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LGF: Fact-Checking Pamela Geller: ‘270 million’ victims of Islam?

No surprise here, Geller is making up facts as she goes along, but what did you expect from the Looniest Blogger Ever.

Fact-Checking Pamela Geller: ‘270 million’ victims of Islam?

by Sergey Romanov (LGF)

In her latest post Pamela Geller screeches:

It is time there was a museum exhibit dedicated to the victims of jihad. Where is the Met’s showcase of the lives and cultures and histories of the 270 million victims of over a millennium of jihadi wars, land appropriations, cultural annihilations, and enslavements? Where is the grandiose suite of new galleries dedicated to highlighting Islam’s systematic dehumanization of women: honor killings, clitorectomies, and so much more?

Wow, wow, Pamela, wait there a second. “270 million victims” of Islam? Are you sure? What might be the source for this? She gives no link.

Thankfully, Gus found what might be the primary source for this statistic:

Tears of Jihad

These figures are a rough estimate of the death of non-Muslims by the political act of jihad.

Africa

Thomas Sowell [Thomas Sowell, Race and Culture, BasicBooks, 1994, p. 188] estimates that 11 million slaves were shipped across the Atlantic and 14 million were sent to the Islamic nations of North Africa and the Middle East. For every slave captured many others died. Estimates of this collateral damage vary. The renowned missionary David Livingstone estimated that for every slave who reached a plantation, five others were killed in the initial raid or died of illness and privation on the forced march.[Woman’s Presbyterian Board of Missions, David Livingstone, p. 62, 1888] Those who were left behind were the very young, the weak, the sick and the old. These soon died since the main providers had been killed or enslaved. So, for 25 million slaves delivered to the market, we have an estimated death of about 120 million people. Islam ran the wholesale slave trade in Africa.

120 million Africans

Christians

The number of Christians martyred by Islam is 9 million [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-10] . A rough estimate by Raphael Moore in History of Asia Minor is that another 50 million died in wars by jihad. So counting the million African Christians killed in the 20th century we have:

60 million Christians

Hindus

Koenard Elst in Negationism in India gives an estimate of 80 million Hindus killed in the total jihad against India. [Koenard Elst, Negationism in India, Voice of India, New Delhi, 2002, pg. 34.] The country of India today is only half the size of ancient India, due to jihad. The mountains near India are called the Hindu Kush, meaning the ‘funeral pyre of the Hindus.’

80 million Hindus

Buddhists

Buddhists do not keep up with the history of war. Keep in mind that in jihad only Christians and Jews were allowed to survive as dhimmis (servants to Islam); everyone else had to convert or die. Jihad killed the Buddhists in Turkey, Afghanistan, along the Silk Route, and in India. The total is roughly 10 million. [David B. Barrett, Todd M. Johnson, World Christian Trends AD 30-AD 2200, William Carey Library, 2001, p. 230, table 4-1.]

10 million Buddhists

Jews

Oddly enough there were not enough Jews killed in jihad to significantly affect the totals of the Great Annihilation. The jihad in Arabia was 100 percent effective, but the numbers were in the thousands, not millions. After that, the Jews submitted and became the dhimmis (servants and second class citizens) of Islam and did not have geographic political power.

This gives a rough estimate of 270 million killed by jihad.

This was written by Bill French aka “Bill Warner” of “Center for the Study of Political Islam” (cf. this FrontPageMag interview).

Let’s go over it step by step.

1. Africans. The number of 120 million victims is, of course, taken from thin air. Even assuming the number of 25 million slaves to be correct, and assuming that “Islam” was responsible for them, one cannot simply multpily the number by a single dodgy statistical point to get some sort of a total number of “dead”.

Notice that the whole transatlantic slave trade is attributed to Islam! Apparently, Christians had nothing to do with it. This way we will soon hear that Confederacy was an Islamic separatist state.

However, when we assume the scope of the Arab slave trade (which existed before Islam) to be between 10-18 million people, to claim that Islam as such is responsible for the associated victims is the same as claiming that Christianity is to blame for the victims of slavery and racism perpetrated by Christians (among many other things).

2. Christians. The first source cited is not quite scholarly. It’s a mish-mash of statistical data, and when it comes to “martyrdom” particularly, there is no careful, scholarly discussion of each particular number as well as its sources, which leaves the question of the reliability of each particular statistic open. Here’s the table 4-10. It is so exhaustive, yet it has only 9 million alleged Christian victims of Muslims (I did not bother to verify by recounting, but table 4-5 does have 9 million alleged victims of Muslims). However then the “Tears of Jihad” article claims that there were 50 million more of them. How did the authors of that table somehow miss these additional millions? If they were so incompetent, why cite their statistics in the first place?

But where is the 50 million figure from? The source is given as “History of Asia Minor” by Raphael Moore. Quick Google search brings up this source, which is an article by Raphael Moore entitled “In Memory Of The 50 Million Victims Of The Orthodox Christian Holocaust”. Its first sub-section is called “History Of Asia Minor: 1894-1923”, which is apparently at the root of confusion for Geller’s source: the name of the sub-section was confused with the name of the complete work. Such brilliant scholarship.

The number “50 million” does appear in the article, but only as a total number of Christians martyred in XXth century!

Between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million Orthodox Christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.

Geller’s source simply took this number and ascribed it to “Jihad”.

(As a side note, this source is also far from scholarly and the number is not calculated properly, but that is already irrelevant for the purposes of the present critique.)

3. Hindus. It is claimed that the number is estimated by Elst (who is known for right-wing anti-Muslim bias). However, when we take a look at his book we see this:

As a contribution to research on the quantity of the Islamic crimes against humanity, we may mention Prof. K.S.Lal’s estimates about the population figures in medieval India (Growth of Muslim Population in India). According to his calculations, the Indian (subcontinent) population decreased by 80 million between 1000 (conquest of Afghanistan) and 1525 (end of Delhi Sultanate). More research is needed before we can settle for a quantitatively accurate evaluation of Muslim rule in India, but at least we know for sure that the term crime against humanity is not exaggerated.

So it’s not Elst’s estimate, but Lal’s estimate. And moreover, it is not an estimate of 80 million murders. It’s an estimate of a population decrease in five centuries, the causes of which may be many, including natural population decrease, conversions, etc.

The problem, however, is that Lal’s estimates are simply fantasies. One cannot take seriously any such estimates based on extremely fragmentary demographic data for the year 1000. Simon Digby writes in his review of Lal’s book, after addressing some of Lal’s assumptions (Bulletin of the School of Oriental and African Studies, University of London, vol. 38, no. 1, 1975, p. 177):

Regarding the population of India before A.D. 1000 Lal quotes the guesses of Colin Clark – 70 millions – and Jyotindra Mohan Datta – 200 to 300 millions. He himself prefers 200 millions and he believes that, mainly as a result of the Muslim invasions and presence, the population of India fell from 200 millions in A.D. 1000 to 125 millions in A.D. 1500, to rise under more amiable Mughal rule to 175 millions in 1700.

[…]

The author is known for his detailed studies of the Khalji dynasty and of the fifteenth century Delhi sultanate. He is well versed in the sources of medieval North Indian history. In the present study he has assembled almost all the conceivably relevant data and for this reason it will remain of value as a compendium of references. Yet the unknown variables are so great and the quality of the data yielded by our sources so poor that almost any detailed general estimates of population based upon them must appear wilful, if not fantastic. At the time when this review was being written, E. J. Hobsbawm (in New Society, 11 July 1974, 76) called the attention of historians of premodern Europe, who dabble in social statistics based on sources of comparable quality to those of Lal, to an axiom of computer operators ‘GIGO’: this stands for ‘Garbage in – Garbage out’!

A reasonable person can agree with this conclusion. Thus, the figure of “80,000,000” Hindus murdered by Muslims is based on nothing but weak speculations.

Interestingly, elsewhere Elst writes:

Prof. K.S. Lal once estimated that the Indian population declined by 50 million under the Sultanate, but that would be hard to substantiate; research into the magnitude of the damage Islam did to India is yet to start in right earnest.

4. Buddhists. The only source given for the alleged Buddhist victims of Muslims is the same book with Christian statistics, not any scholarly historical source about, you know, Buddhists. But when we look at the table 4-1, we only see the number of 10,000,000 Buddhists cited (without sources, I might add; and it contains 80,000,000 alleged Muslim martyrs as well, 10 million more than alleged Christian martyrs, estimated to be 70 million!). There is no indication in the table that these Buddhists were slaughtered by Muslims.

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As an atheist, I have no problem with talking about the responsibility of religions for many evils of this world. However I must state that the much bandied about number of “270 million” victims of Islam is total bunk based on nothing.

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  • Jacomo

    Like the “270 million”, there is no real Proof for the Numbers of ‘Our Claims’.
    ‘Some say, that in the Americas, mostly Mid/Central/South, there has been between 100 & 150 Millions wasted. … No Islam involved.
    Little ‘Cupcakes on the Way’, like Caribbeans/Others and later on some SoutPacifics are the usual Snacks between Lunch and Dinner.

    Australia was almost a Disappointment, as there was an insoffisant Number of Natives available to be Killed. .. Just a few Millions ..
    So far …. no Islam involved.

    Asia wasn’t to bad, from China to the SouthEast we slaughtert many Millions.
    India, hit by the Brits, was a Blast, with Numbers ranging from 8 til 40 Millions throughout the ‘Hooligan-Occupation’. …. No Islam

    Africa! ..

    Almost forgot … During the Christian Western’ers startet slaughtering People on other Continents, They had this relidiot 30Year-War(1618-’48) going in Europe. Highest Estimates up to over 50 Million wasted.
    For instant in some Parts of Germany, up to a Third of Population has been wasted. …. No Islam

    Inquisition! …. No Islam

    Holy War … in Between and Forever .. Islam … there We Go and keep on Goin.

    J.

  • mindy1

    @Stoned, that was not me

  • Géji

    Mark my word, with the rate of her obsession with Islam, soon enough this terror-linked psychopath will come up with the idea that it wasnt actually Nazi Germany but Islam who gassed and placed in ovens the 6 million Jewish victims, less than 70yrs ago. When one is as damaged as her, one can go that far.

    But if we’re gonna crunch numbers since the beginning of each tradition. Then lets see shall we. How many countries has USA and European countries invated just in modern time after WW2?? What about the Soviet Union? And WWI and WW2 death toll?? How many genocides of Native people from Australia to US to Canada and elsewhere? Whats the death toll due to different Christian Empires, including US-of-A?? How many blessed crusades and reconquistas by Popes?? What was the death toll of cruely captured Black slaves?? I can go on, but that alone certainly, infinitely is way far more higher than “270 million”.
    And What about the Jewish tradition since its beginning??

    Our Mrs obviously sick, neo-nazi ideologue probably thinks common people are ignorant of history, or that common folks can see things easily as black or white as she does. In her mind she probably believes only her and her ilks alone can “enlighten” us about world history and “numbers”. And that of course fits the lucrative business of I$lamophobia(i.e bold facely lie about Islam, and you’ll get gra$$$ly rewarded by societies steeped in hate of the “other”)…..How Vile.

  • Stoned Gremlin

    @David No there was a commenter here that said Gellar had less that 10 thousand followers world wide (doesn’t 10k=10000?) I think it was mindy…

  • Sir David ( Illuminati membership number 5:32) Warning Contains Irony

    As for quoting David Livingston , he is a distant relation of mine , one needs to be aware that he was writing anti slavery propaganda so the 1 in 5 figure may be a bit on the large side also he was very clear of the christian nature of the people buying the slaves in the carrabian and the USA and the mostly arab back ground on many of the middle men in Africa he abbored them both in equal measure for differing reasons .

    Stoned Gremlin
    You trust Pam’s figures ?

  • corey
  • Stoned Gremlin

    @rob Didn’t mindy herself say that she had less than 10k followers world wide?

  • Al

    Polythene Pam, the pudding faced pundit.

  • Perhaps what I was saying above was this:

    charles Johnson is being attacked by the right wing loons for speaking out against their hate. The least we can do is not throw his past in his face, and show a bit of appreciation if nothing else.

  • Danios, Zionist means different things to different people. This site links to Richard Silverstein who calls himself a Zionist so it’s unfair to tarnish all zionist endorseres as enemies.

    Zionist extremists yes, but then again remember on the other side there are those who are just as bad.

    For the record, Charles Johnson supports Israel and I don’t see anything wrong with that, he has spoken out against Zionist extremists.

    I think people should not judge him on his past anti Muslim stance, which he has since recanted from. Articles published here, have used him as a source.

    I believe he is worthy of anti Loon award, perhaps more so because he mended his ways. The right wing loons call him a tool of the Muslim Brotherhood now, no doubt because they want him to stop speaking out against hate targeting Muslims.

  • Iangould

    “Between the tolls exacted from prisons, concentration camps, forced marches and exiles, warfare, famine, and brutal military occupation, it is reasonable to conclude that up to 50 million Orthodox Christians have perished in the first eight decades of the twentieth century.”

    The vast bulk of those would be Russian, Polish and Ukrainian victims of the Soviets. THe next largest group would probably be Serbs killed by the pro-Nazi Croatian Ustasha (sp?) during World War II.

    I eagerly await Pam’s article explaining how the sickle on the Soviet flag is a cleverly disguised crescent moon.

  • Danios

    @ dan15:

    Interesting. Thanks for the 411. I’d love to talk to him some day. He seems like a very interesting fellow.

    The “pro-Israel” sites he links to, however, are very childish and clownish, which do not fit with his writing. But when it comes to matters regarding Israel, somehow people leave their senses behind…that applies to both sides of the spectrum.

    With regard to the award thing, I doubt anyone would care if we award them or not, lol.

  • Garibaldi

    @YM,

    Charles Johnson has been on our radar since back in the day when he was involved in the Great Blog Wars that took place amongst the Islamophobes. He surely did a 180 and ever since has been outspoken against his former buddies and the general trend of anti-Muslim bigotry and Islamophobia.

    That said, an award is a different matter and all factors will have to be taken into consideration before we give one. Thanks for the suggestion however. –Garibaldi

  • dan15

    YM, Charles Johnson didn’t write it; it was Sergey Romanov who is a major contributor to the site.

    Danios, Charles Johnson has done a complete 180 from his old views and he has been a major critic of the right. He may be pro-Israel, but he has no qualms criticizing pro-Zionist hacks who demonize Muslims.

  • Danios

    @ YM:

    I don’t follow his blog closely enough to really know what his views are. He still has some loony pro-Zionist links under his “Resources” tabs.

  • YM

    Charles Johnson deserves an award from loonwatch. He’s one of the biggest critics of the islamophones. This piece is just one of many that he’s written that totally dismantles the loons arguments.

  • Good work, it’s not easy staying on top of the [snipped] of Satanists, they are busy little hornets.

  • Abdul-Rahman

    Geller is again a liar who simply makes things up and takes from other Islamophobic liars and frauds. The overall population of India increased under Muslim rulers, the Trans Atlantic slave trade was obviously run by Europeans (as one of the first slave ships in the Atlantic slave trade was run by Englishman Sir John Hawkins and was called the “Goodship Jesus”). Where was this alleged Muslim “killing” of Buddhists?! It didn’t happen. As for orthodox Christians, any death figures of orthodox Christians in the 20th century obviously is taking figures of mostly orthodox Christians in Russia: i.e. there are orthodox Christians all throughout the world (in this case Russian Orthodox Christians). So most figures of deaths of orthodox Christians are likely Russian Orthodox Christians and from the time of Stalin’s government in the Soviet Union (putting aside if these figures against Stalin are even true to start with).

  • Abdul-Rahman

    Pamela Geller is an idiot. If someone wanted to make a list of the crimes of European peoples (most of whom were and are Christians) you would get huge figures. For example the Spanish and other European colonialist powers are believed to have killed up to 100 million indigenous Native people of the Americas (aka Mesoamerica) see Henry Dobyns and David Stannard author of “American Holocaust: Columbus and the Conquest of the New World”.

    Then for just one more the Trans Atlantic slave trade some estimates of Africans deaths (at the hands of Europeans) go from 10 million up to 100+ million (with around 30 million deaths not an uncommon figure).

    One last point on India, anybody who bothers to do even a basic internet query can the Hindu Kush mountains can find what the name really means and it doesn’t mean “Hindu slaughter” as the Islamophobic liars claim. http://www.load-islam.com/artical_det.php?artical_id=416&section=indepth&subsection=Islamic%20history

    “Britannica Encyclopaedia states:

    The name Hindu Kush derives from the Arabic for “Mountains of India.”[1]

    Furthermore, the name Hindu Kush did not first appear in 1333 AD in the writings of Ibn Battutah but appeared on a map published circa AD 1000.

    Britannica Encyclopaedia states:

    Its earliest known usage occurs on a map published about AD 1000.[2]”

    As for Geller’s propaganda it is all lies and has no “source” whatsoever. As for India, by all real academic data the overall population of India increased significantly under Muslim (and especially Mughal rule). “One result of the growth in agricultural production was the possibility of population growth. Irfan Habib estimates that over the 200-year period of Mughal rule the population of India increased from 150 million to 200 million.”

  • 8-ball fluke

    pammie has forgot to take her meds again i see

  • corey

    “who is even LISTENING TO HER”
    I think I have a good idea mindy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xvj4Ud-RKrM

  • rob

    “Who is even LISTENING to her????”

    Too many people unfortunately.

  • mindy1

    Who is even LISTENING to her????

  • Fox news

    This is great work. The whole islamophobia machine works based on creating this huge stack of false facts such that the innocent who barely heard about Islam would be deceived into believing these facts as credible while on the other hand these false facts act as tools for the bigots to be obsessed upon without feeling guilty of their bigotry.

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