so I have no idea whether you plan on doing an analysis of the types of acts of terrorism which the FBI blames on each group. For example, are all the bombs blamed on Muslims?
Data mining almost always ends in crimes against intelligence and logic, but at least your charts show that TV and print media do not portray reality.
June 9th, 2010 at 10:37 am
I am SO glad to see that the muslims who are behind this website admit that 6% … SIX PERCENT …. of the muslims ARE terrorists!!!!
Let’s see, 6% of 1.5 BILLION muslims is that there are 90 MILLION MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!!!
NINETY MILLION MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!
Thank you for admitting that!! lol
June 9th, 2010 at 10:58 am
It’s amazing how many people can’t read properly. Nobody said that 6% of Muslims are terrorists.
June 9th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Danios But I am sure Pam Geller will soon
June 9th, 2010 at 2:21 pm
Unfortunately, not being able to read and/or use rational thought is a common affliction!
June 9th, 2010 at 3:21 pm
Thanks, Danios for ever being the muslim apologist! Nice submission there, Danios!
June 9th, 2010 at 3:22 pm
No problem.
June 9th, 2010 at 3:35 pm
NoDhimmi,
Did you bother to read this article? You obviously don’t reflect well on the JihadWatch readership.
June 10th, 2010 at 9:46 am
terror is actually just a latin word for awe.
Today it seems only used for muslims and then congratulate them self at their decisions that only muslims are terrorist.
its like saying a western bomb which kills people is not terror cause they west drop it form a plane
June 10th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
Rama, do not try to teach Latin to all of us when it is obvious you do not have a clue of what you are talking about.
“Terror’ is NOT from the Latin meaning ‘awe’.
You would love it to be and to think that the world would be in AWE of islam! Nothing could be further from the truth! The world DESPISES the barbarity and the inhumanity of islam!
The word “terror” comes from the Latin word “terrere” which means “to FRIGHTEN”. Not ‘awe’! But to “frighten”!
And that is why mohammed the liar commanded his inhuman followers to strike fear into the heart of those who were not muslims. His own family disowned him and drove him out of Mecca! Everyone hated him! So he went to lying and attacking and torturing and killing people wherever he went!
What a nice heritage islam has!!!!!
June 10th, 2010 at 12:44 pm
And mohammed was the first practitioner of TERRORISM!!!
And since he is the EXAMPLE of a PERFECT MAN, all muslims feel that they have to follow mohammed’s example and be terrorists! And to gain their 72 virgins!
Unfortunately for you, here is what your 72 virgins look like!! rotflol
[link snipped]
June 12th, 2010 at 9:49 am
It is true that behind every mass movement or idea, an ‘ism’ is attached. This ‘ism’ is often coherent with the ideology of the followers or a name quoted by media. It is the media, who have reserved the word ‘terrorism’ exclusively for Jihadis! All others who are involved in such activities are given different ‘isms’ that either glorify their work or softens their acts of terror!
So terrorists in Jharkhand are called ‘maoists’ or ‘naxals’. Terrorists in the north-eastern states are called ‘militants’. Tamil terrorists in Sri Lanka are dubbed as ‘tigers’ while the Irish terrorists were ‘separatists’. Terrorists in Africa are ‘insurgents’, The Cuban terrorists were ‘rebels’, the Hungarian ones were ‘extremists’, the Chinese terrorists are ‘radicals’ and the American terrorists are ‘counter-insurgents’. The Israeli terrorists are ‘commandos’ and the communist terrorists are ‘revolutionaries’.
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June 13th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
I don’t car if they are or are not terrorists. Get them out of the country.
Why do non-whites insist on invading White countries? We don’t want you in the USA, Canada, or Europe. Get out.
June 17th, 2010 at 3:42 am
good to see that someone tried to understand what the hell media is doing, they are just highliting bad stories so that in genral people get implression of all the bad thing in this world is due to muslims. i wonder someone dont say that world war 1 & 2 was started due to muslims, and atom bomb on japan was droped by muslims!
for God sake, stop blaming everything to muslim, and stop making sideline to us, we are the same muslim before 9/11, every nation/religion has bad and good people, if there are few bad ones in us, it doesnt mean, all the muslims are bad. i wish we alll could live with peace.
June 18th, 2010 at 6:05 pm
rizwan yahya, you said, “good to see that someone tried to understand what the hell media is doing, they are just highliting bad stories so that in genral people get implression of all the bad thing in this world is due to muslims.”
Nothing could be further from the truth, rizwan!
muslims are wonderfully capable all by themselves to show the world that most of what is bad is due to muslims! Over 90% of the conflicts currently going on in the world right now are due to islam!
Contrary to what YOU say, the media has been a lapdog of the muslim apologists and the media covers up MOST of the muslim terrorist attacks so that people do not even know about them.
So, rizwan, you are WRONG on all counts!
June 19th, 2010 at 12:53 am
NotADhimmiYetbutADumbass: Over 90% of the conflicts currently going on in the world right now are due to islam!
Is Islam a walking talking entity capable of carrying out conflicts?
June 19th, 2010 at 3:54 am
Let’s see this NotADhimmyYet (NADY) brother. Or, to be exact, this NADY lil bro.
NADY said: “Let’s see, 6% of 1.5 BILLION muslims is that there are 90 MILLION MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!!!”
I say: Look at the article, here you go since I’m not sure your defunct brain can do it on its own “But perception is not reality. The data simply does not support such a hasty conclusion. On the FBI’s official website, there exists a chronological list of all terrorist attacks committed on U.S. soil from the year 1980 all the way to 2005. That list can be accessed here (scroll down all the way to the bottom).” ==> 6% refers to terrorist attacks comitted on US. Soil. DO ALL MUSLIM, the 1.5 Billion, served as the bassis for that 6%? NOPE.
NADY said: “And that is why mohammed the liar commanded his inhuman followers to strike fear into the heart of those who were not muslims. His own family disowned him and drove him out of Mecca! Everyone hated him! So he went to lying and attacking and torturing and killing people wherever he went!”
Don’t be shy o you lil boy. Show us.
I say: Baseless accusation. You’re too desperate I see. You’re calling our Prophet as a liar, care to show where? what? when?
WAITTT, may I use the Bible?
Numbers 31:13-18 NIV
13 Moses, Eleazar the priest and all the leaders of the community went to meet them outside the camp. 14 Moses was angry with the officers of the army—the commanders of thousands and commanders of hundreds—who returned from the battle. 15 “Have you allowed all the women to live?” he asked them. 16 “They were the ones who followed Balaam’s advice and were the means of turning the Israelites away from the LORD in what happened at Peor, so that a plague struck the LORD’s people. 17 Now kill all the boys. And kill every woman who has slept with a man, 18 but save for yourselves every girl who has never slept with a man.
WAIIITTT, WHAT ABOUT THIS ONE?
Ezekiel 9:3-8 NIV
3 Now the glory of the God of Israel went up from above the cherubim, where it had been, and moved to the threshold of the temple. Then the LORD called to the man clothed in linen who had the writing kit at his side 4 and said to him, “Go throughout the city of Jerusalem and put a mark on the foreheads of those who grieve and lament over all the detestable things that are done in it.” 5 As I listened, he said to the others, “Follow him through the city and kill, without showing pity or compassion. 6 Slaughter old men, young men and maidens, women and children, but do not touch anyone who has the mark. Begin at my sanctuary.” So they began with the elders who were in front of the temple. 7 Then he said to them, “Defile the temple and fill the courts with the slain. Go!” So they went out and began killing throughout the city. 8 While they were killing and I was left alone, I fell facedown, crying out, “Ah, Sovereign LORD! Are you going to destroy the entire remnant of Israel in this outpouring of your wrath on Jerusalem?”
What say you NADY? Especially in response to “And mohammed was the first practitioner of TERRORISM!!!”
hmm? lol
July 3rd, 2010 at 9:00 am
RE: “All Terrorists are Muslim…” Give me a break. Very few Americans think all terrorists are Muslims. Me, like a fool, started to believe your statistics until I looked them up myself on the FBI website. These statistics cover all kinds of “terrorist” attacks, even when a loon takes a neighbor hostage. When you look at the deaths by political ideology bombing/attacks, however, then you get a very different picture. See the FBI graph in the same document breaking down the casualties caused by terrorist attacks. About 90% are from Islamic extremists. Loonwatch: please look in the mirror.
July 5th, 2010 at 3:09 pm
Danios…you are the man. Thank you for bringing some sense to all this bullshi*. Keep it up, we need more balance in fear-saturated America.
July 5th, 2010 at 4:56 pm
That guy in Time Sq with the SUV full of explosive was a Rabbi.
You guys are so far out there, it’s funny to watch. Loonwatch indeed!
July 9th, 2010 at 9:58 am
So, looks like we should be Latinophobes instead, eh? Of the groups listed, how many have dropped to multi-story office buildings with thousands of victims?
July 9th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Since you will not post two of my messages, let me post them again….
“NotADhimmiYet Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation.
June 23rd, 2010 at 9:23 pm
ibn abu talib, you said, “Is Islam a walking talking entity capable of carrying out conflicts?”
In a word Yes!! A resounding YES!!!
Your own brother muslims declare it! They are a great “muslim army” at war with the west!”
July 14th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
The above article is known as lies, damn lies and statistics. In effect juggling with figures. If you count 9/11 as 1 attack, then yeah, I guess that the above chart is correct. If you however take the bodycount in to account to provide a better representation of the impact of terrorism per kind of perpetrator, the slice of the islamic extremism will explode. This because those few unlucky abortion doctors can’t make up for 9/11.
But that of course isn’t the goal of this article. The goal of the article is to redeem Islam of terrorism? To what purpose actually?
July 18th, 2010 at 8:44 am
there is a calculation eror in d pie chart the total is 320 not 318
July 22nd, 2010 at 6:24 pm
Well, I think the media covers the terror plots based on scale. I think that the it’s front page news no matter who tries to plant a bomb in times square. In fact that was front page news before anyone new the bomber’s motivations. Same with Ft. Hood.
July 26th, 2010 at 7:05 pm
If you tell a lie long enough people will begin to believe it!
July 28th, 2010 at 5:48 pm
Just for the info your main article highlights how jews have committed more terrorist crimes than Muslims on US soil. Yet the JDL was only active between 1980 and 1986 committed 17 terrorist acts killing a total of 7 people.
and then when you expand the database to 2010 later on you momit Islamic crimes by highlighting that Puerto Ricans commit the most terrorist acts.
Yet one single act in 2001 out performs all the others added up, why the Washington shooter killed more people than the JDL.
Poor article
July 29th, 2010 at 5:50 am
Those who say “How come there are no Christian terrorist groups that murder people?” would do well to do a bit of research on the Lord’s Resistance Army in Africa. Then spend a minute pondering that quote about casting the first stone.
August 2nd, 2010 at 4:50 am
ak Says:
June 13th, 2010 at 12:57 pm
“I don’t car if they are or are not terrorists. Get them out of the country.”
Why should they get out? Are you the president?
“Why do non-whites insist on invading White countries? We don’t want you in the USA, Canada, or Europe. Get out.”
Invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan by non-whites? Are you being silly now?
Why should they get out?Do you own this country? Why don’t you get out of this website and crawl back to where your hatred is welcomed (ie Jihadwatch). Get a life loser, hatred begets hatred as I have proved.
August 8th, 2010 at 5:31 am
Bro…..YOU DA MAN!!!
YEA!!! SHOW ‘EM WHOS BOSS!!!
sorry for my troll like language…just wanted to let you know my appreciation…
August 8th, 2010 at 10:22 am
Muslims murdered at least 5 million Muslims and others:
World-wide Muslim terrorist atacks. Sadam (2,5 million Muslims) Djanjaweed in Sudan (1 million) Idi Amin at least 50.000, Ghaddafi, Iran: Mullah Khomeinie and still Ammajinnidad, Muslims murdering Muslims in Afghanistan, Pakistan, in Irak also Al Qaeda, Egypt, Somalia, Eritrea,
in Indonesia:1950s
Revolt by conservative Muslims in Sumatra (1958-61): 3,735 govt. + 29,708 rebels [= 33,443]
S&S, Eckhardt:
Govt. vs. Moluccans (1950): 5,000
Govt. vs. Darul Islam (1953): 1,000
Govt. vs. Leftists (1956-60): 30,000
TOTAL: 36,000
WHPSI:
1950: 1,300
1951: 2,200
1952: 1,500
1953: 493
1954: 419
1955: 4,500
1956-60: 27,980
TOTAL 38,392 deaths
Not to forget thousands of communists murdered by Indonesian Government.
Muslims also murder christian in Indonesia – Atjeh, Lombok; and in many other Islamic countries, such as Pakistan regularly, where around 1970 progroms on christians ‘Black Blasphemy Laws’. Christian are murdered by Talibans, not allowed in S.A. Christians appear not to be welcome amongst Muslims, amazing that Muslims are so eager to come to Western countries full of christians – and Jews – such as in Britain. Where ‘God save the Queen’ is certainly not ‘Allah’ in Koran, but blasphemy for the christian Queen of England, blasphemously called ‘Jezus’ in Koran in Christendom a bit much of an insult for christians.
How come ‘Moses and Abraham were Muslims’? Two Jews as ‘the first Muslims’? Oh no, sorry ‘the first Muslims were Adam and Eve’ taken from the Jews’ Thora.
I’d say Muslims you should be gratful to the Jews and christians for a large part of Koran.
However, since Koran ruthlessly abolishes Christendom and Judaisme, christians and Jews have nothing to be grateful for, not done to distort other people’s Holy Books; and Koran does so using violence against christians and Jews. This while Koran, apart from sura’s, with many things changed, copied from the New Testament (in essence Christianity) and the Old Testament/Thora from the Jews.
Without Christendom – and Judaisme of the Jews – Koran would be very thin indeed.
Wish you well learning about the true Koran/Mohammed as the true inspiration for ‘jihad’ (except for one defending war) from the start Mohammed conquered with the sword; and after Mohammed followed 10 centuries of attacking wars by Muslims invasions of India, Persia, Egypt, Jeruzalem, Constantinople (Istanbul) Spain, Italy, Poland, Greece, Hungary, Balkans …
Islam never was a religion of Peace.
The best prescription for self-knowledge is to know your own history.
Note that only Muslim immigrants have attacked in Europe.
The Talibans are the Nazi Gestapo of Afghanistan, with mullah’s as warlords enriching themselves at the expense of poor Afghans; and ‘sharia’ punishments in courts as the Koran Inquisition, a disaster stranglehold against development of Afghanistan.
Saddam a mass murderer of Muslims….
every Islamic country forms of dictatorship – for one censureship. Prohibited to leave Islam, punishable by death sentence under ‘sharia’, made life-long prisoners of Koran, but ‘slaves’.
I wish you Muslims well.
August 13th, 2010 at 11:13 am
^ Right, considering your vast knowledge of the Qur’an, I’m sure you know that a good portion of Jews and Christians will be admitted to Paradise right? Whoops, so much for “ruthlessly abolishing CHRISTIANITY and JUDAISM (learn to spell damnit)”. The facts are in your face buddy, no need to recall fabricated historical figures to prove a moot point. *facepalm*
August 14th, 2010 at 7:15 am
Muslims are not terrorists, they are the best people on earth.
August 16th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
good job danios. u r the man!!
August 18th, 2010 at 5:47 am
Even FBI is not immune to the discrimination. All the attacks for which Al Qaeda is alleged are marked in blue. Also the attacks in Madrid, Riyadh, London are also mentioned which are not US soil. So all the attacks by Al Qaeda anywhere in the world pose a threat to US security but by any other non-Muslim organisation certainly is not.
August 19th, 2010 at 12:34 pm
Funny that they call out “Left” Wing groups but no mention of the “Right” wing terrorists like McVey, or the Aryan Nation or the Militias.
August 19th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
Just curious, what percentage of islamophobes are straw-men? According to this article it must be close to 100%.
August 22nd, 2010 at 10:57 pm
article was good and the importance which was given the for muslims was excellent thank you http://manashosting.com
August 23rd, 2010 at 5:24 am
Where does Russell Edgington fall on this scale? That time he ripped the spine out of that reporter or national TV was pretty terrifying.
August 23rd, 2010 at 12:56 pm
How are abortion clinic bombings not included in this? why are the christian terrorists that i’m guessing are listed as “other” not listed as their own category?
August 23rd, 2010 at 6:48 pm
HOPELESS! AMF!
August 23rd, 2010 at 9:07 pm
Very informativE article. when will the people realise this false propgotation?? and i dont understand why these islamophobes are scared of this relgion, Islam.i personally think no matter what this miscreantrs do.. Truth will Prevail
August 24th, 2010 at 11:10 am
Some people have made the semi-valid point that you can’t judge by the number of attacks, but rather the size of the attacks. In this particular case, however, where we are trying to judge the propensity of a group of humans to be terrorists, or not, as the case may be, the absolute correct criterion is not the number of attacks. However, it is also not the number of victims. Rather, it is the number of terrorists involved in the attacks.
Hence, if you assume that the average terrorist cell is 2-3 people, then in 2001, there was spike where the number of Islamist attackers was 19. Multiplying by 20/(2+3/2), this gives a thumb of 6% x 8, or about half of the terrorist attackers in 2001 were Islamists. This seems to have been a temporary spike that went back down as this excellent article discusses.
The two known numbers here are the 19 and the 6%, we are not sure about the size of the average terrorist cell. 2-3 is pretty small, if the average is larger, then the actual percentage.
Hence, it is incorrect to assume that the tragedy of 3,000 dead somehow overwhelms all other attacks as far as the virulence of the philosophy of the attackers is concerned.
If you want to go by size of victims, over a million people have died in Iraq, at least tens of thousands of them certainly innocents. The Iraqis have paid for 9/11 far more than anyone else, despite the fact that they had nothing to do with it and never had WMDs.
September 2nd, 2010 at 9:35 am
As long as islam is treated as a religion, the West doesn’t have a prayer in hell to survive. Death to free speech. Death to libraries. Death to womens’ rights.
Listen up.
islam: a political philosophy, as is socialism, fascism, communism, totalitarianosm. NOT a religion. Get it?
Most of you don’t have the mental capacity to figure it out. Some of you, howevewr, are blessed with the brains that God gave you and can figure out that, once sharia law is impimented, that’s it for freedom forever. Examples of this fact is just to look at muslim countries surrounding Saudi.
They were once normal countries until they were taken over by islam, and now look at them. Pulling girls fingernails out with pliers for wearing fingernail polish.
Think about it. Send them all back to their sandbox.
September 2nd, 2010 at 1:15 pm
Cheryl, you’re so daft.
September 5th, 2010 at 12:37 pm
i did the same – similar analysis around 2006 and posted it here on mpac website too (amongst many others) … but for some reason it was not taken up by many people ie news media (largely affiliated to the neo con plots) as a starting point to question uk-usa policy ..
i have the article somewhere in my archives ..
The Real (Islamozionist) ‘Terror’ Threat 2000 – 2005 I thought it would be an interesting exercise to dig into some USA government statistics that are freely available via the internet: http://www.state.gov/s/ct/rls/pgtrpt/
The government and the media don’t tell us that the greatest change in the way we live, the way our freedoms have been curtailed, the way we fear the unknown, the way we demonise Islam and Muslims is entirely due to their propaganda machinery. They don’t tell us that our way of life and our democracy is under threat by the 3000 plus laws, terror laws, RIPA etc that have been enacted by our democratically elected UK government. Elected by 20% of those eligible to vote in 2005.
Of course we all know that Tony Blair had been forewarned of the probable increased threat of terrorism against the UK by intelligence agencies if he decided to enter into the conflict against Iraq. As Christopher Meyer has already alluded Blair had made up his mind soon after 9/11 after he had taken advice from God.
He was forewarned 12 months prior to the 7/7 attacks that there was a linkage between the illegal occupation of Iraq and the radicalisation of some of Britain’s Muslim youth.
The british government alone stubbornly fails to acknowledge the obvious linkage. It much prefers to blame ordinary Islam and Muslims rather than islamozionists. It much prefers the focus to be anywhere but on itself. The supine and compliant news media with its vested interests are only too happy to oblige in the daily process of this demonisation and misdirection.
What is the real worldwide threat?
It appears despite the hyperbole of our government ministers , our prime minister and news media, none are prepared to detail the numbers of actual significant attacks and deaths against the imagined or perceived threat so often detailed by this government.
The American administration very helpfully reports the significant terror acts year on year and its Patterns of Global Terrorism reports are readily available to anyone that has access to the internet.
The following is what we can discover if one takes the time to consider its content.
[Note: terror attacks might be pipelines as they might be people, there is no differention in the total collated figures stated here.]
Between the years 1984 and 1987 we find that the number of significant terror attacks peaked with 666 attacks in 1986 .
Post 1987 there is a steady decline in worldwide terror attacks averaging 400 by the year 2000, with 405 persons were killed. 152 attacks were as a result of bombings of a multinational oil pipeline in Colombia .
If one considers the period of 1981 to 1984 , the worldwide terror attacks amounted to an average per year of 400 (compared to the year 2000 where we find that there were 426 attacks) .
Approximately 80% of all attacks have been directed at Business (accounting for 66%), government , diplomats and the military. 20% of attacks are targeted at what is described as ’other’.
In the year 2001 there were 355 attacks worldwide, 291 anti American and 191 of those took place in Latin America.
At time of publication the report (Patterns of Global Terrorism) declared 2689 Americans killed with a worldwide total figure of 3572. (The 2001 figures include the 9/11 attacks) .
One hundred seventy-eight of the attacks were bombings against a multinational oil pipeline in Columbia constituting 51 % of the year’s total number of attacks.
In the year 2002 the worldwide number of attacks amounted to 198 and in total 727 people died as a result of those attacks.
The reports show that out of the 727 people that were killed , 27 were American citizens .
In the year 2003 the worldwide number of attacks amounted to 208 and in total 625 people died .
Eighty-two attacks were considered to be anti American, of those 46 took place in Latin America and 11 in mid east . American deaths amounted to 35 as a result of those attacks.
In the year 2004 the worldwide number of attacks amounted to 651 attacks and in total 1907 people died.
Sixty-four attacks were directed American assets. 62 of the victims were American citizens . We are informed for the first time that ‘suicide’ attacks accounted for 3% of the attacks.
In 2005 a chronology of terror events was released by the National Counter Terrorism Center. The format of the report has been changed from those that of previous years.
In the year 2005 the world wide number of incidents amounted to 11,111 and incidents resulting in death, injury, or kidnapping of at least one individual 8,016 (a minimum of 5,131 deaths is reported).
Incidents resulting in the death of zero individuals out of the 11,111 attacks is 5,980. American deaths amounted to 56.
What do we learn from these figures ?
We learn 2001 killing was a unique act in terms of a threat on American soil. We learn that in many cases the threat is more likely to be from Latin America than it is from the Mid East.
What we learn is that American citizens are no more likely to die pre 2001 as they are post 2001 through acts of terrorism.
We learn that the level of terrorism has increased with our interventions across the world. That is war creates unhappy individuals.
We learn that between 2001 and 2004 the number of worldwide deaths from all acts of terrorism is approximately 6600 , if we include the 2005 figures despite the changed format it amounts to approximately 11,700.
That is out of a world population of 6 billion people 11,700 people died as a result of terror attacks according to American government statistics.
In the UK 3500 people died as a result of traffic accidents last year, this year and each year since 2001 , that’s 17,500 innocent people to 2005.
In Iraq the latest (2005-6) independent survey estimates upwards of 128,000 deaths as a result of our war against WMDs, in Afghanistan it is estimated that upwards of 30, 000 individuals have been killed (2005-6) .
Israel since the onset of the second intifada has killed an estimated 4500 Palestinians (as of 2005-6).
Last year (2005) 53 UK citizens died as a result of a terrorist act on British soil. 56 Americans have been killed worldwide.
September 5th, 2010 at 12:38 pm
an european analysis
Europol: Terrorism Situation and Trend Report
Europol released “Terrorism Situation and Trend Report,” which provides an overview of terrorist activity in the European Union in 2007.
Terrorists carried out—or attempted to carry out—583 attacks last year in europe, a 24 percent increase from the previous year.
Most terrorist attacks were claimed or attributed to separatist groups in the Basque country, Spain (Euskadi Ta Askatasuna, or ETA), or in Corsica, France (Fronte di Liberazione Naziunale di a Corsica, or FLNC). ETA and FLNC were responsible for 517 attacks, constituting 88 percent of all terrorist actions.
Arrests among separatist groups were also responsible for the large increase in arrests in the European Union (EU) in 2007. Spain saw a seven-fold increase in arrested suspects compared to 2006, while France registered a 68 percent increase. In total, arrests among separatist groups represented more than half of the total arrests.
‘Islamist’ terrorism was statistically much less significant. Only four attacks were recorded: Two failed bombings in the United Kingdom (the Glasgow attacks), and two foiled plots in Germany (the Sauerland cell) and Denmark (the Glasvej case). The number of arrests could indicate a general decrease in jihadi activities.
As with 2007 almost all the terrorist attacks in the European Union in 2006 were unrelated to ‘Islamist’ terror. According to Europol, 498 attacks were carried out in the EU in 2006. The vast majority of terrorist attacks were carried out by separatist terror groups targeting France and Spain.
Of them, only one was perpetrated by ‘Islamist’ terrorists.
September 5th, 2010 at 6:54 pm
I am actually pretty familiar with the statistics, and depending on the context one can may make statistics read however they want. For example, Islamophobes argue that there is no hate crimes against Muslims citing statistics from an FBI 2008 report. However, what we have seen in the past year, especially the past several months tells a different story. The candid fact is there are not a few, but an incredible lot of Muslims who commit terrorism around the world. Another fact is that a lot of the victims of such terrorism attacks are other sects of Islam, and much of that violence is based on warped interpretations of such religious views.
Trying to argue that there are almost no Muslim terrorists is a weak argument. Anyone familiar with even the smallest bit of world news will see how weak that argument is.
But explaining that many of the VICTIMS of such terrorist attacks are other Muslims is an important fact, which explains how there is not universal, monolithic view of Islam or any other religion or belief system out there. That is a real, unquestionable argument that really does need to be discussed.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:41 am
Hey this was a great read, Danios!
Very eye-opening, and indeed this is the reality. People know that Muslims aren’t terrorists, but the newspapers like to dramatize everything, and people are stupid enough not to do their own research into what Islam is or what Muslims really believe in.
Grow up people, go do your own research!
September 7th, 2010 at 12:49 pm
Here’s reality: the book of hate says, if you need a witness and if a male isn’t available, then you can substitute TWO women to act as witnesses.
Yea, I’ve got a problem with that. So women are second class cititzens, oops!, not even citizens under your stupid islamic bullshit.
“All muslims are terrorists except the 94% that aren’t”. Right. Right as I’m goiong to that quoran burning in Gainsville and, as long as I’m there, I’ll burn every picture of that Long Legged Mack Daddy Barry Soetoro, a.k.a. Asshole President Obama.
No asshole is going to make me wear a burka, or even a scarf. And if I want to wear a bikini to the store, I’ll do that (and I have!).
Take your book of hate and put it where the sun don’t shine. Thank you, one and all. I’d rather spend my time more productively then wasting my time trying to help the stupid/ignorant. There’s no Golden Rule in islam yet the Golden Rule is what Christains are all about. You want to do us in, we’ll be sending a nuke to Mecca.
You can join the human race, or you can act as you are. It’s your choice.
And let’s do our best to make The Satanic Verses required reading for ewveryone on the planet, okay?
Thanks.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:20 pm
Yeah Cheryl, you’re obviously all about the Golden Rule. All sweetness and light, in between calls for genocide and war.
As if you’d even be able to make it through the Satanic Verses, you subliterate redneck.
September 7th, 2010 at 1:53 pm
@Cheryl
And my oh my how productive you’ve been.
Tell me if women are second class citizens in ISLAM why did they vote, own property and numerous other rights that have only been allowed to YOU in the last 100-200 years????????????? This was under your religion, ISLAM did this over 1400 years ago.
So while you’re at that Qur’an burning let me let you in a little secret Jesus is mentioned in the Qur’an some 28 times. There’s a chapter called MARYAM(MARY the mother of Jesus). So aren’t you burning mention of your “god”.
Next about the covering thing, when your at your little bar-b-que go inside the church and see how Mary is dressed. Wait she’s dressed just like muslim women still dress.
So yeah you’re liberated by wearing a bikini into a store, would Mary demean herself like that? You’re the real oppressed people, where a woman is only worth something if she’s sexy, or wants to show herself off in the most self-disrepecting ways.
So to you not-so-good woman I ask the question, who are you crappin’? And……wait for it…..wait for it………..wanna cracker?
September 11th, 2010 at 6:28 am
Your stats are misleading and apologist. Islamofascist terrorists have caused the vast majority of US casualties.They target all Americans anywhere in the world. They would love to kill you, your wife, your kids, and your dog.
“The gift of Islamofascism to the 22st Century….internet beheadings.”
Having said that, we need peaceful Muslims to help us fight this war againsts the fascists who use Islam to promote their quest for power.
But we cannot deny that the nature of Islam (and middle east culture) makes it prone to be distorted so that a good number of followers will intentionally target innocent civilians for harm.
September 11th, 2010 at 9:44 am
You have a chance to become a member of the community of humans yet you give the world the finger and you wonder why you’re the #1 hate group of the world?
WATCH THE MOVIE FINA, and this time see if you can pay attention. Maybe, just maybe, one of you ragheads will be able to put two and two together and see that your book of hate is just that, and tat’s it.
NO BURKAS or SCARFS, assholes. There is not one woman on earth that likes to wear a burka, unless she’s a fat pig.
So a women is supposed to be a virgin on her wedding night, then why not a man? What, you got a double standard, one rule for men and another for women? Sorry Pal, doesn’t work that way. What is good for the goose is good for the gander. Deal with it.
September 11th, 2010 at 10:04 am
Cheryl you moron. The rules of chastity apply equally to everyone before God, men and women.
Are Catholic nuns ‘fat pigs’ by your approximation? Was Mother Mary? You blaspheme your own traditions of Judeo-Christianity when you try and hurl petty insults at Islam.
September 11th, 2010 at 10:20 am
one does wonder ,why this thread ? why now ? are the loons enguaged in some sort of rota ? Is there only one loon with lots of names ?
Is the plan to write insane gibberish in the hope that they will eventually wear everyone else down.Some sort of bizare one up man ship ? If they have the last word they must be correct ?
beats me
September 12th, 2010 at 10:10 am
Sir, I would be interested to know if your background contains any courses in logic, math, statistics, or scientific report writing.
I respectively request that you work up another pie chart: and this time assign weights to your graph based on the number of deaths and amount of property damage inflicted.
Also, please use said weights when you work up your world wide pie chart. And please don’t forget to include the 500,000 poor helpless souls in Darfur who have been slaughtered by the Jaraweed. Also please assign another weight for your graph to allow for rapes and castrations wherein said rapes and castrations are used as weapons of warfare.
Lastly, please refrain from coining words such as “Islamaphobe” which demean, denigrate, and disparage those who may be in disagreement with your political persuasion. This only tends to nullify any meaningful information you wish to dissiminate.
However, if you don’t wish to be an investigative journalist, and wish to politicize your work, then continue on with your present tact.
Very Truly Yours,
Earl Penny
September 12th, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Delenda est Mecca
September 12th, 2010 at 1:43 pm
@Cheryl
“WATCH THE MOVIE FINA, and this time see if you can pay attention. Maybe, just maybe, one of you ragheads will be able to put two and two together and see that your book of hate is just that, and tat’s it.”
I watched that sad excuse of a movie, and it was immediately clear that this swine Wilders is uncapable of reading correctly. The verses are quoted in a highly misleading fashion, leaving out key aspects and clarifying contexts.
To quote Moustafa Zayed: “If I have 100 dollars in cash and 40 in debts, and you asked about my financial well being, and someone answered, “He owes 40 dollars,” then he certainly misled you even though he has stated a fact.”
This is how Wilders deceives you. And you fell for it.
“NO BURKAS or SCARFS, assholes. There is not one woman on earth that likes to wear a burka, unless she’s a fat pig.”
No scarves, really? Funny story, I was once at my local airport in Germany, picking somebody up, when a women walked past with traditional looking clothes and a headscarf covering her hair. My initial thought was: “Muslim woman”. Then a moment later she was joined by a very obviously Jewish man, thick beard, long sidecurls and Hasidic hat included. Then I remembered that orthodox Jewish women also cover their hair in public.
Really, do those happen to be “fat pigs” too, Cheryl? Or is the thought of having said something antisemitic too unsettling to you?
“So a women is supposed to be a virgin on her wedding night, then why not a man? What, you got a double standard, one rule for men and another for women?”
Uhh, no. A Muslim man is supposed to remain a virgin until marriage just like women. The rules about fornication apply equally to both man and women, hence there is no double standard. It’s just that you can’t easily prove that a man lost his virginity before getting married. But the rules are very clear, and God knows who has followed them and who hasn’t.
As for Eternal douche here, your shoddily veiled genocidal ravings here are hardly impressive. Please go play on the highway or something.
September 12th, 2010 at 9:24 pm
Cheryl you are just as nuts as Lawrence/Halal Pork. Any reasonable person can see the hate burning in your rhetoric but you’re only fooling yourself if you think Fitna represents Islam.
I agree with Sir David, to quote ” one does wonder ,why this thread ? why now ? are the loons enguaged in some sort of rota ? Is there only one loon with lots of names ?
Is the plan to write insane gibberish in the hope that they will eventually wear everyone else down.Some sort of bizare one up man ship ? If they have the last word they must be correct ?
beats me”.
Judge a book by its cover? Damn right these loons do!
September 13th, 2010 at 8:02 am
@ Cheryl the newest female parrot
Got news for you the burka isn’t from ISLAM ignorant ass. And like I said before, you have no problem praying to a statue of Mary dressed the same way that MUSLIM women dress, but yet she wasn’t oppressed? Where’s the double standard. ALLAH cursed you to have eyes that don’t see and ears that don’t hear.
Both sexes should be virgins, sorry for you and your probably whore daughter who’s most likely not a virgin but an f-ing discrace. So keep on rocking that “liberated” talk when you are so oppressed you don’t even know it. You’re only worth something if you try to be sexy and show everything off.
Please sell me a car, because a scantaly clad woman has so much to do an automobile. How about a hamburger? Nothing says tasty hamburger like a ho in a bikini.
Would your grandmother dress like a whore? Nope, but now you’re modern and it’s freedom to drees like a whore and show your whole body off to everyone. What a joke. Most likely no one would want to see your old ass in a bikini anyway, so please don’t go to a store like that, you’ll make more men start switching.
And oh yeah how’d that little bar-b-que go in Florida? What it didn’t happen, oh yeah I forgot the pastor spoke to God huh? You people are the worst of creation but God speaks to you huh?
PARROT ASS, I’M DONE GIVING OUT CRACKERS TO YOU PARROTS. NO CRACKERS FOR YOU.
September 13th, 2010 at 3:37 pm
Well, that was a definite eye opener but the reason that people are so scared and worried and focused on muslim terrorists is because (according to the SAME FBI website) they have done much more damage (9/11) and yes maybe latinos do do the most terrorizing but it is much smaller stuff which has no repraucutions (no deaths or injuries)
September 13th, 2010 at 6:20 pm
Pat attention: The Golden Rule does not mean to be nice to assholes. If your a muslim and think that killing Jews, Christains, and all Infidels is a good thing, if you cheered when the Twin Towers fell, well, my Golden Rule says that I will do unto you before you do unto me.
Okay, Americans were asleep at the wheel on 9-11. Who in the hell would’ve thought that even the most crazed-insane psychos would fly a plane of passengers into a building full of people? Not any rational people I’ve ever met, and our C.I.A. and F.B.I are, for the most part, composed of people who think in a rational manner.
Then you ragheads come along, kill a bunch of people, and call the murders heros. Bullshit. Frick’en cowards, one and all.
So my Golden Rule is to put it to you whenever I get the chance, before you do the same to me. If you’d change, alright, but the way you idiots think, and talk, and write about here on this blog, you’rwe not going to have a chance in hell.
Muslims are starting to be kicked out of some European countries, such as Denmark and Italy. Soon the tide will turn. NO to mosques and stupid sharia law, and stupid burquas, and your book of hate, the quoran.
NO TO islam. GET IT?
September 13th, 2010 at 8:48 pm
@ Cheryl
Once again not response or refutation I know that’s a big word for such a red neck. And you never refuted what I said about Mary the Mother of Jesus, or Jesus in the Qur’an(the book of hate as you so elloquently put it), funny how a chapter named Mary exists in that book of hate.
Nor how any self respecting woman wouldn’t walk around dressed like a whore. Simply remember back in the 80′s and 90′s I’m sure remember how the prostitutes dressed, take a look around and see how the “liberated” girls dress. Girls as young as freakin’ 12-13 even.
That’s liberation, and advancement, and oh wait it’s not. OOOPS
September 13th, 2010 at 9:13 pm
@ Cheryl
Sorry 4 the delay had to do something.
Since you’re basically saying america should deport MUSLIMS or limit immigration. The only ones here who should be saying anything like that are the Native Americans, remember them? They’re on nice “reservations” otherwise known as concentration camps without fences.
Your peaceful religion committed mass genocide against them with the permission of your pope. So how funny it is that you think any white person here should tell another person where they can and cannot live. What they can and cannot do, ironic isn’t it?
But let me guess our ancestors stole this country fair and square. Have a very bad night you ignorant parrot.
September 13th, 2010 at 11:17 pm
Ok, so there were more Jewish terrorist acts than Muslim in the US. Now how many died in these Jewish terrorists assaults? It is just me or does it seem that a lot of people died in Muslim terrorist assaults and I can’t think of one that died in a Jewish one.
Funny. Yet I read that there is one muslim act of terrorism a day on average in the world. Are the Jews keeping up with that around the world?
September 14th, 2010 at 1:02 am
Interesting.
The FBI also lists a breakdown of injuries and fatalities caused by terrorism in this helpful graph:
http://www.fbi.gov/publications/terror/casualties.jpg
There’s a spike in 1995 – OKC.
Then there’s this odd spike in 1993. And this other odd spike in 2001.
It’s mentioned by others in the comments, but there was never a rebuttal from Danios.
September 14th, 2010 at 11:04 am
Did you hear what the Lady said ?
Enough with your insane yacks !
NO to islam in America, NO to islam in Europe, NO to islam everywhere (except perhaps in the Arabic Peninsula, where you may continue to go round in circles near your beloved idolatrous black stone, if it is not nuked…).
Get it ?
September 16th, 2010 at 6:23 pm
abdullah, I hope that I am clear on this, but no burkas, no scarfs, no man telling me what I can or cannot wear, ever. I shall marry whomever I wish.
I shall go to the food market on the way home from the beach wearing my bikini.
I shall have wine.
I shall date whom I please.
I shall give the finger to muslim men everywhere because you represent EVERYTHING that I am against. You want honor? How about joining the human race.
September 19th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
the link to the original report at the CNN site does not work.
it can be accessed at
http://www.sanford.duke.edu/news/Schanzer_Kurzman_Moosa_Anti-Terror_Lessons.pdf
September 20th, 2010 at 11:49 pm
You go Cheryl.
You are not deceived but this bunch of hate filled bigots and their lies. We need to let everyone know about their lies and their hatred and persecution of women.
September 20th, 2010 at 11:53 pm
“Your peaceful religion committed mass genocide against them with the permission of your pope. ”
Ahhh yes, Abdullah, the pope runs everything in America.
How stupid are you? He is not my pope. I am a Christian who loves and I respect the pope, but he is not my pope.
It is you that has it enshrined in your religion to “kill the infidel wherever you find him.” Those are the words of mohammed, the pedophile who is YOUR ‘pope’. Deal with it Abdullah.
Islam is the source of most of the evil in the world today and is a false religion straight from shaytan (satan for everyone else) and a non-prophet who wrote the satanic verses!
September 20th, 2010 at 11:57 pm
Abdullah, you said, “You people are the worst of creation ”
Yup, straight from your unholy book the quran. You believe that all Christians and Jews are the “worst of creation”, don’t you? Because that is what your unholy book tells you. In fact it tells you that Jews are the sons of apes and pigs doesn’t it?
very tolerant and loving there, Abdullah.
You are a joke. And the world would laugh at you if you were not such a cancer on the earth.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:11 am
Sigh..
“It is you that has it enshrined in your religion to “kill the infidel wherever you find him.””
Whoever quotes that verse like this has already lost the argument. If you read the whole passage in its full context, you might feel rightfully foolish. Hint: It’s a historic reference, not marching orders.
“You believe that all Christians and Jews are the “worst of creation”, don’t you?”
Where in the Quran does it say that Christians and Jews are the “worst of creation”? Don’t you see the irony of claiming this while Islam considers Jesus’ and Moses’ (PBUT) messages as part of its own?
I know that feeding trolls may be a good idea, but it’s not a good idea to leave such lies standing.
September 21st, 2010 at 12:48 am
LOL @ butthurt IhaveanunfoundedfearofbecomingaDhimi. There’s nothing he/she says that’s not a gross generalization. Yet he/she gets defensive when the same is done to Christianity. Horray for double standards!
September 21st, 2010 at 11:15 am
@ cheryl and notadhimmiyet
Like I said did Mary wear a bikini or expose herself? Did you grandmother? No even your grandmother probably had respect for herself. Mary sure did to not expose herself.
I was not quoting Qur’an but saying from my own feelings that you are the worst of creation and God would never speak to you in a million years.
So Muslims are the cause of all the evil in the WORLD? How about countries feeding off MUSLIM wealth all over the world. It sounds like another PARROT joined the crowd. Stick it up your ass not a dhimmi.
And cheryl I hope that Muslim man’s wife smacks the shit out of you if you flip him off. My wife sure would put you in your place.
Answer the questions I asked you broad. Notadhimmi sounds like pamela the whore geller which it probably is considering jillhad boob is mostlikely robert spencer.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:22 am
@ cheryl
I forgot can you tell me how the tolerant bar-b-que went? Funny how when cultures in the past did mass burnings of book they were considered barbaric but not when it’s you freakin’ idiots.
@ notadhimmi
You have the nerve to try and defend the genocide of the native americans???????? Really? This is why you’re the worst of creation you have no mercy and no hearts you are completely self absorbed and anything that you want you steal ie….. MUSLIM oil, gold, uranium, on and on and on.
We’ll see about the “newly” found minerals in Afghanistan how they benefit the people who own them. Afghanistan will stay a “3rd” world country because corporations will steal them all like the usual devil way. It’s called history, check what even non-Muslims say you freakin’ parrot. Get an original thought instead of some bullshit from some idiot with a pen or computer keyboard.
September 21st, 2010 at 11:36 am
@eternal
I’m sorry I must have missed where there was a “lady” typing. You mean the whore who said she would wear a bikini in a store? Or the whore who says she flips off every Muslim man? That lady? That’s not a lady in the least bit. See you people have no idea what’s what anymore satan has totally misled you to total corruption.
The only thing you’ll have for eternity of hellfire, because Jesus came only to the Jews who rejected him. When a gentile came to him he said so. Further more all the Prophets had the same message except your priests changed things for monitary and other gains.
Search out Ahmed Deedat on youtube, he debated all your so called scholars and preiests who don’t even have their own bible memorized and put them to stumbling on themselves shame. Not one could prove what they believe to be true as the truth.
So take your place in hellfire for eternity, that will be your reward for the evil you call for and evil words you say against Jesus who will deny everything you ascribe to him.
September 24th, 2010 at 12:40 am
I’m an American woman and I agree with what Cheryl says. I think that burquas are a real joke. If you like them so much, why don’t muslim men wear them too?
Those muslim men who highjacked those planes on 9-11, sickos, everyone of them. If you want to commit suicide, do it, but don’t kill a bunch of strangers and yell “Allah akbar” while you do it.
And these sickos were praised for doing what they did. What they did was to commit suicde and kill a bunch of people whom they’ve never met, now how brave is that? They wee sickos and those who praise them are just as bad. Shame on you.
September 25th, 2010 at 1:18 pm
Hey Manners,
*sigh* I don’t think you’ve been reading Cheryl’s replies. There’s nothing wrong with Burqas just like there’s nothing wrong with nuns covering their heads. They’re dressed conservatively to keep the sleezy men away. My little sister wears hijab b/c it’s her choice. Her husband married her before she wore it and had no say in this matter. Many women wear it out of choice, however, it’s not right for a couple of developing countries to force it on them. Majority of the Muslims don’t wear burqas. No one here has sided with the terrorists responsible for the tragedy at the WTC. They’re psychos who are not true Muslims. Please refrain from generalizing.
September 25th, 2010 at 2:54 pm
@Abdullah
You seem to show a great deal of respect towards Jesus. Well, if I were Christian, that would really bother me a lot because loonies like you damage all they touch.
I don’t expect you to wake you up from your bad dream but may your craziness open the eyes of some born-muslims about the bad joke they are living in !
September 25th, 2010 at 10:43 pm
@manners
Some men wear beards instead of burkas and/or some wear a cap (forgot the proper name). I’m sure you’ve seen Saudi Arabian men wearing a headress. A minority of Muslim women wear burkas some by choice which is their prerogative or some being forced to wear which is wrong. Majority of women don’t wear burqas. I frankly don’t see anything wrong with wearing burkas just like nuns dress conservatively too.
No one here has sympathized with the men responsible for killing the innocent people at the WTC.
September 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
Terrorism has no religion, no ethnicity, no country and no culture, and has nothing to with Muslims collectively, nor Islam. Anyone who criticizes Islam and/or Muslims for something, while whitewashing the same thing when it’s someone else, is a hypocrite.
Anyone who believes in collective punishment, are on the same wavelength as terrorists.
Anyone who believes in the extrajudicial actions against people without their willing consent to suit the petty desires of the perpetrators, is a fascist. Thus, anyone wanting to force their petty desires onto Muslims without their willing consent, is a fascist.
“Islamofascism” is non-existent, “dhimmitude” is ephemeral and non-applicable, and the laws of “Sharia” have nothing to do with anyone that doesn’t believe in it.
September 27th, 2010 at 8:10 pm
Awesome, the name really suits you! I couldn’t have said it better.
September 29th, 2010 at 11:15 pm
Hey Abdullah, can it. Your hold no water, never did. You’re outclassed, and you think that there is such a person as a “moderate” muslim.
I’m not the only one who has your number, Rev. Manning has it too.
You want islam shoved down our throats, well, here’s news: we don’t respect islam or a bunch of ignorant goat herders who think it’s really
great to kill yourself, and while your doing that, to kill others at the same time.
Too bad those crazy people who flew those planes into those buildings on 9-11 just couldn’t put a paper bag over their heads and blow their brains out like normal people do, don’t you think?
And you think that they’re in paridise? Man, you are one sick dude.
Did you cheer when people jumped to their deaths from the towers? Did your friends and relatives say it was a great day for islam?
Bet you didn’t use th word coward when describing the mass murderers, did you? And you expect us to respect you and your islam? Never happen, Jack.
September 29th, 2010 at 11:28 pm
“put a paper bag over their heads and blow their brains out like normal people do
Normal people to put paper bags over their heads and blow their brains out. Such behaviour is usually reserved for the mentally deranged.
September 29th, 2010 at 11:29 pm
Normal people don’t put***
September 30th, 2010 at 2:03 am
I see the usual tea baggers(cheryl and company) are peddling the usual FOX news feces. No one’s “forcing Islam down your throats,” idiots. You’ve got it the other way around. The majority of terrorists in the world are white males, from North America and parts of Western Europe. This is NOT a racist statement, but one which is easily confirmed by any reading of a history book based on the last 500 years of history.
Which reminds of a tea bagger event I checked out. I saw more dirt baggers, pot bellies and missing front teeth, worn old seed hats and misspelled signs than a convention of grade school drop-outs. It is a movement being manipulated by media corporations and lobbying firms but the people with the signs are too dumb to realize they are being had.
September 30th, 2010 at 1:08 pm
Cheryl is a too who doesn’t know what she’s talking about, as she doesn’t have a clue about Islam nor Muslims, or even reality in general; a know-nothing know-it-all that’s too stupid to think for herself, and who’s perception of reality is defined exclusively by charlatans in the media and her church.
She talks about “class” when she has none, “Islam”, when she has no substantial knowledge about it, and Muslims, when she’s never actually been acquainted with one in the least. The only one who holds no water, and is outclassed, is her and those who think like her.
September 30th, 2010 at 1:11 pm
Correction: “tool” instead of “too”.
October 1st, 2010 at 3:46 am
Hey Cynic, you are one really dumb M.F.
Satire is WAY, WAY over your head.
Do us all a favor, do what your mommy told you “Do not touch that keyboard on the computer, little boy”.
And as far as “not understanding muslims” goes, that’s lame.
“No Jew btween me and the sea”?
“Kill those who leave islam.”
“Kill Jews and Christains.”
Breed like rodents, why don’t you?
And you wonder why you are hated and not respected?
When muslims join the humanrace and welcome Jews as being a part of it all maybe, just maybe, they’ll be hope but until then, up yours.
October 1st, 2010 at 4:06 am
Cheryl
Does swearing and making insults make you feel better?
Does making random made up statments work as well as constructive discussion.
Can you string proper sentances together?
October 1st, 2010 at 4:19 am
And as far as “not understanding muslims” goes, that’s lame.
I don’t recall saying anything like that. Apart from lame generalizations and stereotypes, yeah, I’d wager you know jack shit about Muslims and Islam.
October 1st, 2010 at 4:34 am
Cynic
I doubt she knows even that much .
Is she really Pam ?
Certainly a follower of the atlas bugs web site faithfully repeating what she has read . One day after treatment she will see the world as it is in its glorious grey complexity not the sterile hate filled black and white fear filled hell she now lives in .
October 1st, 2010 at 5:09 am
Yeah, I’m starting to think she’s not Geller too. Just as loony, if not more though
.
October 1st, 2010 at 5:17 am
I agree she is as loony but lacks that inventive spark of making up bizare statements. A copycat loon.
Now bring on the hea
October 1st, 2010 at 5:20 am
Now bring on the Chief Witch herself I say
( sorry folks technical hitch on my previous post ending )
October 1st, 2010 at 7:35 am
“And as far as “not understanding muslims” goes, that’s lame.”
Yet true.
“No Jew btween me and the sea”?
Source?
“Kill those who leave islam.”
Source?
“Kill Jews and Christains.”
Source?
“Breed like rodents, why don’t you?”
Yet you’re the one with the intelligence of a rodent?
October 1st, 2010 at 8:24 am
Cheryl
“Breed like rodents, why don’t you”
I thought Cheryl was talking about Haredi community for a minute, but no! Oh Cheryl, that’s a line that Islamophobes like to use, the birth rate is no higher than anywhere else.
The rise of Islam is due to conversions…
By KSENIA SVETLOVA
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?apage=1&cid=1132475618729&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
Today, Islam is the second-largest religion on earth. According to various
sources, just over a fifth of the world’s population is Muslim. Only
Christianity is larger, comprising 33 percent of the population. But Islam
is by far the fastest-growing religion on the planet, with a growth rate
estimated at 2.8%-2.9% per year.
One explanation for this increase is that the birth rate in Muslim countries
is much higher than in the majority of Christian countries (a reasoning
popular among Christian missionaries), while others say that most of Muslim
growth in Europe and the US comes from immigration, rather than conversion.
However, numerous studies indicate that the rapid growth of Islam in the
United States, Canada, Latin America and sub-Saharan Africa is, in fact, due
to conversion. There are also surveys that point out the following
phenomenon: a wave of conversion to Islam in the US and Europe following the
September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks.
———–
The demographics of Islam today
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam
Islam is growing faster numerically than any of the other major world
religions. Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance estimates that it is
growing at about 2.9% annually, as opposed to 2.3% per year global
population growth. This is attributed to high rates of conversion to Islam.
October 3rd, 2010 at 9:25 pm
Oh on US soil? that is a bad criteria.
Look the rest of the world, towards the middle east where most of the terrorists live. all islam. The drug gangs in mexico want money and power, so obviously they are not going to suicide bomb anything. They may not have any religion. most terrorist attacks don’t occur on US soil!
they are a daily way of life in the middle east.
October 3rd, 2010 at 11:03 pm
“I am SO glad to see that the muslims who are behind this website admit that 6% … SIX PERCENT …. of the muslims ARE terrorists!!!!
Let’s see, 6% of 1.5 BILLION muslims is that there are 90 MILLION MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!!!
NINETY MILLION MUSLIM TERRORISTS!!!!
Thank you for admitting that!! lol”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA The person who wrote this comment is an idiot. They arent saying 6% of the Muslim population are terrorist, they are saying 6% of terrrorism acts committed from 1980-2005 were by Muslims. Anyone with a brain will know that.
October 4th, 2010 at 10:24 am
@ Michael
If most of the Middle Eastern population are Muslims, then it stands to reason that the terrorists from that region would be mostly Muslims as well.
Furthermore, terrorism is not “a daily way of life in the Middle East”. That is an exaggeration, as virtually all of it is localized to a few, specific areas of conflict, and can easily be seen as a by-product of it, just like it can be seen that way anywhere else in the world, where it occurs.
October 4th, 2010 at 1:35 pm
A true muslim is a potential terrorist.
Moderate islam is a dream, as long as they don’t drop out an essential part of their dogma, the absurd claim that the koran was written by God.
October 4th, 2010 at 1:55 pm
It is more absurd to say that the Bible came from God than it is to claim that the Qur’an came from God. A true Muslim is not a terrorist, and moderate Islam is a reality, and is the true Islam, since it is obviously practiced by most Muslims, and believing that the Qur’an is from God won’t change that fact.
October 4th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
@awesome
Well if you consider that God is a sex maniac and ruthless warrior who lived 1500 years ago, then Koran is from God…
October 4th, 2010 at 2:13 pm
Ruthless, ancient sex maniac/warrior?
Are you sure you’re not talking about Chuck Norris?
October 4th, 2010 at 4:17 pm
@ Eternel
“Sex Maniac”, and “ruthless warrior” that lived 1500 years ago?
I’m not sure how the eternal Creator of the Universe is supposed to be those things. Or perhaps you are referring to his messenger? If so, then while he did live approximately 1500 years ago, he was neither a “sex maniac” nor was he “ruthless”. Like all the other ignorant haters who post here, you’re just a mouthpiece for the anti-Islamic nonsense spouted by hypocrites.
Why are they hypocrites?
Because they are mostly Christians, and they whine about Prophet Muhammad being a sex maniac for having 11-13 wives, yet revere Prophet Solomon as noble, great, etc., when he had 700 wives.
They lament over Prophet Muhammad’s battles against hostile enemies, when we find even worse battles being waged by Prophets Moses, Joshua, and David, which they glorify.
In truth, Christians and Jews don’t have a legitimate argument against Islam. “Islam is evil”, “Muhammad was a sex maniac”, “Allah is a moon god”, “The Qur’an calls for war against unbelievers”, “Muslims are terrorists” etc. are all nonsense claims based on ignorance, and used as excuses to mask the REAL reason for the anti-Islam mantra; it’s popular and not Christian.
Admit it, it isn’t that Islam is bad, it’s that it makes you look bad.
Well, get over it. If people want to believe that Islam is the true religion of the Almighty, revealed to Prophet Muhammad 1400+ years ago in the Qur’an, and wish to observe its religious rituals in the US and Europe, THEY HAVE EVERY RIGHT TO DO SO, and you have no business trying to stop them.
October 7th, 2010 at 9:55 pm
“Conversions”? Did somebody actually write that the “rise” of islam was due to conversions? Afraid so, believe it or not.
Islam is spreading because a few good men are alowing the nuts to take over, is what is happening.
You use words like “fear”. There is no “fearing” islam. There is, however, concern.
Tell it like it is, look at reality and see that the “mosque” and the “state” are one, no divisions, that they operate as one unit; in otherwords, islam is the same as democrazy, or socialism in that islam is a political force, as the nazi party was in Germany.
Face it, muslims, your being used in the worse way in that your value as a unique human being has been made absolutely worthless by the rantings and ravings of your psycho phrofit muhammud.
You wish to con yourself into thinking that the American goverment represents the people of the United States, go right ahead. Delude yourself. The American people, however, want nothing whatsoever to do with you hate mongers. We wish you’d leave us, and the rest of the world, in peace. But since you can’t do that, the backlash shouldn’t be a big surprise.
So a child is killed in Gaza. Get real, that’s just one less terrorist to kill in a couple of years. Why can’t you people just live and let live?
You blame your miserable lives on others but fail to look at yourself in the mirror.
October 7th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
Here’s how it actually is;
In addition to what I’ve already said, Islam is a religion that anyone can believe in or not believe in, and the only haters here are the ones hating on Muslims collectively.
“Live and let live” is a two-way street.
Furthermore, a hater trying to tell Muslims about themselves and their religion based on anti-Islam propaganda, is just as retarded as a high school dropout trying to lecture a physics professor about the laws of physics, based on something he read on a 2 cent coupon.
So don’t waste your time being retarded, trying to educate us about ourselves or our religion, when we obviously know both more than you even care to.
October 8th, 2010 at 2:33 pm
@cheryl
They want to spread their ugly shit everywhere because they can’t face the fact that their religion is a dead end leading to nowhere.
That doesn’t mean we Westerners are perfect, far from it !
It is time mankind start looking up and improve itself, physically and mentally, otherwise Man’s nice little music could well one day vanish in the endless Universe.
October 8th, 2010 at 9:11 pm
You want facts? Try this on for size: if, after all that has gone down in the last ten years, if you’re still a muslim you are part of the problem.
You have this notion that the rest of the world has to respect your bullshit.
Dream on.
October 8th, 2010 at 9:50 pm
And how is that in any way, shape or form a fact? You are so deluded it isn’t even funny.
October 9th, 2010 at 1:55 am
It’s pretty stupid to think that everyone should leave a religion just because some people are using it for politics.
October 9th, 2010 at 5:33 am
Awesome
I that was the case they would be no christians left lol
October 15th, 2010 at 11:23 pm
LAST TIME: Islam is a political philosophy, just as the Nazi Party was a political philosophy in Germany.
The Nazi Party was not a “religion”, although there certainly were efforts made in that direction.
Islam is not a “religion”. Once you make it past that mental hurdle, the rest is really pretty straightforward.
Of course if all you know is the party line . . .
This is not a new thought and there is no breaking ground posting this fact. A reminder here: the American Governmet does not reflect the wishes of the American people. This has been a trend for quite sometime but those in the Washington Beltway actually have no clue as to what the rest of America thinks.
We don’t respect our crooked congress and we sure as hell don’t respect islam and everything it stands for, which just happens to be the opposite of the freedoms outlined in the Unioted States Constitution.
We think the President and the Attorney General, Eric Holder, are nothing but cheap con-men and deserve to spend the rest of their days in jail.
Believe me, Americans really do want to nuke mecca, trust me on this.
October 16th, 2010 at 3:50 am
@ Cheryl:
> LAST TIME: Islam is a political philosophy
You do realize that you posted the same thing earlier as ‘miss manners,’ right? The two of you certainly seem to post the same crap, even worded the same way.
Besides which, Islam is not a political philosophy. It is a religion. Most political philosophies don’t cover issues like God, the afterlife, right and wrong, prayer, purification, fasting, etc. Sure, there are political manifestations of Islam, but there are political manifestations of Christianity too. The evangelicals are extremely vocal and politically active. Pat Buchanan even ran for president. Unsuccessfully, I might add.
> The Nazi Party was not a “religion”, although there certainly were
> efforts made in that direction.
The Nazis co-opted religions and religious imagery. Hitler was just as content tapping into pre-Christian Germanic mythology (or his own twisted interpretations of it) as he was tapping into Bavarian Catholicism or Prussian Lutheranism.
> Islam is not a “religion”.
Says you. Most social sciences accept Islam as one of the great world religions. As I said, Islam reflects many of the same concerns found in other religions. You also have Muslim Democrats, Muslim Republicans, Muslim Libertarians… you know we do make up a noteworthy minority in America, and a significant majority in many other countries.
> A reminder here: the American Governmet does not reflect the wishes of
> the American people.
No shit. If it did, Obama wouldn’t have been elected. Nor would Bush jr. Nor would MOST Presidential candidates.
> This has been a trend for quite sometime but those in the Washington
> Beltway actually have no clue as to what the rest of America thinks.
And you do? You have no idea what the vast majority of Americans think, because you refuse to look past your narrow world view. Not everyone tries to cater to Islamophobic kooks. Most people, in my experience, are more than content to live and let live. People like you, though… seems like you have something to ‘prove’ whether to yourself or someone else…
> We don’t respect our crooked congress and we sure as hell don’t respect
> islam and everything it stands for
Hahaha. Around five million or so American Muslims would probably disagree with you there lady.
>, which just happens to be the opposite of the freedoms outlined in the
> Unioted States Constitution.
LOL. Never mind that the evangelicals have the numbers, influence and willpower to overturn those very freedoms. But its easier to focus on the other, isn’t it?
> We think the President and the Attorney General, Eric Holder, are
> nothing but cheap con-men and deserve to spend the rest of their days in
> jail.
Many people felt the same way about the last President.
> Believe me, Americans really do want to nuke mecca, trust me on this.
Trust you? Why. You have no credibility, no authority. You are a sad little nobody on the internet desperately crying out for attention. Most Americans don’t want to nuke Mecca. Only people like you who, as I said before, have to ‘prove’ yourself somehow. Whoever you are trying to earn the approval of probably doesn’t care about you…
October 17th, 2010 at 7:01 pm
@Zakariya Ali Sher, well put. But no matter how many times you try to explain the obvious to these parrots they just don’t get it. I bet ya she’ll be back crying ‘Polly want a cracker’. Eternal and her should stick to Atlas Shrugs, no place here for dimwits.
October 18th, 2010 at 8:33 am
cheryl,
Just because you say it is, doesn’t make it so.
You can scream it at the top of your lungs as often as you want, and it won’t change anything. You’re still ignorant, and you’re still wrong.
October 21st, 2010 at 8:39 pm
People are not bad only thoughtgs are bad !
October 22nd, 2010 at 10:45 am
Dear All. Islam is the religion of peace. The prophet Muhammad Peace be upon him never ever hurt any one. He taught us good manners and social graces. He said the heaviest thing in the scale on the day of judgement will be good manners. He never ever tell Muslims to rule cruelly. He was known as a man of trust and honesty by all Muslims and no Muslims equally. Even the non Muslims used to keep their articles as a trust with our beloved prophet and he looked after them and returned to the owner on demand. He is a role model for all the humanity of the world to follow.
October 22nd, 2010 at 7:25 pm
If you think that the rest of the world wil continue to condone your treatment of women forever, I got news for you.
If you think that the rest of the world buys into your “The Jews stole our land”, best come up with a better excuse.
And as long as there is a quoran, a long as there is “kill Jews and Christains” and infidels and those who leave islam, as long as there is the teaching from the book of hate then ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS,
OR DON’T YOU GET IT YET?
October 22nd, 2010 at 8:23 pm
Cheryl – get a grip on and wipe that foam off your mouth! Are you taking your meds? How are you feeling now? Hope they let you out of your foam-padded room soon.
October 23rd, 2010 at 12:11 am
@Zakariya Ali Sher
Cheryl says: “> LAST TIME: Islam is a political philosophy”
Brother, you should just leave dim-witted people alone. They are totally incapable of nuanced thinking. They can never see past their own worldview. A religion that doesn’t inform actions(politics)is no religion at all to them. But the real reason for proclaiming this nonsense is an attempt to ban Islam by removing the protection Muslims get under the law to practice our religion. It’s a shady attempt to strip away freedoms without appearing to shred the US Constitution.
And their declared inability to distinguish between belief and action, and their repeated refusal to understand that Muslims are allowed to interpret our holy text and traditions like any other religious adherents, besides their inability to distinguish fact from fiction, leads to statements like these:
“And as long as there is a quoran, a long as there is “kill Jews and Christains” and infidels and those who leave islam, as long as there is the teaching from the book of hate then ALL MUSLIMS ARE TERRORISTS,
OR DON’T YOU GET IT YET?”
Leave these internet “warriors” alone, who hide behind freedom of speech and internet anonymity to say things they would never dare look a living, breathing Muslim in the eye and say.
Allahu A’lam
October 24th, 2010 at 12:48 pm
Most of the flamers who post here, have never actually know a Muslim personally. That alone disqualifies them from being anything more than haters who don’t know what they’re talking about.
“Terrorism” is the unlawful use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, especially for political purposes. A person engaged in this activity (or a supporter of it), is a “terrorist”.
The claim that “all Muslims are terrorists”, in the case of cheryl’s nonsensical rant, wrongly assumes that the Qur’an preaches “terrorism”, and therefore, makes the false conclusion that any Muslim who believes in it, is a “terrorist”. This is wrong for a few of reasons:
1) The Qur’an does not encourage the unlawful use of violence and threats to intimidate others into doing something.
2) Most Muslims do not believe in nor practice terrorism, nor do they believe the Qur’an encourages it
3) Those Muslims that do engage in terrorism, are not doing so because of religion, but rather, because of politics and circumstances, which they use religion as a means to oppose.
It’s also worth pointing out, that those loons who wish to use unlawful violence and threats to coerce others to submit to their anti-Islam, anti-Muslim political views, can be considered “terrorists”.
As for the view that Islam “oppresses women”, this is based ENTIRELY on how Muslim women dress, i.e. covering up from head to toe, and leaving only their hands and sometimes face visible. For some unspecified reason, this is considered a “symbol of oppression”. Despite the fact that Muslim women can do almost anything a Muslim man can, and is entitled almost all of the same rights and responsibilities in Islam, they’re considered “oppressed” because of how they dress.
However, being covered from head to toe is no more a symbol of “oppression” than being bare-butt naked is a symbol of “freedom”. Historically, slaves sometimes wore next to nothing, and slavery is about the farthest you can get from being “free”. At the same time, people of exceptionally high status, who could sometimes do anything they wanted, were sometimes covered “from head to toe”, yet their position was about the farthest you could get from being a slave. So, that whole argument really doesn’t fly, as it’s very subjective. Yet the loony anti-Islam/Muslilm propagandists want to portray it as some sort of indisputable fact, when clearly it isn’t. It’s even more ridiculous when they try to say that covering everything except the hands and face is oppressive. How more absurd can they be than that? That implies that if I’m wearing a hoodie (with the hood up), as well as pants and shoes, that I’d be “oppressed”. Or would I not be, since I’m a guy? Do these loons differentiate it’s alleged “oppressiveness” between men and women doing that? If so, isn’t that sexism in itself?
Or do they differentiate on the actual reasons that it’s done?
If so, then the reasoning is very simple to understand; Muslims believe that God obliges believing women to be modest by dressing a certain way, so they do it. It’s not because they’re “scared of the consequences” if they don’t. It’s what can be called “willful obedience”. Men have a modesty dress code as well (though it doesn’t cover nearly as much). That they may have family members or whoever that enforces it on them is besides the point, as Muslim women, especially in secular, western countries, observe this religious modesty by choice, and it’s really no different than a nun dressing the same way for religious reasons.
Finally, the concept of “honor killing” is a backwards cultural practice that some still do in this world, just like so many other things. It is not an Islamic practice. Yazidis in Kurdistan, for example, still do it, and they’re opposed to Muslims and Islam.
It’s a fallacy to assume that everything any Muslim does, has some Islamic justification, and is somehow supposed to reflect collectively on all Muslims or be the collective responsibility of all Muslims. It’s not only a fallacy, but is also unjust and hypocritical.
October 24th, 2010 at 9:17 pm
To: Awesome Idiot
footbaths? burquas? praying on roads and sidewalks blocking traffic?
building a victory mosque at Ground Zero?
Hello, anybody home, or are you realy BRAIN DEAD?
You think that the rest of humanity is going to take your B.S. much longer, dream on.
Let me ask you this: is it a requirement to “know” a funnel web spider to be concerned about the potential danger? Is it possible to become aware of the danger without being bitten, or not? According to your warped logic, an infidel has to have his head cut off before he realises that islam is peaceful. Bull Sh–! Get a frick’en life.
You people just don’t get the message, do you? Go on with your “honor” killings, go on with your suicide bombers killing and maiming people.
Living in some kind of make believe La-La land may work for you, but the rest of us deal in what is called “reality”. Look around, get a dose of it and you’ll find that blaming others for your failures is a direct road to self destruction. And that’s what you’re doing but you’re just too damn dumb to see it. You want paridise? Be a man and do it without taking anyone else with you, if you have the cajones, which I seriously doubt.
October 24th, 2010 at 9:37 pm
Cheryl said, “If you think that the rest of the world wil continue to condone your treatment of women forever, I got news for you.”
Martin Luther wrote, “The word and works of God is quite clear, that women were made either to be wives or prostitutes.” — Works 12.94
How long were you a prostitute before you got married Cheryl?
October 24th, 2010 at 9:48 pm
Cheryl,
Why don’t you actually try and address Awesome’s points instead of namecalling? Have you noticed that each and everyone of your posts are the same? You just replied to Awesome’s thorough debunking of your last post with the same nonsense lol. What a joke.
October 24th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
To: Awesome Idiot
To: The clueless bigot known as “cheryl”
footbaths? burquas? praying on roads and sidewalks blocking traffic?
All things you know nothing about, yet you mention them as if they’re supposed to mean something.
building a victory mosque at Ground Zero?
You and your fellow bigots are the only ones who call it that or even believe that, and yet it never occurs to any of you why that is.
Hello, anybody home, or are you realy BRAIN DEAD?
You’d never know because you choose not to listen, and that isn’t going to help you get your point across, as no one here cares to hear from such people (like you) who can’t engage in a rational discussion.
You think that the rest of humanity is going to take your B.S. much longer, dream on.
The B.S. coming from you seems to have no end, and somehow humanity has managed to find a way to tolerate it.
Let me ask you this: is it a requirement to “know” a funnel web spider to be concerned about the potential danger? Is it possible to become aware of the danger without being bitten, or not?
Trying to make a false analogy? Don’t bother, we’re too smart for it.
According to your warped logic, an infidel has to have his head cut off before he realises that islam is peaceful. Bull Sh–! Get a frick’en life.
That’s actually according to your own warped logic, and it’s sad that you and your fellow bigots are the only ones who actually believe such things. But then, you also have people who believe in a flat, 10,000 year old Earth in a geocentric Universe, so I guess it’s not all THAT surprising.
I guess there not being enough branches in some people’s family trees, could be a possible explanation for why they believe such ridiculous things.
You people just don’t get the message, do you?
You’re repeating the same nonsense over and over again. I think you’re the one who needs to “get the message”.
Go on with your “honor” killings, go on with your suicide bombers killing and maiming people.
More false associations? You’re really good at that when it’s people who, in reality, you know nothing about.
Living in some kind of make believe La-La land may work for you, but the rest of us deal in what is called “reality”.
No, you’re just dealing with your own false associations and paranoia, by pretending that it is reality.
Reality is a bit more complicated than your own childish delusions allow for. I’m really sorry to tell this to you, but, in the real wold, people are individuals, who can believe whatever they want, and most of them are indifferent to you, and have no interest in your baseless delusions and paranoia.
Look around, get a dose of it and you’ll find that blaming others for your failures is a direct road to self destruction. And that’s what you’re doing but you’re just too damn dumb to see it.
It’s about time you followed your own advice. I’d also add that you should stop projecting your problems onto others (i.e. your inability to grasp reality), but you probably don’t even know what that means. It also doesn’t help you to accuse others of being what you yourself are; brain dead and dumb.
You want paridise? Be a man and do it without taking anyone else with you, if you have the cajones, which I seriously doubt.
And here we have another reference to “suicide bombing”, and thus another “false association”. You make too many of them to possibly know what you’re talking about.
October 26th, 2010 at 2:49 pm
Syed is a muslim comic. He writes some pretty funny stuff. Really off the wall and outlandish.
Look, bottom line. America is the beacon for freedom and why you idiots can’t see that is beyond comprehension. Sure, America is screwed-up big time in some areas, just look at the members of the United States Congress, and start with Speaker of the House, if you want a good laugh.
The citizens of the United States do not have to accomidate their behavior so muslims won’t be “offended”, capice?
“One Nation, under God”, understand? If you don’t like it, stay away, we sure as hell don’t want you here. We don’t want your footbaths and all of the other nonsense that you seem to imagine as being meaningful.
So, yes, ALL muslims are terrorists in that they want to trash the United States Constitution. We don’t want your stupid and pathetic sharia law. Respect Islam? For what? And why? You people revere suicide. You think that you achieved “victory” by having some of your own fly planes into buildings and killing just regular normal citizen of the planet earth. Not brave, not smart, not anything positive. Why couldn’t Atta and his fellow psychos just jump off the Twin Towers? So you think that their deaths had meaning, had worth? Had zilch. Believe me, no respect.
So your Mohammed went around killing people and you all mimic the crazed socialpath, and you expect the world to show respect to the followers of such utter nonsense is to be beyond the scope of rational thought.
Other people on the other blogs that I read say the same thing, in the same words: 1) the United States Government does not accurately reflect the wishes of the American people, 2) the American foreign policy really sucks, big time, 3) the American people want the immigration laws that are on the books to be enforced, 4) English is the language of the United States, if you can’t speak it, learn it, 5) if you want to assimulate, fine, if not, stay away, 6) muslims are using our laws of freedom to destroy our freedoms, just as Hitler and the Nazi party did in Germany in the 1930′s, 7) too many people have died over the years building a country where freedom is a fact of life for us to give in to the spread of Islam without a fight, and if that means a Civil War against the current government of the United States, so be it. Additional targts will be the news media who refuse to report the truth and those that do not support the United States Constitution.
The trend of thought in The West tends to discount the wishes of the muslim community because they see the begining of their end by doing so.
Yes, ALL muslims are terrorists. One can spread terror in many ways, blow up a car at a market or require women to never lave the house without a male relative escort, or require a women to wear a scarf: a dress code is a form of terror if you’re the female and you want to wear a dress but are forced to wear a burqua instead. It’s terror if you want to leave Islam and become a Buddist Monk living in the hills of Thailand: you’ll be hunted down and killed. It’s terror if you want to question the teachings in the Quoran but are afraid that if you do you may very wel have your head cut off.
Everyone else on Earth seems to get along okay except the muslims, ever wonder why? Hey, better not wonder why or else you’ll have your head cut off.
October 26th, 2010 at 4:34 pm
Syed is a muslim comic. He writes some pretty funny stuff. Really off the wall and outlandish.
The irony of this comment by cheryl is probably lost to her, who has once again demonstrated that she’s just a mindless drone, serving as a mouthpiece for the bigots she listens to.
So, to all the bigots, fascists, racists and hardcore nationalists who don’t want Muslims nor Islam in the US (or the western world in general):
Get over it, we’re here to stay and we’re not going anywhere. The sooner you learn how to behave like an adult about this and stop trying to force your petty desires onto others without their willing consent, the better it will be for everyone.
It doesn’t matter what you want. What matters is the law. There is no law outlawing the belief in and practice of Islam, there is no law saying that Americans cannot be Muslims, and there is no law against Muslim houses of worship. Muslim citizens of the US have all the same rights that non-Muslims citizens do. Muslim citizens of the US are going to continue to pray, fast, build mosques, grow, marry, procreate, and work in the US, whether you like it or not. And as long as the US constitution exists as the law of the US, this is going to continue to be the case.
And if it’s really a big problem for you, and you really can’t stand to have people around who think and behave a little differently than you do, then perhaps it is you who needs to “leave”.
October 26th, 2010 at 5:50 pm
Cheryl said, “Syed is a muslim comic”
No Cheryl! Martin Luther, the founder of your ideology was a greater one.
Martin Luther laughed at his Kertha, who wanted to be clever, and said, “God created man with a broad chest, not broad hips, so that in that part of him he can be wise; but that part out of which filth comes is small. In a woman this is reversed. That is why she has much filth and little wisdom.” [WA, TR II, no. 1975, p. 285]
Such humor and such wisdom. Truly he must have been thinking of you!
October 26th, 2010 at 6:45 pm
Cheryl stated, “So, yes, ALL muslims are terrorists in that they want to trash the United States Constitution.” Then she later wrote, “.. if that means a Civil War against the current government of the United States, so be it”
Trashing the US constitution – terrorists.
Insurrection against a legally elected government – patriots.
Wow! The convoluted logic of the bigots is truly astounding. The founding fathers must have had you in mind when they insisted on the separation of church and state.
October 26th, 2010 at 7:02 pm
hey cheryl, hi
you are probably a troll but for the sake of anyone reading this, i’ll play your game
CHERYL: “Yes, ALL muslims are terrorists.”
thats like saying all Christians are crusaders, which, doesn’t take a diploma to figure out that that is a false statement.
CHERYL: One can spread terror in many ways, blow up a car at a market or require women to never lave the house without a male relative escort, or require a women to wear a scarf: a dress code is a form of terror if you’re the female and you want to wear a dress but are forced to wear a burqua instead. It’s terror if you want to leave Islam and become a Buddist Monk living in the hills of Thailand: you’ll be hunted down and killed. It’s terror if you want to question the teachings in the Quoran but are afraid that if you do you may very wel have your head cut off.”
first off, i would like to say you’re lack of ability to spell even the most basic words is appalling.
Secondly you could also spread terror by jumping out from a closet and yelling “boo!” or throwing m&ms at someone when they are not looking. terrorism has no international definition, but the ‘common knowledge’ definition is the act of spreading fear.
I’m scared of whales, so by your definition not only are marine biologists terrorists, but also the ones studying the not so marine biology
CHERYL:”Mohammed went around killing people and you all mimic the crazed socialpath”
part 1: spelling- Mohammed should be Muhammad. that is kind of a tricky one, my ability to spell is above average, and i had issues with it so i’ll let it slide, your other spelling mistake however could only be caused by a severe lack of education. Socialpath should actually be spelled Sociopath.
Part 2: counter-argument- Muhammad was a pacifist up until about 13 years after the revelation of the Qur’an(note spelling)when the Muslims who lived as a minority under the pagans who tortured them destroyed their homes, etc. I feel i should also mention that not once during the pagan oppression did they commit any act of violence.
“…Each time they kindle the fire of war, Allah extinguishes it. They rush about the earth corrupting it. Allah does not love corrupters.” (Surat al-Ma’ida: 64)
layman’s terms – War is bad and God doesn’t approve
only once they left to form their own little place away from pagans, and the pagans continued their BS. did they say “F**k it!”
“Permission to fight is given to those who are fought against because they have been wronged – truly God has the power to come to their support – those who were expelled from their homes without any right, merely for saying, ‘Our Lord is God’… “(Surat al-Hajj: 39-40)layman’s terms – he hits you, hit him back
so this craziness about MUhammAd being a sociOpath just outright ignorance.
October 27th, 2010 at 8:34 am
cheryl is at the epitome of pig-headed ignorance, to the point that she has become allergic to actual knowledge (hence her violent reaction to it) that doesn’t fit with how she ignorantly perceives things.
October 27th, 2010 at 9:20 am
Bloody heck, she really swallows everything on those crappy websites doesn’t she?? I don’t know where to start so I won’t, you’re so far gone there is almost no coming back! I’ll pray for you sister…
October 27th, 2010 at 2:20 pm
If all Muslims are “terrorists”, then the word “terrorist” no longer means anything.
October 29th, 2010 at 1:49 am
this is right coz all sinfuls are not only christians
October 29th, 2010 at 1:54 am
and could we say all christians are sinful ?
October 29th, 2010 at 8:19 am
Cheryl – Islam isn’t a threat to the U.S. Constitution – your thinking is because you can’t accept that Muslims have a Constitutional right to practice Islam here in the U.S. Get a grip Cheryl – they do. And nothing, but nothing is going to change that. You do understand I hope that there are more Muslims in the world than any other religion, so please try to accept that Islam is not going to disappear any time soon, and if Americans wish to convert to Islam nothing in our Constitutional government is going to stop that. If Muslims want to build mosques here in the U.S. the law allows that, the law protects that. If 99.999 percent of all Americans choose to convert to Islam, there isn’t anything in the law that can prevent that or change that or stop that. If you don’t like that then perhaps you need to live in a theocracy where your religion is the State religion and you can be assured of living amoung like members of your own faith. But if you choose to live in America, if you choose not to renounce your U.S. citizenship then you also choose to live under our Constitution and it protects Muslims as much as it protects you.
October 31st, 2010 at 9:52 pm
Thank god you are one of the few individuals in this world who own a brain that can think critically and impartially and not be a stupid sheep who follows that garbage on a fucking idiot box.
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:23 am
To Miss Jay and Fellow Idiots, “Islamic Republic of Iran”. Or maybe that’s a little too complicated for you blind asses to comprehend. Let’s try Sharia Law, now does that ring a bell? Still too hard to understand? How about the state following the “religious leader’s orders”, now is it FINALLY getting clear?
Islam is a political force that controls EVERYTHING, from how much tax you pay to what you can, and cannot, wear. Islam CONTROLS THE COURTS THROUGH SHARIA LAW. Is it FINALLY clear to you BLIND MOO MOO OINK OINK IDIOTS that Islam ain’t peaceful and kind and so on and so on.
Get with reality.
And as far as saying this to your face, no problem. I don’t bow to anybody or anything. You can take your stupid women hating political tool, otherwise known as the quoran, and shove it. You have been so brainwashed that your think that freedom of speech is a bad idea, you think that freedom of assembly is bad, you think that all freedoms are bad because, once people get the opportunity to go to the library and get exposed to rational thought, your goose is cooked. You, and your love of hate, islam, are exposed for what it is: just a bunch of loosers blaming their own failures on everybody else but themselves. And you think you’re men. Right, just as Atta and his fellow psychos are “heros” and “brave” and didn’t your feel proud to be a muslim when people were jumping out of the twin towers to their deaths. Good for you. Go to hell, each and everyone of you. And, yes, if you follow the made teachings of the nut case mohammed, you certainly deserve what you get.
Nuke Mecca, for starters, mate.
November 3rd, 2010 at 10:42 am
yup bonkers Evidence above no point even in trying to reply
November 3rd, 2010 at 11:23 am
Sorry Miss, I don’t respond to that sort of junk. Everything you say can be refuted with hard facts, but you just don’t listen. Peace Be Upon You, I am praying for you.
November 3rd, 2010 at 11:27 am
Sorry, I just read your rant again, are you actually in the real world? Goodness, that stuff you write, you really believe it? I mean, just wow…
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:00 pm
Hey, Sir David, islam ain’t peaceful, it has never been peaceful. Islam is forcing sharia down the throats of those who want nothing to do with it.
If you think the philosophy of islam is what the humans on planet earth deserve, you are a heck of a lot dumber than I gave you credit for, shame on me for overestimating you idiots.
Oh, sure, quote until the cows come home, as if that’ll change the facts.
Facts? Reality? “Allah akbar and Up Yours”, Buddy. Beheading videos. So the husband beats his wife, she sues for divorce, he cuts her head off.
So the daughter says that maybe she’ll marry a frick’en Jew, SO WHAT?
You assholes, why can’t you just leave us women alone, go hump your goats and sheep, we sure as hell don’t need your crap.
November 3rd, 2010 at 1:42 pm
Miss, I don’t normally say this since I’m an officer and a gentleman but would you mind canning it? You are grossly misinformed, borderline idiotic and just plain dull, you’ve had your answer, been shown where you are wrong but you insist on spouting out the same junk over and over and over. What you don’t know about Islam and the world could fill a number of large warehouses with options on a cargo ship or two for the surplus. I have a hard time believing that you are real, that you genuinely believe the stuff you type but then again, I’ve been to some weird places in my time and heck, I’ve seen some deranged people, I know how far the human mind can go. So once again, thanks a lot for your what I will call, for want of a better word, ‘input’, would you mind toddling off while the grown ups talk? Thank you and Peace Be Upon You.
November 3rd, 2010 at 7:23 pm
Here’s a big fact:
cheryl isn’t talking from first-hand experience, and nothing she says is going to change that.
Let’s take a look at what this bimbo is saying:
To Miss Jay and Fellow Idiots, “Islamic Republic of Iran”. Or maybe that’s a little too complicated for you blind asses to comprehend. Let’s try Sharia Law, now does that ring a bell? Still too hard to understand? How about the state following the “religious leader’s orders”, now is it FINALLY getting clear?
- Of course the point of mentioning this, is what? That Iran has some sort of religious rule? Like everyone didn’t already know that? Do you think that’s “news”? You do realize that Iran’s rule only matters to those living under it, and has nothing to do anyone else? The only thing that’s clear, is that you don’t know what you are talking about and can’t logically make a point out of anything you’re saying.
Islam is a political force that controls EVERYTHING, from how much tax you pay to what you can, and cannot, wear. Islam CONTROLS THE COURTS THROUGH SHARIA LAW. Is it FINALLY clear to you BLIND MOO MOO OINK OINK IDIOTS that Islam ain’t peaceful and kind and so on and so on.
- Really? Islam is a “political force”? What makes it a “political force”? That it has standards for everyday living? Well, that doesn’t make anything a “political force”, just a “lifestyle”. Plus, since Islam has a system of beliefs involving concepts such as sacredness, the supernatural, etc. then that kinda makes it a religion as well.
Since it’s a religion and a lifestyle, then that means it doesn’t really have any “force” or “control” at all. Religions and lifestyles don’t have “force” or “control”. They may have followers who can have “force” or “control”, but that’s it. So saying that Islam forces or controls this or that, is misleading at best.
Also, what does a religion having protocol have anything to do with it being peaceful? Oh, that’s right, nothing.
Get with reality.
- That’s what we should be saying to you. So, I’ll be the first:
“Get with reality, cheryl”
And as far as saying this to your face, no problem. I don’t bow to anybody or anything. You can take your stupid women hating political tool, otherwise known as the quoran, and shove it.
- a “stupid, women-hating political tool”? And you know this, because you’ve actually read it, right? Or did you just make that conclusion because of what someone else told you?
You have been so brainwashed that your think that freedom of speech is a bad idea,
- And how brainwashed are you for thinking you know what others think without even talking to them?
you think that freedom of assembly is bad,
- Even though we freely assemble on a regular basis. Kinda strange we would do things that we supposedly think are bad.
you think that all freedoms are bad because, once people get the opportunity to go to the library and get exposed to rational thought, your goose is cooked.
- You must not bother with too many libraries then, since the library is what brings a lot of people into Islam rather than away from it. Of course, if you’re closed-minded about it, then it won’t matter.
You, and your love of hate, islam, are exposed for what it is: just a bunch of loosers blaming their own failures on everybody else but themselves.
- So pointing out obvious facts somehow amounts to “blaming their own failures on everybody else but themselves”, does it? So when you point out the fact that Iran is under religious rule, does that mean you are somehow “blaming others for your own failures”? Does that mean you are also a “loser”, and that you have a “love of hate”?
And you think you’re men. Right, just as Atta and his fellow psychos are “heros” and “brave” and didn’t your feel proud to be a muslim when people were jumping out of the twin towers to their deaths. Good for you.
- Ah, the old 9/11 card. Muslims should feel bad for being Muslims, because of the terrible things that alleged Muslims supposedly did, right?
So, if an American does something terrible, are you supposed to feel bad for being an American? Or better yet, when a human being does something terrible, are you supposed to feel bad for being human?
I mean, you are trying to be “consistent” with yourself aren’t you? Or are just a hypocrite like all the other Islam/Muslim-bashers?
Go to hell, each and everyone of you.
- How about we don’t?
And, yes, if you follow the made teachings of the nut case mohammed, you certainly deserve what you get.
- And what we’re getting is the freedom to believe in and follow what Prophet Muhammad was given, which we certainly deserve, especially in this country.
Nuke Mecca, for starters, mate.
- And if everyone thought like that, the world would’ve ended a long time ago. Thankfully, maturity prevailed, instead of such boneheaded stupidity. Thus cheryl doesn’t get what she wants and the world continues.
November 4th, 2010 at 2:48 pm
Thanks for that Awesome, but they will just come back with something as daft if not dafter than what they just wrote. And so the cycle continues… *sigh* why does the WWW always seem bring you into contact with such stupid and terrible people more than good ones?
November 5th, 2010 at 3:42 am
Dear Jack Cope, It’s all very simple: you either get with the program or you’ll get the same as the ragheads get. There is no middle ground. The truth is that islam expands, either convert or allah will enjoy watching your blood flow. And now, because of massive influx of petrol dollars, they are expanding at an alarming rate. Submit or die, Jack. Or you can continue to be stupid, at which case you’ll suffer the same fate as them.
First thing we do is Nuke Mecca, get it? Maybe you’ll be there. Enjoy your 72 virgin sheep in paridise, Jack. And if your name were Jackie, you’ll get to get it from 72 male goats, afterall, we girls enjoy sex as much as you boys do.
November 5th, 2010 at 4:05 am
I find it really rich that people like cheryl and halal pork accuse others of being stupid. Projection much?
November 5th, 2010 at 6:42 am
Nice finding, and proving how perception, and perception propaganda is much stronger than fact.
November 5th, 2010 at 7:14 am
The ‘program’ being what? You and your nutters are going to do…. oh…. somehow seize control of the United States and err… nuke several sections of the world? Riiiiiggggghhhhhttttt…… excuse me while I quake with terror…
I still don’t believe you’re real, I can’t see how someone could be so, hmmm, blind, as to believe what you do. And to keep believing it when ample facts have been shown to them. I won’t call you stupid, just blind, no one is stupid.
And ragheads? What are they? Arabs? You know that Arabs make up less than 20% of all Muslim right? There are more Muslims in Indonesia than Arabia. Another sign of you blindness. As for 72 virgins, that’s the same as Christians believing they get a harp and wings when they go to heaven, I’ll be happy with my dear wife thanks. The truth is, and this has been proven by history, that when Islam expands, Islam expands. Blood flowing? No, not Islam, if we want to talk of blood flowing due to expansion of religion look no further than Christianity which has an extremely bad track record with the whole ‘convert or die’ thing. Whereas Islam has no ‘convert or die’ clause in it’s beliefs, Christianity has proven that, while it may or may not be percent in it’s teachings, various ‘Christian’ leaders have found it easy to implement. You can’t argue with those facts my freind, not that it matters, the past is the past.
Oh, and FYI, I do happen to be a practicing Muslim you know. So, as a Muslim, I will do as God and Mohamed commanded, pray for you and wish you peace. Peace Be Upon You.
November 6th, 2010 at 2:32 am
LOL Cheyrl’s comments are actually pretty funny to read.
November 7th, 2010 at 8:50 pm
Oh, I’m real, alright. I deal in reality whereas you idiots deal in the teachings of a psychopath through his teachings in the quoran.
Leaving Islam?
Don’t wish to marry the old man that your father choose for you?
Want your clit cut-off?
Can’t have pork, and why not, it tastes good.
Think that there is “honour” in honour killings?
Behead infidels?
So the question remains, what frick’en rock did you crawl out from under?
Peaceful? Tell it to the families that had a loved one blown up by one of your murderers that you all so admire.
And so, once again, yes, all muslims are terrorists because you support jihad, you support the spreading of your “respect islam” crap. Respect is given when respect is earned, and you animals (ionk oink) haven’t earned any. Maybe instead of cutting off girls clits you boys cut off your dicks.
November 7th, 2010 at 9:04 pm
Note to Nicholas, your total lack of upper education is showing. So maybe you graduated but it was from a second, third, fourth, or an unrated school.
YOU LOST THE DEBATE.
You attack the means and not the message. You kill the messenger but not the message.
You’re concerned with trivia and not substance.
You have to learn to think for yourself, well, maybe not. In your case you don’t have what it takes so don’t even try to keep up with those who are smarter than you, waste of everyone’s time.
Can’t leave islam, now can you? They’ll kill you, you know.
November 7th, 2010 at 9:15 pm
Cheryl, you suffer from a severe case of projection…hate to break it to ya. Other than that, you’re just an all around asshole. That is all.
November 7th, 2010 at 10:00 pm
No, you don’t deal in reality, you’re sadly deluded so why bother talking to you, it’s like talking to a wall, the difference being talking to a wall is far more interesting. But hey, I do love a ‘challenge’ so let’s do this…
Leaving Islam?
Nope, I love it. If I want to leave then I’ll let you know, maybe Pammy and co and sell me one of those crappy books.
Don’t wish to marry the old man that your father choose for you?
Under Islam I, if I were a woman, would have a full right to refuse, as outlined in the Qu’ran.
Want your clit cut-off?
Nope, and Mohamed prohibited it. I expect you know that Christians do it too.
Can’t have pork, and why not, it tastes good.
If I ever want to eat the flesh of an animal crawling with parasites and worms then again, you will the first to know.
Think that there is “honour” in honour killings?
Nope, there is absolutly no ‘honor’ on ‘honor killings’ and they are prohibited under Islam. Oh, and again, Christians, Jews, Hindus and Sikhs do them as well.
Behead infidels?
No, not unless the attack me first. Otherwise we can live in peace. Can you?
So the question remains, what frick’en rock did you crawl out from under?
I’ll pass that question onto your good self.
Peaceful? Tell it to the families that had a loved one blown up by one of your murderers that you all so admire.
Admire? Which murderers do we admire? You on the other hand seem to extend a large amount of gratitude to murderess and advocate amongst other things the nuking of Mecca. Hmmmmmm….
And so, once again, yes, all muslims are terrorists because you support jihad, you support the spreading of your “respect islam” crap. Respect is given when respect is earned, and you animals (ionk oink) haven’t earned any. Maybe instead of cutting off girls clits you boys cut off your dicks.
Sorry, around most of the world ‘we’ are respected and lived with. It’s just you and your gang of keyboard warriors with an issue. Give me one reason why I should give a damn, as you say yourself, respect given where respect is earned. Oh, and don’t talk to me about Jihad, you don’t even know what it is. And no, Muslims are not terrorists.
I’ll continue praying for you, Peace Be Upon You.
November 9th, 2010 at 7:23 pm
First I wanna say I appreciate the amount of research you did and looking through all the numbers but I do have some issues with your argument. (I have read most of the relevant post so I know I am probably gonna get flamed but I think I have a valid argument but feel free to post your disagreements my views)
I posted my response on my blog so please check it out as I am very eager to see other responses
Please if the OP reads this I would really like to hear your opinion
I would also like to say that I am not an islamaphobe or right wing nut. I am an early 20s college student from the northeast and am very liberal on plenty of issues.
http://thisthingsibelieves.blogspot.com/
November 10th, 2010 at 3:19 pm
@Cheryl
They are victims of a parasitic strangling cult forged by a sex maniac. I’m afraid we have to harden our hearts because, as Voltaire put it, it’s quite sad that fanatical freaks are so much more zealous than wise men.
But that will change, it’s already changing…
November 10th, 2010 at 5:29 pm
Eternal, the only fanatics and zealots I can see here is you and her. And changing? I think not, your ‘goal’, which I believe is the elimination of Islam, will never be achieved. We are not victims, it is you who is the victim of hate. To quote one of the greatest men of recent years, Martin Luther King:
“Like an unchecked cancer, hate corrodes the personality and eats away
its vital unity. Hate destroys a man’s sense of values and his
objectivity. It causes him to describe the beautiful as ugly and the
ugly as beautiful, and to confuse the true with the false, and the false
with the true.”–Martin Luther King, Jr.
That is all.
November 10th, 2010 at 9:03 pm
The reality of what muslims are doing and saying around the world is what is known as fact. The movie FITNA is nothing but fact. Your little red book is dripping blood, you know.
And then you have the balls to spout nonesense that the dumb and dumber are supposed to swallow. I don’t think so.
You want islam to take over the world and for those that oppose you, what?
Flowers? A debate? Or maybe getting pushed off a ten story building is more to your liking.
This is my last post here, I hope. All I can say in closing is that it’s a broken record. You say peace but the world sees torn limbs, destroyed lives. You say their is no honour in honour killings yet you rejoiced when planes flew into buildings, when a school bus full of Jewish kids were killed, and on amd on and on. You can’t live with Israel. “No Jew between me and the sea” you chant. You worship death and you actually believe in the 72 virgins and brand new VCR’s in paradise. You hunt down those who would LEAVE ISLAM, wouldn’t you? Kill those who speak against mohamed.
Goodbye and may you blow yourselfs up making your suicide bomb.
November 10th, 2010 at 9:33 pm
Fitna? Fact? Goodness, what planet are you on my good woman? Fitna is just a load of shite, just about every Muslim in the world can debunk that ‘film’. All the rest is just your usual uninformed ramblings. No, we did not celebrate on 9/11, no we do not celebrate when people die, no we simply do not. Nor do we believe in 72 virgins and all that shite. Get informed, you need it.
Goodbye, and may you see sense, we are praying for you. I know why this is your last post, it’s because you’re scared that your conditioning is getting broken, good, you are seeing the truth. Peace Be Upon You.
November 11th, 2010 at 5:57 am
@Cheryl
goodbye Cheryl, you are right.
Their soft creeping words cannot hide the realities they are defending. Some of them may evolve and drop out that bullshit. For the rest of them, well you know what…
No compromises with backward loonies willing to plunge the world in their insane fairytale !
November 11th, 2010 at 8:32 am
Yeah, we know what Eternal, you and your keyboard warriors scare us so much we can’t sleep at night. Cheryl is going because she can’t face the truth we show, you’ll be the same soon enough.
November 11th, 2010 at 10:58 am
@Jack Cope
Yes you know THE truth, THE book, THE religion. It’s all perfect in such a marvellous world.
I just wonder why so many perfect believers leave their perfect islamic countries where they live so perfect lives. Thanks so much for bringing us and all peoples on Earth your perfection !
Be sure that you will get a perfect reward sooner or later.
November 11th, 2010 at 12:30 pm
“Yes you know THE truth, THE book, THE religion. It’s all perfect in such a marvellous world.”
This world is far from perfect but we can make it so if we wished. But do we wish? No, humans are greedy and selfish beings, hence all our troubles. But we can do our best.
“I just wonder why so many perfect believers leave their perfect islamic countries where they live so perfect lives. Thanks so much for bringing us and all peoples on Earth your perfection !”
You are most welcome, knowledge is to be shared, not horded.
“Be sure that you will get a perfect reward sooner or later.”
That is in God’s hands and I trust Him to be a fair, honest and just Judge of all affairs. I have made and make my many mistakes, I have my many flaws, so does everyone. It is not, however, up to you and it never will be, your thinly veiled ‘threats’ are quite pathetic.
November 11th, 2010 at 5:19 pm
Interesting factoid from FBI analysis at source site:
“The majority of domestic terrorism incidents from 1993 to 2001 were attributable to the left-wing special interest movements the Animal Liberation Front (ALF) and the Earth Liberation Front (ELF)”
November 12th, 2010 at 2:33 am
@Jack Cope
I may be naive, even pathetic but you and your keyboard jihadists desperately trying to spread your holy shit all over the places while realities are so edifying, it’s so…laughable.
But still you are dangerous and I know, you know as well that our dimensions will collide soon, and not on keyboards.
November 13th, 2010 at 12:04 am
cheryl Says:
“This is my last post here, I hope. All I can say in closing is that it’s a broken record.”
Trust me you are the only broken record here. Goodbye and good riddance. may Allah (swt) guide you to the Truth.
Allahu A’lam
November 13th, 2010 at 11:38 am
Cheryl is a woman? Wow! with vulgar language like that I am sursprised! A normal woman wouldn’t talk like that, what’s with Dicks and Clits by the way?
Eternal, Porky and you all use vulgar language, hate Islam or anything that is good. But do carry on, you really are a laughing stock, many Christians must be burying their heads in shame!
Without logic, reasoning or change of heart you proved that debating with you people is fruitless. You all suffer from a tunnel vision.
November 13th, 2010 at 9:35 pm
I took a look at the data sets used in these reports from which the charts are created. The problem with the data sets is that it’s limited TO THE MEMBER STATES THAT MADE THE REPORT.
So yes, only 6 percent of the “terrorist” acts in the USA were from muslim extremists. But the muslim population in the USA is small, and the number of extremists in the USA is low. Certainly I agree that the “acts of terrorism” in the USA aren’t muslims– because there simply aren’t many acts of terrorism here. But boy, they sure hit it out of the park on 9/11, and they keep trying (Times Square bombing, underwear bomber, shoe bomber…) Terrorism is being defined in these reports as an effort to destabilize the government, intimidate people, etc. But there’s a difference between a terrorist act of say, blowing up a building (such as the separatists in France and Spain) and trying to simply murder random bystanders and rack up a body count (IRA does this some, as do the muslim terrorist types).
Similarly in the European version of the report, it’s limited (again) to the member states, and you’re focused on bombings of buildings, such as the basque separatists, that phone in “hey, we’re blowing up this building” and give everyone time to get out, versus setting off bombs in a church, mosque, skyscraper building, marketplace, etc. and running up huge body counts.
The reports also leave out all of the terrorism in say, India, Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iraq, Iran, Phillipines, Indonesia, and other mulsim terrorist acts designed to murder other muslims.
So while the statistics are valid, they are misleading in the sense that it’s limited to the USA or European member states– not terrorism worldwide– and it’s ignoring the target of the terrorism– blowing up an empty building versus racking up a huge body count and killing as many innocent women, children, and random people trying to go about their lives as possible.
November 14th, 2010 at 8:49 pm
hey i’m just wondering if the statistics would change if the dates were not from 1980 to 2005 but from 2000-2010?
i’m doing a debate and i don’t want to sound stupid if i say most terrorists are not islamic, but the statistic only works if you use mostly older data.
November 15th, 2010 at 3:20 pm
Islam itself is a terror my dear, or a bad joke according to your character and the place where you live.
November 16th, 2010 at 4:32 pm
I’m pleased to spread this article around, because I’m seriously concerned about the anti-Muslim rhetoric that’s picking up steam. Occassionally even among well-educated and thoughtful people I count among my friends.
However, one glaring issue: Is there some lack of documentation from 2005 to present? It substantially diminishes the impact of this statistical evidence to leave out the last five years, when everyone’s uppermost concern is how these acts of terrorism are trending NOW.
November 16th, 2010 at 5:39 pm
Haylie,
I don’t think there should be too much difference. Do understand that this is information for the United States only. Around the world, there is probably a lot more crazy stuff going on, even Buddhist terrorism! Though, its better you quote the figures that you have.
November 16th, 2010 at 5:41 pm
Eternel,
“Islam itself is a terror my dear, or a bad joke according to your character and the place where you live.”
A religion of 1.5 billion people, 57 countries is no joke. I don’t understand how Islam itself is terrifying unless you have no confidence in your own culture or religion.
November 18th, 2010 at 7:32 am
The “problem” isn’t with Arabs, the “problem” is what is in the Quoran, in otherwords, the “problem” is with Islam.
“Kill Jews and Christains”, “infidels”, “unbelievers”, “those that would leave Islam”, are phrases too numerous to mention that fill the, what some here on this blog has described, “Book of Hate”.
The war throughout the world is between Islam and everyone else.
In every country the followers of Islam are trying to impliment Sharia Law, in otherwords, attempting to force “respect for Islam” as the principle political law of the land.
Others, such as myself, support the United States Constitution and what it stands for. Islam is not in any way compatable with the freedoms in the West or, for that matter, everywhere where there is not the Sharia.
Go ahead and dream of “peace” and delude yourselves: it just ain’t going to happen. Do not be fooled in the stupidity of the world governments or of the United Nations because the citizens of those deluded leaders will, and soon, rise up and put an end to Islam once and for all.
Many citizen groups have sprung up in every country to do the job that their government refuse to do. Not smart to form opinions on what is in the news: the real news is out on the streets and you ragheads are going down.
November 18th, 2010 at 9:15 am
No Miss, the ‘problem’ is people like you and people like Bin Ladan, both who take Islam and make it into something it is not. That is the only ‘problem’ here, I put you and people like Bin Ladan in the same box. As I said before, you are the same coin, you have the same ‘value’ but are just minted on different sides and thus look in different directions. That is the only difference. So go ahead, rant all you want, shout that all us ‘ragheads’ are going ‘down’ and all that shite, we normal people will carry on with our lives while you and your ilk get what you deserve, prison, whatever it is, but by all means keep ranting, doesn’t make any difference no matter what you say. You’ve had your answers to the points you’ve posted many many times, you’ve been shown the facts as they are yet you continue in your ignorance and I won’t do it again since you’ll simply carry on shouting. Thus your ignorance is now self inflicted and you are responsible for whatever happens. And quite frankly, I can smell your ignorance it’s that bad.
Don’t take my words and twist them, claim that I am giving a ‘death threat’, I am not and I will pray for your safety and that you see truth. All I am saying is that people like you, like Bin Ladan, are and always will be a tiny minority and are dealt with as such if you get dangerous. Sure, you’re a noisy bunch, but you are still small and always will be. Peace will come, whether you are a part in making that peace or merely a slightly irritating noise in the background is up to you. Your freind already left (unless you are just her) because she couldn’t face the truth, I expect you will too. Peace Be Upon You.
November 18th, 2010 at 2:16 pm
@ miss manners
Here is your final challenge. Your friend jihad bob failed miserably, so let’s see how you fare. Prove:
1. With Quotes from the Qur’an, using an accurate translation and the arabic transliteration, that the Qur’an says “Kill Jews and Christains”, “(kill)infidels”, “(kill)unbelievers”, “(kill)those that would leave Islam”,”
You should have no problems since, as you put it, there are “phrases too numerous to mention that fill the, what some here on this blog has described, “Book of Hate”.”
2. That the war throughout the world is between Islam and everyone else.
3. With quotes from the so-called jihadists and mainstream Muslims alike that “In every country the followers of Islam are trying to impliment “Sharia Law”(i will even give you a pass by letting you continue to conflate shari’ah, hudud and fiqh into one artificial category). Good Luck
Allahu A’lam
November 20th, 2010 at 5:24 am
if you think this is right you will cover the truth that showes the islam is the religon of mercy and knowledge .
you must listin to the other side to compare and if you compared in a right way you will know the truht of the best religon..islam and search in the history to know how islam is really good i am not the best to say this but this is a beginning to be on the right way
November 20th, 2010 at 9:30 am
@miss manners
Yes it’s going to boil over soon. Islam is a mass hallucination…quite laughable.
Let’s remain human but inflexible at the same time and they won’t stand a chance !
November 20th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Remain human mmmmmm Am I the only one to see the flaw here ? lol
November 20th, 2010 at 10:16 am
“human” is an adjective which authorizes many interpretations…
November 20th, 2010 at 10:19 am
It sure does
November 21st, 2010 at 10:49 pm
Dear Jack Cope, Go ahead, defend honor killings. Defend killing those who wish to leave islam, defend jihad, defend killing infidels. Go through life with rose colored blinders on and wish everyone “Peace”.
Sorry to bust your narrow little dream but bug off, we don’t want ignorant people acting as parrots.
Wait, since you’re a parrot can I teach you how to say “Oink”?
It’s all so very simple: if you believe in the quoran you are, by your own definition, on the wrong side of the tracks. And by the way, that’s where you belong and that’s where you’ll stay, in some squalid dirty camp that could’ve been cleaned up years ago if you ragheads would’ve spent money on digging outhouses and schools and birth control instead of rockets to shoot across in Israel.
Get a life, we’re all sick of hearing muslims moan about, well, it’s about everything, isn’t it? Moan, moan, moan, you all sound like a bunch of nymphomaniacs: moan, moan, moan. So someone makes a little drawing and they name the little drawing mohamed and you freak, burn and kill and go after the cartoonist. What’s that all about? Where’s the sense of getting all riled up? Get a frick’en life.
November 21st, 2010 at 11:18 pm
You use the term ‘fricken’, Miss Manners. Therefore your argu…er generalisations are invalid. That is all.
November 21st, 2010 at 11:24 pm
LOL
Look all the comedic gold (the ironically named) “miss manners” provides us with her posts:
Wait, since you’re a parrot can I teach you how to say “Oink”?
And by the way, that’s where you belong and that’s where you’ll stay, in some squalid dirty camp that could’ve been cleaned up years ago if you ragheads would’ve spent money on digging outhouses and schools and birth control instead of rockets to shoot across in Israel.
Get a life, we’re all sick of hearing muslims moan about, well, it’s about everything, isn’t it? Moan, moan, moan, you all sound like a bunch of nymphomaniacs: moan, moan, moan.
November 22nd, 2010 at 12:04 am
eternel and miss manners
GOOD BYE, follow cheryl…and….don’t forget….TAKE YOUR MEDS!
May Allah(swt) guide you to the Truth
Allahu A’lam
November 22nd, 2010 at 4:48 am
Sorry Miss, please give me a reason why I should even bother reading let alone reply to your crap. You call *me* a parrot? Really? Pray, tell us oh wise one, where do you get your stuff? Because a lot of that looks pretty much word for word off our nutty freind Pam’s site doesn’t it? Sheesh, some people… there is only one ignorant person out of us two and it’s not me. You are correct, we don’t want ignorant people acting like parrots so like I said to your freind, please leave, your ignorance smells very bad. Go and get some learning done in the real world, not the shite you find on the internet. Peace.
November 25th, 2010 at 4:21 pm
If you’re going to talk about the current disparity in media coverage, why use a dataset that ended five years ago?
November 26th, 2010 at 6:44 pm
This thread was about terrorism. I have lived in Australia since the 1950′s and as far as I know there have never been any Islamic related terror events in Australia. The last terror bombing that occurred in Australia was in 1979 (the Hilton bombing). It was completely unrelated to Islam in any way. Examples of actual events of Islamic terrorism on Australian soil are non existent.
November 26th, 2010 at 10:31 pm
I disagree with the notion that all terrorists are muslims. Tim McVeigh is neither muslim or an Arab. Ted Kaczynski also not a Muslim or Arab. Both of these people carried out very heinous crimes against other Americans. Somehow we seem to be forgetting about the homegrown terrorists living in the U.S. What about all the gangs and thugs that engage in home invasions. They aren’t terrorists? What about a nation that finances another nation who carries out violent crimes against others? The U.S. sends money to Israel who then engages in warfare against Palestine. In the eyes of some, America is a terrorist state because we give money to Israel.
November 27th, 2010 at 9:37 am
Dear Cynic, Does “Up yours” work for you? I do hope so. “frick’en” is bad,
but flying planes into buildings is okay. Drawing cartoons of Mohammed is bad, but honor disfigurement and murders are okay. If anyone else in the United States were caught using more than one Social Security number they would be arrested, but President Obama having multiple Social Security numbers is okay. You all have a warped sense of values, that’s for sure. If you all want to go to Paridise, then please GO, and if you really feel that you have to take anyone with you, take some of your fellow believers, or, equally good, take as many as United States Congressmen as possible, including United States Government employess, excluding the military.
Actually, had those two planes that flew into the Twin Towers flown into the United States Congress while it was in session, maybe we wouldn’t think as bad of Islam as we do. Why? Because congress is promoting Sharia, as are the courts, as are the stupid infidel government employees in all phases of U.S. government, including the Secret Service, the F.B.I., and all state and local police forces, that’s why.
Good for you, bad for Western Civilization, Reason, and Womens’ Rights.
November 27th, 2010 at 11:08 am
So you just prove my point with 15 lines of generalisations, and judging 1.5 billion people based on the actions of 19 of them. You are a ‘fricken’ joke.
November 27th, 2010 at 11:30 am
you’ve just proven ***. Reading her piece of crap post lowered my IQ a couple of notches.
November 27th, 2010 at 12:03 pm
Agreed Cynic, I mean, is there any point in even reading this? *sigh* Miss, if I write you a reasoned response will you read it?
November 27th, 2010 at 12:06 pm
Another hilariously ridiculous Miss Manners rant LOL
November 27th, 2010 at 12:22 pm
Whoa…what happened to my avatar?
November 27th, 2010 at 12:23 pm
Don’t worry…I found it.
November 27th, 2010 at 12:28 pm
If you were an Islamophobe like Jihadbob, you would have blamed it on those pesky “taqiyya-sprayin’” Mooslims. Thankfully, you’re not.
November 27th, 2010 at 2:02 pm
@ miss manners
Not up to the final challenge are we? Instead you add to the list of lies.There is a reason, i think, you will not provide evidence for your assertions, but i’m trying to be fair in offering you the chance to support your “arguments”. Your friend jihad bob continues to fail miserably, so let’s see how you fare. Prove:
1. With Quotes from the Qur’an, using an accurate translation and the Arabic transliteration, that the Qur’an says “Kill Jews and Christians”, “(kill)infidels”, “(kill)unbelievers”, “(kill)those that would leave Islam”,”
You should have no problems since, as you put it, there are “phrases too numerous to mention that fill the, what some here on this blog has described, “Book of Hate”.”
2. That the war throughout the world is between Islam and everyone else.
3 With quotes from the so-called jihadists and mainstream Muslims alike that “In every country the followers of Islam are trying to impliment “Sharia Law”(i will even give you a pass by letting you continue to conflate shari’ah, hudud and fiqh into one artificial category).
4. Prove that Loonwatch posters, including but not limited to Jack Cope, supports or defends honor killings, killing those who wish to leave Islam, your bogus understanding of jihad,and killing infidels.
5. Prove for that matter that Islam promotes or sanctions such things with quotes…quotes from Qur’an, hadith, and Loonwatch so you don’t get confused
5.You said: “And by the way, that’s where you belong and that’s where you’ll stay, in some squalid dirty camp that could’ve been cleaned up years ago if you ragheads would’ve spent money on digging outhouses and schools and birth control instead of rockets to shoot across in Israel.”
Prove that that wasn’t some bigoted, maniacal, genocidal rant blaming Palestinians and Islam for their condition vis a vis Israel.
5. Prove that you aren’t a racist because “Get a life, we’re all sick of hearing muslims moan about, well, it’s about everything, isn’t it?”, sounds a lot like what white supremacists say about Blacks.
6. Prove that Muslims think “flying planes into buildings is okay” or that murder is okay according to Islam.
7. Obama uses two different social security numbers.
8. Prove that you are not a genocidal maniiac subtly advocating mass murder of members of Congress.
9. Prove that Congress,the US courts, government employees, Secret Seervice andd the FBI promotes “shari’ah”. i mean, members of these groups(not all) are so busy harassing Muslims, you mean to tell me the policy is publicly harass Muslims and defame Islam, but privately promote Shari’ah?
If you cannot prove all of these wild assertions you have three options:
1. You can take your meds or begin seeing your psychiatrist again and try to post something sensible.
2.You can go in the way of cheryl, and i will wish you peace
3. you can stfu.
Sounds a bit like convert, submit, or die, you say? Well what can i say, i am Muslim after all
Allahu A’lam
Allahu A’lam
November 27th, 2010 at 3:41 pm
And here are the odds for the response to muhammad’s post (no bets please, I’m Muslim):
1037890238^99:1 amazing, coherent post with wonderfully cited sources that blows our minds
1:20 cites hate site
1:10 lame attempt to prove at least one point, but not following muhammad’s requests for sources etc
1:5 silence and we never hear from her again
1:2 genocidal threats against various members, muhammad espcialy
1:1 another rant
November 27th, 2010 at 4:22 pm
@ Jack Cope
LOL that post was awesome
Alalhu A’lam
November 27th, 2010 at 4:25 pm
^* Allahu A’lam
November 29th, 2010 at 2:06 pm
Everybody needs to take a REALITY CHECK, here and now! No stupid people, please. Nobody has anything against Arabs, or Shintos, or Jews, or anyone on the face of the earth. What people like me don’t like is the part about “respect islam”.
Why? Respecting islam is akin to respecting PolPot, or Stalin, or Mao. Why would a rational person respect insanity? Well, they wouldn’t, now would they? Mosque at ground zero? Foot baths in airports?
Look, if you don’t want to assimulate, STAY ON THE SAND DUNE.
It’s always in your face, with you people. Praying on the streets and sidewalks, get real. That’s a form of terror, understand? When you see a bunch of crazed pyschos banded together with a common cause, that’s terror.
So, please, take the time and ACTUALLY READ the quoran and then tell me about the Golden Rule, and Peace, and Compassion. Oh, let’s not forget, if you ever leave Islam and become a Monk somewhere, they’ll kill you, you know, or you don’t remember that part of the quoran? What about the part that it’s okay to kill your enemy in a mosque, that’s just great. It’s all about killing with that book, you know.
You people, you believers that those who flew the planes into buildings are in Paradise, eat it.
November 29th, 2010 at 2:44 pm
The reality check:
Stereotypes, prejudices and generalizations about any group of people are always wrong.
Also, Jesus is a Muslim.
November 29th, 2010 at 2:58 pm
It sure would be nice to know what the world figures and not just the US figures are for terrorism.
November 29th, 2010 at 3:14 pm
And as I predicted…
Sorry Miss, you are saying *we* need a reality check? Erm, I’ll let you point out the fallacy there.
You then go on to say you have nothing against anyone, yet two lines down you make discriminatory comments against Arabs. I also feel sorry for you if you get scared by people praying, that is rather pathetic. Live and let live, they are allowed to so leave it. No, it is not in your face, it is only in your face when you make it in your face. Are most Muslims pushing for the things you say? Are *any* Muslims doing that? The answer is of course no they are not, it is all in your head. Do you even know any Muslims to ask them what their view is on this? Again, I think we know the answer to that one. Over and over again you trump up false charges based on suspicion and lies, maybe if you actually got to know the reality then there wouldn’t be this problem. How about you try that? You are not behaving like a rational person one bit, you come across as a raving loony. I am sure you are not, you are just like that due to the websites you read and will be far more rational upon getting some facts. The fact that you view ordinary Muslims as ‘crazed psychos’ is more evidence of this. Again, do you even know a single Muslim?
And yes, most of us, as Muslims, have read the Qu’ran, have you? Or have you just read the selected quoting from nutters like Pam? I think it’s the second one. Anyway, you asked me to show you evidence of:
Golden rule; in his last sermon, Mohamed commanded “Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you.”. The Qu’ran also states that we should chose for others like we chose for ourselves.
Peace: “But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace” (chapter 8 verse 61) is just one of many examples of peace commanded in the Qu’ran.
Compassion: One of God’s names is also ‘The Compassionate’ and each chapter except for one begins with the words ‘In the name of God, The Merciful, the Compassionate’. The Qu’ran orders compassion in many ways, whether it be taking care of orphans and widows, do giving to charity, to helping strangers to name three examples. Also, it should be noted that the Arabic word for compassion is rahmah, the traditional Arab compassion that is found through the Middle East can be directly traced to the Qu’ran and this word. Compassion is one of the central parts of Islam, as shown by making one of the ‘Pillars of Islam’ the pillar of ‘Zakat’ or ‘Charity’.
Also, no where in the Qu’ran is the order to kill people who leave Islam given, no where. The Qu’ran says the opposite when it says “There is no compulsion in religion…”(Chapter 2, Verse 256). Nor does it say that it is OK to kill anyone in a Mosque, you are misunderstand a verse that states if your enemy attacks you in even the Sacred Mosque (Mecca) then you should fight back. No, it is not all about killing, if you had actually read it then maybe you would understand that, so take your own advice and read it.
And as has been said many many times to you, none of us say that the people who committed 9/11, which is condemned as an act of barbarity, are in paradise, none of us. Your accusation is baseless slander.
Peace Be Upon You
November 29th, 2010 at 9:54 pm
@ Miss Manners
No more mister nice guy. i already disproved your idea about no Golden rule in Islam and other posters have refuted the rest of your nonsense, so it’s time to put up or shut up….provide sources for your claims or STFU!
“Oh, let’s not forget, if you ever leave Islam and become a Monk somewhere, they’ll kill you, you know, or you don’t remember that part of the quoran?”
Quote the verse in the Qur’an, with the Arabic, that says this.
“What about the part that it’s okay to kill your enemy in a mosque, that’s just great.”
Quote the verse in the Qur’an, with the Arabic that says this. Jack Cope you are far too kind to suggest that she was referring to something about the Sacred Mosque.
Allahu A’lam
November 30th, 2010 at 12:12 am
if the article is showing realities, it is shame to say how the right wing media’s creating Islamophobia in the mind of people, which is mis-leading millions and keeping a religion as terrorist.
December 1st, 2010 at 10:00 am
Almost everywhere I hear people talking & debating about Muslims being terrorists. But as for me & my spouse, the only chanting we do at home, to educate our children is – beware of strangers (be it Muslims, Christians, Jews, white, black, purple, blue, pink, brown, etc) & be very vigilant of the surroundings! At least once a week, we will remind them of the terror criminals caused to our community & country on daily basis. Every hour someone is either murdered, raped, kidnapped, pulled into drugs, gangs, etc. Amazingly, majority of these daily crimes are done by non-Muslims. These are the real terrorism! We are so busy putting our nose in other countries affairs, ‘taking care’ of wars, & pointing fingers at all 1.5 billion Muslims & their religion that we failed to address the real threat! –
I bet many countries around the world look at US as a ‘big bully’. They might be thinking in their heads “if the American president can lie about Iraq (WMD) & got away with it, imagine what else can America & it’s people do… what actually happened on 9/11 then? If Bush can lie about Iraq, how can we believe anything he & his administration claimed about 9/11? where are all the evidence? why not independent/neutral investigations like how it’s done for Iraq?” Other people in other countries might not share the same sentiment as ours, because they have their own medias to feed them with news… how Palestinians are treated & bullied, how our soldiers killed/raped/etc innocent civilians in countries they created war with… how double standard we are – pick & choose who can kicked people out of their homes & lands…etc
I know I do not like to be pointed or blamed for the lies of Bush & his people, or for the wrong doings of our soldiers, therefore I promised myself I will never do that to others.
“Honesty is the first chapter in the book of wisdom.” – “I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is Just; that His justice cannot sleep forever.” – Thomas Jefferson
December 4th, 2010 at 1:41 am
Miss Manners said:
“You want justice? The backlash against those who are muslim and those who side with them, those who support Obama and those who are against the United States Constitution, NO MATTER WHERE IN THE WORLD YOU WISH TO HIDE, will be hunted down and exterminated like the dogs you are”
“People like Jack Cope will be hunted and killed, it’s just a matter of time. Either you support the U.S.Constitution, are YOU ARE HISTORY, Jack.”
Loonwatch i hereby demand that miss manners be banned from this site, effective immediately.Only so much should be tolerated here. Enough is enough!
Allahu A’lam
December 4th, 2010 at 4:33 am
She is very bizzare I agree .
Although like many of her ilk seems very selective in her facts .
Those brave men who died on D Day ,most of whom took part were British Canadian, Anzac, Polish as well as american ,although if you believe the hollywood version only the americans took part I suggest you get some decent history books .Or watch the film “the longest day” as it gives a better idea than saving private ryan.
The fight was for freedom. Freedom to practice religion freedom to believe what you want .
That means you are free to be a loon but others are free to practice Islam if that is what they wish . I would fight for your right to hold idiotic views, which you obviously do . That it true freedom
December 5th, 2010 at 4:12 pm
Miss Manners is a hardcore fascist and a promoter of terrorism. She is also a hater of freedom and individual liberty, as well as the American constitution, and has made herself an enemy of intelligence and rationality.
She’s also very, very stupid, and a small-minded simpleton, as well as a mental midget. Her insecurities drive her to project her problems onto others, as she tries to compensate for these short-comings of hers, by posting her angry, incoherent, hate-filled rants.
Miss Manners is thus living proof that women can be just as meatheaded as men can be.
December 5th, 2010 at 10:34 pm
Thanks Miss, if you’d just forward that to my email so I can stick it on my wall along with all the other threats against my life, I’d be most obliged. I’ll also give you my name, address, country of residence, where I shop, where I go for my lunch and so fourth if you so wish. Heck, you can just take my Facebook account, I do love death threats:
the.strangers.blog@gmail.com
http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=677542473
And I am deadly serious, go for it.
December 5th, 2010 at 10:53 pm
Thanks Miss, if you’d just forward that to my email so I can stick it on my wall along with all the other threats against my life, I’d be most obliged. I’ll also give you my name, address, country of residence, where I shop, where I go for my lunch and so fourth if you so wish. Heck, you can just take my Facebook account, I do love death threats:
the.strangers.blog@gmail.com
And I am deadly serious, go for it.
December 6th, 2010 at 6:55 pm
You know the articles was great but I found myself reading the comments section more and more due to how unbelievably stupid the nutter islamophobes are. I mean really it’s amazing how they talk about freedom and what not but all they do is espouse hate.
Listening to them is like reading old news clippings from Nazi Germany. How the vile Jews wish to subjugate the freedom loving Germans and how they needed to strip away all their rights inorder to keep the Jews from taking over.
Here is some food for thought. The islamophobes are very quick to talk about stuff like taqiyya. The reason for this is not due to actually belief that Muslims practice it. It’s because these fascist idiot islamophobe mutters are the ones hiding their true nature and are trying to reveals their hate as legitement discourse. All in all eternal, Cheryl, and miss manners provide me with much amusement.
December 12th, 2010 at 10:07 am
there are 0.6 muslim in USA due to CIA Factbook, But can make 6 percent of terrorist that too much for me.
I’m muslim and sometimes I feel I am atheist , I hope many people will understand my religious soon sorry for my bad english
I love muslim and USA
December 13th, 2010 at 3:16 pm
Danios (or anyone who knows),
Where are these facts from? I don’t mean to try to degrade your argument at all. I have a Model United Nations conference this week and several of the resolutions have to do with anti-Islamic stereotypes and beliefs. I am a delegate in the Organization of Islamic Conference (OIC), and these facts would help me greatly, as well as help dispel these stereotypes.
Kind Regards,
Thomas Carden Jr.
December 15th, 2010 at 12:59 am
Danios, where do you conclude the ethnicity of the terrorists on the FBI website?
December 15th, 2010 at 1:22 am
?
December 19th, 2010 at 7:38 pm
From what I’ve read, Miss Manners was talking about TYRANNY and how it is EVERTONE’s duty to stamp it out whenever and wherever it rasies its ugly head. If you don’t believe for one minute that Islam is TYRANNY then you best go back and 1) read the quoran and, 2) pay attention what is going on in the world by reading Atlas Shrugs, Pam Gellers website that only reports the truth about the hate and terror that is Islam. Also watch the movie FITNA.
If this upsets anyone then you obviously have issues with what is true. Believing in lies is condusive to a irresponsible life.
I said that I wouldn’t waste my time posting on this ridiculous website anymore but Jack Cope is a real sad case of grandular importance, that’s a fact.
So go ahead, Mr. Cope, don’t read about the honor killings and cutting off girl’s clits, it’s way, way over your pay grade.
December 19th, 2010 at 8:08 pm
Cheryl,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRHUXcCI4xY
Allahu A’lam
December 19th, 2010 at 10:36 pm
From what I’ve read, Miss Manners was talking about TYRANNY
From what I read, Cheryl you are Miss Manners.
December 19th, 2010 at 11:00 pm
^ i concur
Allahu A’lam
December 20th, 2010 at 11:41 am
Shrugs, Gellers and that movie “Fitna” offer nothing but sensationalism to promote lies. If anyone wants to know the ACTUAL truth about Islam, they should consult with Islamic sources. This should be common sense to anyone.
Would you go to an athletics coach to learn about chemistry?
Would you try to learn how to read from someone who’s illiterate?
Would you go to a Christian to learn about Buddhism?
The answer to all of these questions should be “no”. You should go to a chemistto learn about chemistry, a literate person to learn how to read, a Buddhist to learn about Buddhism and a Muslim to learn about Islam. Gellers and Shrugs aren’t Muslims, and that film “Fitna” isn’t done by any learned Muslim expert on Islam. Therefore, none of them are proper sources to learn about Islam.
If you want to read the Qur’an to learn about Islam, then you should also learn how it has always been properly understood from authentic Muslim sources. Gellers, Shrugs and the movie “Fitna” are not authentic Muslim sources. They are cheap, anti-Islam sensationalist propaganda sources, meant to deceive the lowest common denominator who don’t know any better (and likely never will).
December 23rd, 2010 at 12:15 pm
“I said that I wouldn’t waste my time posting on this ridiculous website anymore but Jack Cope is a real sad case of grandular importance, that’s a fact.”
Yet you clearly had to read this website to pick up my ‘grandular importance’, whatever that is. You must have a lot of time to spare which doesn’t surprise me… please, keep the insults and threats coming, your death threat is on my wall.
Yes indeed it is the duty of everyone to stamp out tyrany and as someone who is so obviously an expert on Islam you will well know that the ‘quoran’ says this a number of times, as do the Hadith.
As for wanting to know about what goes on in the world, if I do that I will either 1) go there myself, 2) speak to people who have been there or 3) read reliable sources. If I wanted to read or hear the ramblings of a deranged woman I can do that when I do my voluntary work at the Psychiatric Hospital or the prison. As for watching low grade film productions, again, I have far better options out there like Youtube which are a great deal more interesting. If someone takes offense at any of the above mentioned, it’s probably because they are allergic to bullshit and opportunistic money making, as I am. Finally, if reading about people being killed and having their bits cut off does it for you then go ahead, the world is full of all types. I on the other hand would rather lend a helping hand to the victims and condemn such actions, try and stamp it out, point out how it goes against the Qu’ran and so fourth, as does every Muslim I know and every Muslim on this website.
I await for you to waste more of your oh so precious time to come up with a response to that one, preferably one that addresses the points made to you in this post and others rather than simply skirting around it and dishing out insults/death threats (though I enjoy them).
Peace.
January 10th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
It’s so easy for people to belive when someone says “all muslims are terrorist” compared to when someone says “some muslims are peaceful”
January 11th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Well of course its easy to believe all muslims are terrorists. It doesn’t challenge the easy way of viewing muslims, and it gives us a nice convenient group to dump all of our anger on to. Great point
January 14th, 2011 at 12:12 am
I believe that we have to take everything with a grain of salt. Is this meant to be an editorial? As in, the personal opinions of someone on any topic or an article, stating facts? I feel there is a lot of talk about the “Islamaphobes” more so than the facts that more terrorists are not Muslim. Also, there is a fraction that are. Should we discount them? A Muslim group did crash into the Twin Towers. What if it were another ethnic/religious group? Would people be just as frightened of that group? Would it had been another group, would you have been trying to disprove the media?(Which is all biased, to say the least.) Say it had been not a well-known radical group or not a radical group such as Black Baptists? (Merely an example.) Would there be as big of a backlash?
January 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
@Milad, you do realize that the logic (or lack thereof) you just used in your assertion would also state that 42% of latinos or 7% of jews living in the US are terrorists? Food for thought.
January 24th, 2011 at 9:21 am
that’s a big FAT LIE!
all terrorist are Muslims.
whats the damn news
February 1st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Someone brought it to my attention that this research does not categorize the right wing abortion clinic bombers. So, in effect, the actual percentage of Muslim terrorists actually decreases!
Also, the specific location of the FBI pie chart (in detail) is @ http://www.fbi.gov/
February 3rd, 2011 at 12:22 pm
A very good article. It shows how there are those at the top who can influence peoples emotions and thoughts for their own interests. The mainstream media is owned by a handful of people so they can create myths and the people will buy it.
The question is why the Muslims? Why not the hindus, sikhs, jews or budhists? The others are religions and apart from a few guidelines are content not to interfere with politics. Islam is a complete way of life with its own system et al. Islam is an ideological threat to Capitalism just as Communism was before. This is Capitalist propaganda because in reality if the people’s minds were not poisoned against Islam they would be embracing it in their millions.
February 7th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Not all muslims are terrorists – but Islam needs reform – this is certain.
February 16th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
that’s a big FAT LIE!
all terrorist are Muslims.
whats the damn news
^ an emotional-impulse response, when long-held beliefs are confronted by reality.
February 26th, 2011 at 9:39 am
My problem with this chart is you have a 24% lump which is aggregated racially, rather than along ideological lines. “Latinos?” That seems a very broad category. What groups does this wedge represent? I’m sure there have to be at least a few Latino Muslims, for instance.
Also, as a former Michigander who watched the Hutaree militia get away with threatening to kill police and destabilize the US Gov’t, and got virtually no press for it outside of Michigan, I’m intrigued at the lack of far right extremist groups in this chart. Are they in “Others?”
February 26th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
GAY article crap crap !
NONSENCE as an american catholic i think its just being rascit on muslims !
February 27th, 2011 at 12:52 am
So this data is just the attacks and attempted attacks within the U.S.? Hmmmm…. that is misleading in itself.
February 27th, 2011 at 11:47 am
My problem with this chart is you have a 24% lump which is aggregated racially, rather than along ideological lines. “Latinos?” That seems a very broad category. What groups does this wedge represent? I’m sure there have to be at least a few Latino Muslims, for instance.
- It’s doubtful that terrorists who are Latino are motivated by any ideology, much less an “Islamic extremist” one, and even if some of them happen to be Muslims, it wouldn’t matter, as it would have nothing to do with their motives nor the attacks.
So this data is just the attacks and attempted attacks within the U.S.? Hmmmm…. that is misleading in itself.
There is another one for Europe:
http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/01/terrorism-in-europe/
And it isn’t a coincidence that the terrorism statistics are loosely consistent with the population dynamics of the country. If the vast majority of a country’s population isn’t Muslim, then it stands to reason that the vast majority of its terrorists would also not be Muslims.
Likewise, in all the statistics of Muslim terrorism that those anti-Muslim, anti-Islam police blotter websites cite, the vast majority of it occurs in Muslim majority countries, and that isn’t a coincidence either. The vast majority of those countries is Muslim, so it stands to reason that the vast majority of its terrorists would be Muslim as well.
In the end, there’s always going to be terrorists. The only difference that population dynamics makes with regards to them, is with their face, not their motives.
March 7th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
allah akbar!!
March 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
I need some help with math. Looking at two censuses (data from 2009), I find that there are 199.3 million Whites and 30.4 million Latinos registered. For religion, 0.6% are Muslim, 99.4% are not Muslim (with 16.1%) listing no religion.
This means that for the highest terrorist group (Latinos) 42% of acts are committed by 30.4% of the population 30.4/42 (1.38% of terrorist acts for every 1% of the population). The LOWEST terrorist group (with only 6%) is only a part of the 0.6% of the Muslim population. 6% of terrorist acts are committed by 0.6% of the population. 0.6/6
My final numbers, then are: Latinos commit 1.38 terrorist acts for every 1% of the population. Islamic extremists commit 10 terrorist acts for every 1% of the population.
Is my math wrong?
March 9th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
99% of all people have more than the average number of legs. I don’t believe the statistical pool is relevant when you open it up back to 1980. The world has changed significantly since then. Why not open it up all the way back to Pearl Harbor so we can compare Muslim extremists to the Japanese military? Let’s be frank. Middle Eastern nations have been promoting zealous factions since Isreal defeated Egypt soundly using, guess what, a zealous military with a decided advantage due to their commitment. It won’t be the first time the losing team adopts the playbook from the winning team, and it won’t be the last. Terrorism in its present manifestation is what you get when a government wants to be enemies with benefits. Yes, I’d like to kill you, but I also think you’re an excellent customer. Muslim terrorism is unique in the amount of capital that supports it, the unquestioned religious authority that is behind it, and the complicity of the leadership of so many nations that allow it to persist. All this comparison does is show us how broad the word terrorism is. Comparing any act of violence intended to cause fear to any other act of violence with the same intention is pointless. The only thing these different groups have in common is that they don’t control a government and therefore don’t have an official army at their disposal.
March 10th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
I don’t give a rat’s patootie about 1980. I haven’t lived there in years, and I don’t think I’ll be going back.
What’s the threat profile like NOW? 2011?
Since you obviously trust the FBI’s work, or you wouldn’t base your entire page around it, let’s look at the “Most Wanted Terrorist” list NOW.
http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/wanted_terrorists
FACT: All the Most Wanted Terrorists NOW are… guess?
Not a Latino name in the group! Well well well… times sure have changed, huh? Welcome to the 21st century.
March 10th, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Swami, the difference between actual acts of terrorism (where Muslims are a minority) and who actually is investigated/prosecuted (Muslims) is only indicative of the slanted justice system, just as there is a difference between those who actually uses drugs (where whites make a majority) and those who are prosecuted/arrested way out of proportion (blacks). The fact that the list of *actual* acts of terrorism do not correlate with the FBI’s Most Wanted list is a sign of how misguided the FBI is and how the Muslim community is being unfairly targeted. What do you expect though when the FBI gets lectures from a loon like Robert Spencer, who has NO academic credentials whatsoever? But thanks for making my point for me.
As for your arbitrary care for a year (1980 just doesn’t count), we all know that if the list from the 1980′s was all Muslims, then that would be a huge proof for you. Since it doesn’t match up with your agenda, suddenly you don’t give a rat’s patootie.
Furthermore, why would it be that there was suddenly a surge of so-called “Islamic terrorism” in the last decade or so? If Islam was *inherently* violent and if it *inherently* instructed believers to commit acts of terrorism, then why didn’t the Muslims of the 1980′s commit acts of terrorism like the Islamic radicals do now? Why the difference in numbers and percentages then? Hint: you’re only proving our claim that the surge of “Islamic terrorism” is linked to U.S. foreign policy in the Middle East and surrounding areas.
March 11th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Iran isn’t a terrorist state? BS Danios, the idiot and ignoramus, is utterly and completely full of crap right up to the proverbial earlobes. Iranians are such vile cowards they have to rely on proxy armies to dispense their venom.
March 12th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
I read about Islamophobic incidents whenever I can. Yes, there are blacksheeps amongst us who are giving our faith a very bad name. But we should be tolerant of criticisms and our responses must be precise, well thought and everlasting so that none can criticise us again. We should not do anything out of haste and true anger.
That was the first portion of my reply. The truth about the crapspraying, bearded swine Rob (Fa)ert Cancer is: he is of Greek origin. So, how can he forget the Ottoman capture of Greece? Yet, he must not forget the Greek persecution of the historic region of Asia Minor where Greek heroes and gods are often found to have committed terrorism. Also, he must not forget that Muslims did not commit the Holocaust, the atomic bombing, the two world wars, the golden days of colonialism; when the motherfucker bastard Spaniards (the bastard admixture of Germans, Celts and Moors)began to loot the Americas, they always used Bible and sword. The last Inca King was forced to embrace Christianity and immediately after that, he was beheaded. His head was placed on a spear. None must (including Spencer himself) deny that the baseborne Russians drove tanks through Eid prayers in Azerbaijan albeit, Russians have no way, any right to lay claim on Central Russia-Black Sea-Eurasia just as Muslims have no right to lay claim on Europe or the Americas.
March 13th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Iran isn’t a terrorist state? BS Danios, the idiot and ignoramus, is utterly and completely full of crap right up to the proverbial earlobes. Iranians are such vile cowards they have to rely on proxy armies to dispense their venom.
The claims about Iran being a terrorist state are a bunch of hot air and nothing else.
March 16th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Thank you Sir,
I am doing an essay on the topic that terrorism has no faith and I needed statistics for that. Thank you very much
Thank you
March 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
So many comments, some good, some infuriating. As a practicing Christian living in the Middle East, in a Muslim country (which, by the way, is not where the largest populations of Muslims are, Asia is!!!) I would encourage everyone to read “Who Speaks for Islam.” Most people here, as is in Christianity, are moderates. There are extremists, the Muslim versions of Christians who bomb abortion clinics (Oh my… isn’t that… TERRORISM?). But the truth is, they are few and far between. Like in any population, the smallest groups tend to make the most noise. I see anti-terrorism commercials everyday when I watch Saudi soap operas with my friends. Funny thing, even though we see on the news hospitals or schools that have been bombed to oblivion by US troops (I support the troops, I do not always agree with the policies that lead to what they have to do), my friends realize that I am American, and that not all Americans want to blow up buildings in the Arab/Muslim world.
Another thing. Jihad translates to “struggle” not “war” or “holy war.” In the Qur’an the Prophet Mohammad talks about finishing one “jihad” (which was a battle) only to return to a greater one, developing their community. Just like quotes out of context from the Bible are used for agendas, so are they from the Qur’an. If you think you know what Islam is about I hope you have actually read the whole thing, and not excerpts off the Fox News website. There is nothing wrong with Jewish people or Christians reading the Qur’an and educating themselves. Especially given that we are “Ahal al-kitab” – “People of the Book” We share the God of Abraham. It started with Judaism, then Christians came around, and then Islam. All of these religions warred in the name of religion, and all three have active terrorists today. No one is greater than the other in that respect.
March 20th, 2011 at 3:36 am
It is very easty to construe facts to suit or fit any person’s argument…
Everything written here is anti-Israel… none is anti-Islam…
All the people you label as loons are anti-Islam, or pro-Israel… just go to show what a bigot the admins of this realy is….
If yoy were objective and real in your judgement you will see that you are allready brainwashed by islam… you are a lost case and hast given in to islam and the anti-christ…. good luck… and enjoy the threat islam has for you by forcing you to bow to islam…. very soon…
March 20th, 2011 at 9:22 am
This is great! A welcome to all the loons and islamophobes!
Like fight club we have one rule:
Here is the rule we play by
if you speak the truth then bring the proof!
Can one of you islamophobes and loons invite your “leaders”
sina, spencer, geller, ali etc etc
all are welcome!
To loonwatch guys: great job
March 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am
@Swami: Daniel Andreas San Diego isn’t a non-Muslim name?
March 20th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Paul,
“All the people you label as loons are anti-Islam”
Err, no. It’s anti-Muslim people that are named as Loons. And LoonWatch’s opinion of Israel is irrelevant, but it’s clear that they support the two state solution.
“good luck”
Thanks!
“and enjoy the threat islam has for you by forcing you to bow to islam”
Will do.
March 21st, 2011 at 7:33 pm
@Paul
It is very easty to construe facts to suit or fit any person’s argument…
- Indeed, and we see it all the time with with anti-Muslim, anti-Islam bigots.
Everything written here is anti-Israel… none is anti-Islam…
- Actually most of things written here, are anti-loon, since the site is called “loonwatch”. The “anti-Islam” stuff is for the bigots.
All the people you label as loons are anti-Islam, or pro-Israel… just go to show what a bigot the admins of this realy is….
- No, it just goes to show what bigots those loons are.
If yoy were objective and real in your judgement you will see that you are allready brainwashed by islam…
- Except seeing such a thing is neither objective nor real.
you are a lost case and hast given in to islam and the anti-christ….
- Thus exposing your Christio-apocalyptic bias.
It is, after all, absolutely necessary for Apocalyptic Christians to believe Islam is the anti-christ (even though Jesus was a Muslim), because the only other option would be to admit that Islam is the Kingdom of God, and Apocalyptic Christians just can’t have that. So, you waste millions of dollars and valuable time on Islam and Muslim bashing, as if your lives depended on it. It’s pathetic.
good luck… and enjoy the threat islam has for you by forcing you to bow to islam…. very soon…
It is unfortunate that your blind faith in the existence of an Islamic bogeyman is unfounded.
April 13th, 2011 at 3:55 am
This is bullshit!! muslims are not terrorists.. and everyone is accusing muslims about being terrorists for no reason.. look whats happening in palestine and iraq for example!! how many kids have been killed? how many houses have been destroyed over the heads of sleeping families?! and you are saying we are terrorists.!!! LOL
April 13th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
I always guess this would be the case – great post thanks. My view is that the biggest threat we face is over population not terrorism.
May 2nd, 2011 at 7:23 pm
I cannot possibly thank you enough =) What a fantastic post!
May 11th, 2011 at 3:54 am
JazakAllah for presenting this information so clearly. I learned a lot from this. I didn’t know so many terrorist acts by others groups happen so much more. No one ever mentions them.
May 13th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
The fact that you count a pipe-bomb left in somebody’s mailbox that destroys a $20 mailbox as “one incident” and you also count crashing a plane into the WTC as “one incident” means you’re just having fun with statistics. I’m sure you can’t really believe what you have written. Why don’t you compare the bodycounts. Get a different answer? I thought so.
May 13th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Learn to read. Danios didn’t come up with the numbers, the FBI did. The data disproves the Islamophobic suggestion that terrorism – even in the US – is overwhelmingly a Muslim problem. That claim relies on the numbers of attacks and perpetrators, not how successful they are.
As far as bodycounts are concerned, 9/11 and Oklahoma City are both outliers. Prior to 9/11, Oklahoma City would be far and away the most deadly attack. So would you be spewing the rhetoric we hear against Muslims at the anti-government movement? No? I thought so.
I really wish Loonwatch would put a limit on articles so that the comments are closed after a certain amount of time. It’s really tiresome when people like you show up randomly and repeat the same shit in an attempt to get the last word.
May 15th, 2011 at 12:15 am
It is an interesting set of data. My only issue is that this seems to cover only “terrorist” attacks in the U.S. and not world wide, as well as the relatively wide range of years, 1980-2005. I’d be more interested in seeing this data for world wide terrorist attacks from 2001 to present.
May 18th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
I don’t know who wrote these, but the statistics are wrong, I would like to have a valid like to a valid website or resource to see the statistics.
May 18th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
I don’t know who wrote these, but the statistics are wrong, I would like to have a valid like to a valid website or resource to see the statistics.
@ arian,
You’re saying that they’re wrong because they contradict the perception, which you’re conditioned to have. However, individual perception alone is not enough to say something is “wrong”.
As for references, they are in the article. It helps to read and check the links before commenting.
However, if you want to believe those statistics are wrong regardless, you’re free to do so. Facts and statistics are never going to be enough to convince people who’ve already made up their mind what they’re going to believe.
May 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
A Jewish woman whose son was killed in the rubble during 9/11. Was an Islamophobe and Muslim hater until my daughter was protected from bullies at a college who were making her wear pants to an athletic activity. It really showed me the true clear way of what Islam is and what it teaches. I have known the Muslim girl and her family for two and half years, and we have come to trust each other greatly. Islam means peace, and indeed it is.
May 28th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Wait, it says there’s been 2 hijacks, when it is common knowledge that 4 planes were hijacked on 9/11. That’s 4 hijacks, not 2, just saying…
June 1st, 2011 at 4:15 am
Just show this article to Senor Spencer and Senor Estupido Wilders. But they will call you a ‘dhimmi’ Haha!
June 10th, 2011 at 1:15 am
*Why do non-whites insist on invading White countries?*
You are good at being stupid. Try contacting Columbus and ask him whether US was a white country or not. Stop being a racist bigot.
June 10th, 2011 at 1:17 am
Being a dhimmi is not an insult its an honor.
Dhimmi means protected and also taken in the sense of a trusted ally.
June 11th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Latinos had the largest number, does this mean all Latinos are evil as the Neo-Nutzis say they are? If you are sane and rational, you would say no.
It is easy to say that demonize a group for a terroristic minority is Nazi. Terrorism has no religion, a terrorist can be Muslim, Christian, Jewish, Hindu, or Atheist.
I am not a Muslim, but I know what it feels like being a communist.
It is safe to say that most Islamic extermists are Naziod or outright Nutzi anti-semites and that most Jewish extermists are Zionist Islamophobes.
June 20th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Salam alaikum,
This was truly a smart article in the light of Islam and Terrorism. The world needs to wake up and see, in the midst of constant TV wizardry, that Islam was never a religion of war, but painted to be so by apologetics and polemics who desperately needed a scapegoat.
July 14th, 2011 at 8:42 am
EVERYTHING ON THIS WEBSITE IS PURE MUSLIM PROPAGANDA LIES , TYPICAL OF MUSLIMS , DECEIVING AND MANIPULATING , FUCK U MUSLIM SHITS , TAKE YOUR KORAN AND SHOVE IT UP YOUR ASSHOLES AND GET THE FUCK OUT OF CANADA SCUM !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
July 15th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
@Peter,
I guess typing in all-caps is supposed to mean something? Is that supposed to be your attempt at being “loud”? It’s very juvenile, but then again, so is what you said anyway. You are either a juvenile or you just rage-post like one.
July 15th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
To all the people questioning the official statistics and how “terrorism” is defined. I am pretty sure the FBI has a proper definition of the word, probably much better than anybody here could make up.
As for the breakdown for each of the acts, i think you can see that on their official website. If not, it would be available elsewhere. I know you can see the breakdown for hate crimes, so i imagine they would have this as well.
July 17th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Brilliant article with eye opening and accurate stats. Good work indeed
July 21st, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Good article, but nobody in all of these comments mentioned that 9/11 was an inside job. So unless George W. Bush and his cronies are secret Muslims, Islam was just the scapegoat so we could start wars for oil.
July 21st, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Man what would have known if it wasn’t for the LoonWatch. I am totally surprised that Jewish terrorism is much more frequent than Muslim. Some day the truth will come out. In the meantime we ought to spread such findings as this, let to right man. By the way, I don’t think CNN has covered this to dis-burden the Muslim Americans. CNN doesn’t do things for truth’s sake Especially truth that sheds favorable light on Islam.
July 24th, 2011 at 8:16 am
This is all so silly. If Muslims, Christians and Jews decided to convert to Jainism tomorrow, much of the worlds’ terrorism would end. Full stop. Only the God of Abraham give its followers HOLY justification for violence. Apparently, you can still get to heaven after murder and rape and mass genocide if you “accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior” or die fighting for your religion as the perpetrators of 9/11 genuinely believed. This is why there aren’t that many Quaker terrorists, or Jain terroists. Because what you BELEIVE your God thinks of your actions actually has influence. If you want this world to be a better place, treat your neighbors as you want to be treated, and leave God out of it.
July 25th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Terror has its roots in human misery.Human multiplication of 4%/a or more cannot be sustained.In Muslim areas, in Africa, in parts of S-Asia etc.this growth results in doubling times of less than 20 years.(while industrially developed countries growth rates are below 1%/a or doubling times over 100 years !!)-This discrepancy makes immigration to technically developed, secular countries desirable.Misery due to overpopulation should be handled by the United Nations,otherwise humanity will see a slaughter,as there is no hope to emigrate to another planet.The only solution:enforced sterilization where ever techn.development and education are not on par with procreation.
July 25th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Forced sterilization is ethically and morally wrong, and “overpopulation” is a myth:
Overpopulation: The Making of a Myth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZVOU5bfHrM
July 29th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
17.000 terrorist acts happened last yrs alone out of violence from non Muslims groups, yet it’s concealed, why? There is definitely a conspiracy behind Islamophobes, and this has to stop now.
August 7th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
That pie chart is misleading because it doesn’t answer the question “What percentage of people in each group have committed terrorist acts?” It doesn’t control for the relative sizes of these groups in the American population.
It’s interesting there’s no category for white-racial extremism. If all the “Other 16%” category is entirely that, then it’s a medium sized problem, less significant than lefty terrorism or latino terrorism.
Considering that (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_ethnicity_in_the_United_States) 65% are European, 15% Latino, and that (http://religions.pewforum.org/affiliations) 1.5% are Jews while 0.6% are Muslims, you’ll see
1) European-Americans contributing disproportionately lowly to terrorism. Assuming that all the “Other” category consists of acts committed by European-Americas, that’s ((16%/65)=0.25)
2) Latinos contributing disproportionately highly to terrorism. ((15%/42)=2.8)
3) Communists contributing disproportionately highly to terrorism. Whatever.
4) Jews contributing to terrorism at the lowest rate. ((7%/1.6=0.21)
5) Muslims contributing disproportionately highly to terrorism at the highest rate among all these groups. ((6%/0.6=10)
I wonder whether that FBI data counted all the Latino converts to Islam who’ve conspired or attempted to commit terrorism as “Latinos” or “Muslims?” Sort of illustrates the problem of mixing up religion and ethnicity, sort of like when lefties accuse supposed Islamophobes of being “racist”.
August 8th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
@ Elis
Your attempt to move the goal posts on this data set by comparing the acts of terrorists to an entire general population and subsequent false representation of the data is what is actually misleading, both common tactics seen amongst wingnuts.
You start off by making a baseless assumption (ie. “16% is white-racial extremism”) which is not adequately verified via any means, thus invalidating all off your successive points. You then attempted to smokescreen the discussion with political leaning nonsense due to it validating your wingnut notions, but you didn’t see fit to educate yourself on the criteria for a crime being labeled as “terrorism”. For example, only 3 attacks on abortion clinics were labeled as “terrorist acts” while there have been over 150 attacks on abortion clinics from 1989-2004 and over 540 Anthrax threats to clinics, http://bit.ly/kG6Sx, which are almost completely committed by right, wing-nut Christians.
You also did not seem to notice that an earlier poster presented the FBI statistic that the bulk of “terrorist acts” committed by “Latinos” (90 in total) happened in a separated territory from the US (Puerto Rico) and not in an actual US state, with only another 16 (0 deaths, 0 injured) by “Other Latino” groups actually targeting on US soil (http://bit.ly/ogONF0). Some might even convincingly assert that the 90 committed in Puerto Rico should not even be tabulated into this data set.
To top it all off you attempted to compare this data set, that extends over 30 years, with the constantly changing population demographics from a recent census. Has the US population been fixed with no changes in the demographics during this time period? If not, then this should be considered as an embarrassing oversight. These actions are the main reason we have the saying; “lies, damn lies, and statistics”, because unscrupulous individuals are willing to falsify them, via any means, to progress their agenda.
I to could utilize your tactic of shaping the statistics to fit an agenda; for example I could note that while Latinos account for 42% of terror attacks they only account for 6 deaths and 23 injured, while the Jewish account for 7% of terror attacks they are responsible for 5 deaths and 36 injured (http://bit.ly/ogONF0). Adjusting for difference in the total of terrorist acts, one could accurately argue the supposition that the Jewish are more likely to slaughter/endanger the lives of Americans than Latinos at a ratio of 6:1.
This would be considered accurately portraying the “facts” by righty, wing nut standards.
August 10th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Only 17 people were killed due to Jihaddist Acts on American Soil since9/11 while 75 were killed on U.S. ground since 9/11 due to hate crime on Muslims.
Condemnation without investigation is the height of Ignorance – Albert Einstein
August 10th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Say what you wish in abuse of me, for my silence towards the idiot is indeed an answer. I am not at a loss for a response but rather, It does not befit the lion to answer the dogs.
August 11th, 2011 at 11:01 am
@ Hamza
You are wrong my friend. More people have been killed for Muslim attacks on American soil since 9/11 (though it’s still quite a small number) than 18 Muslims killed since 9/11.
August 11th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Muslims need to be eradicated from the planet. Bearded roaches, all of them.
August 11th, 2011 at 11:58 am
It’s amazing how the Islamophobes keep accusing the regulars here of advocating violence or terrorism, when the only people I have seen advocating violence and terrorism on this thread have been the Islamophobes themselves.
August 12th, 2011 at 3:15 am
If terrorists arent comprised mostly of muslims, they why does the FBI’s own top 10 list of Most Wanted Terrorists only contain names of young middle eastern muslim men?
August 13th, 2011 at 12:18 am
@ trevor holmes
If terrorists arent comprised mostly of muslims, they why does the FBI’s own top 10 list of Most Wanted Terrorists only contain names of young middle eastern muslim men?
Because “top 10″ isn’t everyone, just the “top 10″ (hence the name), and the decision of who makes the cut and who doesn’t, seems to be extremely arbitrary.
Also, there are some non-middle eastern, non-Muslim men on that list.
@John1
@ Hamza
You are wrong my friend. More people have been killed for Muslim attacks on American soil since 9/11 (though it’s still quite a small number) than 18 Muslims killed since 9/11.
- That sounds exaggerated, but ultimately, many more people have been killed by murderers in general on American soil since 9/11, than any of those attacks combined.
Muslims need to be eradicated from the planet. Bearded roaches, all of them.
- Projecting yourself onto Muslims is becoming cliche. Isn’t it time you tried something new?
August 15th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
Just counting terrorist “incidents,” which include everything from mass murder to vandalizing parked vehicles, is pointless. Take a look at the death and injury counts from Muslim vs. non-Muslim “terrorism,” and you will understand why most sane people don’t think the Muslim terrorist threat is “overblown” compared to non-Muslim threats. Furthermore, non-Muslim terrorists don’t have world-wide sets of organizations that systematically plan and carry out attacks all over the world, nor do they generally plan their attacks so as to kill random shoppers, restaurant patrons, schoolchildren etc.; they more frequently go after specific targeted buildings, facilities, and (relatively rarely) individuals.
August 16th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Retarded article. He hasn’t taken into account the VAST differences in population numbers…. yeah your % looks cute on paper, but in reality is nothing but a sham.
All terrorosts are muslim…except the 94% that arent?! Well, 6% of 2 billion = 120 000 000… that is A LOT of fucking terrorists that hate the west and us white people.
August 16th, 2011 at 10:10 am
@ P. Ray
Just counting terrorist “incidents,” which include everything from mass murder to vandalizing parked vehicles, is pointless. Take a look at the death and injury counts from Muslim vs. non-Muslim “terrorism,” and you will understand why most sane people don’t think the Muslim terrorist threat is “overblown” compared to non-Muslim threats.
- Collectively, there is more death and injury from non-Muslim “terrorism” incidents than there is from Muslim “terrorism” incidents. All anyone needs to do is look at crime statistics of violence and murder to see that.
Of course, attacks that result in mass murder and injury of innocent people, are less likely to be officially classified as “terrorism” when its committed by non-Muslims than when it’s committed by Muslims. However, at the end of the day, the total number of deaths and injuries of innocent people tell the real story.
Furthermore, non-Muslim terrorists don’t have world-wide sets of organizations that systematically plan and carry out attacks all over the world,
- It’s doubtful that Muslims do either, as the connections between the various Muslim groups who commit violent crimes are shaky at best.
nor do they generally plan their attacks so as to kill random shoppers, restaurant patrons, schoolchildren etc.; they more frequently go after specific targeted buildings, facilities, and (relatively rarely) individuals.
- Generally, Muslim terrorists don’t plan their attacks that way either, except (as with non-Muslim terrorists as well) in sporadic cases, or amidst sectarian, inter-tribal conflict.
August 19th, 2011 at 10:35 am
umm … it is always possible to fudge statistics by suitably limiting your population and samples. In this case, UNC Chapel Hill and Duke decided to restrict their sample to terrorist attacks on US soil to make their point.
If you want to get an honest picture, you should look at worldwide statistics because Muslims and Islam are not confined to the US, but exist all over the world. Worldwide, terrorist attacks are overwhelmingly perpetrated by Muslims. Check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com. Since 9/11/2001 alone, there have been over 17000 (yes, SEVENTEEN THOUSAND) Islam related terrorist attacks worldwide. In this “blessed month of Ramadan” of 2011, just 18 days into the month, there have already been over 100 terrorist attacks with over 400 dead and countless injured and affected for life. And all of these have been Islam related. In the same 18-day period there have been ZERO non-Islamic terrorist attacks. And since 9/11/2001, have there even been 17 non-Islamic terrorist attacks, let alone 17000?
Peace, and hope you all have a very Blessed Friday.
August 20th, 2011 at 3:33 am
A Murtadd Says:
“If you want to get an honest picture, you should look at worldwide statistics because Muslims and Islam are not confined to the US, but exist all over the world. Worldwide, terrorist attacks are overwhelmingly perpetrated by Muslims. Check out http://www.thereligionofpeace.com.“LOL!
You also mentioned this “In this “blessed month of Ramadan” of 2011, just 18 days into the month, there have already been over 100 terrorist attacks with over 400 dead and countless injured and affected for life. And all of these have been Islam related”. Care to show us evidence that these were Islam related or is deceit your favourite pass time. Just because it happens in a Muslim majorty country doesn’t make it Islam related.
You’ve lost all credibility when you posted the link. You have a good day too now.
August 20th, 2011 at 3:40 am
“Stian Says:
August 16th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Retarded article. He hasn’t taken into account the VAST differences in population numbers…. yeah your % looks cute on paper, but in reality is nothing but a sham.
All terrorosts are muslim…except the 94% that arent?! Well, 6% of 2 billion = 120 000 000… that is A LOT of fucking terrorists that hate the west and us white people.”
I think you have a problem in reading comprehension (The article doesn’t say that there are 6% Muslim terrorists, Einstien) and you can’t even do the math (2 Billion Muslims?). So you lose.
August 20th, 2011 at 11:38 am
The “religionofpeace.com” website reports on any deadly attack committed by any Muslim for any reason, and serves as nothing more than a police blotter. It proves nothing, besides the fact there are some Muslims who commit murder, which is about as significant as the fact that there are non-Muslims who commit murder.
In comparison to the number of deadly attacks committed by non-Muslims, it’s still a very small number.
@A Murtadd
Since 9/11/2001 alone, there have been over 17000 (yes, SEVENTEEN THOUSAND) Islam related terrorist attacks worldwide. In this “blessed month of Ramadan” of 2011, just 18 days into the month, there have already been over 100 terrorist attacks with over 400 dead and countless injured and affected for life.
- Over 17,000 deadly crimes during a 10 year period comes out to approximately 5-10 deadly crimes per day. However, hundreds of deadly crimes occur globally per day, so approximately 5-10 out of those, really doesn’t sound like that much in comparison. And unless the attacks are actually connected, any sort of grouping of them is arbitrary and subjective.
And all of these have been Islam related.
- The only “relation” it has to Islam, is that the terrorists happen to Muslims, which is irrelevant, since their motives are political.
In the same 18-day period there have been ZERO non-Islamic terrorist attacks. And since 9/11/2001, have there even been 17 non-Islamic terrorist attacks, let alone 17000?
- Defining specific attacks as “terrorist”, is arbitrary and meaningless, because at the end of the day, they’re still murdering people. Whether it’s called a “terrorist attack” or not, won’t change that.
August 20th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
@murtadd
here is a a little breakdown by think progress of non muslim terrorist attacks since 9-11 http://thinkprogress.org/security/2011/03/09/149537/king-muslims-plots-terrorists/
August 20th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
@Awesome:
In response to your statement “The “religionofpeace.com” website reports on any deadly attack committed by any Muslim for any reason, and serves as nothing more than a police blotter. It proves nothing, besides the fact there are some Muslims who commit murder, which is about as significant as the fact that there are non-Muslims who commit murder.”
Care to point out which of the listed attacks are simple murders / crimes as opposed to Islam inspired bombings? Can you refute any one of them? Each incident is listed along with the circumstance and the number of victims.
There are two criterea that need to be both satisfied in order to claim that a crime was islam related, and both are satisfied in each and every case:
CRITEREA #1: The crime was committed by a Muslim. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition.
CRITEREA #2: The crime was committed in the name of Islam, in accordance with or justified by Sharia. Since the perpetrators are frequently dead (as in the case of suicide bombings), this usually needs to be inferred. The inference is not difficult if the political affiliation of the individual is known or they made some such statement prior to committing the crime.
There are plenty of bombings committed by Muslims which are not Islam related, for example the ongoing political gang warfare in Karachi. None of those are SUICIDE bombings. Do you know of any SUICIDE bombings committed by a Muslim, which was not Islam related or Islam inspired? I would love to see you point me to an example.
Peace, and hope you have a Blessed Saturday.
August 20th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
“The crime was committed in the name of Islam, in accordance with or justified by Sharia”
What makes you think that it’s in accordance with Sharia?! What proof do you have?! Did you even read the Quran or just blindly go by what neocon propagandists say?! So since Anders Blevik, a Norwegian terrorist killed about 80 youngsters in the name of Christianity, should we blame the religion then?? Many Christians have killed in the name of Christianity to justify their horrendous actions but you can’t blame the religion for it. It’s all in perception! Don’t get hypnotized by these Islamophobes!
August 20th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
^it’s too late for that.
August 21st, 2011 at 12:45 am
@A Murtadd
In response to your statement “The “religionofpeace.com” website reports on any deadly attack committed by any Muslim for any reason, and serves as nothing more than a police blotter. It proves nothing, besides the fact there are some Muslims who commit murder, which is about as significant as the fact that there are non-Muslims who commit murder.”
Care to point out which of the listed attacks are simple murders / crimes as opposed to Islam inspired bombings? Can you refute any one of them? Each incident is listed along with the circumstance and the number of victims.
- A bombing is a crime, and if it kills anyone, it’s also a murder, and that’s all there is on that list; people committing crimes. Do you think just because there’s an explosion in some of them, that it somehow magically becomes a “special” crime? It doesn’t.
The real question is, can you prove that any single one of those acts of violence listed, was motivated by Islam?
There are two criterea that need to be both satisfied in order to claim that a crime was islam related, and both are satisfied in each and every case:
CRITEREA #1: The crime was committed by a Muslim. This is a necessary but not sufficient condition.
CRITEREA #2: The crime was committed in the name of Islam, in accordance with or justified by Sharia. Since the perpetrators are frequently dead (as in the case of suicide bombings), this usually needs to be inferred. The inference is not difficult if the political affiliation of the individual is known or they made some such statement prior to committing the crime.
- Unfortunately, these crimes are not committed “in the name of Islam”, but are almost always committed in the name of some grievance.
There are plenty of bombings committed by Muslims which are not Islam related, for example the ongoing political gang warfare in Karachi. None of those are SUICIDE bombings. Do you know of any SUICIDE bombings committed by a Muslim, which was not Islam related or Islam inspired? I would love to see you point me to an example.
- There is nothing special about suicide bombings that requires a religious motivation to commit them. If you believe that suicide bombings are inspired/related to Islam, then you need to present proof of it.
August 21st, 2011 at 1:30 am
@ Mootard: get of the site, you troll! The article should have been enough to shut you up. And religionofpeace.com? SERIOUSLY?!?! Why don’t we just go ask HITLER to give us a lecture on Judaism?!?!?!?!
August 21st, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Dear SKhan,
You said “…And religionofpeace.com? SERIOUSLY?!?! Why don’t we just go ask HITLER to give us a lecture on Judaism?!?!?!?!”.
This is a common logical fallacy. Two plus two equals four, whether you hear it from Mother Teresa, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler or John Lennon. An argument does not lose its merit simply because it is delivered by someone you don’t like. An argument loses its merit only if it is false (which it is not, in the case of http://www.thereligionfpeace.com. Check any daily newspaper that reports on world events).
Peace, and hope you have a wonderful and Blessed Sunday.
August 22nd, 2011 at 9:48 am
This is a common logical fallacy. Two plus two equals four, whether you hear it from Mother Teresa, Joseph Stalin, Adolf Hitler or John Lennon. An argument does not lose its merit simply because it is delivered by someone you don’t like. An argument loses its merit only if it is false (which it is not, in the case of thereligionfpeace.com. Check any daily newspaper that reports on world events).
- I’ve already demonstrated the fallacy of “thereligionofpeace.com” website, as it sensationalizes crimes committed by Muslims, into something that’s intrinsically connected with the religion itself, without any real basis whatsoever.
If it were anyone else, their approach would be completely different, and that in itself, proves their dishonesty and bias.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:11 am
^ YEAH MOOTARD! WHATEVER AWESOME SAID!
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:27 am
Simple questions. How many academic studies have been published confirming the “17000 terrorists attacks since 9/11″ hypothesis? How many reputable academic journals have studies which cite the religionofpeace, taking the figures reported therein for granted? How many in academia give credence to religionofpeace?
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:30 am
@ibn
is the answer zero?
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:32 am
I’ll let Murtad answer the question.
August 22nd, 2011 at 11:47 am
^*crickets*
August 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 am
Even if this “17,000″ terrorist attacks figure is true, so what? What does that prove?
It PROVES NOTHING. It doesn’t get rid of the statistics that most terrorists aren’t muslim, and it certainly doesn’t get rid of the fact that the terrorists who *claim* to be muslim are a small minority in the muslim world.
Gosh you islamophobes try so hard to castigate Islam for everything.
August 29th, 2011 at 1:55 am
@Dr in NY
Do you realise that I deliberately skew my interpretation of data to make it as unfavorable towards my thesis (that Muslims contribute to terrorism disproportionately more highly than any other religious group) as possible? And then I show that despite that, the data still supports my thesis.
You start off by making a baseless assumption (ie. “16% is white-racial extremism”) which is not adequately verified via any means, thus invalidating all off your successive points
Do you not realise that what I was doing was trying to take as much of that data as possible and attribute it to white racist (and probably Christian) extremism? It doesn’t invalidate my successive points; rather, it shows that I’m trying to approach this issue in as unbiased a way as possible.
the FBI statistic that the bulk of “terrorist acts” committed by “Latinos” (90 in total) happened in a separated territory from the US (Puerto Rico)
Do you not realise that taking out those Puerto Rico data points from the study will only increase the percentage of terrorist attacks committed by Muslims and thereby increase the rate that I calculated? I did notice that Puerto Rico observation, and deliberately did not attempt to delete because I’m trying to show how even when you interpret the data in a way that is NOT favorable for my thesis, my thesis still holds.
Has the US population been fixed with no changes in the demographics during this time period?
Again, do you not realise that controlling for demographic change over that period is a statistical step that would be FAVORABLE for my thesis? Because of that, I deliberately didn’t do it to show that even when you interpret the data in a way that is NOT favorable for my thesis, my thesis still holds. The percentage of white Christians in the American population is decreasing, while the percentage of Muslims is increasing. Comparing the FBI 30 year data to a snapshot only of current demographics minimizes the number of white Christians and thereby increases their terrorism rate, while it maximizes the number of Muslims and thereby minimizes their terrorism rate.
For example, only 3 attacks on abortion clinics were labeled as “terrorist acts”
This is the only point you brought up that actually does not match my goal of interpreting the data in a way that maximizes as much as possible my goal to inflate as much as possible the significance of white racist Christian extremism, but that’s because you’re bringing in data that wasn’t in the study that’s the topic of this article. Thank you for adding to the discussion. Still, though, I think it’s safe to assume that the FBI used the same threshold standards for what constitutes an act of terrorism